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Alfred88
31-03-2007, 10:35 PM
How come so many condominium and aprtment in Malaysia does not allow dogs? Security and management department claims that it is not allow in Act. I am sooooooo damn sure nothing in the Act says about dogs or cat. Not any Act regarding apartment and condominium.

Just because malays doesn't like dogs, why are we being penalize?!!

So damn discreminating

trex92
31-03-2007, 10:58 PM
my apologies but i beg to differ on this. Keeping dogs and cats in an apartment is way too inconsiderate to the neighbours. I experienced a case where my neighbour's dog keep in the apartment keep barking and barking. You know how it is like in an enclosed area where the barks just echoes louder. My view is that you wanna keep a dog as a pet, go buy a house instead. A 1000sf apartment unit is way too small for a dog and a family.

umadavid
31-03-2007, 11:58 PM
I am one of those who are of the opinion that even terrace houses are not good enough for the poor dogs. My neighbour keeps his dog chained up all day on short lease rain or shine. I feel sorry for the poor doggy but he seem to have adapted to such poor living conditions.

Dogs should have large areas/compound for them to live stress free lives.

yvonnefoong
01-04-2007, 12:26 AM
I agree. My retionale is this. If bungalows (insert SQ) can keep up to 3 dogs, terrace houses (insert relatively big SQ) can keep two dogs, and terrace houses with minimal land can only keep 1 dog, then the retionale is that condominiums and apartments are not allowed to be inhabited by four legged pets.

I actually asked my lawyer friend before, but it has been some time, therefore I can't provide exact figures here. But yeah, I agree that dogs should only be allowed to stay in if they are given enough space to roam. It's their nature.

pcyeoh
01-04-2007, 02:21 AM
My sister-in-law lives in a condominium. Her neighbour keeps a dog which is making hell of a noise driving her against the wall short of making her jump 22 floors down. She complained to the management how they could allow dogs in the condo. Apparently the owner is the brother of the manager of the condo management. My sil has no choice but dognapped it and sent it to the SPCA. If I were her, I would throw the dog....er er its owner down the garbage chute. So inconsiderate.

ng
01-04-2007, 06:36 AM
In my opinion, it is alright if they allow you to keep a dog in condo/apt provided that the dog doesn't bark whole night.

Some dogs are quiet enough and some dogs are just plain talkative and can bark all night.

I used to have my neighbour dog barking all night and the neighbour can still be sound asleep !! I was kept awake the whole night !

So just buy a dog that is well-behaved.

jtl
01-04-2007, 10:55 AM
You can't buy well-behaved dogs.

You need to train the dogs to be well-behaved

mon
01-04-2007, 01:21 PM
Training the dog seems like a good idea, but pls do be patient with your dog if it doesn't obey anyhow or seems stubborn, even after weeks of obedience classes. The problem could be that your dog was not getting the correct training, which calls for lots of commitment and perseverance and time, esp. on your part, and lots of understanding. It might be hard to hear this but do remember, we are the ones who brought the dogs into our lives and our environments, so pls do give your dog more chances.

mlkok
01-04-2007, 01:29 PM
I think it's more the issue of a well-behaved owner. :p
I believe it's in the by-laws that you cannot have dogs in apartments. Even if you do keep, do have the consideration not to impose on your neighbors. But then, hey, this is Malaysia, everyone is the law. :D

yvonnefoong
01-04-2007, 03:02 PM
PcYeoh: Your sister dognapped? Wow! How did she do it? I suppose the neighbour couldn't report her for it because he was in the wrong. But this is interesting!

Alfred88
01-04-2007, 04:44 PM
My dogs is well train, he and she will not bark unless someone at the door. If people complaint dog barking is such and issue that dogs should be throw down the building then how about those kids who make so much noise, I mean those ADD kids or those with parents that can't control their kids. Shouldn't they be incastrated?lol

keny
01-04-2007, 07:29 PM
I am biased becoz i never had well behaved dog as my neighbour before...so i agree that the owner must be thrown down from the highest floor, then throw the dog on them....

yvonnefoong
01-04-2007, 08:17 PM
My dogs is well train, he and she will not bark unless someone at the door. If people complaint dog barking is such and issue that dogs should be throw down the building then how about those kids who make so much noise, I mean those ADD kids or those with parents that can't control their kids. Shouldn't they be incastrated?lol

I don't think this is a good rationale. Dogs bark incessantly because they ill-behave. Kids with ADD who make noise have a medical issue. You are free to discuss with your neigbour if their kids are making too much noise, and perhaps, even bring the authorities to the negotiation table.

trex92
01-04-2007, 10:59 PM
Training the dog seems like a good idea, but pls do be patient with your dog if it doesn't obey anyhow or seems stubborn, even after weeks of obedience classes. The problem could be that your dog was not getting the correct training, which calls for lots of commitment and perseverance and time, esp. on your part, and lots of understanding. It might be hard to hear this but do remember, we are the ones who brought the dogs into our lives and our environments, so pls do give your dog more chances.

unfortunately there are lots of pet owners who doesnt have the responsibility of taking care of their pets properly. That's the part that irritates the most out of neighbours.

mon
01-04-2007, 11:45 PM
unfortunately there are lots of pet owners who doesnt have the responsibility of taking care of their pets properly. That's the part that irritates the most out of neighbours.
Yeap.

But I do hope that the animals would be spared of the blames. Isn't it ironic that when they behave well, the owners are most likely to credit this to their A-Z training methods. However, when the animals misbehave, ppl blame the animals, and some, would like to punish both owner and pets.

So dog owners, let's not forget cat owners too, we should first develop our skills and modify our behaviors when and if we want to keep pets.

hhtee
02-04-2007, 09:19 AM
I read somewhere that the AutoCAD company (I think called Autodesk), allows their programmers to bring their dogs to work. I think it's some sort of motivation to let their employees know that their dog is safe even when they are at work.

My point is, if dogs are allowed in work place, I am sure dogs can be allowed in apartments. At the end of the day, it comes to ringgit and sens. If the Act is changed to allow dogs / pets, perhaps in future, developers would need to have a special provision for a dog "kernel" (not those Windows DLL Kernels - Dynamic Link Libraries) or pet house in the condo! Now, which developer would want to fork out extra money for these provision ?

pcyeoh
02-04-2007, 10:48 AM
My point is, if dogs are allowed in work place, I am sure dogs can be allowed in apartments. At the end of the day, it comes to ringgit and sens. If the Act is changed to allow dogs / pets, perhaps in future, developers would need to have a special provision for a dog "kernel" (not those Windows DLL Kernels - Dynamic Link Libraries) or pet house in the condo! Now, which developer would want to fork out extra money for these provision ?
By the way we are not confused over the dog house and the software terminology called 'kernel.' So the kernels that are in Autodesk are there because of their software structure and not to house their programmers' dogs. If the condominiums were to allow dogs in their vicinity, then they should go into software or application business as well. Oh poor me, I am getting confused myself. Sorry that I am too dogmatic about this. I am bitching here because those who love keeping dogs should live in a landed property. Period.

pcyeoh
02-04-2007, 01:01 PM
By the way we are not confused over the dog house and the software terminology called 'kernel.'
I received 2 sms asking me what do we call a doghouse that lead to the 'confusion." Well, we spell it as 'kennel.' Anyway this is a small matter. I treat it as a belated April Fool joke. Eh.... how come no one play a April Joke on this forum. Strange ah..... all very serious. I totally forgot about it or else I would have done so.

fRaNkY
03-04-2007, 11:50 AM
1) Be aware that Subang Jaya (MPSJ) have regulations regarding owners of property to have certain space inorder to keep dog and cat.

2) It is unhygiene to keep dog and cat (even though they take bath everyday :D) They may pooh-pooh anywhere and others might step on it. The smell! Even a cat in the common area in a cage can become smelly in a day.

3) They may make sound that can disturb the neighours. Dogs bark and cat meow during day and night. Some people are light sleeper, so it affects them.

4) Dogs do bite. A young child was bitten by dog late last year in Court9 where stitches was required.

5) Dog and cat are messy eaters. Human too sometimes :D

6) Some car owners dont like their tyre to be pee'd on :D

7) Dog and cat owners normally dont clean up after their pets!

8) Some people dont like cats and dogs hair blown into their apt.

9) Some kids are allergic to cat hair...

If your cat and dog dont do any of the above, perhaps its just a stuffed or taxidermist figure :D

iml109
03-04-2007, 05:25 PM
1) Be aware that Subang Jaya (MPSJ) have regulations regarding owners of property to have certain space inorder to keep dog and cat.

True, that is why u need to know your own means (size of your house) to keep what kinda dog.

2) It is unhygiene to keep dog and cat (even though they take bath everyday :D) They may pooh-pooh anywhere and others might step on it. The smell! Even a cat in the common area in a cage can become smelly in a day.

This one can be settled easily lar! Discipline. On urself not the dog. Bring the dog out twice a day and make sure ur a (again) disciplined! Bring a plastic bag or a poo scooper. Throw those poos down the toilet bowl, not drain. Considerate to others. It is not the dog's / cat's fault that their poos smells. To them, maybe our poo smell worse. In fact, if ur pet has proper diet, their poo will smell just like their food.

3) They may make sound that can disturb the neighours. Dogs bark and cat meow during day and night. Some people are light sleeper, so it affects them.

This is again how u train ur pets. E.g. my dog, she only barks when I leave the house. Why? Coz she just want to follow me everywhere! If one person stays at home, she's ok. Pets are just like children. They need to be taught on how to behave. So if ur dog barks and u act like it doesn't matter, they won't learn. The problem? YOU yourself again. On this note, I kinda agree on the above post on un-disciplined children but not the ADD kids. I mean, have u gone shopping on weekends and kids were running amok??? Kids should be banned from hypermarkets until certain age. (e.g. in UK, under 16 are not allowed in store alone).

4) Dogs do bite. A young child was bitten by dog late last year in Court9 where stitches was required.

I would say a dog to be a violent dog must have been abused already itself by someone.

5) Dog and cat are messy eaters. Human too sometimes :D

Dogs (i say dogs coz I think cats are very very prim and neat already) are messy eaters becos usually those dogs were starved. Dogs who are loved and have enough food to eat usually dun bother to eat until they're really really hungry. If not so hungry? They look at u with puppy eyes hoping u'll throw them some human food.

6) Some car owners dont like their tyre to be pee'd on :D

Agree... it's their nature in marking. But again, its the owner's fault. Why bring ur dog to someone's car to pee?

7) Dog and cat owners normally dont clean up after their pets!

SO TRUE!!! AGAIN... owner's fault.

8) Some people dont like cats and dogs hair blown into their apt.

Can happen like that meh? Like that I think the owner's own place must be soooooo dirty... aiyeh...

9) Some kids are allergic to cat hair...

Not only kids. Adults too. But allergy doesn't work through the wall.

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Conclusion? dun blame the animals. Blame the owners.

fRaNkY
03-04-2007, 05:56 PM
Because of the irresponsible owner.... cats and dogs are not allowed in apts...

Owners too... should be trained... or they should not be allowed to stay in nice apts and condos! :D

Teach a dog/cat to eat with fork/spoon, poo poo in the toilet then wipe themself, groom themself, pick up their own hair, learn sign language... maybe the local council will let them stay in their apts... :D

iml109
03-04-2007, 05:59 PM
Teach a dog/cat to eat with fork/spoon, poo poo in the toilet then wipe themself, groom themself, pick up their own hair, learn sign language... maybe the local council will let them stay in their apts... :D

Wah, like that soon we'll be the pets, and they are the (what is the word again? the 'leader' of this world). Just like the movie (monkeys ruling the world?).

Maybe then we'll understand how life is as pet.

subangdweller
06-04-2008, 07:20 PM
Like it or not I strongly agree that all types of pets are allowed in Apartment & Condo. It matters not the animal but who owns the animals. The owner must be responsible enough to make sure his/her pet does not become nuisance to the neighbors.

Pets are the greatest thing a human being can have and that reduces a lot of stress problems. It is a noble and good thing that many people have their love extended to animals and to deprive them of having pets is wrong. For those people who do not have love for animals they can just stick to themselves and shut up.

We do not need to make apartment living for loners. The way I see it, there are many people living in apartments who are really loners and they do not like interactions. I classify them as PSYCHOPATHS.

blurrman
06-04-2008, 07:59 PM
How come so many condominium and aprtment in Malaysia does not allow dogs? Security and management department claims that it is not allow in Act. I am sooooooo damn sure nothing in the Act says about dogs or cat. Not any Act regarding apartment and condominium.

Just because malays doesn't like dogs, why are we being penalize?!!

So damn discreminating

First of all, the security dept was wrong, it is not about ACT, its the Undang Undang Kecil and the Syarat syarat Permohonan Lesen Anjing MPSJ that is preventing dogs to be in apt/condo. I believed that most of the undang undang kecil else where also has this constrain.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with race. There are people that like dogs, and there are people that don't.

Putting dogs in such a small place will not only torture the dog, but also other people staying nearby.

SookYee
11-04-2008, 08:04 PM
i'm not sure about whether there is a legislation on whether you can keep dogs/cats in an apartment but do look into the provisions of your deed of mutual covenant signed with the apartment management/developer. There may be a clause we stipulates against having dogs/cats in the apartment.