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AllUrban
25-05-2007, 09:42 AM
Another offensive comment from a government minister

This time, the minister of higher education comments that many ignorant young males are falling into the "rape trap" (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/25/nation/17821882&sec=nation)
In other words, they assume that sex is consensual or acceptable...until a police report is lodged.

As if there arent enough problems with sexual crimes in this country...now it is being trivialized....

Bad enough that the ignorance of the males is not being addressed with proper sex education...but once again, someone has found a way to infer blame on the woman...

Shame!

m

tesdniMa
25-05-2007, 09:51 AM
What concerned me more was ::

"He said the matter had reached an alarming stage and school authorities at all levels should be aware of it."


Any figures ?

USJ27Resident
25-05-2007, 02:00 PM
Bad enough that the ignorance of the males is not being addressed with proper sex education...but once again, someone has found a way to infer blame on the woman...

Come to think of it.... why are the MPs so keen on these kind of topics... then inexplicably heading to the "shoe in mouth" senario...

Haven't these so called YBs got better things to do... like discussing or finding ways and means to raise living standards and quality of life in Malaysia.... or to better education standards per se...

Proper sex education you say... recently the Health Ministry had to explain on why they cannot be seen promoting the use of condoms in the fight against the AIDS/HIV scourge... why? because the ulamas(!) will freaked big time... I bet you the same reasonings would happen if the mention of proper sex education is started in schools...

So these YBs would rather go after the defenseless female gender as the scapegoat to pass the blame for getting young men "horny!" :rolleyes: ...

pepsi
25-05-2007, 02:31 PM
Another offensive comment from a government minister

This time, the minister of higher education comments that many ignorant young males are falling into the "rape trap" (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/25/nation/17821882&sec=nation)
In other words, they assume that sex is consensual or acceptable...until a police report is lodged.

As if there arent enough problems with sexual crimes in this country...now it is being trivialized....

Bad enough that the ignorance of the males is not being addressed with proper sex education...but once again, someone has found a way to infer blame on the woman...

Shame!

m
AllUrban, read the news, however I feel it is the headlines of the news which iis misleading or rather a poor choice of words. It should not be "rape trap" as it was consensual .Poor choice of words, as the impression given is that the girl and parents intentionally trap the young boy into having sex with the girl ???

It is true a lot of males are not aware it is RAPE, when they have sex with an underage girl , although it was consensual. Heck, even the females are ignorant, their partners could be charged with statutory rape.
They (girl and boys)should be educated in school, because after they have been "educated", the rest is up to them.
No more excuses about being ignorant.
Whether they can control their raging hormones or whether it's consensual, they take responsibility for their actions, if the parents or the girl reports them. As a parent, they have a right to report it.

bslee
25-05-2007, 02:38 PM
Come to think of it.... why are the MPs so keen on these kind of topics... then inexplicably heading to the "shoe in mouth" senario...


If it has relevance on witnessing the current downward trend of moral values, I think they're entitled to make comments or offer reminders.
The matter at hand is HOW they present their view to the general public that does matter. I could also think its probably noble in its objective, but its a sad phenomenon these people probably are not endowed with the ability to present the facts tactfully, resulting in point blank condemnation by many who see things very differently or misunderstand the message altogether.
As for published figures, its highly probable its conservative and doesn't reflect the truth.
Recalling back the sexist hoo-ha incident at the highest office in the land..its without doubt..certainly moronic!.

AllUrban
25-05-2007, 04:09 PM
AllUrban, read the news, however I feel it is the headlines of the news which iis misleading or rather a poor choice of words. It should not be "rape trap" as it was consensual .Poor choice of words, as the impression given is that the girl and parents intentionally trap the young boy into having sex with the girl ???

It is true a lot of males are not aware it is RAPE, when they have sex with an underage girl , although it was consensual. Heck, even the females are ignorant, their partners could be charged with statutory rape.
They (girl and boys)should be educated in school, because after they have been "educated", the rest is up to them.
No more excuses about being ignorant.
Whether they can control their raging hormones or whether it's consensual, they take responsibility for their actions, if the parents or the girl reports them. As a parent, they have a right to report it.but that's the exact point...no one is telling these men to take responsibility for their actions....in fact, the use of the headline by the newspaper (which also has to account for that headline) just suggests that it's not their fault.....and if the men dont take responsibility then who does?

part of taking responsiblity is to know what you are doing and what risks you are taking....that means knowing about what rape is, what sexual encounters are reasonable, legal, illegal, etc....and you have to know about it before you take chances.

Youre right that there is no way to learn this except through sex and relationship education...all Malaysians need to learn to respect the opposite sex but let's be realistic, the real effort has to be made by Malaysian men.

I think it needs to be emphasized throughout Malaysian society that consensual sex and rape are completely different things...and rape should definitely not be trivialized....which is what I think the headline has done....

Cheers, m

firefox
25-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Sometimes i feel the media makes a mountain out of mole hill .There is so much to report abt the happenings in parliament of public interest that should be reported other then some silly utterences by some MP of no public interest at large..and why are these MPs sidetracking from more important issues that should be addressed.

Why do the press are so keen to highlight these trivial matter and confuse the public, ie on sex, gender issues, rape and so forth..Is it for publicty for the press and the MP concerned? These reporters and MPs are really cheapskate as far as i am concerned.

patrick
25-05-2007, 05:16 PM
Sometimes i feel the media makes a mountain out of mole hill .There is so much to report abt the happenings in parliament of public interest that should be reported other then some silly utterences by some MP of no public interest at large..and why are these MPs sidetracking from more important issues that should be addressed.

Why do the press are so keen to highlight these trivial matter and confuse the public, ie on sex, gender issues, rape and so forth..Is it for publicty for the press and the MP concerned? These reporters and MPs are really cheapskate as far as i am concerned.

Aiyah...why waste your breath? Most of the politicians here just reflect poorly of themselves whenever they open their mouths. Be they ministers, MPs etc. So pathetic..!!! <sigh..!!!!> What is our country coming to? <...sigh!!....> damn it...if my roots were not that deep, I'd probably pack up and go somewhere else.... ;-( So the next best thing we can do is try to make those who are less fortunate that us happy or happier! So...Go out and make someone less fortunate than you happy to day!!

coleslaw
25-05-2007, 05:26 PM
So...Go out and make someone less fortunate than you happy to day!!

ok i'm in q..number 1.. :D

firefox
25-05-2007, 06:24 PM
So...Go out and make someone less fortunate than you happy to day!!

Have a good weekend folks

pepsi
25-05-2007, 08:34 PM
Have a good weekend folks
I can't recall but there was a show about this boy that started a chain reaction by "making someone's day". Anybody knows the title of the show ? :D
Perhaps, by doing something nice (irregardless of race) and passing on the message to do something nice to someone else instead.
Wow, can you imagine if everyone did their part and it might just come come back to us or someone on the other side of the world. :p

USJ27Resident
25-05-2007, 10:26 PM
I can't recall but there was a show about this boy that started a chain reaction by "making someone's day". Anybody knows the title of the show ?

I think it was called "PAY IT FORWARD"...

anyway, this would be an interesting link (http://www.payitforwardmovement.org/) ... if you're interested...

hhtee
27-05-2007, 11:17 AM
Ng: Hold plans on ‘little dragon ladies’
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/27/nation/17857320&sec=nation

isn't the above star article also offensive?

How could Ng assume that Chinese maids wrecking families here? What about the Indonesians, Philipines, Mynmar? Malaysia might as well not have any female maids from ANY COUNTRY in Malaysia as it would wreck families.

Who knows, maybe later she will say, no male maids too because the male maids may court the Malaysian wife.

And maybe she will further say, in future, only metallic robots are allowed to work as maids. Realistic robots like those from Japan should be banned! :rolleyes:

hhtee
27-05-2007, 01:35 PM
isn't what this Ng YY said is similar to what the PAS party leader mentioned many years ago ie "Pretty Women" should not work?

AllUrban
27-05-2007, 06:04 PM
Ng: Hold plans on ‘little dragon ladies’
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/27/nation/17857320&sec=nation

isn't the above star article also offensive?

hey, yeah...know what, methinks we can keep this thread going for years and years :p

Cheers, m

firefox
27-05-2007, 07:19 PM
hey, yeah...know what, methinks we can keep this thread going for years and years :p

Cheers, m


ya maybe till the elections are over :D