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orchipalar
01-04-2007, 12:06 AM
Err...there are about 400 Proton auto dealers in the country...about half of them may have to close shop...or gulung tikar...so to speak.

Each dealer would need to sell upto 35 units of new Proton vehicles per month...in order to break even to stay in bizness...

But most of them could hardly sell 10 or 15 units per month now for freaking obvious reasons...n many of these dealers may have to close shop real soon...to avoid suffering further losses in the bizness...

For the life of Orchi...they all can close shop for all Orchi cares...n in fact Proton better close shop sooner for better too...

BUT Proton may be thinking of compensating for those losses...by taking over these failing dealerships outlets...n convert them to become additional service centres of Proton...

Ahem...it could be "one bird kills two stones"...instead...

Err...either way...the rakyat's hard earn $$$ paid for government taxes...would continue to be...screwed. :rolleyes:

USJ27Resident
01-04-2007, 12:13 AM
For the life of Orchi...they all can close shop for all Orchi cares...n in fact Proton better close shop sooner for better too..

The sooner, the better... then the Govt can stop wasting money on this white elephant (on 4 wheels) and and use the tax-money for better causes... for example: like paying the our cops decent wages...

Good Guy
01-04-2007, 12:50 AM
I thought they were doing roaring business selling the "ikan bilis" iswara for a song at RM26999?

bugbear
01-04-2007, 01:15 AM
You know you have hit rock bottom when even the ikan bilis sold at RM26999 have no takers. Might as well lelong it off at buy one get Two free.

birdy
01-04-2007, 08:56 AM
So, are we expecting further discounts from these proton dealers? Great....then everyone can afford a new car at the second hand car price. :D

bslee
01-04-2007, 01:00 PM
Saga IS and will always be worth RM15k more or less..since its outdated technology..no comparison to what Hindustan Motors India are doing justice to the 1958 Morris model by leaps and bounds..and AS ADVERTISED!...unlike here..Cakap tak serupa bikin!. I can't see logical reasons why it should cost anything more other than they are run by parties only insisting profit margin should be ??%.

Wira is rotten rattler car...not worth a sen..the cheaper puny Kancil is far more reliable than the Wira.
Savvy is probably worth RM20k most...nice car but looks like a frog..especially when its green..
Waja is another rotten production..should never have come about..good attempt though..now with a bad reputation..

Ok..I've said it..they should sell those cars as per prices I've said its worth..scrap the rest...period!

At the current list prices..its easy to feel cheated for reasons of substandard quality, overhyped and overated!. Why others can do better..even the Koreans?..answers are obvious!.

Happy April Fools day folks!..

totoro
01-04-2007, 01:33 PM
You know you have hit rock bottom when even the ikan bilis sold at RM26999 have no takers. Might as well lelong it off at buy one get Two free.
i thot they received 10k orders for those ikan bilis?

PeterHng
01-04-2007, 01:39 PM
CLOSE SHOP de sooner de better.. dun waste more of our money..

trifecta
01-04-2007, 02:23 PM
i thot they received 10k orders for those ikan bilis?

That's what i though, not exactly selling like hot cakes but doing good enough. Whether intended or otherwise it does serve a somewhat noble purpose by providing a good alternative to low income family groups

cool
01-04-2007, 10:30 PM
May be proton would come with another "outstanding" model to save their declining market. errr. something like juara?, another 2 door hatchback?. God bless you, you are going to graveyard.

sinleong
01-04-2007, 10:39 PM
So, are we expecting further discounts from these proton dealers? Great....then everyone can afford a new car at the second hand car price. :D

then expect huge traffic jams....

hezron
01-04-2007, 10:53 PM
all because of these people we need to pay extra for reasonable car...
please...
the sooner the better...

Sentinel
01-04-2007, 10:57 PM
What is wrong in bringing in management who knows how to manage Proton the way it should be managed?

What is wrong in bringing in foreign partners who can save the company? Even the Japanese, with their pride and strong nationalistic views, was able to accept Renault as an equal partner and management for Nissan in 1999. Look at the Nissan 350Z, the Murano, the new Cefiro, the Infinity Q45, the Skyline, the Sylvias and of course the ever popular Sentra / Sunny and the Nissan March!!!!

Read all about this Nissan Turnaround by a foreign partner / foreign CEO in "SHIFT - Inside Nissan's Historic Revival" by the CEO himself Carlos Ghosn.

Thos narrow-minded myopic guys in Proton and Putrajaya should be the first to read the book... :mad:

Sentinel
01-04-2007, 11:02 PM
And not to mention, because of the need to protect this national car project, Malaysians ended up paying so much more in their non-national cars ! What a rotten deal. Proton should never have happened in the first place!

Rocky19
01-04-2007, 11:52 PM
They going bust is not a surprise. Proton was not a viable project from the beginning. It was all rosy while there was protection and the other cars were priced out while Proton could afford to sell at high prices which were artificial. And the dealers had a great time during Proton's 'good' years. They didn't need to sell, just wait for walk in. There was no test drive provided. All kind of accessories were thrown in if you wanted the car, if you refuse, please take a hike. And there was also the under the counter money requested if you wanted your car faster.

Well the govt saw this coming with AFTA, WTO but it and Proton waited till the very end to take corrective measures which also has impact on the dealers and suppliers. They just did not want to face reality. Well now Proton is looking for partners. As for the dealers they should have seen it coming too but....well now they are seeing competition and they have to actually sell the car instead of just collecting easy money like the 'good' old days. Are we going to weep for them.... :rolleyes:

bslee
01-04-2007, 11:54 PM
What is wrong in bringing in management who knows how to manage Proton the way it should be managed?

Its obvious it'll seriously dent the "Malaysia Boleh!" spirit.. especially there's loads of stubborness, blind eyes and deaf ears. Its not about "never say die". If and should it fall apart and a disaster, who'll suffer?..We! the rakyat of course. We get the gomen we deserve. I sometimes think the Communist countries made more reliable and inexpensive cars and offered it to its people in the past, didn't sell it for a very high price either.

How much of the car is really local content..meaning from raw materials that's imported?.. I can only think possibly only the rubber tyres.
If like that..might as well import the whole car..less the tyres.. :D

johndee
02-04-2007, 12:13 AM
...It was all rosy while there was protection and the other cars were priced out while Proton could afford to sell at high prices which were artificial. And the dealers had a great time during Proton's 'good' years. They didn't need to sell, just wait for walk in. There was no test drive provided. All kind of accessories were thrown in if you wanted the car, if you refuse, please take a hike.....well now they are seeing competition and they have to actually sell the car instead of just collecting easy money like the 'good' old days. Are we going to weep for them.... :rolleyes:Yeah..those were the bad old days when proton was under the protection of TDM. Setting up proton was a bad idea for the rakyat then, and till today we are still feeling the effects of the decision. Becos of proton, most of the major car manufacturers decided to set up plants in Thailand rather than M'sia.

PeterHng
02-04-2007, 01:28 AM
proton was nvr a good investment. bcos of proton, they set up perwaja to supply steel & see how it evolved into a scandal after another..

Now proton itself is becoming a huge liability to gomen beside us being sucked dry by de car duties for so many yrs!

mediumsliced
02-04-2007, 08:08 AM
Must we drag the rotting carcass of Proton through another few decades with our tax money?

gtl
02-04-2007, 09:21 AM
luckily i was able to sell my waja off..........times are bad.
btw, saw the proton MD at old town cafe last weekend in taipan - he was driving an estima.

maybe he can get some inspiration from it........

USJ27Resident
02-04-2007, 09:31 AM
luckily i was able to sell my waja off..........times are bad.
btw, saw the proton MD at old town cafe last weekend in taipan - he was driving an estima.

maybe he can get some inspiration from it........


Estima? As in the MPV.... He had NO CHOICE.... the MPV that Proton tried to market (the Juara) looked like an ugly oversize fridge on four wheels!... In fact, I think the Proton designers must've have/got the idea of the Juara when they saw a fridge "float" pass them in one of Shah Alam infamous flash floods....

"hey! look at that... if we put four wheels on that fridge... we can have a mini MPV for the stupid Malaysian market... *LOL*"

gtl
02-04-2007, 10:12 AM
Estima? As in the MPV.... He had NO CHOICE.... the MPV that Proton tried to market (the Juara) looked like an ugly oversize fridge on four wheels!... In fact, I think the Proton designers must've have/got the idea of the Juara when they saw a fridge "float" pass them in one of Shah Alam infamous flash floods....

"hey! look at that... if we put four wheels on that fridge... we can have a mini MPV for the stupid Malaysian market... *LOL*"

hei, my fridge looks better than a juara.....saw the new Estima, that's a nice MPV.
just a thought, if there is no quota system in malaysia, wud Proton be any different from the Proton now?

KelvC
02-04-2007, 11:15 AM
.....just a thought, if there is no quota system in malaysia, wud Proton be any different from the Proton now?
At least there will be "No Retreat, No Surrender", even at death it will be a glorious death and there will be Bards singing praises reminicing of good-ol'-times.

Drank too much 300 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416449/quotes).....hick!

MARTIN CHOO
02-04-2007, 11:25 AM
Well, I believe that if Proton close shop, we can buy cheaper and better quality car. It is better to suffer the lossee short term than to feel the pain in the longer periods.

xaviers
02-04-2007, 11:37 AM
Guys..it is the number of suppliers supplying proton with low quality parts at exorbitant price..

If proton goes the whole supply chain goes... I think that is one of the reason the the govt is protecting it...and guess who these owners are... so you know la.

bslee
02-04-2007, 12:46 PM
If I remember right, we're all going round in circles talking and ranting about it (as seen in other local forums too) and it gets nowhere. The gomen is not about to diminish what they started, protection till dunno when, high taxes for other cars..PERIOD!. NOTHING WE CAN DO NOW!..except..do the wise thing next GE!.

sly
02-04-2007, 12:55 PM
If I remember right, we're all going round in circles talking and ranting about it (as seen in other local forums too) and it gets nowhere. The gomen is not about to diminish what they started, protection till dunno when, high taxes for other cars..PERIOD!. NOTHING WE CAN DO NOW!..except..do the wise thing next GE!.

and my fren, another options, whether we pay thru nose or watever hole we can find, get a more expensive car that we enjoy rather than crap proton car... :D

orchipalar
02-04-2007, 01:06 PM
Err buddies...Malaysians are generally very very forgiving lots...

How many more years...would drivers of so many Protons...need to endure opening up their car doors to collect tickets n pay for tolls n parking charges...at toll booths n parking counters...respectively.

Ahem...amazingly but true...!

bslee
02-04-2007, 01:54 PM
another options,... than crap proton car... :D


Where got options?..in reality..NONE!..especially those who are cash strapped..(aren't we all?). higher prices, rising costs of living, goods inflation all means hutang, hutang AND hutang!...whole life hutang!..yet the gomen thrives on collected taxes whether we prosper or not.

Crap?..not all lah.. some credit is due lah..there WERE some good batches...period!. Its just that public confidence of the brand and management has gone down the tubes. Also to blame is the typical local mindset of many other imported items are still or always superior..true or not?. I admit I think like that many times.. :cool:

fabregas
02-04-2007, 04:09 PM
Estima? As in the MPV.... He had NO CHOICE.... the MPV that Proton tried to market (the Juara) looked like an ugly oversize fridge on four wheels!... In fact, I think the Proton designers must've have/got the idea of the Juara when they saw a fridge "float" pass them in one of Shah Alam infamous flash floods....

"hey! look at that... if we put four wheels on that fridge... we can have a mini MPV for the stupid Malaysian market... *LOL*"

Actually the Juara is a rebadged Japanese car (not designed by Proton) called the Town Box. It was quite popular in Japan as a city car. Goes to show what works in Japan (narrow streets and parking) does not always work here.

Agree Proton needs to be saved (b'cos tons of our EPF money is in it) , but not at the expense of more tax payers money or expensive bail out. Get a reliable company to takeover. Just like Renault taking over Nissan. Have to swallow National pride - lah, but add soya sauce and belacan, sure OK.

gtl
02-04-2007, 04:40 PM
Just like Renault taking over Nissan. Have to swallow National pride - lah, but add soya sauce and belacan, sure OK.

National Pride is so.....so outdated, in the global village of the 21st century, it just does not make any sense.

fabregas
02-04-2007, 05:02 PM
National Pride is so.....so outdated, in the global village of the 21st century, it just does not make any sense.

I agree. Many US multi national companies are willing to close down factories in the US and move to Asia including Malaysia to lower operating costs. That's the reality of economics. Many of these US folks who were laid off pick themselves up and start their own companies, move up the value chain and introduce niche technologies.

bslee
02-04-2007, 05:09 PM
move up the value chain and introduce niche technologies.

This is NOT possible here in Malaysia considering many unfavorable circumstances, severe restrictions, (this cannot, that cannot, need licence lah, need approval lah, itu haram lah!).. import taxes, red tape this gomen imposes on its citizens. Sorry man!..we're up against huge odds..unless jual nasi lemak or kueh tepi jalan.. that's REALITY for us here!...even EPF is already factually insufficient for comfortable retirement..so?..
Besides...when local workers get laid off..what kind of compensation or savings have they got that can get them on another firm footing? Lower income Malaysians are really poor and just do not have purchasing power compared to the western counterpart.

patwon
02-04-2007, 07:31 PM
Proton is a national car with Malaysia flag attach in front.if proton gone Malaysia will lose pride and malu saja.It will demoralise our nation and signal the downfall of Malysia boleh.

tupai
02-04-2007, 08:51 PM
my next new car will be a rm27,999.00 proton.

All my proton owner-friends told me that a proton can tahan at least 10-12years before major mechanical problems come to play (barring rear light cum aquarium, rust on left rear door, power window failures, and some rattling...)

since i seldom drive, i can certainly use it for 10years, that means i only pay rm2799 per year +/-rm230 per month...not a bad deal, no? and if i can hock it off for rm5000 in 2017, I got meself a real bargain too! :p

saya sokong buatan malaysia.

Yang Amat Boleh beli proton at potong harga 1 lato tupai

tupai
02-04-2007, 08:55 PM
then expect huge traffic jams....

how true...so be kind to the 5+million bikers and not encourage them to be frustrated & bullied by carkers until they REALLY buy an elcheapo car and jam up the road and cause more stress to you, the motorists :p

Yang Akan Beli proton lato tupai

bslee
02-04-2007, 08:56 PM
and if i can hock it off for rm5000 in 2017

Yah yah...you sure ah!.. My flen lext loor ask used car lealer how much to tlade in his 14year old Saga..that fler said.. RM1000.

totoro
02-04-2007, 09:04 PM
have several Iswaras in the extended family. none had major problems so far. all are at about 10 years or so now. quite satisfied with the Iswara (manual).

Raikonen
02-04-2007, 09:05 PM
Proton can never succeed with the typical malay mentality...Even Tun in a meeting last week commented y MAS was allowed to be having a non muslim CEO in Idris and that Malay interests are not taken cared of? Hahaha....Doesnt he know that the chinese have been driving the economy all these while? Take out all the Chinese interests from Msia and what is left?

orchipalar
02-04-2007, 09:09 PM
have several Iswaras in the extended family. none had major problems so far. all are at about 10 years or so now. quite satisfied with the Iswara (manual).Err buddy...guess they may not have had even a slight accident on those butterflies eh...?

Ahem...the bumper tends to fall off 1st...even after a slight bump with a motorcycle...

The same happens with em heroes...never failed to be able to yank the front or rear bumper off any heroes or butterflies before...with bare hands mind you.

USJ27Resident
02-04-2007, 11:09 PM
...Even Tun in a meeting last week commented y MAS was allowed to be having a non muslim CEO in Idris and that Malay interests are not taken cared of??

So... the freaking truth is out - one MUST be MALAY and BUMI AND a MUSLIM... gimme a freaking break. What a load of bull!!!! Go to any golf club and you would see a number of these special people mingling with the other races - either flaunting their Govt contacts or Govt sponsored wealth, or cajoling the Chinese/Japanese businessmen to take over their Ali Baba contracts...

Remember initially when the Govt wanted to get 'someone' capable of 'saving' MAS - the criteria was that the MD/CEO had to be a bumiputra candidate - and they got Idris Jala... good idea at the time, he had a typical Malay name, and a bumiputra too! Then they realised that he wasn't a muslim !! What the f... how can he be a bumiputra with Malay name and not be a Malay and muslim... that notion freaked out a lot of myopic buggers in UMNO....

I used to respect Tun M but now with the bullsh!t that he is spewing out every other day, I can only suspect he got nothing better to do... very typical of Melayu politicians that got no "modal" but to play the race card - over and over again.... is he fishing for sympathy or what??? :rolleyes:

cool
03-04-2007, 12:46 AM
Some of the top guys at protong and puterajaya need to see brain specialist, he open up and check, then close it back... why? cannot find brain inside. hehehe. That's why protong is going down to the sea through the flood water at shah alam.

cskok8
03-04-2007, 03:14 AM
A foot specialist would be more appropiate.

USJ27Resident
03-04-2007, 05:28 AM
Actually the Juara is a rebadged Japanese car (not designed by Proton) called the Town Box. It was quite popular in Japan as a city car. Goes to show what works in Japan (narrow streets and parking) does not always work here..

Thats the whole point. Proton has been and will always be a REBRANDED car. Those Proton designers will take the designs off a Japanese car and try to pass it off as a National "photo"copied car... so what pride are we talking about.... Its basically a HAS BEEN... the irony is, instead of being like the Koreans, taking other peoples designs and rebranding them AND selling them cheap... PROTON does the opposite, rebranding them and selling them as expensive overpriced copies...

Heck, at least one Korean car design looks suspiciously similiar to the older Mercedes design and has a Mercedes engine as the engine block but is sold like 5 times cheaper that the real thing... :p They call it the Chairman....

fabregas
03-04-2007, 12:39 PM
Thats the whole point. Proton has been and will always be a REBRANDED car. Those Proton designers will take the designs off a Japanese car and try to pass it off as a National "photo"copied car... so what pride are we talking about.... Its basically a HAS BEEN... the irony is, instead of being like the Koreans, taking other peoples designs and rebranding them AND selling them cheap... PROTON does the opposite, rebranding them and selling them as expensive overpriced copies...

Heck, at least one Korean car design looks suspiciously similiar to the older Mercedes design and has a Mercedes engine as the engine block but is sold like 5 times cheaper that the real thing... :p They call it the Chairman....
I agree. Well, I am not promoting Proton and in fact I strongly prefer to buy second hand Japanese cars. But I stress that Proton needs saving (but not thru govt bailout) because of economic reasons (our EPF funds, thousands of jobs at stake,etc.). Proton has to bite the bullet and submit to foreign control and management change.

dryyyap
03-04-2007, 03:56 PM
If Proton goes, so will our RM100 bills. They'll have to find a substitute picture for the back! And quietly too.

firefox
03-04-2007, 04:01 PM
If Proton goes, so will our RM100 bills. They'll have to find a substitute picture for the back! And quietly too.

also there would be less traffic on the road too

fabregas
03-04-2007, 07:37 PM
From Proton's website on shareholding

http://www.proton.com/about_proton/investor_relations/shareholdings_statistics2005.php

Khazanah is the biggest stake holder at 38%
EPF is 2nd at 10% or 60 million shares.

I am pretty sure the govt will not let it die. Lets wait and see what the soulution is.

Rocky19
03-04-2007, 08:04 PM
If Proton goes, so will our RM100 bills. They'll have to find a substitute picture for the back! And quietly too.
good one. even if VW take over, proton has to go.Maybe they will put the monsoon cup pics on the RM100 bill since the event makes more money than the Olympics, F1 etc and has 1.2 billion people tuned into it!!!!Wow!!! Or they will pics of Mat Rempit so as to inspire them to become good and UMNO Putera member. :rolleyes:

wira wan
04-04-2007, 03:23 PM
About 13 years ago, when I wanted to order a Proton Iswara.

I remember a Proton salesman saying this to me "....... Waiting period about 6 to 7 months, provided that you don't choose the colour. The model must be full spec, or I can't guarantee you the delivery time......."

I walked off the showroom.

I think the same mentality still exist in the current management of Proton when they negotiate with potential partners.

"..........You come up with money, I decide what to do with it....."

AllUrban
04-04-2007, 04:08 PM
Hyundai has slowly followed the example of the Japanese in improving their cars...the other Korean companies have also followed the same process....

Slowly and slowly their build quality has improved...today many people will choose a Korean car but resale value is low because of the poor reputation of the past.

Where Japanese companies are known for innovation and refinement (ex. Honda with its 2 year refinement and 4/8 year innovation schedule) and have slowly improved the quality of their vehicles.

Hyundai is now running at a 2-4 year innovation and refinement schedule (ex. the Hyundai Coupe has gone through 4 models since it was introduced, or look at the recnet 3 models of Sonata)

Though the models are borrowing ideas and design features from other companies (like the infamous "twin kidney-BMW" style grille available as an "add-on " accessory in the Kia Sorrento) the companies are constantly improving and refining their cars

When you look at Proton, do you see the sense of innovation and refinement that has brought success to Hyundai and Toyota (and Nissan, mentioned in this thread - ps. new Teana being launched right now)?

Sadly the answer is no.

Sure, there are the Gen2, Satria, and Saavy, and they are semi-decent cars but they do not demonstrate enough innovation and refinement.

Model turnover for Proton is way too slow as compared to international car companies.

If it comes to innovation, I would love to see innovations on the humble motorcycle which is a much more important vehicle for Malaysia's needs.

I remember my dad commenting on the latest Auto-Rickshaw offered by Vespa in India. It is designed with an interchangeable rear end, and the options include a six seat, a refrigerated, a cargo-box, etc. etc.

I also think of the COCO taxi (I think Im loving this thing) from Cuba and wonder how much safer Malaysia's roads would be if something like the COCO was operating here....

Id love to see the motorcycle companies working on bringing innovation to Malaysia...because building better motorcycles will make more of a difference than any "national" car.

My thoughts.

Cheers, m

CCY
04-04-2007, 04:18 PM
Id love to see the motorcycle companies working on bringing innovation to Malaysia...because building better motorcycles will make more of a difference than any "national" car.

My thoughts.

Cheers, m

I tried to spot a motorcycle belching blue/black or white smoke for 3 days in Ho Chi Minh city , Vietnam. Was surprised....really surprised ...couldn't spot one. Geeez..

orchipalar
04-04-2007, 04:24 PM
When you look at Proton, do you see the sense of innovation and refinement that has brought success to Hyundai and Toyota (and Nissan, mentioned in this thread - ps. new Teana being launched right now)?

Sadly the answer is no.

Sure, there are the Gen2, Satria, and Saavy, and they are semi-decent cars but they do not demonstrate enough innovation and refinement.Err buddy...Got! they changed the emblem on each n everyone of the freaking Proton that rolls out of the 'manufacturing' lines...

tupai
04-04-2007, 05:36 PM
I tried to spot a motorcycle belching blue/black or white smoke for 3 days in Ho Chi Minh city , Vietnam. Was surprised....really surprised ...couldn't spot one. Geeez..

they 4 strokes lah...environ friendly in many ways also burn less fuel than tin cans lah :D


Quote:
Originally Posted by AllUrban
Id love to see the motorcycle companies working on bringing innovation to Malaysia...because building better motorcycles will make more of a difference than any "national" car.My thoughts.
Cheers, m[/QUOTE]

AllUrban, u THE man! but motorcycle owners are looked down upon lah..they are a bunch of illiterates, ignorant fools, reckless idiots on the road hell bent to harass the rich people during cars...so it best to stick to basic boring non-fashionista motocycles lah. Low profile lah.

Yang Ada Berminat dgn motosikal canggih lato tupai

bslee
04-04-2007, 05:48 PM
they 4 strokes lah...environ friendly in many ways also burn less fuel than tin cans lah :D


You're right..4 stroke engines has less pollution which 2 stroke engines found here are biggest pollution devils. Having said that, 2 stroke are cheaper to manufacture and maintain..that's is what its all about..THE COST!..to the Malaysian..must be cheap!...above everything else..this country doesn't give a hoot about pollution control..if they did..they'd give up the idea of 2 stroke bikes long ago and I'm damn sure we'd have cleaner air in the city. Afterall they can thank their lucky stars, there IS a periodic FREE air pollution solution..its called RAIN!.

CCY
04-04-2007, 09:26 PM
they 4 strokes lah...environ friendly in many ways also burn less fuel than tin cans lah :D



Off course I know that. It just shows that our gomen oso got problem choosing the better moto to be on the road ....or....may have some other you know what reason...
What else ....innovation in moto and cars....very far from it.

gtl
04-04-2007, 09:40 PM
i got this feeling that VW has abandon the nego for proton, now PM wants to meet them to "beg" them to come and help? how's my theory?

Teeque
05-04-2007, 02:39 AM
i got this feeling that VW has abandon the nego for proton, now PM wants to meet them to "beg" them to come and help? how's my theory?
ur right on all counts... :)

Kiwi
05-04-2007, 08:56 AM
i got this feeling that VW has abandon the nego for proton, now PM wants to meet them to "beg" them to come and help? how's my theory?
I have the same feel... seems like VW meeting with PM is their final move, whether take it or leave it...

If VW has abandon, I doubt proton still can find any others who dare to 'marry' with. :confused:

gtl
05-04-2007, 09:01 AM
saw it in today's strait times (singapore) front page too. Proton is in deep **** now.......might as well just sell off the factory to VW (if they still want it) and close Proton for good.

economically an expensive 20 years installment all malaysian having to pay due to fallacy of one man..........we want financial freedom fm further paying installments.

bugbear
05-04-2007, 09:31 AM
If this VW deal is a no go then proton is going down for sure. With it the EPF too and Khazanah. I don't think Pak Lah will allow that to happen. But let wait and see shall we? Wonder why the TDM kept mum all these while, while his baby is slowly dying of old age.

AllUrban
05-04-2007, 02:45 PM
It is tough to change perceptions, definitely...takes years and years of concentrated effort....

and it doesnt help that your years of work can be upset in a very short time by the antics of a few people.....

I think the major way to change the perceptions...would be a 3-wheel motorcycle....

3 wheels....leads to so many more possibilities......than 2 wheels....

Hehhehehe to me the COCO looks like a motorcycle helmet...it could be promoted as a safer alternative to the current motorcycles...among the older, more cautious riders....

imagine that a (tinted) windshield were added (the innovation) to protect from wind + rain + pollution and also keep in the air con/cooling system.....

wow, then it really looks like a helmet....

tagline for the first ads for the product...."no helmet necessary here"... or "helmet, where got helmet?"

Ok, sorry, I dont want to hijack the thread...except to point out that M'sia has to stop looking for affirmation from outsiders (e.g. the 'expert' panels and dubious awards)...and start developing it internally....

as I quote from the Simpsons (once again)

Marge: Hmmm...maybe being cool is when you dont need people to tell you you are cool.
Bart: Of course not!
Lisa: (if no one tells you) how would you know?

Malaysia needs to start believing that Malaysia is "cool" and stop relying on people just telling Malaysia what she wants to hear.....

Im gonna share this idea with a design teacher at The One Academy and see if anything can come out of it....

Cheers, m

bslee
05-04-2007, 05:14 PM
Alas..TheStar papers also highlight what most would be rambling about..
here : http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/4/5/business/17354785&sec=business