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silver_bird
04-05-2007, 10:58 PM
This evening, I'd plan to share with Forumers of how shall we overcome & cure Erectile Dyfunction. Half-way typing, I was abrupted & blocked by the Administrator stating that this thread is offensive to a 10 yr old kid. I thought we are matured audience and into a new Millinnium to discuss this topic openly. What a disappointment !

coleslaw
04-05-2007, 11:11 PM
how could it be blocked if you are still typing? you have yet to submit it.. :confused:

silver_bird
04-05-2007, 11:16 PM
coleslaw :
How could it be blocked if you are still typing? you have yet to submit it..
Perhap Bro. kwchang could clarify how he blocked the thread even before I could submit it.

kwchang
04-05-2007, 11:35 PM
No blocking was employed - wrong use of word misleads readers to the event.

What happened - I removed the thread. That's what I did.

Please check with Rule 2d.
Keep in mind that children do read this community forum.
Position yourself as a parent and tell me if erectile dysfunction may be discussed openly in this forum. Please keep in mind that such discussions cannot avoid descriptive discussions ... should a 10-year-old read such graphic revelations?

Furthermore, this is not a health forum per se. In fact he posted it to the main forum, not even in the health sub-forum.

Actually, I don't even need to entertain silver_bird's request to clarify my actions.

silver_bird
04-05-2007, 11:39 PM
kwchang :
Actually, I don't even need to entertain silver_bird's request to clarify my actions.
Looks like you have an "Axe to grind" !!!

kaym
05-05-2007, 12:21 AM
Please check with Rule 2d.
Keep in mind that children do read this community forum.Position yourself as a parent and tell me if erectile dysfunction may be discussed openly in this forum. Please keep in mind that such discussions cannot avoid descriptive discussions ... should a 10-year-old read such graphic revelations?

Furthermore, this is not a health forum per se. In fact he posted it to the main forum, not even in the health sub-forum.

Actually, I don't even need to entertain silver_bird's request to clarify my actions.

Mr Chang,

I won't question your authority on this board as you are the administrator. But I have been wondering, since you touch on parenting as I am a parent myself. Is there any difference in parenting when kids (assuming they do read this board) are equally exposed to negativities on issues raised on this board. I may not be an active member on this board, but I do read the topics discussed just to see others opinions. But I almost always see complaints about government, complaints about state authorities, complaints about this person, that person, etc, etc. Is it okay for children to be exposed to members' negativities, only know how to complain, subconsciously teaching the children to cultivate a negative complaint culture and yet Silver bird's opening a thread about erectial dysfuntional is considered not condusive for them to read??

So there.....that's an old lady rambling.

silver_bird
05-05-2007, 12:38 AM
Erectile dysfunction, sometimes called "impotence," is the repeated inability to get or keep ...(admin note - content removed).... How shall we overcome this problem ?
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________

Is the above medical deficiency offensive to a 10 yr old kid ?
Is ED not suitable to be discuss in this Forum ?

kwchang
05-05-2007, 01:08 AM
There are lines that I work on. Silver_bird's posts have crossed the line that I have drawn. In fact his persistence in the last post was a challenge to my rules. I am afraid he has invoked Rule 2h and is thus suspended for a period of time.

I agree with kaym that there are a lot of negativities on the Forum. I cannot stop people from being negative. Furthermore, we have no rule on being negative. I am sorry if anyone equates negative ideas to topics on sex. I don't.

I see the point that kaym is making but the fact is I did not draw a line there. I would love to censor all the negative posts but that would be over-doing things, don't you agree?

By the way, some of you would have read the article in TheStar about the new book "The Secret" that is recently out in the bookshops. I have just started to read it. My opinion is that it isn't a very big "secret" but it is relevant to your comment about negative thoughts. Go read it. I recommend that all our brothers who have negative thoughts about everything around themselves to read that book as well.

Let us get back to life in USJ/SJ .... I just moderate the forum, I am not here to please everyone. Thank you for participating and reading.

vsat
05-05-2007, 01:25 AM
It's just plain inappropriate. I've been in this forum long enough to know that subject is inappropriate.

This negativity vibe is at a new low ( pun intended)

Teeque
05-05-2007, 02:18 AM
perhaps the post can be posted in the health thread instead if we're talking abt relevancy?

yes, rules are rules. but rules are man-made. to progress as a society, rules (or laws for that matter) hv to be reviewed frm time to time for its relevance to fit into a society which is fast changing day by day, especially in this technological and knowledge age. For example, 10 years ago, mention sex education for schools and the lawmakers here just freaked out and said no can do due to topic and descriptive sensitivities. but as we progress, things hv come to a point where we are not able to suppress this issue in schools anymore when research and studies hv shown that it is indeed result-positive even if its in a sensitive context. lets face it, the millineum kids are not as sheltered and naive as ours and our forefathers' generation where now, they hv a greater exposure thru the various mediums easily in reach by our advanced society. this too applies to our award winning forum where we hv to evolve with the times to stay relevant and in touch with this progressive society.

perhaps a viewers warning can be incorporated in sensitive postings in certain sub-threads (eg. health) where inevitably 'sensitive' and explicit words such as sexual organs and descriptive connotations would be used. many websites incorporate this type of warning to contents which may be explicit to some and not to others, escpecially in arts and culture, medical or photography websites. the onus is on the reader to practise self-censorship and apply an open and mature mind to articles read/viewed. our founder, JO, does talk abt this aspect in his recent talks in forums.

so, erectile dysfunction. if posted and read in a medical context, what is so wrong abt that topic? some adults probably encounter this type of problem and would appreciate a discussion of it and probably would gain frm the info discussed.
unless the poster initiated the topic and then advertised a product or service he advocates, then there is reason for removal of posting. otherwise, if informative and of medical reasons, no wrong can be found.

Eastern Citizen
05-05-2007, 02:22 AM
It's just plain inappropriate. I've been in this forum long enough to know that subject is inappropriate.

This negativity vibe is at a new low ( pun intended)

Nothing to do with how long you have been in the forum. There is a time and place for most things and this forum is not the most appropriate stage to discuss the subject in question. Oh well............

Sentinel
06-05-2007, 12:18 AM
Phew.... Silver Bird as a forum member suspended! For a while I was worried it was Silver Bird shares on the Bursa Malaysia main board was suspended, phew! :D

On a more serious note, rules are rules. "Pigi KWChang punya rumah, mestilah ikut dia punya undang-undang. Rumah dia punya, bukan hang yang punya!"

Sentinel
06-05-2007, 12:59 AM
But I almost always see complaints about government, complaints about state authorities, complaints about this person, that person, etc, etc.

I guess that what Bolehlanders love to do especially hiding behind a 'nick' and thought it pretty safe to whack the government of the day.... Having said that kaym, its a community web forum, I guess we can expect more of complaints (against government) than impotent men.... :D

kwchang
06-05-2007, 01:12 AM
Well said Sentinel. :D Thank you for putting it so clearly. :)

kaym
06-05-2007, 07:19 AM
I guess that what Bolehlanders love to do especially hiding behind a 'nick' and thought it pretty safe to whack the government of the day.... Having said that kaym, its a community web forum, I guess we can expect more of complaints (against government) than impotent men.... :D

I know that. It is pretty sad that these are the ones who instill this complaining and blaming cultures to our children, instead of us reading positive constructive intelligent ideas what can be done. Without realizing too there is still a world out there who are worse off than us.

<sigh> A typical Malaysian culture, actually...complain, complain, blame, blame. :rolleyes:

hhtee
06-05-2007, 09:04 AM
Phew.... Silver Bird as a forum member suspended! For a while I was worried it was Silver Bird shares on the Bursa Malaysia main board was suspended, phew! :D

On a more serious note, rules are rules. "Pigi KWChang punya rumah, mestilah ikut dia punya undang-undang. Rumah dia punya, bukan hang yang punya!"

The last sentence is translated as "When in Rome, Do as the Roman Does" :D

It's been a long time since I have seen members with the "Banned" status.
I was surprised it was Silver Bird.

palmdoc
06-05-2007, 11:19 AM
No sex please, we are USJ/Subang Jayans :p

isarahim
06-05-2007, 02:44 PM
A typical Malaysian culture, actually...complain, complain, blame, blame.
Complaining is not at all typical for Malaysian culture. In every democracy this is natural and should be so. Politicians should always be accountable to the people and in our case they're generally not. I'm just surprised that people in our country do not complain with more force when they are repeatedly cheated left and right.

Blaming, however, is unfortunately typical of Malaysian culture, at least since merdeka.

saml
06-05-2007, 02:49 PM
I agee with you my friend. We all have the habit of complaining and when we have the opportunity to do something about it we do not do anything about it. When election comes we invariably end up choosing the same non performing people to look after our interests and when they do not perform we bitch about it. That's all we do

FineTuned
06-05-2007, 04:10 PM
Complaining is not at all typical for Malaysian culture.
Blaming, however, is unfortunately typical of Malaysian culture, at least since merdeka.
I think maybe it's Malaysian to grumble a lot - just making noise, and expect somebody else to take care of the problem.

Anyway, back to the topic - ED is an extremely volatile subject, but silver_bird, are you very sure you are expert enough to overcome & cure ED? If so, you should open a clinic in Subang Jaya ( in a discreet corner, of course). Why give away trade secrets for free?

firefox
06-05-2007, 06:02 PM
Complaining is not at all typical for Malaysian culture

Totally dont agree, just browse through this forum.

coleslaw
06-05-2007, 06:09 PM
to be fair, only a handful who feels the world owes them a living..

aurora97
06-05-2007, 06:12 PM
I think the forum is pretty well managed by KwChang and it has survived to date thank to the rules that are enshrined in this forum (compared to other forums which have ran amok).

Why do we have to go into national debate into free speech, when it is just a simple and clear cut case.

Silver bird is banned.

Do expect self-censorship when your a guest in a forum and the rule of thumb is if you don't like it or if you can run a better forum, please by all means.

just close this topic is really an eye sore. >.<""

sinleong
06-05-2007, 11:53 PM
I guess that what Bolehlanders love to do especially hiding behind a 'nick' and thought it pretty safe to whack the government of the day.... Having said that kaym, its a community web forum, I guess we can expect more of complaints (against government) than impotent men.... :D

hey! don't generalize. my name is Ng sin Leong and my forum nick is sinleong. you see me whacking the government or the authorities without fear or favour. i am not the only one and not everyone here is hiding behind a nick. so please...

i find it distasteful some forumers comments, not just in this thread that many of us just like to whack the government. instead, why don't we just examine WHY? We don't whack for the sake of whacking. it is not my favourite past time but sometimes if you feel so strongly about something and sometimes it affects your life so much, you need to say it out. as long as it finds relevance in this forum, then i don't see why not.

national and local politics affects us as residents of USJ and Subang Jaya.

kwchang
07-05-2007, 02:13 AM
Silver_bird is not banned
He has only been suspended.
However, the Forum engine's suspension system puts the word "banned" under his name. This suspension will be lifted in due course. I had set the suspension duration and it will unlock automatically when the time comes.

However, if silver_bird comes back with guns firing, I will have to execute a real ban. The suspension is meant to allow him time to cool off.

And by the way, this thread is not about complaining about the government of the day. Sentinel started it but you guys just swarmed in like flies whenever someone mentioned "government". ;) :D

isarahim
07-05-2007, 07:48 AM
Totally dont agree, just browse through this forum.
Browsing through this forum will not prove anything. You will have to compare with similar forums in other countries and you will be proven that peoples in other democracies complain just as much as Malaysians. Only difference is that in those countries they change governments.

waktu_senja
07-05-2007, 10:21 AM
Appreciate & thanks to waktu_senja for allowing me to clarify a point.

I'm Silver_bird and I'm a victim of unfair treatment leading to me being banned in this Forum. On 1, May 2007, I attended a 6 hrs Public Seminar organised by "The Society for Anti-Aging & Aesthetic Medicine Malaysia" held in Shangri-la Hotel. Among the topics dicussed included :- What is Anti-Aging, Nutrition & Your Health, Hormone Supplement Therapy in Men, Mental Health of the Elderly, Reverse Aging with Stem Cell, Female Hormones, etc, etc.

Being a responsible citizen of our community, I decided to share what I'd learnt on "Erectile Dyfunction" which most Men in our society might have suffered in silence. Therefore, on 4 May 2007, before or immediately after I posted my Thread, kwchang PM and said the Topic was removed because it offend a 10 yrs old kid.

I posted the same Topic again (without any malice) with the intention to seek viewers opinion of the following questions :-

Is the above medical deficiency offensive to a 10 yr old kid ?
Is ED not suitable to be discuss in this Forum ?

Unfortunately, the Topic was removed and I was unfairly banned from this Forum. I feel that kwchang should be smart enough to differentiate between "Sexual Orientation" (Rule 2d) and "Sexual Problem". What is so shameful & obscene to discuss Sex Problem (such as ED) when our Govt are trying hard to instill Sex Education among Pri & Sec schools including a 10 yrs kid?

The following medical topic 'Gynaecologist" was posted in the Main Forum since 30/10/06 and currently actively being discussed? Similarly, "Why can't Subang Jaya have a public hospital" and "SJMC pre-natal new policy extra new charge for ultrasound, is it true" & "Waiting 2 hours for Hospital KL ambulance" and many more were also allowed.

Why didn't kwchang also advise them or move the above health topics to Health Sub-forum? Why Double-standard? Why discriminate other ppl like me?

I hereby appeal to the Administrator of this Forum not to be "Trigger-happy" and 'Flex ones Muscle" as and when he deem fit to exercise.

To : kaym,
You are a Man of Wisdom. Your words speak volume of Truth, Fairness & Justification,

Thank you
Silver_bird

Raikonen
07-05-2007, 10:39 AM
Silver_bird, it is just a forum. Nothing more. So dun get upset if you get banned for reasons u think are unjust. There are more important things in life than a forum or what the forumers do or say to u. :D

sly
07-05-2007, 10:54 AM
silver bird. why dont u put it in the health thread? i think it will be appropriate there....dont get upset....