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silver_bird
23-04-2007, 08:32 AM
Going abroad? Fill a form first

Millions of Malaysians travel abroad and so the Tourism Ministry wants to know why they go overseas and what do they do there.

Minister Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor said " last year 15 million Malaysian travelled overseas and we want to know why they like to go out of the country. If it is for travelling and tourism purposes, we hope to encourage them to participate in domestic tourism,” So the Ministry has proposed that Malaysians fill in a special form when they leave the country.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/4/23/nation/17519920&sec=nation
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As long as it's not a law yet, we do not think it's necessary to fill in the form. With budget airlines around, overseas vacation is definately cheaper & interesting. Hotels & accomodation in Malaysia are still very expensive. A lot of Taxis still do not use Meter. The next proposal in the pipe-line, asking vehicle owners to fill a form requesting " Why Malaysia are not supporting & buying National car".

birdy
23-04-2007, 09:21 AM
I don't see the need for it... in fact, on one hand, we are talking about protecting the environment, stop chopping down trees... on the other hand, they are creating forms to fill!

In order for them to obtain these information... they can request airlines to capture these data instead of having the people to fill up unnecessary forms. People are going to paperless technology but these politicians think we should go back to 'old age', using more paper and pens!

Choon1980
23-04-2007, 10:24 AM
I don't see the need for it... in fact, on one hand, we are talking about protecting the environment, stop chopping down trees... on the other hand, they are creating forms to fill!

Not only that, didn't someone important say that it was important for our country to cut down red tape?

Unless he was misqouted lar!

penangkia
23-04-2007, 10:47 AM
How many questions are they gonna to ask in that form? :rolleyes: Imagine if you are a frequent traveller.

Another knee jerk idea.

I ain't gonna to fill in no forms unless it becomes law.

Why can't they just get some professionals to do a proper survey ? I don't mind answering some non personal questions if approached.

geordie
23-04-2007, 10:52 AM
Let's say the form is in effect and I put in "going to Australia to view my new property in Perth". Would I then be subjected to another questionaire imposed by the Ministry of Housing as to why I have a property in Oz ??!!!!! :rolleyes:

smoothead
23-04-2007, 12:05 PM
The tourism minister is getting jealous 'cause more people are travelling abroad for their holidays than tourists coming in. Is he hinting that VMY2007 is a flop...?
In the first place, they themselves should be setting good examples by spending their leave in M'sia rather than we always hearing our leaders on holidays overseas.. So watch out now people, they are watching every move we make...next the IRB will be rubbing their hands in glee and will be asking, sooo....makan angin overseas arh ....??!!

Choon1980
23-04-2007, 12:49 PM
The next proposal in the pipe-line, asking vehicle owners to fill a form requesting " Why Malaysia are not supporting & buying National car".

Or even better yet, asking citizens to fill a form to find out why they aren't filling forms when they go overseas.

iml109
23-04-2007, 05:21 PM
If they do implement that I will ask them to clean up our local vacation spots first to ensure I would want to go there.

The last time I had my vacation locally (in Taiping) the forest reserve was filled with garbage to the brim.

How do u expect me to even want to go back there?

They should run a poll or an online survey, publish the website in the mass media and ppl who actually care about providing the infos can log on to submit the reasons WHY they go overseas.

Mine? Shopping is cheaper over there than here. :D

SunwayKid
23-04-2007, 05:43 PM
First, they say a form is required. Now, employ someone to design the form. Then a contract to supply the form is given. Now, we need to employ people to input the form. Oh, we need equipment for that. Another contract. Hold on, we need analyst as well - otherwise data captured no use. If we have operators and analyst, we need a Director-General to manage them.

Exit points - must have people to assist rakyat who don't know how to fill. Someone need to collate these and send to HQ. One more contract. These people need to be supervised -more employees.

Finally, after 1 year of collation, it was found that the gormen can't conclude anything from the data and it cost the taxpayers RM1000 to capture each form. Need to cut down expenditure - gormen decide to discontinue the form filling exercise. All others remain intact. Brilliant and wonderful isn't it - Bolehland truly boleh.

Dr. J George
23-04-2007, 08:14 PM
We released this press statement this morning. :)

Press Release: 23 April 2007

CONSUMER GROUP CLAIMS TOURISM MINISTER’S STATEMENT AN INFRINGEMENT OF PEOPLE’S PRIVACY!

The Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam, Selangor (CASSA) is shocked at the statement by the Tourism Minister in an English tabloid that Malaysians traveling abroad speculated to be around 15 million must now fill a form to cite why they go overseas and what they do there before traveling.

While many nations in this region and the Asia Pacific Zone are moving forward in a proactive manner, removing hurdles that impede or discomfort travelers, taking into cognizance and account public interest, the need for privacy and with a common segregation of what is personal, private and of national interest, Malaysia through the comments of the tourism minister are doing just the opposite!

What is also absurd is that this ‘ministerial statement’ comes without any form of discussions or feedbacks from the civil society or the stakeholders!

By his own statement the minister states that he is interested to know details on traveler’s activities whether for business, pleasure, study, visitation of relatives or other reasons!

Is this not a violation by all international and humane standards of one’s privacy?

Honestly, is it any business of the ministers to know what travellers do while abroad as long as they do not break any laws of the country they visit and bring shame to Malaysia like many of our politically connected companies and their management who are alleged to have done in the recent past in Papua New Guinea, Myanmar, South Africa, India, Indonesia, Vietnam, West Asia and several former states of Russian Republic, to cite a few?

CASSA is not against any ‘feedbacks form’ to receive voluntary feedbacks by all means, which may help the tourism ministry to evaluate how we compare with other nations on the quality of services offered, costs and other comparative observations!

A form that will look objectively at the high costs of local hotel accommodation, the alleged cheating and short selling, the misrepresentation by those involved in the industry on unsuspecting local and foreign tourists!

The Tourism ministry then can shown its sincerity by taking immediate action to right the wrongs and publish them so that those who provide the information will feel their comments were taken seriously through the proactive changes undertaken and punishment meted out to those who cheat tourists!

But, the ministry should refrain from making statements that brings ridicule, questions our intelligence and competence in the global village!

CASSA hopes in future there would be caution, a comprehensive study and discussions with all stakeholders initiated prior to such controversial statements.

Dr Jacob George

President

USJ27Resident
23-04-2007, 08:36 PM
CONSUMER GROUP CLAIMS TOURISM MINISTER’S STATEMENT AN INFRINGEMENT OF PEOPLE’S PRIVACY!

Since when did the authorities ever respected people's privacy... These nincompoops keep coming up with hare-brained rulings in which the PM will then have to step in and "tell" them to stop it...

We've have had JAWI, JAIS,other religious bodies and Mat Skodengs and whatnots infringing people's privacy every other day ~ we even have RELA people barging into people's houses on pretext of searching for illegals... ( which in my opinion, is something the Immigration fellas are suppose to be doing... but NOT ) so in short - what's new? The tourism fellas now wanna know where and WHY we are leaving the country???

Hello.... by filling up forms, the Tourism Ministry has just blasted the Immigration "smart passport" system back to the stone age... STUPID!

Come to think of it ~ isn't this the same so called minister that called female bloggers liars and whatnots... Mebbe he has been sitting on his fat backside for far too long... No wonder VMY'2007 is going down the drain :mad:

Dr. J George
23-04-2007, 08:42 PM
actually you are very right! A classic case of doing things without checking with other organs of the govt machinery!
As we say - "kerja si-bodoh!" :D

orchipalar
23-04-2007, 08:54 PM
Come to think of it ~ isn't this the same so called minister that called female bloggers liars and whatnots... Mebbe he has been sitting on his fat backside for far too long... No wonder VMY'2007 is going down the drain :mad:Err buddies...what do you mean? thought it has been rotting in the sewer for donkey of years since...

Just observe the airports/border crossings/tourist spots/hotel occupancy/shopping malls/restaurants/recreational facility/resorts n KLCC which used to be the tallest NOTHING!...the streets n country roads...look into buses/taxis...n look around you...WHERE ARE THE TOURISTS...!?

kwchang
23-04-2007, 10:46 PM
a small aside ... they announced in the news tonight that they intend to extend the VMY another year !!
Obviously they realised that they were not ready !!

kensu
23-04-2007, 11:32 PM
What's new ?

15 million forms ! how many more trees ?

tsk tsk.. :confused:

cool
23-04-2007, 11:39 PM
Another si kayu giving proposal?. Ask the ministers themselves not to go oversea laaa. How to fill the form ah ?.... errr check swiss bank account?.

Talking about VMY, i came back from oversea and tried to get a cab. After checking the rate of our so called airport limo and kereta sapu, i choose the latter. Why?, its a better car. Check with taxis around the region, even Hanoi's taxis are far better than our limos!!!! Believe it or not, it's true. This is the case of taxi alone, how about others to attract visitors?.

pcyeoh
24-04-2007, 01:36 AM
Our ministers are becoming clowns and I wonder why they are still there drawing allowance and incurring expenses. I don't mean to be racial but do you see that a certain ............... well I better shut my mouth. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find out the reason why people leave a country. And haven't they heard about sample research. Why subject 15 million people to so much hassle and wasting their precious time when a research company (for goodness sake don't appoint ASLI to do the findings) can be engaged to do the research. They should also try to find out why tourists are coming here and also what are our shortfalls so that something is done before no one appear at our doorstep anymore.

penangkia
24-04-2007, 01:45 AM
.....without checking with other organs of the govt machinery! :D

Surely you must have heard the story of body organs fighting who is most qualified to be leader of the MAN...turns out Mr. A-hole was elected.

Thought that was a funny joke...but looks like BN is turning this joke into a fact. :D

bslee
24-04-2007, 01:51 AM
Its really getting on one nerves frequenty hearing such silly proposals that can bring on a multitude of serious implications. Its pointless for me to spit venom everywhere calling them names. Conclusion is downright obvious!.
Better still, they should thank their lucky stars the rakyat here are rather forgetful, sometimes forgiving lot, very tolerant and non-aggressive by nature despite periodic hoo-ha. Imagine if we had the mindset of those hot tempered and nothing else better to do people ganging up to fight civil wars for decades either among themselves or to oust the current government.

hhtee
24-04-2007, 09:13 AM
a small aside ... they announced in the news tonight that they intend to extend the VMY another year !!
Obviously they realised that they were not ready !!

extend it two more years and there still will be no results! :D

I read that the Eye of Malaysia is already dying. We have a very good proverb in Malaysia i.e. Hangat Hangat tahi ayam (hot hot chicken "dump")

All the Official Opening of toilets (see attachment) for what? Waste of money!!!

erictan26
24-04-2007, 10:34 AM
is there any update for the place, i just plaaning to bring my child over there?

hhtee
24-04-2007, 11:23 AM
is there any update for the place, i just plaaning to bring my child over there?

i think you can bring your child there. It's the good opportunity cause less crowded.

9w2wil
24-04-2007, 12:07 PM
VMY 07 is a FLOP! The only success was in 1990 when they did it for the first time. I am working in the tourism industry and the private sector in the industry is just appalled with the so called 'VMY' which is no different than any other normal year.

Singapore does not waste time on any of this. What they need here is a convention bureau managed by a non-government person and trust me, the entire tourism industry will be booming all year long. Meetings, Incentives, Conventions and Exhibitions (MICE) is what is needed here. Once the calendar of events is filled with MICE, foreign spending increases as most of these conference attendees are foreigners. What is the point of building major convention centres like the Putrajaya Convention Centre which is now a white elephant with no events, the PWTC which caters only to the once a year UMNO Assembly? The KLConventionCentre is a semi privately owned centre which needs to bring in their own MICE events to sustain its' existence - what more at least it is managed by a foreigner with experience. We can't discount the fact that we need a person of calibre and experience to make this happen. Forget the mentality of we will be 'jajah' if a foreigner can do the job.

The 'Donald Duck' deputy in the tourism ministry needs to learn manners too when dealing with people. I have encountered him to be arrogant with his approach and the least we need is to have these politicians fulfil their five years of personal gains and not make anything successful. He recently went to countires like Finland and other parts of Europe to promote Malaysia as a golfing destination. Don't they use their common sense before embarking on trips like that where they waste out tax paying monies. 15 hours of travelling to countries like these with no direct flight connectivity to KUL, they might as well play with the penguins in the artics than to swing their clubs here.
'Donald Duck' should fill up the newly created forms which they are designing and state reason of travel as "keluar negara makan angin, belanja duit cukai"

Let's "Visit Amazing Thailand" and "Surprising Singapore"

bslee
24-04-2007, 12:34 PM
As usual lah.. another harebrained suggestion/proposal!.. Truly in the Malaysia Boleh spirit..as it can only happen here!.
If there's any truth that VMY2007 is sinking, Plan A to Plan B.. revenue from rakyat lah..who else?. Inch up slowly to piss off rakyat with all sort of obstacles or deterrants.
WHY DO YOU THINK THE Malaysian PASSPORT is now RM300?.. IT WAS RAISED to curb overseas trips and currency outflow! Is this the kind of government we all voted into office?. As I've mentioned somewhere else..they do things mostly WITHOUT due consultation.. They think and decide what's right (many instances of somewhat PUNITIVE MEASURES or by LAW) for the rakyat..REGARDLESS!. If ever we get aggressive..FRU, Police, ISA..etc etc.. THAT'S MALAYSIA!..

Rocky19
24-04-2007, 05:06 PM
we can always lie on the forms and this minister calls people liars..well he is so honest,so just tell a lie when you fill in the form.

This is all like what Sunway kid said, it is time to make some money. Maybe they will implement exit tax for Msian leaving overseas. Off course ministers and family will be exempted.

VMY07 is failure cos the minister leading it has no clue what to do and his statements discourage peoplenotto come to Malaysia. The bugger should be more keen to know what the tourist wand etc but he wants to know why we are going overseas. Finding a scapegoat for is bloody failure I guess. Well isn't his name in the Gerbang Perdana sharholders. If true, wow lots of money on the way.

Eastern Citizen
24-04-2007, 05:31 PM
we can always lie on the forms and this minister calls people liars..well he is so honest,so just tell a lie when you fill in the form.

This is all like what Sunway kid said, it is time to make some money. Maybe they will implement exit tax for Msian leaving overseas. Off course ministers and family will be exempted.

VMY07 is failure cos the minister leading it has no clue what to do and his statements discourage peoplenotto come to Malaysia. The bugger should be more keen to know what the tourist wand etc but he wants to know why we are going overseas. Finding a scapegoat for is bloody failure I guess. Well isn't his name in the Gerbang Perdana sharholders. If true, wow lots of money on the way.
This is one of the weaknesses of a democratically elected government. We will get citizens of Moronia being elected to Parliament and having enough clout within the party to warrant being appointed a minister/deputy/parliamentary sec/etc

SunwayKid
24-04-2007, 06:04 PM
........... We will get citizens of Moronia being elected to Parliament and having enough clout within the party to warrant being appointed a minister/deputy/parliamentary sec/etc

Nor moronic but quite ingenious to come up with such a form, for one with such a disdain of women bloggers. Do you remember a time when Semi Value has real hair on his head and tolls were unheard of. Well, some one came up up with the idea to whack the rakyat kau kau with tolls and everyone should realize now who actually benefit. (If you still are doubtful, I really can't help you.)

Yes, they will tell you that there are alternative routes initially but can you tell that to Puchong residents how to be neighbourly and go next door to Subang (not that USJ residents really welcome them with open arms :p) toll-free, except maybe by catapulting themselves.

Getting to my point, there is a "reason" for everything that these self-elected Ministers do. The question is - do you and I, as the rakyat, benefit from such an act?

Eastern Citizen
24-04-2007, 06:27 PM
No??? Really?? Real hair, you say...........
But seriously, you're right in that everyone seems to be doing stuff for personal financial gain. Many years ago, a person I knew at college once told me that as soon as he could, he was going to join one of the parties. I asked him somewhat naively, "What, you want to serve the rakyat?" he replied, "xxxx the rakyat. It's the only way to make the big bucks." Have since lost touch with him though......... damn, could've been a crony.

USJ27Resident
24-04-2007, 10:08 PM
What's new ?

15 million forms ! how many more trees ?

tsk tsk.. :confused:

And some bright spark have finally realised that 15 million Malaysians heading out of the country ( for whatever reason.. ) is an excuse to raise revenue...

If you download an application form from the Immigration website - it is free... pick up one from their office and you PAY RM1 for a form that you would need to fill up and then PAY another RM300 to get a passport...

Now imagine 15 million x RM10 per freaking form or exit tax... thats more than enough to even cover the recently scrapped entry tax for vehicles from Singapore and Thailand...

sirgalahad2010
25-04-2007, 08:31 AM
a small aside ... they announced in the news tonight that they intend to extend the VMY another year !!
Obviously they realised that they were not ready !!

Actually, Mr Chang, you hit the nail on the head.

VMY 2007 got off to a slow start. In the first two months of 2007, Msia failed to hit its monthly target of 1.675 million visitors. In January - 830,700 visitors. In February - 810,759 visitors.

Total target for VMY 2007: 20.1 million visitors.

Of these, 10 million are expected to be Singaporean visitors.

Singaporeans make up about 60% of tourist arrivals in Msia. About 114,000 vehicles enter Msia from Spore daily, of which 40,000 are estimated to Spore-registered cars.

(source: Spore Straits Times (http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg) front page report today "To woo S'poreans, KL postpones levy on foreign vehicles").

See - u can't afford to p**s off the "little red dot"! Dr M - are u listening?
:rolleyes:

birdy
25-04-2007, 08:38 AM
Why is this thread supposing to talk about filling form for going abroad became discussion on VMY 2007?? I see these two has no relation.

sirgalahad2010
25-04-2007, 08:44 AM
Why is this thread supposing to talk about filling form for going abroad became discussion on VMY 2007?? I see these two has no relation.

For people to vent their frustration?

Or to puncture the views expressed by the Transport Minister?

hhtee
25-04-2007, 09:01 AM
Why is this thread supposing to talk about filling form for going abroad became discussion on VMY 2007?? I see these two has no relation.

I think our GOMEN expected us Malaysians to visit and holiday and tour in Malaysia (Cuti-cuti Malaysia, etc.) But however, after statistics have revealed that many Malaysians are going abroad, they realised that something (or maybe everything) is lacking in Malaysia. So they decided to ask Malaysians to fill in application forms when they leave Malaysia.

birdy
25-04-2007, 09:17 AM
Just wonder how accurate the info they can collect from people filling up the forms? People may just state holiday when he is actually going abroad for business trip and vice versa. So, do you think that this will help their analysis? What a childish idea our Ministry has.... . :o

Dr. J George
25-04-2007, 10:41 AM
the issue is the filling of forms - a made in Malaysia saga! :rolleyes:

Yes, for every problem Malaysians are told to fill forms which makes the contracter given the tender an instant millionaire but whether these forms will provide vital data is a good question altogether.

And this comes at a time when the government is going gah gah over all things paperless?

But even more vital is, as I pointed out in Malay Mail yesterday - the rationale of indulging in one's privacy - where we go, why we go, who we meet, how much we spend, where we stay, how often we go - is this the Minister of Tourism right to know?

As I stated quite publicly yesterday and over TV - it is none of Tengku Adnan's business - period!

Civil servants are expected to do this and there is a rationale behind that (standing orders) and we will not go into that now but to expect private citizens to is certainly unnecessary and basically none of the minister's business - period!

But, it may be difficult act to follow for people who know nothing of the right and need to privacy or of private citizens rights! ;)

smoothead
25-04-2007, 11:48 AM
[QUOTE=Dr. J George]

But even more vital is, as I pointed out in Malay Mail yesterday - the rationale of indulging in one's privacy - where we go, why we go, who we meet, how much we spend, where we stay, how often we go - is this the Minister of Tourism right to know?

As I stated quite publicly yesterday and over TV - it is none of Tengku Adnan's business - period!

Civil servants are expected to do this and there is a rationale behind that (standing orders) and we will not go into that now but to expect private citizens to is certainly unnecessary and basically none of the minister's business - period!

You are absolutely right, Dr.Jacob...they have no right to know our intentions for going overseas, but, we, the rakyat have every right to know THEIR intentions, because, they are the servants of the rakyat, and every sen they spend on their official duties, (at the same time, since we're here already, might as well enjoy a bit lah), are the tax payers monies, so they have to be accountable for their actions whenever they travel, whether locally or overseas on so-called lawatan sambil belajar types.

So the tourism minister..., will he incur the wrath of other ministers who are now thinking, bloody fool, now we all have to fill up the form for the rakyat to scrutinise....sh*t...!!!

hhtee
25-04-2007, 12:14 PM
yes. they have no right to infringe into people's private affairs.

but of course there are some good surveys. for instance, to survey how one feels the service of the airlines, etc.

but PLEASE don't do a FORCED survey.

even in the good surveys I mentioned above, the person reserves the right not to respond.

the tactic of making all malaysians to fill in some form when they leave malaysia is absurb and it looks like a FORCED survey.

no one likes to be forced

Dr. J George
25-04-2007, 12:18 PM
I am advised that his comments had upset many senior Ministers and politicians and Senior Civil Servants as this was not brought up at Cabinet
and they have also received many calls from irritated people from their respective "kawasans".

At least, five have called me after reading the Malay Mail report yesterday stating that they are rather pleased that people are telling 'TA' to "Shut Up!"

This is the problem when ministers make comments or policy statements which has its implications to the raayat without thinking thru'!

Bet you get my drift! ;)

KH EE
25-04-2007, 02:26 PM
can i just tick:-

1. none of the above; or

2. others; or

3. MYOB?

OR just provide half truths?

smoothead
25-04-2007, 04:59 PM
Now, I can bet TA will say he was misquoted and the whole thing was taken out of context...that's SOP lah when cornered! Let's see how he gets out of this hare brained idea, and see if he runs with tail between his legs! What was the other one he started...women bloggers are liars...?
Sheeeezz...with 2 foot already in the mouth, how ah...?

birdy
25-04-2007, 09:13 PM
Now, I can bet TA will say he was misquoted and the whole thing was taken out of context...that's SOP lah when cornered! Let's see how he gets out of this hare brained idea, and see if he runs with tail between his legs! What was the other one he started...women bloggers are liars...?
Sheeeezz...with 2 foot already in the mouth, how ah...?
He will let the issue fade off slowly ........ as though nothing has been brought up.

cool
25-04-2007, 11:50 PM
Can someone SMS or email him, asking him to read all the comments here. I bet he had lost his balls in toilet and dare not join the forum. BTW, the tengku title automatically made him a minister?, then a great shame to boleh land. Chicken brain indeed.