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pokemon
11-05-2007, 11:16 PM
Quoted from The NST :

An opposition attempt to refer two backbenchers to the Privileges Committee for disciplinary action failed on a technicality yesterday.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20070511085937/Article/index_html

This is really a very severe insult to all the ladies!!!! :mad:

Sentinel
12-05-2007, 12:51 AM
Quoted from The NST :

An opposition attempt to refer two backbenchers to the Privileges Committee for disciplinary action failed on a technicality yesterday.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20070511085937/Article/index_html

This is really a very severe insult to all the ladies!!!! :mad:

Not just an insult, it only proved what we have all thought about the quality of our Members of Parliament. Childish and immature delinquents! Then again, it was us who voted them in, didn't we?

Raikonen
12-05-2007, 09:49 AM
http://www.malaysiakini.com/frame/eNorLy/Xy0pNS8vPz9RLzs8FAC/fBeM=

Our Parlimentary circus on youtube.

Totally shameful and shows the quality of the BN MPs...Watch this and compare to British parliamentary sessions and one can only shake their head and wondered why we deserve such clowns like the binatang from kinabatangan. The fella should be in an asylum or pasar malam.

:mad:

saml
12-05-2007, 10:15 AM
It is true. You get what you vote for. If you voted for donkeys then you will have donkeys speaking for you in the state assembly or parliament.

Raikonen
12-05-2007, 10:37 AM
I have never voted for BN in my whole life and never would. Would always vote against incompetence, corruption and institutionalised discrimination.

waktu_senja
12-05-2007, 10:39 AM
I like this one :-

Quote :-
" Once again, I would like to thank all smart Malaysians for giving 9x% votes to BN...
Dont blame Monkey, u guys voted him in....dont blame BN, u guys voted them...
Blame who...blame yourself! You deserve all these monkey shows. Enjoy it then! "

pokemon
12-05-2007, 10:40 AM
However, there are not many good candidates during the election for us to choose... It is really a shame!!!

Where are all the capable and sane candidates??? Are they all heading South with millions of paycheck???

KH EE
12-05-2007, 10:52 AM
i remembered during budget day a few years back, the bn so-called cultured parliamentarians shouted "Bai-ee" to karpal singh when he stood up to ask a question.

looks like they are not just sexists, they're racists too! do read the story of jamaludin jarjis using degatory remarks on a fellow m'sian who's of the indian origins - http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=197

if these are the so-called "leaders" of m'sia & they should lead by example, then what's happening in m'sia?

i say give anwar 5 years to lead!

Raikonen
12-05-2007, 10:53 AM
However, there are not many good candidates during the election for us to choose... It is really a shame!!!

Where are all the capable and sane candidates??? Are they all heading South with millions of paycheck???

I would blame the party system. Look at UMNO, would a talented, intellectual survive in a corrupted party system without pandering to the delegation gallery? Look at KJ, Oxfart minted major in PPE which produced so many leaders all around the world. You would expect him to provide a decent leadership potential but what we have is a Ox-Rempit spewing racist thoughts and behaving like a samseng in full view of public. All that to survive in UMNO. Says a lot abt the party.

bslee
12-05-2007, 11:14 AM
Then again, it was us who voted them in, didn't we?

No we didn't.. we're not from the places those flers are representing.
I honestly wonder if the folks from their places see how their representatives work in the highest office of the land.. errrrrr... i think they don't have broadband but narrowband or even bandless.. so can't see what these flers are up to!.

Nevertheless.. as a Malaysian, I'M ASHAMED to see such public display of that kind of mentality and infantilism at its worst..or could it even be worse still, since we only have glimpses of that circus. I sometimes see we were more civilized when during our school days.
Nuff said..I've already set my mind to help reduce that kind of flers representing us in the next GE..thats for sure!.

pepsi
12-05-2007, 11:39 AM
The remarks made by the two MPs and supported by Datuk Ser Nazri as "words were not offensive and that it was a normal play on words" obviously do not know the difference between a witty joke with taste and a distasteful one
They should ask themselves these question before they make an offensive remark which reflects very badly on themselves.
Would they make such a remark if the VIPs or royalty were present ?
Will they accept such remarks made at their wifes' or mother by another person ?
After all, it is a normal play of words and not offensive ?

In addition, if this kind of distasteful remarks are commonly used home, is not necessarily suitable at an official gathering or at work .

To add, it's one thing to make jokes generally and another matter, to specifically mention eg. Batu Gajah when the offensve remark was made.
It is very personal and disrespectful to the person concern.
If "they are ignorant" on such matters, I suggest they apologise and learn from it.

sly
12-05-2007, 11:45 AM
Not just an insult, it only proved what we have all thought about the quality of our Members of Parliament. Childish and immature delinquents! Then again, it was us who voted them in, didn't we?

hello brader sentinel....i didnt vote for them nor my families....but u see, those so called supporters is only in here when there's elections to kiss the buntut...so where's the faithful BN supporters now? give their opinions on this issues la... habuk pun tarak....disgrace......

...BSLee...i'm with u....

pepsi
12-05-2007, 11:56 AM
hello brader sentinel....i didnt vote for them nor my families....but u see, those so called supporters is only in here when there's elections to kiss the buntut...so where's the faithful BN supporters now? give their opinions on this issues la... habuk pun tarak....disgrace......

...BSLee...i'm with u....
Brother, let's get one thing straightlah, this issue is not BN versus Opposition. Those two MPs are BN MPs but not all BN MPs are like that .
Also you think issues like this would matter during the election, even for areas in Jasin and Kinanbatangan ? :D
Be realistic.

Rocky19
12-05-2007, 12:00 PM
this two jokers BN MPs trully are Gemilang type of MPs from BN.Thank you BN. :mad:

sly
12-05-2007, 12:08 PM
Brother, let's get one thing straightlah, this issue is not BN versus Opposition. Those two MPs are BN MPs but not all BN MPs are like that .
Also you think issues like this would matter during the election, even for areas in Jasin and Kinanbatangan ? :D
Be realistic.

ok, but when do we hear something good coming out from them? and they're so rude in parliament....why must they treat oppositions with sucha rude manner? are they gangsters? its not about oppositions but its about umno in whole.....about the way they treat others...

bslee
12-05-2007, 12:13 PM
Be realistic.
Please see the bigger picture for the good of the nation.
In the 1st place, their behaviour..not only once is unbecoming of a competent politician. Its downright idiotic!. play with words is not an excuse. Its a place to address anything relevant in the best interests of the rakyat as direct as possible so its objectives are WELL UNDERSTOOD by ALL concerned!.
It reflects the image of their parent party and that party doesn't seem to own up (I'm thinking it'll never will) despite public outcry.

This is happening in the highest office in the land we're talking about and a 50 year old party thats accountable for them. We don't help put a stop to this..who will?
Enough is enough.. let others a chance to rule.

firefox
12-05-2007, 12:19 PM
Enough is enough.. let others a chance to rule.


Who do you mean..DAP, PAS, Keadlihan, Independent?

pepsi
12-05-2007, 12:24 PM
ok, but when do we hear something good coming out from them? and they're so rude in parliament....why must they treat oppositions with sucha rude manner? are they gangsters? its not about oppositions but its about umno in whole.....about the way they treat others...
If we follow the news diligently, we will notice certain specific MPs (Opposition and BN) that keep getting into 'news" either :
1) for doing their job as appointed.
2) those that keep putting their foot in their mouth for saying the wrong things
3) those that keep giving plenty of lame excuses but the rakyat knows better.
4) corruption
5) etc
Take note of these MPs (irregardless BN or opposition).
Vote them back if they are doing a good job.
Vote them out if they are not.
"Let's be fair.
Our PM, should do this to ensure that those representing BN does not give it a bad name (of course after an investigation) especially since it is the ruling party.
"Kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga "

bslee
12-05-2007, 12:25 PM
Who do you mean..DAP, PAS, Keadlihan, Independent?

I see there can be 2 likely answers to this.
One answer can be these 2 flers are dismissed and replaced with someone else better to do the job. " "Kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga" (as quoted above)

newer
12-05-2007, 12:51 PM
I felt sympathy with the opposition MPs, their percentage is too little in parliament, they were play play by the BN MP in parliament. The parliament looks more like playground. I was taken the first step to change my Daerah Mengundi from my kampung to here. Next GE, we should ensure that the parliament seat more balance between government and opposition.

firefox
12-05-2007, 12:54 PM
Voting in this country as far i can remember is just like any other elections its based on racism not on the calibre of the canditate or party, why go so far just browse our forum.....wishfull thinking and common sense does not prevail in a country like Malaysia..so keep on dreaming folks. Umno and its uncouth MPs and Ministers will still rule this country.

sly
12-05-2007, 01:14 PM
...but what if those that just kept quiet and didn't stand up to defend sexism? if they cant even defend this, do you think they can do anything for the rakyat in BN? are we saying that when ur in a party u have to agree with other member even thought what other did is wrong? are we in a goverment organization or we're in triad? if it's triad then i will just let issue this go coz if ur in the triad, if ur boss rape somebody u have to just keep quiet...thats what righteousness to them...so our BN lady is being righteous? see no evil, hear no evil... (http://mob1900.blogspot.com/)

firefox
12-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Come on, this is not the first time we have heard these sort of sexist remarks in and out of parliment .
Why be shocked, there will be more to come, and they will get away with it as usual. Our MPs are not the honorable learned members of parliment but...... do i need to continue? :D

sirgalahad2010
12-05-2007, 03:52 PM
Breeding tells.......every time! :rolleyes:

bslee
12-05-2007, 04:16 PM
Breeding tells.......every time! :rolleyes:

Nope..I don't entirely agree, but its easily concluded its the main cause.
Its mixing up with people already with bad habits, uncouth or foul nature (include arrogance, aloofness, insolence all in one nice package) later in life that'll influence a person to behave in an unbecoming way. They HAVE been educated (tertiary and religious) much earlier..surely they'll not admit "tadak sekolah punya". Their party is also much to blame for not owning up and check on their contemptuous behaviour. Ye olde days, knights or panglimas could loose their heads at the slightest insolence. Of course today, they're not subjected to penalization but yet, their blatant behavior is inexcusable!...and its not the first time. Other reps cannot tahan seeing this happening will be drawn into it causing pandemonium. Is this what we want to see all the time?. Sorry..its NOT fun and games anymore.

Remember, they're supposed to have exemplary conduct in the highest office of the land and many are watching.
I bet you'd reprimand your child the minute if he/she's verbally insolent.
Its sad we have people of that nature now. This was not evident a few decades ago. Its changed for the worse and there's at least something we can all do to reduce these kind of characters spoiling the nation.

Eastern Citizen
12-05-2007, 05:05 PM
The problem with a democratic system is that along with good calibre people (although I am hard pressed to name any, though I believe that they probably do exist), a lot of moronic......errrrr, morons, get voted in. This is mostly due to the fact that when selecting candidates, competence is less important than divisional popularity. I just wish that parliamentary debates are televised live so that the rakyat can see for themselves the calibre of people that they voted in.

pokemon
12-05-2007, 06:42 PM
The problem with a democratic system is that along with good calibre people (although I am hard pressed to name any, though I believe that they probably do exist), a lot of moronic......errrrr, morons, get voted in. This is mostly due to the fact that when selecting candidates, competence is less important than divisional popularity. I just wish that parliamentary debates are televised live so that the rakyat can see for themselves the calibre of people that they voted in.

Didn't we get to taste the live telecast of the UNMO general meeting on Ass-throw?? I couldn't imagine the weekly parlimentary debates, if any, on the tv would further see more disgracing acts by the Monkey.... :mad:

Bear in mind the World is looking at us for over 50th years old of managing our country...!!!

cool
12-05-2007, 07:03 PM
Cant those two fellas remember that their mother or wife also leaks every month? Why no one in the house esp opposition said that at that point of time?. Just see how they react when the needle is poked right to their skin. I am sure they would be referred to committee.

May be the Oppositions are better and learned members of parliment than the BN. Shame to BN with scores of monkeys with brain size of peanuts!!

wsp
12-05-2007, 07:29 PM
The problem with a democratic system is that along with good calibre people (although I am hard pressed to name any, though I believe that they probably do exist), a lot of moronic......errrrr, morons, get voted in. This is mostly due to the fact that when selecting candidates, competence is less important than divisional popularity. I just wish that parliamentary debates are televised live so that the rakyat can see for themselves the calibre of people that they voted in.

then it should be rated as 18SG, 18SX and 18PL. :D

Rocky19
12-05-2007, 09:28 PM
The problem with a democratic system is that along with good calibre people (although I am hard pressed to name any, though I believe that they probably do exist), a lot of moronic......errrrr, morons, get voted in. This is mostly due to the fact that when selecting candidates, competence is less important than divisional popularity. I just wish that parliamentary debates are televised live so that the rakyat can see for themselves the calibre of people that they voted in.
It will be like watching the 3 stooges, add BN Jerai to the mix but the difference is the 3 stooges are funny and are only acting while our MPs are being themselves. Money politics attracts fleas and what not and we are now seeing them in parliament

the days of good MPs in parliament is over, the best in BN camp is maybe YB Zaid Ibrahim. The rest are yes man or elegantly silent or dungus like these 2 clowns and all makan gaji buta while thinking we rakyat are all dumb.

Simply gorgeous
13-05-2007, 01:09 AM
M amazed with how it was handled. Standing order? V r talking about sexism here! R those in the same party with those 2 "uncivilised" backing them up for the sake of the party or manhood? Oh my god! Wake up! Even my mum is unhappy over this issue. "How could they treat women like this" she said. Yeah mum, i luv u.

USJ27Resident
13-05-2007, 05:22 AM
Didn't we get to taste the live telecast of the UNMO general meeting on Ass-throw?? I couldn't imagine the weekly parlimentary debates, if any, on the tv would further see more disgracing acts by the Monkey.... :mad:

Dude... I've said it before and I will say it again, you WILL NEVER get to see live telecast of parliament sessions because the MPs would not allow it... why, because they wouldn't want to show how STUPID they can be on live TV... BN knows this fact and UMNO too.

Surefire way of losing the next election... for some, at least.. :p

What you get to see are filtered and censored versions that make the Govt look good... the clips where the ones "snores" in the background - all edited!

bobkee
13-05-2007, 08:56 AM
A video of the incident is available here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqnw-q93wyc

saml
13-05-2007, 09:01 AM
Put on a suit and these people think they are respectable people. They should crawl back to whereever they come from. I would be extremely embarassed to have someone like that to be my wakil rakyat. In their culture probably insulting women is a positive trait or a sign of their lack of manliness. Come to think of it they may have a physical defect that they can overcome by putting down women. Heck since there are as many women as there are men voters, they can be voted out just by the women and if they are not, then the women should really look at themselves.forget about party or religious affiliations. If barisan was to be so stupid as to field them, then barisan deserve to lose those seats. If I was their opponent I dont even need to do anything except keep repeating the video at the ceramahs and distributing videos of their speech to any woman i see.

waktu_senja
13-05-2007, 10:39 AM
Only 3 words :-
Miang
Gatal
Sex Maniac

pokemon
13-05-2007, 11:13 AM
Quote from Marina Mahathir's blog :

What on earth is happening? Has crudeness and uncouthness now become the norm? Has Mat Rempitism infected everyone, especially politicians? What possessed the MPs for Jasin and Kinabatangan to stoop this low?

You think their mothers are proud of them?

Happy Mother Day...

waktu_senja
13-05-2007, 12:03 PM
pokemon :-
You think their mothers are proud of them?
No wonder, Incest & Rape case is increasing .......
Happy Mother's Day !

cool
13-05-2007, 12:36 PM
the days of good MPs in parliament is over, the best in BN camp is maybe YB Zaid Ibrahim. The rest are yes man or elegantly silent or dungus like these 2 clowns and all makan gaji buta while thinking we rakyat are all dumb.[/QUOTE]

Ya a lots of rakyat are DUMBS and fence sitting too. See MIC... say nothing on so many issues, except the troubles at the buildings. Some sweets can change the votes. Like kids.. it think so. Those are several terms MPs and got elected few times. :mad:

sinleong
13-05-2007, 02:38 PM
Brother, let's get one thing straightlah, this issue is not BN versus Opposition. Those two MPs are BN MPs but not all BN MPs are like that .
Also you think issues like this would matter during the election, even for areas in Jasin and Kinanbatangan ? :D
Be realistic.

The fact that the BN minister for parliament affairs, nazri aziz and supposed to be independent BN speaker of dewan rakyat ramli ngah talib did not take any action against the offenders shows that BN CONDONES THIS BEHAVIOUR!

And until now, no comments from the leadership. So what do you think?

Rocky19
13-05-2007, 04:37 PM
The fact that the BN minister for parliament affairs, nazri aziz and supposed to be independent BN speaker of dewan rakyat ramli ngah talib did not take any action against the offenders shows that BN CONDONES THIS BEHAVIOUR!
One more reason not to vote for BN. They have become arrogant and with their big majority in parliament, even a wrong becomes right. :rolleyes: Time to write to our MP and tell him that I'm pissed with his BN govt lead by Pak Lah who has not delivered his promises based on the 2004 manifesto...Pak Lah still warming up or still sleeping on the job? :(

waktu_senja
13-05-2007, 05:51 PM
We’d like to wish mothers of Jasin & Kinabatangan MPs, “ A Happy Mother’s Day”.
Please remember, without them both of you won’t exist.
Still want to embarrass & belittle women !!!

firefox
13-05-2007, 06:44 PM
i find it very inappropriate for forumers in wishing mothers day in this uncouth and degrading thread that insults all mothers..why not someone open another thread for wishing our loving mothers.

pepsi
13-05-2007, 08:46 PM
The fact that the BN minister for parliament affairs, nazri aziz and supposed to be independent BN speaker of dewan rakyat ramli ngah talib did not take any action against the offenders shows that BN CONDONES THIS BEHAVIOUR!

And until now, no comments from the leadership. So what do you think?
Sometimes it's difficult to scold a child in public, lest they embarrass the child further. Secondly, it would reflect very badly on the group.The rest are most probably not happy with the remark but felt it is not their place to say anything.
:D
I am quite sure the 2 MPs are getting a ear full, however not publicly, not in the news .
Why publicize it?
How would they benefit by reprimanding their members in public ? :D

p/s Especially when this issue has been taken out of context as a political matter instead of an offensive and disrespectful remark.
Don't politicize every issue, brother.

pokemon
13-05-2007, 09:55 PM
The fact that the BN minister for parliament affairs, nazri aziz and supposed to be independent BN speaker of dewan rakyat ramli ngah talib did not take any action against the offenders shows that BN CONDONES THIS BEHAVIOUR!

And until now, no comments from the leadership. So what do you think?

They should attend the NS with the teens and learn Rukunegara.

sinleong
14-05-2007, 01:20 AM
Sometimes it's difficult to scold a child in public, lest they embarrass the child further. Secondly, it would reflect very badly on the group.The rest are most probably not happy with the remark but felt it is not their place to say anything.
:D
I am quite sure the 2 MPs are getting a ear full, however not publicly, not in the news .
Why publicize it?
How would they benefit by reprimanding their members in public ? :D

p/s Especially when this issue has been taken out of context as a political matter instead of an offensive and disrespectful remark.
Don't politicize every issue, brother.

if your child do this in public n u dont reprimand him, i would take it that u r a poor parent. especially when it is something so serious like this. if the 2 idiots were reprimanded by the BN leadership it will surely get a lot of respect from the people. but so far, the most senior member in cabinet to make a comment about this seems to be defending the 2.

well, you are right that the rest find they r not able to say anything because if anything exists in BN right now is lack of freedom of speech. even BN rep, tan lian hoe got suspended for doing what she thought was right in opposing the PORR in penang and later she had to "repent and apologize". and remember MIC's Sothinathan's spat on the issue of recognition of medical degrees. sorry for going off tangent here a bit to prove this point.

i don't see how this issue is considered to be politicized and why you consider it as such. it is the BN brotherhood who always accuse opposing members of politicking when all they do is just doing their job of exposing wrongs. if they don't say anything, then it is not politicizing... then does it not send a very wrong signal to everyone that such thing is acceptable? then mind you, please ask your mom, sisters and daughters forward so that they can hear what jasin and kinabatangan has to say to them.

waktu_senja
14-05-2007, 02:00 AM
Cute picture - "Monkeys of Parliament" :-
http://crankshafted.blogspot.com/search/label/Fong%20Po%20Kuan

sirgalahad2010
14-05-2007, 08:34 AM
[QUOTE=bslee]Nope..I don't entirely agree, but its easily concluded its the main cause.
Its mixing up with people already with bad habits, uncouth or foul nature (include arrogance, aloofness, insolence all in one nice package) later in life that'll influence a person to behave in an unbecoming way. They HAVE been educated (tertiary and religious) much earlier..surely they'll not admit "tadak sekolah punya". Their party is also much to blame for not owning up and check on their contemptuous behaviour. Ye olde days, knights or panglimas could loose their heads at the slightest insolence. Of course today, they're not subjected to penalization but yet, their blatant behavior is inexcusable!...and its not the first time. Other reps cannot tahan seeing this happening will be drawn into it causing pandemonium. Is this what we want to see all the time?. Sorry..its NOT fun and games anymore.........
QUOTE]

If its not breeding, then how do you account for exceptional Malays like, let' see, Raja Nazrin, Zaid Ibrahim, Marina Mahathir, Azzat Kamaluddin, the late Tun Ismail Ali and the others who toil in the background, away from the limelight?

Like the fiercely-independent Mak Ciks, tudung and all, who toil at 2 or 3 jobs in order to give their kids a shot at a decent education?

Nope, it's breeding and inculcated family values. And it applies equally well to the Indians, Chinese and others.

waktu_senja
14-05-2007, 09:07 AM
Jasin MP Datuk Mohd Said Yusof said :-
What is there to apologise?
"Bocor tiap-tiap bulan (leaks every month, too) did not mean a woman’s period. Who said bocor means menstruation? It could mean urinating ". he added.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/14/nation/17719222&sec=nation

Hello YB,
Why refer : "leak every month" as urinating ?
Do you means : Your mother, wife & daughter urinate "every month", instead of "every day" ?
Comon-lah, be a gentleman and admit your "slip-of-the-tongue". Why mislead the rakyat when you could have easily apologise to save dignity of our August House?

dragonfly
14-05-2007, 09:18 AM
Probably the womenfolks of Jasin and Kinabatangan has been properly 'plugged' and that is why they saw it fit to ridicule Batu Gajah for leaking monthly.

Rocky19
14-05-2007, 09:25 AM
Jasin MP Datuk Mohd Said Yusof said :-
What is there to apologise?
"Bocor tiap-tiap bulan (leaks every month, too) did not mean a woman’s period. Who said bocor means menstruation? It could mean urinating ". he added.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/14/nation/17719222&sec=nation

Stupid fool...this is BN style, they try to dig their way out with all kind of spins and thinking we are all stupid like them.Not man enough to apologise. Buggers came from the same place that bocor every month,maybe they don't know that cos their eyes were closed when they were in the science class, that is if they were in school at all. :rolleyes:

flowi
14-05-2007, 10:19 AM
Stupid fool...this is BN style, they try to dig their way out with all kind of spins and thinking we are all stupid like them.Not man enough to apologise. Buggers came from the same place that bocor every month,maybe they don't know that cos their eyes were closed when they were in the science class, that is if they were in school at all. :rolleyes:

BN's team consist of low class, greedy and "half educated" Kuncu's!!! The Leaders are charismatic but its the team members are the one that is stirring up issues after issues. MP of Jasin is powerful, he will get away with anything ... try to put opposition party in charge during the next election, let's see how these people switch camp and support the opposition leader. My words maybe too strong and offencsive to some but its my personal opinion only. If Pak Lah were to provide a channel whereby the rakyat can voice out to him personally, i would suggest that he sack and jail some of his hardcore kuncu's that was involved in some "proven but hidden" wrong doings and bet you lots of improvement and good will be enjoyed by the rakyat!!

Sentinel
14-05-2007, 11:51 AM
Jasin MP Datuk Mohd Said Yusof said :-
What is there to apologise?
"Bocor tiap-tiap bulan (leaks every month, too) did not mean a woman’s period. Who said bocor means menstruation? It could mean urinating ". he added.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/14/nation/17719222&sec=nation

Hello YB,
Why refer : "leak every month" as urinating ?
Do you means : Your mother, wife & daughter urinate "every month", instead of "every day" ?
Comon-lah, be a gentleman and admit your "slip-of-the-tongue". Why mislead the rakyat when you could have easily apologise to save dignity of our August House?

It is one thing to act stupid, it is another to think the rest are as stupid as him.

This blardy MP from Jasin was the same one as the "close one eye" MP whom Pak Lah should have taken action against! Should have investigated it to the end and jail the bugger! See what happens when you let a monkey out on the free?

I am so convinced that BN need a wake-up call the next election....

bslee
14-05-2007, 12:24 PM
I am so convinced that BN need a wake-up call the next election....

It goes to show the amount of arrogance and insolence of some reps. To be humble and own up even though one MAYBE partially responsible can be a noble gesture and earn more respect.
But NO!..these people think they're always right or mati-mati insist they're the best people to say what's right and everyone else are more or less wrong.
Why play with words if its not the intent to confuse or hit back at their opposition?. If one watches closely, some purposely or continuously INTERRUPT when someone is speaking and it naturally leads to a pandemonium. To me its nothing but an UNCIVILIZED conduct of a meeting in the highest office of the land. Its perhaps THE MAIN REASON why things don't get through or end up being misinterpreted. Instead everyone will argue on the issue of personal behavior and character, the original topic DERAILED entirely. This is not in the best interest of the rakyat isn't it? the media and forums having a field day thereon. Sorry lah..I sometimes see a stark similarity with a Std 1 classroom when teacher ain't around and to each his own. :mad:

They're NOT STUPID..never underestimate them. They would not have gotten to where they are in the 1st place, despite their unbecoming acts of character or behavior. For now, the wake up call has to come from the top brass if they're to maintain the integrity they so call preach to everyone...sadly they ain't doing much. I can only cringe at the thought when their behavior is viewed by foreigners. SHAMEFUL!.

cskok8
14-05-2007, 01:33 PM
I heard on the radio news that PM says ALL BN MPs have been doing a good job since the general elections. Perhaps he should spend more time in Parliament listening to their CRAP :mad:

bslee
14-05-2007, 01:39 PM
I heard on the radio news that PM says ALL BN MPs have been doing a good job since the general elections. Perhaps he should spend more time in Parliament listening to their CRAP :mad:

We should not think PM is unaware or not informed on whats actually going on. I'm assuming he's as usual "elegantly silent" and probably not irked by it all. They're still in power lah..THAT matters most!.

Like MBB lah.. even if a million people close their accounts they'll be still thickskinned as ever.

sly
14-05-2007, 01:55 PM
We should not think PM is unaware or not informed on whats actually going on. I'm assuming he's as usual "elegantly silent" and probably not irked by it all. They're still in power lah..THAT matters most!.

Like MBB lah.. even if a million people close their accounts they'll be still thickskinned as ever.

everyday we have all this issues....and i'm sure our pm received all the cc's to him....another case that he should be well aware is this (http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=229) (racist remark) ...but we wont see any actions taken......usual la...malaysia ma....apa pun boleh....

sly
14-05-2007, 01:58 PM
I heard on the radio news that PM says ALL BN MPs have been doing a good job since the general elections. Perhaps he should spend more time in Parliament listening to their CRAP :mad:

i think he should step down and stay at home surfing...he can learn more there....

jianwei85
14-05-2007, 02:38 PM
search Bocor in YouTube

firefox
14-05-2007, 05:11 PM
Now i am just wondering about this uproar. Frankly i find this very disgusting too but would there also be so much of hue and cry if the woman MP wasnt from DAP but from another party...just curious.

uchangeng
14-05-2007, 07:30 PM
The MP's remarks is equally insulting to his wife(or wives), daughters and even his mother.

It goes to show the standard of UMNO politicians!

Rocky19
15-05-2007, 12:01 AM
http://kickdefella.wordpress.com/

Checkout the close one eye portrait!!! :D

logicman
15-05-2007, 12:24 AM
Folks, the more we see, the more we get frustrated. Action speaks louder than word. Speculation is that GE will be after HRP, get ready for a change.

pokemon
15-05-2007, 08:49 AM
Quoted from The Star

"Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said it was up to Parliament to decide on the action that could be taken against the two MPs.

He said the remarks were not supposed to be taken seriously and that there were certain parties out to make a big deal of the issue."

Even the DPM said the remarks were not supposed to be taken seriously.. What kind of remarks we suppose to take seriously then? :mad:

sirgalahad2010
15-05-2007, 08:53 AM
Ultimate sanction: vote the idiots out!

But if their electorate vote them in, do we question the rakyat's judgement? That is, if the MPs are sexist or racist, then their electorate is also sexist or racist?

That is parliamentary democracy - warts and all.

Raikonen
15-05-2007, 08:55 AM
Quoted from The Star

"Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said it was up to Parliament to decide on the action that could be taken against the two MPs.

He said the remarks were not supposed to be taken seriously and that there were certain parties out to make a big deal of the issue."

Even the DPM said the remarks were not supposed to be taken seriously.. What kind of remarks we suppose to take seriously then? :mad:

Shows a lot of Najib's character, isn it? Not surprised given the many stories of a lecherous man....

KH EE
15-05-2007, 10:12 AM
Ultimate sanction: vote the idiots out!

But if their electorate vote them in, do we question the rakyat's judgement? That is, if the MPs are sexist or racist, then their electorate is also sexist or racist?

That is parliamentary democracy - warts and all.

So all, especially women voters, do vote them out! Also vote out all BN MP's as they too were guilty when they thumped the tables when DAP's motion was turned down.

The qualification of the Speaker of Parliament must be questioned as he has failed in his duty, just like when he failed as the Perak MB!

Why can't a retired judge be appointed as the Speaker instead of a failed politician? :confused: :mad:

Eastern Citizen
15-05-2007, 10:27 AM
So all, especially women voters, do vote them out! Also vote out all BN MP's as they too were guilty when they thumped the tables when DAP's motion was turned down.

Any of the table thumping MPs women? Would be interesting to find out.

Raikonen
15-05-2007, 10:34 AM
From what i read, the BN women MPs were all absent when the motion was tabled. They only make noise few days later to the press. Hypocrites!!! :mad: like ng yen yen and sharizat!!!

waktu_senja
15-05-2007, 10:59 AM
Eastern Citizen :
Any of the table thumping MPs women? Would be interesting to find out.


Raikonen :
From what I read, the BN women MPs were all absent when the motion was tabled.
Haiyah, want to jaga their rice bowl mah ...
They'll kena suspended if support Opposition, no gaji for months.
Support will kena, don't support also will kena (from Rakyat) ......
So to play safe, better duduk diam, diam like ubi.
This is Parliament of Malaysia !!!
50 years of Merdeka
Cheers !

Good Guy
15-05-2007, 02:38 PM
[QUOTE=KH EE]So all, especially women voters, do vote them out! Also vote out all BN MP's as they too were guilty when they thumped the tables when DAP's motion was turned down.

Those who have brains would have done that, but the others just vote for the Party. If BN puts in a Pig in Kitabatangan (is that the constituency?), it will get voted in!!! :D

pokemon
15-05-2007, 03:28 PM
One question here...

Would you accept and forgive them if they apologise for their action?? Do they deserve to get our votes in the coming GE??? Malaysians are always forgetful type ....

bugbear
15-05-2007, 03:40 PM
Ultimate sanction: vote the idiots out!

But if their electorate vote them in, do we question the rakyat's judgement? That is, if the MPs are sexist or racist, then their electorate is also sexist or racist?

That is parliamentary democracy - warts and all.
You know it is nigh on impossible to vote these fellows out since their constituents are in the rural area where the people are more concern about food on their table rather than issues. The only solution is to petition the PM not to select these cads from running in future election. :)

Cloud
15-05-2007, 04:05 PM
Please spread the word!!! And check this out (mob1900.blogspot.com) for some entertaining posters.


The Malaysian Parliament has failed in its duty to the nation and people, in particular Malaysian women. It has shirked its responsibility to redeem itself and punish the two sexist BN MPs who have brought shame and dishonour to Parliament by the use of derogatory, crude, vulgar, sexist and gender-offensive attack on YB Fong Po Kuan (MP for Batu Gajah) and all Malaysian women on Wednesday, 9th May 2007.

Since Parliament is not prepared to do what it should do to redeem its honour and those of Malaysian women and the nation, it is now up to the ordinary Malaysian public to do what Members of Parliament and Ministers have failed to do – by making their condemnation of the sexist conduct of the two BN MPs loud and clear to the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and the country!
In conjunction with the above incident, DAP is organising the following forum entitled:

"Respect Women's Dignity, Towards A 1st World Parliament!"

Date: 17 May 2007 (Thursday)

Time: 7.30pm

Venue: YMCA Hall (No.95, Jalan Padang Belia, Off Jalan Tun Sambanthan, 50470 Kuala Lumpur; Opposite KL SENTRAL Station)

The panel of distinguished speakers include:

1) Ambiga Sreenevasan - Bar Council President

2) Maria Chin Abdullah - Executive Director of Women Development Collective (WDC)

3) Zainah Anwar - Executive Director of Sisters in Islam

4) Azmin Ali – Vice President of PKR

5) Lim Guan Eng - Secretary-General of DAP

6) YB Lim Kit Siang - Parliamentary Opposition Leader

7) YB Teresa Kok Suh Sim - MP for Seputeh

8) YB Fong Po Kuan - MP for Batu Gajah

The forum will be chaired and moderated by Tony Pua, Economic Advisor to Secretary-General of DAP.

All are welcome, admission is free!

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Video 1 - Two Sexist BN MPs - "Batu Gajah MP tiap-tiap bulan pun bocor"

YouTube
URL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqnw-q93wyc

Google Video
URL - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6997905878094867074&hl=en

Video 2 - "Tiap-tiap bulan pun bocor" - Two Sexist BN MPs let off

YouTube (Part 1 & 2)

Part 1
URL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4j2_rCzMzs

Part 2
URL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar7PZzqwenA

Google Video
URL - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3748513550251467465&hl=en

More reports on:

Malaysiakini (English)
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67081

Malaysiakini (Chinese)
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67131

Sinchew Daily
http://www.sinchew.com.my/content.phtml?sec=1&sdate=2007-05-09&artid=200705091621
http://www.sinchew.com.my/content.phtml?sec=1&sdate=2007-05-10&artid=200705101535

sirgalahad2010
15-05-2007, 05:55 PM
You know it is nigh on impossible to vote these fellows out since their constituents are in the rural area where the people are more concern about food on their table rather than issues. The only solution is to petition the PM not to select these cads from running in future election. :)

Exactly right! Welcome to the world of parliamentary democracy where the majority rules!

And why not put the onus on the opposition to field more "electable" candidates instead of indulging in "megaphone" politics?

firefox
15-05-2007, 06:15 PM
Elections must be round the corner campaigning as begun.

Cloud
15-05-2007, 06:40 PM
Someone said "What on earth is happening? Has crudeness and uncouthness now become the norm? Has Mat Rempitism infected everyone, especially politicians? What possessed the MPs for Jasin and Kinabatangan to stoop this low?"


Err.... the three clowns Jasin, Kinabatangan and Jerai are ALWAYS saying things like this... they actually think they're incredibly entertaining in Parliament.

waktu_senja
15-05-2007, 06:59 PM
The people of Kinabatangan and Jasin...I pity you! Deepest condolences to those of you who voted the 2 idiots into power. They are not only not fit to be called 'Yang Berhormat's' ; they deserve to be slapped right across their ugly mugs by the female MP's whom they insulted!
Malaysian Voters - U get what u vote for !
http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/index.php?itemid=4633

Raikonen
15-05-2007, 07:28 PM
Protest held against sexist MPs

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67274

Sharizat..."Dun get emotional...let me handle this...no need to take to the streets"

YB..this has been happening for years...What have u been doing? Bring to Cabinet tomolo? See what happens ya :rolleyes:

Harmony
15-05-2007, 10:23 PM
Those guys are MCPs! Don;t deserve to sit in the Parliament. At the least, they must be suspended until they apologise.

How come no reaction from the Back Benchers' Club? Strange.... :rolleyes:

orchipalar
15-05-2007, 10:35 PM
Err buddies...don't expect much from the so called Parliamentary Backbencher Club members...they need to jaga...their own periok nasi...so to speak.

Having said that...what more can be expected of from a circus?

USJ27Resident
15-05-2007, 11:29 PM
Elections must be round the corner campaigning as begun.

Dude... it has to be true, heard from a friend that schools that are usually polling/voting stations have received notification to prepare/standby the schools dewan or classrooms as polling/voting stations...

If that is not the indication - I don't know what else is...

And please do continue to highlight more of these antics by these so called YBs (Yang Bordeaux!) so that people would remember when they go cast their votes. Tun Mahathir once said "melayu mudah lupa..." I think he had meant to say " malaysians oso cepat lupa" but it slipped his mind - (inadverted forgetfulness kicked in before he could say it too... :p )

Cloud
16-05-2007, 12:50 AM
Voting in this country as far i can remember is just like any other elections its based on racism not on the calibre of the canditate or party, why go so far just browse our forum.....wishfull thinking and common sense does not prevail in a country like Malaysia..so keep on dreaming folks. Umno and its uncouth MPs and Ministers will still rule this country.

You're right. BN will never lose control as they have too much to lose. So what do you suggest we do? Sit back and let them steal my money to go bail out more GLCs? Sit back and let their cronies rip me off by paying 500% to get anything done in this country? Sit back and let them take another RM22 million off us poor taxpayers so someone's relative can go INSPECT Putrajaya's buildings when the sub-standard contractors have not done their job properly???

How much more of this can YOU take? I can't, and many many Malaysians have had enough.

Do you think taxpayers in other more democratic, more civilised countries have to put up with **** like this?

Yes, BN will never lose control of the country BUT why can't we teach BN a lesson? They will never lose their majority number of seats BECAUSE the system is screwed up.

BUT... they will get nervous if the number of popular vote drops for them. In 1999, BN got only 56.5% of votes, while Opposition got 43.5% of votes.

In a fairer electoral system, the Opposition would have gotten a more proportionate 43% of seats, which would have translated into something like 82 seats (out of 193)!

In 2004, BN got 64% of votes, while Oppo got 36%. But BN got 90% of seats... you can start to see how unfair our electoral system truly is...

If you're angry and have had enough of being taken for a fool, then let's teach BN a lesson. If not for the expose and noise made by NGOs and Oppo, do you not think that there will be more wastage and abuse of taxpayers' money in general?

Why not just look at the BIG picture and make the Oppo (whether it's PAS, PKR, DAP, etc) much much stronger so that the Govt will think long and hard about ripping the rakyat off???

I for one would feel very guilty about not doing anything if the situation in Malaysian worsens to the point of no return, when families are being torn apart because of religious bigotry, when my kids can't bring home-cooked food to school because it's not halal, when I'm afraid to go out for fear of being a victim of crime.....

waktu_senja
16-05-2007, 11:55 AM
Yesterday, some 60 people took to the streets to protest the sexist remarks made by two MPs in Parliament.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67274

Why an extremely small crowd when tens of thousand boys, girls, men, women, fathers and mothers are crying foul? Worried about getting wet from FRU's water-cannon? If we're celebrating "Vist Malaysia 2007", CNN, BBC & Reuter could have highlighted this special itinerary to the world. Compare to the thousands turn-out in Jakarta & Manila (for similar protest), KL is no match.

For most Malaysians, "Words talk louder than Action"
CAKAP TAK SERUPA BIKIN !!!

bslee
16-05-2007, 12:04 PM
Isn't it surprising the people from Jasin or Kinabatangan haven't said a thing or they're blurr-blurr macam sotong? Or are they still in backwaters without "narrow"band with only news and papers that the gahmen only wants them to hear the good things.
Anyway..lets see what the cabinet have to say about the whole issue.

flowi
16-05-2007, 12:06 PM
Guess what, our "one eyed jack" MP from Jasin denied he ever pass that remark on the bocor issue!!! Thats BN rep and its culture!! Its in the Star paper today! What a joke it was ... just made my day!! :mad:

waktu_senja
16-05-2007, 06:39 PM
MPs apologise for sexist remarks
"I am very sorry
I apologise to all women
I respect all women
It was a slip of the tongue, blah blah blah " ...., "
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/16/nation/20070516125604&sec=nation

It must be the "Pressure-cooker" that inspired them to apologise.

pokemon
16-05-2007, 07:03 PM
MPs apologise for sexist remarks
"I am very sorry
I apologise to all women
I respect all women
It was a slip of the tongue, blah blah blah " ...., "
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/16/nation/20070516125604&sec=nation

It must be the "Pressure-cooker" that inspired them to apologise.

As I said before, what would we react if they apologised? Shouldn't they be suspended for a period of time for their action?

bslee
16-05-2007, 07:09 PM
Lets hope they and the rest of the gang learn a very valuable lesson from this where politicians are watched closely!. (we have YOUTUBE u know?) This is not a time where one can hide things from the general public, even if they can, it'll come back an bite them back one fine day! For a number of things, Malaysians aren't THAT forgetful!.
Having said all that, there's no guarantee this kind of behavior will not happen again. I'm sure there'll be some cow-sense tongue slipping fler or some loose cannon fler repeating the same mistake in future..just watch!.
Ordinary citizens can be penalized for much lesser offences. See if you utter some vile language to a policeman and see how one can wriggle out of it?.

Rocky19
16-05-2007, 07:24 PM
Guess what, our "one eyed jack" MP from Jasin denied he ever pass that remark on the bocor issue!!! Thats BN rep and its culture!! Its in the Star paper today! What a joke it was ... just made my day!! :mad:
ha ha.If you see it on youtube etc, you can hear that he was the 1st one to say it. Selected memory. Again they think we are fools..even with B&W they deny.BN.. :rolleyes:

Raikonen
16-05-2007, 07:25 PM
No apology la....It is so hard for malaysian BN politicians to say sorry!!! :D

Sexist MPs 'apologise' over remarks

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67295

"When malaysiakini contacted Mohd Said for comment, he denied making any apology.

Why should I apologise? This was a matter raised during debate in Parliament. This is usual," he said.

Bung Mokhtar was quoted in Sin Chew Daily denying issuing any apology.

No need to get apologies from people who obviously do not think they have anything wrong. Wont be a sincere apology anyway.

Just vote opposition...that would hurt the hardest

waktu_senja
16-05-2007, 08:09 PM
After today's Cabinet meeting, DPM said : "Actually, they had no intentions to offend or hurt the feelings of women. They uttered the remarks out of anger towards the Batu Gajah MP,".
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=262260

Nice patch-work indeed!
Btw, any idea whether talk on " Respect Women's Dignity, Towards A 1st World Parliament!" scheduled for tomorrow night is confirmed ?

USJ27Resident
16-05-2007, 08:27 PM
Why should I apologise? This was a matter raised during debate in Parliament. This is usual," he said.
Bung Mokhtar was quoted in Sin Chew Daily denying issuing any apology

This is what you would call a classic case being THICK SKINNED... :mad:

IMHO, these geezers have grown so fat with all their bull and crap, corruption and slip of the tongues... even a snake would look like an angel ! :mad:

Remember when the timber pirate from Jasin was exposed as sending those sms threats and insults to the Melaka customs chief - what happened? The customs chief was summoned to his bosses office and censured for releasing the story to the press... if not the press WHERE ! and to add salt to the injury - not only did the pirate get away with the sms insults, the pirate probably got his seized timber back with N.F.A. from the DPP. :mad: Oh sorry - Malaysians cepat lupa..

These are the people that have gotten so rich that they think that they are above the law... heck - come to think of it - they think that THEY ARE THE LAW! One thing for sure - these people are untouchables, in a sense - why, because they reeked of filth and corruption... :mad:

It is so sick to hear that these so called YBs are always misquoted by the Press... haven't the freaking Press people heard about using a voice recorder when they interview these kind of people!!

Raikonen
16-05-2007, 08:30 PM
After today's Cabinet meeting, DPM said : "Actually, they had no intentions to offend or hurt the feelings of women. They uttered the remarks out of anger towards the Batu Gajah MP,".
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=262260

Nice patch-work indeed!
Btw, any idea whether talk on " Respect Women's Dignity, Towards A 1st World Parliament!" scheduled for tomorrow night is confirmed ?

Of all ppl, Najis to talk about feelings of women... :rolleyes: He has got his own load of women problem from Mongolia

bslee
16-05-2007, 08:47 PM
heheh..those 2 flers are to meet D.Sharizat at her office soon. I can imagine how she's going to reduce them to the size of peanuts.

USJ27Resident
16-05-2007, 09:01 PM
heheh..those 2 flers are to meet D.Sharizat at her office soon. I can imagine how she's going to reduce them to the size of peanuts.

Dun play play with this lady... I have met her personally and when she has the floor , these fellas are DEFINATELY gonna be reduced to the size of THEIR pea(sized)nuts!...

Then again... these fellas ARE as THICK SKINNED as the wild boars that roam in their backyards (constituencies) ... I bet you they will soon make a statement like " WHY SHOULD WE GO SEE SHARIZAT, SIAPA SHARIZAT ?! " :mad: And if that backfires, "errrr.. The Press misquoted us la... " Even the most [I]basi excuses still works with politicians... :rolleyes:

.

Cloud
16-05-2007, 10:30 PM
After today's Cabinet meeting, DPM said : "Actually, they had no intentions to offend or hurt the feelings of women. They uttered the remarks out of anger towards the Batu Gajah MP,".
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=262260

Nice patch-work indeed!
Btw, any idea whether talk on " Respect Women's Dignity, Towards A 1st World Parliament!" scheduled for tomorrow night is confirmed ?

Will you be going? Do bring friends..

waktu_senja
16-05-2007, 10:35 PM
Cloud :
Yes the forum's on
Thanks for the info.
My wife & I will be going there to give support.

KH EE
17-05-2007, 12:32 AM
go to JO's site & see the other sexist remarks made by one-eye jasin & kenabantaiguy plus cohorts jeraiman...

http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/05/how_many_times_the_parliamenta.php

is sharizat going after these other MP's too? :confused: :rolleyes:

KH EE
17-05-2007, 09:01 AM
Was talking to the wifey and, correct me if I'm wrong, all the MP jokers are Muslims, and in Islam, woman are second class, i.e.,

1. Man can have 4 wives but woman can't have 4 husbands.

2. Man can say "talak tiga" but the women can't.

3. The woman must walk, what..., 7-8 steps behind the man.

Based upon this, it's a die-hard habit formed over the years, or since birth, to treat women as the butt of a joke, and be acceptable by the society, that is, the men's society as the women are just... second class!

sirgalahad2010
17-05-2007, 09:57 AM
Nobody seems to have answered the question - why do these bozos keep getting elected?

Are the electorates in their constituencies ill-informed, misinformed or just plain bo chap?

Or, maybe, because a majority secretly subscribe to such views?

Which, if true, says a lot about us Malaysians as a sexist and racist bunch who care only about their immediate comfort and gratification. Why rock the boat when I can get my nasi bungkus, roti canai and teh tarek every day? Leave politics and principles to the others.

Chia Hak Soon
17-05-2007, 11:23 AM
My take ;-

These two animals cannot be tamed and should be release to the wild. They cannot be domestic pets in the house of august. Good luck to the keepers.

Raikonen
17-05-2007, 11:26 AM
This shameful incident what more with the support and applause from their fellow BN MPs somehow reminds me of the bullying incident in UPM, if one recalled. Perhaps a product of our educational system, or rather the lack of it?

sinleong
17-05-2007, 11:38 AM
go to JO's site & see the other sexist remarks made by one-eye jasin & kenabantaiguy plus cohorts jeraiman...

http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/05/how_many_times_the_parliamenta.php

is sharizat going after these other MP's too? :confused: :rolleyes:

they will only go for these MP's if the opposition party and the people make enough noise. look how long it takes to get a reaction from the government benches. then they accuse the opposition of politicizing the issue. if they dont raise the issue, do you think action would be taken?

now i am sure instead of punishing the two and ensuring things like this dont happen again, they are looking at ways to spin the story and damage control.

blues
17-05-2007, 11:40 AM
raikonen,
look back at your language of this issue, you could be worst ???

Raikonen
17-05-2007, 11:52 AM
raikonen,
look back at your language of this issue, you could be worst ???

u referring to? Perhaps i was misquoted or mistypoed...and if u r referring to my disdain for DPM, u are absolutely right. I have none whatsoever for ppl who wants to stick a keris in me.

bslee
17-05-2007, 11:52 AM
if they dont raise the issue, do you think action would be taken?


I'm always thinking its VERY CLEAR to everyone (realizing it is another issue) the current mentality behind it all can be summarized in a 2 lines why this country can never progress to high expectations, amazingly broadcast to everyone we're best of the WORST.

1. Cakap tak serupa bikin.
2. Tak cakap,tak bikin.

KH EE
17-05-2007, 12:12 PM
they will only go for these MP's if the opposition party and the people make enough noise.

yes, look at najib's & nazri's statements where they said it was blown out of proportion & is a small & laughable matter! are these qualities of a good leader? leadership by example?

imagine when, and, if, najib inherits the throne... everything BN ppl do are small matters and are just... jokes. like that bring to cabinet also no good when najib will shoot it down! i pity mca & gerakan & the rest of the component parties - to umno they're just, in the immortal words of Chong kah kiat, mosquito parties in bn... :rolleyes:

bslee
17-05-2007, 12:31 PM
imagine when, and, if,


Its crystal clear having the power to rule the country MEANS EVERYTHING and to do whatever even if blood is spilled,(the waving kris..remember?) for their very existence 1st.. interest of the rakyat comes in 2nd, 3rd or whatever.

Secondly, its only normal they PROTECT and DEFEND against ALL who oppose them...who doesn't anyway. Its up to us whether to believe what they say.
Its just that there's lots of guillible and selfish rakyat insisting on status quo.

KH EE
17-05-2007, 12:52 PM
it's interesting to see whether kenabantaiguy & one-eye jerksin will be punished...

look at the MIC secretary-general, S Sothinathan, who was suspended as a deputy minister for three months & had his salary docked over his remarks at a parliamentary debate on the Crimea State Medical University (CSMU) issue.

if not toeing the coalition's line gets you suspended 3 mths & pay docked, then what do you get for insulting all M'sian women, who forms more than 50percent of the voters?

Say, ten times more? Then it's 30mths out of parliament & out of pay! & looks like their political careers are over as they're liabilities at the moment. Anything less than 6 mths' punishment is a joke... Shahrizat, over to you!

Good Guy
17-05-2007, 01:51 PM
Nobody seems to have answered the question - why do these bozos keep getting elected?

Are the electorates in their constituencies ill-informed, misinformed or just plain bo chap?

Or, maybe, because a majority secretly subscribe to such views?

Which, if true, says a lot about us Malaysians as a sexist and racist bunch who care only about their immediate comfort and gratification. Why rock the boat when I can get my nasi bungkus, roti canai and teh tarek every day? Leave politics and principles to the others.

[QUOTE=KH EE]So all, especially women voters, do vote them out! Also vote out all BN MP's as they too were guilty when they thumped the tables when DAP's motion was turned down.

Those who have brains would have done that, but the others just vote for the Party. If BN puts in a Pig in Kinabatangan (is that the constituency?), it will get voted in!!! :D

sly
17-05-2007, 02:02 PM
[QUOTE=KH EE]So all, especially women voters, do vote them out! Also vote out all BN MP's as they too were guilty when they thumped the tables when DAP's motion was turned down.

Those who have brains would have done that, but the others just vote for the Party. If BN puts in a Pig in Kinabatangan (is that the constituency?), it will get voted in!!! :D

you're right and its OF COZ LA....umno ppl must win....no matter which state and no matter with what ways....doesnt matter if its pig or cow if its umno then it must and will win....

penangkia
17-05-2007, 06:29 PM
Read this one from Patrick Teoh :p
http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/index.php?itemid=4714

Raikonen
17-05-2007, 08:12 PM
Sexist remarks: Fong raps cabinet

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67386

"The cabinet has taken this issue lightly........It is very wrong for the cabinet to view this simply as a women’s issue,”

Nazri reportedly said it was not necessary for the MPs to apologise to Fong as the remarks were made during the parliamentary debates.

“It is regrettable that the BN parliamentary whip and Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak defended the pair after yesterday’s cabinet meeting,” she said."

I wonder what would happen if it was the other way round and Kit Siang said that Rosmah pun bocor tiap tiap bulan?"

patwon
17-05-2007, 08:13 PM
JUST TO SAY THERE ARE SICK MPs AROUND,FORGIVE THEM LAH.BINI SUDAH GADOH.

Jokee
17-05-2007, 08:17 PM
u referring to? Perhaps i was misquoted or mistypoed...and if u r referring to my disdain for DPM, u are absolutely right. I have none whatsoever for ppl who wants to stick a keris in me.
Dont worry, any keris coming towards you I'll use the highest level of 'tai chi' to defend you and push the force back to the attacker. With the power of 'tai chi' nature and KARMA, the attacker will be stabbed by its own keris.
sorry for my language. Just that watching too much news not good for my temper.

Sentinel
17-05-2007, 09:36 PM
"One Must Learn from One's Mistakes"

Since we have voted wrongly the last General Elections and got a bunch of monkeys into parliament, let's remember to correct ourselves in the coming elections. Every vote counts! Let us exercise our right to vote, wisely! :mad:

USJ27Resident
17-05-2007, 09:39 PM
I wonder what would happen if it was the other way round and Kit Siang said that Rosmah pun bocor tiap tiap bulan?"

BN and UMNO might just say LKS talking nonsense because how to bocor when she's having her menopause... probably the reason why she gets her infamous mood swings and tantrums... hormonal swings mah... :p

USJ27Resident
17-05-2007, 09:47 PM
Since we have voted wrongly the last General Elections and got a bunch of monkeys into parliament, let's remember to correct ourselves in the coming elections. Every vote counts! Let us exercise our right to vote, wisely! :mad:

Have anyone read the summary of this new book "May 13"... And if history were to repeat itself, what makes you think BN won't resort to the same dirty tactics their predecessor "Alliance" did after losing the election... eh?

Anyone wants the summarization of the book, please PM me and read for yourself what actually happened... Tun Razak allegedly took control from Tunku after the tragic turn of events... and maybe his son Najib would/can do the same - should Pak Lah lose this election...

Reality check: Do you think the bumiputra malays are gonna sit quiet knowing that evening that BN has provided for the last 37 years is gonna disappear, should PKR or worst, DAP wins the election big time... UMNO will never give in so easily... they are born SORE losers.. :mad:

Raikonen
17-05-2007, 10:23 PM
Have anyone read the summary of this new book "May 13"... And if history were to repeat itself, what makes you think BN won't resort to the same dirty tactics their predecessor "Alliance" did after losing the election... eh?

Anyone wants the summarization of the book, please PM me and read for yourself what actually happened... Tun Razak allegedly took control from Tunku after the tragic turn of events... and maybe his son Najib would/can do the same - should Pak Lah lose this election...

Reality check: Do you think the bumiputra malays are gonna sit quiet knowing that evening that BN has provided for the last 37 years is gonna disappear, should PKR or worst, DAP wins the election big time... UMNO will never give in so easily... they are born SORE losers.. :mad:

that should not deter one from doing the right thing by voting them out. Even if there is a real threat of violence, i would still vote against the govt. 2007 is different from 1969. The UMNO malays have lots to lose compared to then.

USJ27Resident
17-05-2007, 11:39 PM
Have anyone read the summary of this new book "May 13"... And if history were to repeat itself, what makes you think BN won't resort to the same dirty tactics their predecessor "Alliance" did after losing the election... eh?

Guys... the book is banned... therefore... I cannot help you here.. :o

Good Guy
17-05-2007, 11:54 PM
"One Must Learn from One's Mistakes"

Since we have voted wrongly the last General Elections and got a bunch of monkeys into parliament, let's remember to correct ourselves in the coming elections. Every vote counts! Let us exercise our right to vote, wisely! :mad:


Correction!! I am not one of "WE"!! :D

pepsi
18-05-2007, 12:12 AM
After today's Cabinet meeting, DPM said : "Actually, they had no intentions to offend or hurt the feelings of women. They uttered the remarks out of anger towards the Batu Gajah MP,".
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=262260

Nice patch-work indeed!
Btw, any idea whether talk on " Respect Women's Dignity, Towards A 1st World Parliament!" scheduled for tomorrow night is confirmed ?
Uttered the words out of anger towards the Batu gajah MP ?
What were they so angry about ?
Is it because -Siapa yang makan cili, dia yang rasa pedas.
Were they guilty for the leaks ?
Were they accused for being the caused of the leaks ?
Were their names mentioned ?
No reason for them to take it personally,so why should they be so angry.
You dont see other MPs getting steam about it to the point of making such uncouth remarks, specifically mentioning Batu Gajah, that is a very personal attack.
An apology MUST be made to MP Fong personally.
When this happens, it is a "VICTORY"for all women because a lot of women have personally encountered such situations and the culprits get away with it by quoting "it's just a joke" "don't take it to seriously", don't make a big isssue out of it.
This usually puts the women in a dilemma whether there are making a BIG deal about it.
The truth is "NO", because it is happening too often.
So "YES" an apology MUST be made to MP Fong because she was a victim of a sexist remark.

Batu Gajah MP's insult represented all women's case , all those who has personally encounter such situations and the MCPs got away with it.

USJ27Resident
18-05-2007, 12:19 AM
Batu Gajah MP's insult represented all women case , all those who has personally encounter such situations and the MCPs got away with it.

Buddy - like i said in my previous post... all these two monkeys need to do is apologise ( like gentlemen.. ) to make this issue go away but they are either too dense, too stupid or just plain arrogant ( for their own good!) to apologise..

heck.. I hate to think if any one of these MPs were to langgar someone... they would probably get down from their vehicle and blame* the poor innocent victim that it was his/her fault for being on the road in the first place..


*said, in anger !!

Teeque
18-05-2007, 03:18 AM
No need apology. Sack them instead. Do your part here. (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/whymycountry/?e)

Raikonen
18-05-2007, 11:39 AM
Errant MPs apologise over sexist remarks

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67395

Barisan Nasional backbenchers Mohd Said Yusof and Bung Mokthar Radin
apologised over their sexist remarks made in the Parliament last week.

...but defended their words used in the Dewan as necessary to defend the government during debates...tender their apologies, if “women were offended”.

They also did not issue a personal apology to Batu Gajah MP Fong Po Kuan, against whom the sexist remarks were aimed at last week

As expected...recalcitrant MPs...

bslee
18-05-2007, 01:10 PM
OK..apologies done, Sharizat have accepted, perhaps the large group of women who felt offended are expected to simmer down altogether. I think there'll be no more niceyties out of those 2 flers. No point carry on kutuk kutuk..no end lah.

kwchang
18-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Last call for comments ... thread will be closing soon.
Please do not belabour about not apologising to the MP because the remark had been escalated to be a bad remark on ALL women-folk and they have apparently apologised to the ladies. I think that is a big slap on their butts, 2 MCPs having to apologise to women ;)

KH EE
18-05-2007, 01:29 PM
this is sad indeed!

to not toe the coalition line, sothinathan got 3 mths' suspension & his pay docked but to insult all women throughout the universe the 2 McP's only got a slap on the wrist, if you can call it that...

the moral here is that you can hantam women but you CANNOT cross the party line!

what a sad day indeed as these McP's & the BN gahmen are MCP's indeed! :mad:

so women voters, now you know which way to vote as, to the BN gahmen, you're just, thanks to chong kah kiat, mosquitoes...

pepsi
18-05-2007, 01:44 PM
Buddy - like i said in my previous post... all these two monkeys need to do is apologise ( like gentlemen.. ) to make this issue go away but they are either too dense, too stupid or just plain arrogant ( for their own good!) to apologise..


Sorry, I wanted to put in some more remarks but decided against it. Respect KWCHang's wish. Close case

firefox
18-05-2007, 01:49 PM
why are we all reqesting for an apology the damage is already done what else is there.

KH EE
18-05-2007, 01:54 PM
why are we all reqesting for an apology the damage is already done what else is there.

i was rooting for at least 6 mths' suspension with docked pay! :mad:

firefox
18-05-2007, 01:55 PM
i was rooting for at least 6 mths' suspension with docked pay! :mad:

dont dream, this sort wont happen in this country but if it happens then i will vote for BN

KH EE
18-05-2007, 02:13 PM
dont dream, this sort wont happen in this country...

am not dreaming. am talking to all about voting to create a better society...

bslee
18-05-2007, 02:18 PM
i was rooting for at least 6 mths' suspension with docked pay! :mad:

I have a feeling you're going for blood..if given your way.. don't blame your anger..me too!



am not dreaming. am talking to all about voting to create a better society...

Yep..no doubt..but there a couple of specific threads about GE and voting at Warong Politik category..just that mod has programmed the forum NOT to update the latest forum postings on the frontpage. :cool:

KH EE
18-05-2007, 02:31 PM
take a look at what was decided at yesterday's forum:-

http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=245#more-245

1. Six-month suspension as MP.
2. Six-month community service with women groups.
3. Donation of the their entire parliamentary allowance during suspension to women groups.
4. Full apology to Fong Po Kuan and Malaysian women.
5. If no full apology, the six-month suspension and community service to be extended to 12 months.

also,

• Call on the relevant state awarding authorities to strip the two sexist BN MPs of their “Datuk” titles, which had been dishonoured by them.

• Apologies should be tendered by the following who had either supported or condoned the abominable male-chauvinist misconduct of the two BN MPs –

1. Fadilan Yusuf (BN MP – Petrajaya).
2. Idris Haron (BN MP – Tangga Batu).
3. Datuk Shahrir Samad – BN MP – Johor Baru).
4. Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz - Minister in Prime Minister’s Department..
5. Datuk Seri Najib Razak – Deputy Prime Minister.

• Call on all political parties to adopt Code of Conduct requiring gender-sensitivity as a criteria for selection of candidates for Parliamentary and State Assembly elections.

• Gender-sensitisation programme for all MPs – and the inclusion of the subject of “gender-sensitisation of Parliamentarians” as a specific topic in the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) Conference 2008 to be held in Malaysia.

• Gender-sensitisation of Cabinet Ministers.

• Launch of a People’s Parliament movement to spread to all corners of the country the message of the “Respect Women’s Dignity Towards A 1st World Parliament” forum.

kwchang
18-05-2007, 02:33 PM
...there a couple of specific threads about GE and voting at Warong Politik category..just that mod has programmed the forum NOT to update the latest forum postings on the frontpage...
No, it was not intentional.
The front page was designed many years ago and the links were decided on the existing main topics at that time. Since then the number of channels have increased (without Jeff's approval) and thus not included in the frontpage because we have not re-designed the front page.

bslee
18-05-2007, 02:37 PM
take a look at what was decided at yesterday's forum:-
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=245#more-245


The man's out for blood lah.. only that it'll not be granted for peace sake.
Going out for blood every or most of the time is NOT a good thing. Makes one look like a wolf (more like French or Russian revolutionists against the royalists) going for the kill at the slightest excuse.. This kind of mindset cannot earn or winover the rakyat's respect altogether.

Oh well...we don't really have smart or prudent thinking politicians anyway.. works both ways!.

KH EE
18-05-2007, 02:45 PM
The man's out for blood lah..

i beg to differ as i think, given the severity of the situation & the recalcitrany of these 2 MCP's, these are fair indeed.

when are women in m'sia going to get a fair deal? & then there's the fairplay thingy...

bslee
18-05-2007, 05:02 PM
If they can propose this :
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/18/nation/20070518161054&sec=nation

I think these 2 flers should do some community service for penance.

1. Assist baby sitters (ladies who do this full or part time) to baby sit a baby.
2. Help mak-chik2 make kueh in their kampungs..(manual labor to be done, mingle with kampong folk and again learn their good manners)
3. Mow the lawn for kampung folk every other day (outdoor exercise better than golfing)
4. Help out in chores for kampung gatherings, wedding kenduris and whatever function (again, mingle with good honest folks and sweat more..keep slim!)
5. Give good exciting lectures to school children about honesty, integrity, MANNERS, and moral lessons at school classes. EVERY OTHER DAY!.

You think this should be good practices and a norm for all these flers other than seeing their FACES ONLY ON ELECTION CAMPAIGNS?.
I can only think many of these flers are either arm chair generals, think of making money and a life of pleasures compared to the common folk who toil hard with their lives voting them into office!.

Sentinel
18-05-2007, 08:52 PM
Correction!! I am not one of "WE"!! :DGood for you, nither am I one of 'we' but it was merely being polite language instead of finger-pointing. But you totally missed the point.... :D

pepsi
18-05-2007, 09:34 PM
i beg to differ as i think, given the severity of the situation & the recalcitrany of these 2 MCP's, these are fair indeed.

when are women in m'sia going to get a fair deal? & then there's the fairplay thingy...
BS Lee is right . His blog gives me (personally) an impression that LKS has lost it.
He should remain cool and calm, like LKY.
Not good for his blood pressure :cool:

bslee
18-05-2007, 10:22 PM
To prove my point that lesser mortals get into hot soup when "only joking"
News here:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/18/nation/17764137&sec=nation

In case its snubbed out in future:

PENANG: The woman from India who threatened to hijack a Malaysia Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur to Penang told police that she was only joking.

However, Balik Pulau OCPD Supt Mohd Hatta Mohd Zain said the police did not view it as a laughing matter.
--cont----
Supt Mohd Hatta said the outcome of police investigations would be handed over to the Deputy Public Prosecutor who would decide whether to charge the woman.

And we have PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVES yelling offensive phrases in the highest office of the land.. later denying and giving lame excuses..ladies are supposed to laugh it off?... LOPSIDED justice!.

Good Guy
18-05-2007, 11:50 PM
Good for you, nither am I one of 'we' but it was merely being polite language instead of finger-pointing. But you totally missed the point.... :D


Ah soo!! :o :D

mimosa
19-05-2007, 10:05 AM
Read the Star today. They apologised, but really didn't sound like it.

bslee
19-05-2007, 10:13 AM
Read the Star today. They apologised, but really didn't sound like it.

All have been said in the past 10 pages here.

jasonbhlee
19-05-2007, 10:20 AM
The Kinabatangan MP was given a hero's welcome at KK airport. It was mentioned that around 1500 supporters were there to welcome him back. I would called this blind support...........
In the Chinese daily, it was reported that one of the culprit said that he apologised to all women but not to Po Kuan, only is she is a woman.......Can you beat that???

Raikonen
19-05-2007, 10:28 AM
Read the Star today. They apologised, but really didn't sound like it.

"Bung Mokhtar and Mohd Said however maintained that they were merely carrying out their duty as Barisan MPs in defending the Government against “the Opposition’s unfounded claims”.

“Mana ada bocor? Batu Gajah pun bocor tiap-tiap bulan juga. (Where is the leak? The Batu Gajah MP also leaks every month.)”

What crap unfounded claims are these clowns referring to?


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/18/nation/17765383&sec=nation

Samy finds rubbish, debris clogging roof gutter

Meanwhile...Works Minister Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu went up to the rooftop of the building yesterday, he found five to six spots that had leaks.

kwchang
19-05-2007, 10:32 AM
All have been said in the past 10 pages here.
You hit the spot. This thread has outlived the issue. End of thread.