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VictorII
06-06-2007, 11:09 AM
I noticed that MPSJ conducts very regular house to house checks every month . They say that Dengue cases are the highest in the Subang Jaya area. And each time they go house to house, the officials never fail to issue summonses even if they find One single mosquito larvae in your garden compund. While we are aware that the authorities are concerned over Dengue, no one resident can 100% ensure that larvae does not exist.
The officals look and check into every nook and corner just wanting to find mosquito larvae and issue summons! I think MPSJ is overboard in their actions
and should review their true purpose of inspections. It would be enough to warn house residents and educate them to be careful not to allow mosquito breeding instead of going round issueing summons. It just scares the resdents each time they see MPSJ officals around They are just not neighbour friendly and not welcome.
We do not want dengue nor want to breed mosquitoes.
Can the committee members raise this issue with MPSJ?

orchipalar
06-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Err yes buddy...the enforcement teams are running very regular checks within shops besides houses.

Wonder why...they don't do it as often around public places like schools...n places of worship...etc. etc.

When occupants are responsible for what's within the compound of their properties...what about mosquito larvae found within public compounds...?

Would be appropriate should the residents/rate payers have the rights to issue summons to MPSJ in this case...to demand for actions to get rid of mosquito larvae found in clogged drains...pot holes...n stagnant puddle of rainwater in public places.

n how would they know that those larvae found...are Dengue mosquitoes...can they tell from their naked eyes...?

Is it true that they would issue the summon...eventhough the larvae found are not Dengue...?

sly
06-06-2007, 01:06 PM
...n how would they know that those larvae found...are Dengue mosquitoes...can they tell from their naked eyes...?

Is it true that they would issue the summon...eventhough the larvae found are not Dengue...?


errr orchi, of coz they can, abuthen? its as easy as ABC, just scoop up the lavae and if ur close enough with the correct angle plus slight sunlight...u can see and are pretty damn sure it aedes lavae....

it has this '$' sign near the abdomen :)

orchipalar
06-06-2007, 01:09 PM
Err buddy...arrh...Ok...now Orchi recalls...it's the Aedes mosquitoes.

So...when it is NOT Aedes...MPSJ can still issue summons or not ar?

chsum
06-06-2007, 01:51 PM
err...they see, don't care what larve oso they saman one ;) .
one trick i encounter in the past is a few guys come in, one sneak around ur hse n find water in open area n put in some larve when u not seeing, then call u over to point it out n saman u :eek:

MOYSC
06-06-2007, 03:34 PM
n how would they know that those larvae found...are Dengue mosquitoes...can they tell from their naked eyes...?

Is it true that they would issue the summon...eventhough the larvae found are not Dengue...?

It is NOT possible to visually confirm an Aedes larvae. Confirmation can only be done by a trained personnel under a microscope.

Technically, MPSJ can summon in the presence of any larvae found, owing the fact that in general, mosquitoes are potentially vectors of diseases.

Rightfully, MPSJ must also heavily fine the people dirtying public areas too, as dirty & filthy conditions too can breed all kinds of dangerous microbes & rodents, which are also potential vectors of diseases!

However, see what happened to eatery shops dirtying public area & drains. MPSJ is fully aware but yet they allowed them to continue with their dirty & inconsiderate habits!

See thread discussion entitled "The Other Side of USJ-Scenes you seldom see" at :
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18142

Imagine all the grease & food remnants all washed into the clean water drains, which will eventually flow into retention ponds, rivers, lakes & ground waters. Gosh! isn't this environmental pollution??? Try magnifying the scenario if all shops were allowed to do the same...

Probably, this explains why USJ/Subang has such high rates of dengue incidences??? Aedes likes breeding in stagnant water, especially away fr sunlight. Not necessarily it has to be in clean & clear water (as reported)! :mad:

VictorII
06-06-2007, 04:22 PM
The better way to combat Dengue and Aedes mosquito breeding is by education and advertisement Campaign to create more awareness. No use going around finding opportunities to summon house owners. Frequent fogging and clearing of rubbish and drainage around public places would certainly help Subang Jaya reduce the dengue rate. Why target houses most of which are usually well maintain and clean?
Is it because houses are easy target for MPSJ health inspectors?

kwchang
06-06-2007, 06:55 PM
It is a scientific fact that aedes mosquitoes breed in clean water, especially in the vicinity of houses. Therefore the efforts to check household containers that may be holding clean stagnant water that are very likely breeding places for aedes.

For your information, the investigating officers do not produce the summons on the spot. The larvae are taken for examination and identification before the house owner is charged. The house owner actually get the compound notice in the mail if the lab checks show that it is aedes larvae.

Someone mentioned that the MPSJ officers "plant" larvae to issue compounds to the houseowner. This is a serious allegation. Please give us evidence - do not make up stories or repeat hearsay that you picked up from elsewhere.

By the way, please do not complain about these stringent checks - the officers are just doing their jobs. The strategy they use IS the correct way to fight the spread of dengue fever. This is the standard practice. We should welcome their rounds. Would you prefer to see the enforcement officers having teh-tarik while they should be working? I believe the incidence of dengue fever have gone down in USJ. Did you see any fogging in your neighbourhood the past few months? I certainly haven't.

orchipalar
06-06-2007, 10:16 PM
It is a scientific fact that aedes mosquitoes breed in clean water, especially in the vicinity of houses. Therefore the efforts to check household containers that may be holding clean stagnant water that are very likely breeding places for aedes.

For your information, the investigating officers do not produce the summons on the spot. The larvae are taken for examination and identification before the house owner is charged. The house owner actually get the compound notice in the mail if the lab checks show that it is aedes larvae.

By the way, please do not complain about these stringent checks - the officers are just doing their jobs. The strategy they use IS the correct way to fight the spread of dengue fever. This is the standard practice. We should welcome their rounds. Would you prefer to see the enforcement officers having teh-tarik while they should be working? I believe the incidence of dengue fever have gone down in USJ. Did you see any fogging in your neighbourhood the past few months? I certainly haven't.Err dear Chang...contrary to that...Orchi's commercial property neighbour...was summoned twice last week by MPSJ enforcers...on the spot...for breeding mosquito larvae in the wash room of his shoplot.

BOTH the summons were compoundable at RM150 each...but after some appeal at MPSJ...he ended up paying RM100 for each of the summons.

He is still holding the receipts...just in case.

Besides the regular enforcement checks...Orchi would also prefer that the fogging campaign be carried out on as regular basis as possible...this way...chances are lesser when it comes to the recurrence of Dengue cases in any area.

BUT then again...the real problems of aplenty breeding grounds for Aedes or any sorta blood sucking mosquitoes...are NOT limited to the surrounding within or around the houses or properties...

Because rather...the main culprits are breeding on the ROOF tops along the rainwater gutter of these properties...!!!

Then again...what the heck those MPSJ enforcement officers know...n even if they do know about that...they would have to bring along ladders...for climbing up to the roof tops...to check for those freaking Aedes larvae ler...

PJS
07-06-2007, 10:05 AM
By the way, please do not complain about these stringent checks - the officers are just doing their jobs. The strategy they use IS the correct way to fight the spread of dengue fever. This is the standard practice. We should welcome their rounds. Would you prefer to see the enforcement officers having teh-tarik while they should be working? I believe the incidence of dengue fever have gone down in USJ. Did you see any fogging in your neighbourhood the past few months? I certainly haven't.

I'm dunno about usj, but PJS7,8,910 area sure got a lot of fogging activites going on for the past 2 months, some weeks, they fog almost everyday, morning and dusk. PJS8 & 10 are under MPPJ, not sure if PJS7 & 9 are under MPPJ or MBSJ??

LMei
08-06-2007, 01:11 PM
I remember fogging occurring twice in the same week in PJS9 and this is when I had to go pick up my son from his babysitter after work. So end up we had to stay indoors first before we are able to go home.

chsum
08-06-2007, 01:58 PM
Someone mentioned that the MPSJ officers "plant" larvae to issue compounds to the houseowner. This is a serious allegation. Please give us evidence - do not make up stories or repeat hearsay that you picked up from elsewhere.

err..chang, u r right, i do not ave any proof (it's close to impossible to proof this kind of thing unless u caught them on tape), but do u think it's wise to advice the resident to take precaution by letting one officer in to check ur hse instead of a few running all over ur hse, u can give the reason that u do not want to accuse them of stealing if something go missing :rolleyes:

MOYSC
08-06-2007, 05:18 PM
I remember fogging occurring twice in the same week in PJS9 and this is when I had to go pick up my son from his babysitter after work. So end up we had to stay indoors first before we are able to go home.

Fogging is no longer effective in controlling Aedes mosquitos. It can kill adult mosquitos only on contact and does not kill other life-stages of the mosquito. Besides, mosquitos can eventually build resistance towards the chemical used, especially if wrongly applied (wrong dosage, wrong timing, etc.) thus rendering it ineffective in the future.

Better & safer methods are via biological control. See this easy-to-read & easy-to-understand website :

http://www.solutions-site.org/kids/stories/KScat4_sol78.htm

We can try some at home too!

In Singapore and many other countries, Ovitraps are used (a hand-held equipment that effectively attracts egg-laying female mosquitos). See pix at :

http://app.nea.gov.sg/cms/htdocs/article.asp?pid=2677

Dunno whether any of these methods are employed here and whether our law enforcers are educated sufficiently to understand what they are supposed to do & the impacts on what they hv already done.

My guess is, many don't even know what they are doing... Including the 'visual' checks to confirm Aedes larvae & issuance of summonses. I really hope that people are not paying their summonses blindly! :eek:

MOYSC
08-06-2007, 05:28 PM
It is a scientific fact that aedes mosquitoes breed in clean water, especially in the vicinity of houses. Therefore the efforts to check household containers that may be holding clean stagnant water that are very likely breeding places for aedes.


Aedes likes breeding in stagnant water. They prefer clean than dirty water. However, there were cases of breeding in dirty water which I've read in scientific websites. So, everything is scientifically possible - there's no right or wrong answer in Science.

Roof gutters are the best breeding places for these mosquitoes as mentioned by Orchi. In Singapore, this is a well-known fact - the major contributor to Aedes breeding is the clogged roof gutters.

orchipalar
08-06-2007, 10:49 PM
Roof gutters are the best breeding places for these mosquitoes as mentioned by Orchi. In Singapore, this is a well-known fact - the major contributor to Aedes breeding is the clogged roof gutters.Err buddies...besides clogged roof gutters...which hampers proper rainwater drainage from the roof tops...there are many cases where residents would reconstruct partial portion or entire portion of the roof of their houses...n convert it to permanent concrete type roof...or convert the roof of the car porch...to concrete ones also.

Some even went to the extent of accommodating larger freshwater reservoir tanks...n air conditioning condensers/heat exchangers...on top of the converted concrete roof...

So whenever it rains...or whenever there are leakages from the tanks or discharges from aircond condensers...n stagnant water caused those or by clogged gutter...or poor drainage on the roof...would remain for days or even weeks...

Don't believe ar? Simple...when you can't do it yourself...just get somebody to climb up to rooftops of your own houses...to check for clogged gutters...or stagnant water on top of your reconstructed concrete roof...n around the water reservoir tanks.

Don't believe ar? Simple...

For those that live higher n around clubhouses within the apartment blocks compound...please take a closer look at the rooftops of these structures...very good chances are...one would notice stagnant water puddles every where...even when it has not rained for quite some time.

These are the BEST breeding grounds for mosquitoes...including those freaking deadly Aedes.

Ahem...coming back to MPSJ...Orchi could place a tiny bet of TT...that somebody with a keen eye...might be able to stumble upon...some stagnant water breeding grounds of mosquito larvae...even within the compound the infamous MPSJ complex at USJ 5.