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badaveil
16-04-2007, 09:18 AM
With reference to Muhammad Nazrin Shamsul Ghazali or Yin, I still vividly recall Noor Shida Nur Islam (her photo seen in the newspaper yesterday) who reported the boy to the police because some time ago when I was at Secret Recipe, Subang Parade she approached me for donation. About half an hour later on my way to Parkson, she approached mer again asking for donation and I told her off saying I already did so when she met me earlier. She was so embarrassed she ran away. :mad:

tbearer
16-04-2007, 04:17 PM
I am just so glad that Yin is safe and sound.

There were so many rumours going around that he was bound for Thailand, with hands and legs chopped off.

pepsi
16-04-2007, 04:33 PM
I don't know whether to feel angry with the myanmar couple or to be sorry for them. They are obviously, very poor with five children to feed. The reward money could have been a life saver. We don't know whether they kidnapped or found the kid. The child obviously unable to tell what happened. It is also a possibility they did not read or see the news abt the missing child. Do they even have a TV or read the papers ?Whatever it is, the child is unharmed. If no reward money, can they contribute food and clothing instead ?

tesdniMa
16-04-2007, 08:51 PM
What would have happened to 5-year-old Muhammad Nazrin Shamsul Ghazali if there had not been extensive media coverage over his disappearance? This is the question posed by Women, Family and Community Development Minister Datuk Seri Shahrizat Abdul Jalil when she visited Nazrin, fondly known as Yin, at the Kuala Lumpur Hospital yesterday.

"Malaysia is a developing country with modern facilities and amenities.

"How is it possible to have a child missing for two weeks?" she asked.

http://www.nst.com.my/Article/vArt?did=20070416072312



Just shows how far removed from reality, some ministers are.

umadavid
16-04-2007, 11:59 PM
The bottom line is, it is very wrong to take any child who is not your own and keep him/her. Any normal person would have handed the child over to the nearest police station. The fact that they had the boy's head shaven itself is an indication that they wanted to hide his identity.

Today, I saw WHI on TV and the police are saying that they are going to investigate the couple to see if the other five children with them are indeed theirs or not. Apparently they are under custody for further questioning after their claims for shaving Yin's hair (that he had chicken pox) was proven not true.

pcyeoh
17-04-2007, 12:19 AM
With reference to Muhammad Nazrin Shamsul Ghazali or Yin, I still vividly recall Noor Shida Nur Islam (her photo seen in the newspaper yesterday) who reported the boy to the police because some time ago when I was at Secret Recipe, Subang Parade she approached me for donation. About half an hour later on my way to Parkson, she approached mer again asking for donation and I told her off saying I already did so when she met me earlier. She was so embarrassed she ran away. :mad:
And people such as bedaveil should go to the police and made the statement he/she has made here to the police. The police in order to build a strong case against this Myanmar needs information and witnesses like bedaveil. In fact they are asking people with information to come forward. I never believe a word what the couple have to say. Sensational news are heard everywhere even among our illegal immigrants. There is a colony of Myanmar people operating stalls in the Sin Kong Coffee shop. How can that be? The recent murder of a Myanmar child of a family who is supposed to take up a posting in the US surface a question "Why would one wants to murder a innocent child of a migrant by cutting off both her hands unless the murderer has something in mind?

tbearer
17-04-2007, 09:04 AM
i think most KL folks, especially the ones staying in high rise buildings are just so busy with their daily lives that they dont really know the on-goings of their neighbours. not that they dont want to know, they work long hours and thus, dont have opportunity to notice the neighbours daily activities.

so for people like the couple, staying in such a rundown hut, they are surrounded by people who dont really care the neighbours ongoings. as long as there is food on the table. such group of people are alreading fighting to make ends meet, how to care about the neighbours?

umadavid
17-04-2007, 09:32 AM
i think most KL folks, especially the ones staying in high rise buildings are just so busy with their daily lives that they dont really know the on-goings of their neighbours. not that they dont want to know, they work long hours and thus, dont have opportunity to notice the neighbours daily activities.

so for people like the couple, staying in such a rundown hut, they are surrounded by people who dont really care the neighbours ongoings. as long as there is food on the table. such group of people are alreading fighting to make ends meet, how to care about the neighbours?

tbearer, what are you trying to say :confused: Pls. clarify yr statement.

From what i have read and observed, it is people who live in squatter areas who really know who their neighbours are and rally to help each other...what do you mean that they are too worried about food to care about their fellow neighbours. like...they don't work long hours?

People will have to want to make a difference. They must take the trouble to know their neighbours. Some in USJ neighbourhoods, I am proud to say have made a difference in their lives and community by getting to know their neighbours and by having formed committees to take care of their neighbourhood. It feels like kampung days are here again :D It is also like joining forums like this one that makes a difference in our lives. It takes committment but then it is worth your while in the end so that you can live like one big family.

pepsi
18-04-2007, 01:50 AM
I know of some neighborhoods that chat or argue online but never come out to physically meet each other. :D The irony of it.

patrick
18-04-2007, 05:49 AM
My theory right from the start when I saw Yin shaven is this.

The Myanmar couple took the opportunity to keep Yin hoping he could help work for them. In order that the boy wont be recognised, they shaved him. Then they started to try train him to beg or whatever. Along the way, they found this difficult as Yin had slow learning capacity. After about 2 weeks trying, and with the heat of much publicity, and the greed for the reward, they decided to return him.

I think they are in deep trouble. I wont be surprised if some of their other children are not really their own either.

birdy
18-04-2007, 05:56 AM
That's what most of the people would think of since the boy was shaved bald but is this really the case? Has the investigation completed? This case may really discourage people to be kind hearted. :o

silver_bird
18-04-2007, 07:21 AM
Yin's father was shocked to discover skin of both Yin's legs & hands were peeled-off.
Proof of kidnapping him to be a Beggar ?

" Shamsul Ghazali Shamsuddin, 34, terkejut apabila mendapati kedua-dua kaki dan tangan anak sulungnya, Muhammad Nazrin atau Yin, 5, mengelupas seolah-olah ada sesuatu yang tidak kena semasa dia dijaga oleh pasangan Myanmar dalam tempoh dua minggu lalu "

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/archive.asp?y=2007&dt=0416&pub=utusan_malaysia&sec=muka%5Fhadapan&pg=mh_02.htm&arc=hive

tbearer
18-04-2007, 12:51 PM
tbearer, what are you trying to say :confused: Pls. clarify yr statement.

From what i have read and observed, it is people who live in squatter areas who really know who their neighbours are and rally to help each other...what do you mean that they are too worried about food to care about their fellow neighbours. like...they don't work long hours?

People will have to want to make a difference. They must take the trouble to know their neighbours. Some in USJ neighbourhoods, I am proud to say have made a difference in their lives and community by getting to know their neighbours and by having formed committees to take care of their neighbourhood. It feels like kampung days are here again :D It is also like joining forums like this one that makes a difference in our lives. It takes committment but then it is worth your while in the end so that you can live like one big family.

all i am saying is, it is very intriguing why the couple's neighbour didnt notice Yin. altho the couple has 5 other children, suddenly, an additional child shaved bald, and no neighbour noticed. guess the ppl in the area are too busy making ends meet.

i agree that in many neighbourhood, like usj and BU, just to name a few, the residents are very close knitted. but residents in highrise buildings are not so. i can testify that. i stay in one. i smile at my neighbours, but they look at me as though i'm from another planet. so what's the point? i just go on with my own business...however, in my parents' house, which is a landed property, the neighbours there are close knitted. guess depends on the location lar...

sinleong
18-04-2007, 01:30 PM
how can you say usj is close knitted. not at all la...
sometimes got party also never invite. not that we want to attend their parties but i also have a case when i ran to a neighbour telling her my house just been robbed, please call the police. she immediately closed the curtain, locked the door. but she did call the police.
often than not, we have problems with our neighbours parking outside our houses and blocking the driveway. although the space in front of theirs is vacant!
so i think usj people are a bunch of selfish...

umadavid
18-04-2007, 02:58 PM
I see that recently some usjian have realised that they are selfish and not shy to announce it...if we go along the lines of "it takes one to know another"

umadavid
18-04-2007, 03:12 PM
Like I said before, it takes commitment to build a close knit community. Just like any big family you will have your disagreements but you always work together for the betterment of your community...one step at a time. First step is always to get to know your immediate neighbours and do exchange phone numbers. You never know when an emergency might rear its ugly head and that phone number may be your saving grace.

pepsi
20-04-2007, 08:18 PM
all i am saying is, it is very intriguing why the couple's neighbour didnt notice Yin. altho the couple has 5 other children, suddenly, an additional child shaved bald, and no neighbour noticed. guess the ppl in the area are too busy making ends meet.

i agree that in many neighbourhood, like usj and BU, just to name a few, the residents are very close knitted. but residents in highrise buildings are not so. i can testify that. i stay in one. i smile at my neighbours, but they look at me as though i'm from another planet. so what's the point? i just go on with my own business...however, in my parents' house, which is a landed property, the neighbours there are close knitted. guess depends on the location lar...
Mine is the opposite.
I guess it depends on the type of housing area or high rise building. Meaning high class, middle class or low class .Better word for it, high income, middle income or low income resident :D

pepsi
20-04-2007, 08:30 PM
Todays's news, the Myanmar couple were released and all the five kids are their own. The blisters were checked and it was found to be some kind of skin infection , perhaps due to the poor living conditions. Let's say, perhaps they shaved his head because they really thought he had an infection causing it to itch, perhaps. Well, we will never know but take heart that if what they did was innocent, it's sad that they should be penalise and branded guilty. It's possible the lady could be begging. Not surprising, if you are poor with 5 mouths to feed. I say, if we do not give the reward money( just in case they are guilty) we should give other types of help like clothes, food, any basic necessity. We can't go wrong from there to show some charity, hopefully there are touch and would not resort to "kidnapping".I am sure they can't be doing the same criminal act twice. That is if they are guilty but we would encourage that they continue to be kind hearted if they are innocent . :o