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silver_bird
27-03-2007, 11:10 AM
“How would the Muslims feel if they have to submit to a Hindu court or to any other religious court? We should not do unto others what we do not want others to do unto us. That is the ultimate test of reasonableness. That is the test of a just legal system.” - Datuk Zaid Ibrahim - MP for Kota Bahru
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/content/view/8187/2/

MirrorWise
27-03-2007, 01:31 PM
“How would the Muslims feel if they have to submit to a Hindu court or to any other religious court? We should not do unto others what we do not want others to do unto us. That is the ultimate test of reasonableness. That is the test of a just legal system.” - Datuk Zaid Ibrahim - MP for Kota Bahru
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/content/view/8187/2/

anyway, does it really matter to bring race into the topic to say if some one is good or bad? there area only 1 race of ppl that are bad... they are called @rseholes... and got many colors, white @rseholes, black @rseholes, brown @rseholes, yellow @rseholes...etc.

jericho
27-03-2007, 07:42 PM
anyway, does it really matter to bring race into the topic to say if some one is good or bad? there area only 1 race of ppl that are bad... they are called @rseholes... and got many colors, white @rseholes, black @rseholes, brown @rseholes, yellow @rseholes...etc.

This is not about race but rather religion issues.

No doubt the scenario in Malaysia tend to be a bit differ where the interpretation of Muslim and the Malay race has been deeply confused and deep rooted into our upbringing.

It is a sad state for both the Malay and non Malay.

cool
28-03-2007, 12:10 AM
Lets not blame the Malay alone. In any country where one majority rule, tendency for them to have one sided law is always there. Here, let's say its ourself are to be blame. There are lots running dog chinese, whom were more than willing to change their name, throw away their root culture and prefer to mix more with other group just to have economic advantage, promotion and so on. So who is to be blame here. And for the poor lady fighting for custody of the kids whose husband taking easier way out of marriage, who is there to blame?. Definitely the F****** husband who is selfish and not the Malay. For them, its a great welcome, but they are not pointing a gun to his head to do that.

firefox
28-03-2007, 07:17 AM
There are lots running dog chinese, whom were more than willing to change their name, throw away their root culture and prefer to mix more with other group just to have economic advantage, promotion and so on.

How true if only they could spend more time with their wife and family instead of thinking of making money only.

dragonfly
28-03-2007, 10:03 AM
[QUOTE=silver_bird]“How would the Muslims feel if they have to submit to a Hindu court or to any other religious court? We should not do unto others what we do not want others to do unto us. That is the ultimate test of reasonableness. That is the test of a just legal system.” - Datuk Zaid Ibrahim - MP for Kota Bahru

Ya......with such a rational and logical thinking, I doubt this guy can go far in in the Malay political scene.

Jokee
28-03-2007, 12:48 PM
[QUOTE=silver_bird]“How would the Muslims feel if they have to submit to a Hindu court or to any other religious court? We should not do unto others what we do not want others to do unto us. That is the ultimate test of reasonableness. That is the test of a just legal system.” - Datuk Zaid Ibrahim - MP for Kota Bahru

Ya......with such a rational and logical thinking, I doubt this guy can go far in in the Malay political scene.
I call this "WAYANG KULIT".

wongstandard
28-03-2007, 01:26 PM
wayang untuk rakyat tengok pilih saya bila pilihan raya sampai

johndee
28-03-2007, 10:23 PM
wayang untuk rakyat tengok pilih saya bila pilihan raya sampaiWe should take his statement at face value instead of thinking the worst of him. After all the majority of his constituent are muslims and its illogical for him to fish for votes by making this statement..unless he is switching to subang jaya constituency in the next GE.

Raikonen
28-03-2007, 11:10 PM
This coming from a man found guilty of money politics by his fellow brethrens. Such talk is cheap and free when you are a fellow Malay BN MP who still vote along party lines when it comes to crunch issues. Y dun he quit BN then if he is so holy?

citizen_x
28-03-2007, 11:53 PM
Putting politics aside, this muslim who also happens to be a malay should be applauded for speaking out where others had chosen to turn a blind eye. The core issue he was referring to was that 2 out of the 3 Appeals Court judges had no balls and possibly no brains. Their reputation as impartial judges has been tainted and only Sri Ram emerged as a dissenting judge with his reputation intact and perhaps even enhanced. Our PM has chosen to be elegantly silent on the matter and has missed yet another golden opportunity to repair his tattered image.

charis14
29-03-2007, 09:16 AM
... Our PM has chosen to be elegantly silent on the matter and has missed yet another golden opportunity to repair his tattered image.Unfortunately, the need to avoid persecution from religious fanatics overide everything. If their own women can be subjected to 'religious' laws which from modern perspective is seen as regressive, don't expect them to look after the interest of the 2nd class citizens. Since the national leadership has gone along the course of allowing fanatics to progressively take over this country, things will 'worsen' for all 2nd class citizens as time progresses.

What do we do? Let us put migration as last resort. There are many things we can still do. To be fair, the problem is mainly caused by a small group of people - the religious fanatics as well as aspiring ambitious politicians. Let us continue to encourage and support those who dare to speak out against wrongs. Of course, 'support' need not be in the form of voting for them if their votes in Parliament are along party lines.

pepsi
29-03-2007, 11:15 AM
Lets not blame the Malay alone. In any country where one majority rule, tendency for them to have one sided law is always there. Here, let's say its ourself are to be blame. There are lots running dog chinese, whom were more than willing to change their name, throw away their root culture and prefer to mix more with other group just to have economic advantage, promotion and so on. So who is to be blame here. And for the poor lady fighting for custody of the kids whose husband taking easier way out of marriage, who is there to blame?. Definitely the F****** husband who is selfish and not the Malay. For them, its a great welcome, but they are not pointing a gun to his head to do that.
Hmm...funny you should use the term running dog chinese in this context ? :rolleyes:
Changing religion is one matter but to insist that the case is under the Syariah court jurisdiction is another matter. Does the Syariah court has a tendency to rule in favour of a muslim, although the mother is a better candidate to bring up the child ?That is also another matter. If the Syariah court is deemed fair and allow the child to relinquish the religion his father bequeth to him without his mothers' consent ? All eyes are watching to see how the Syariah court carries out it's duties fairly.If it cannot do so without concern of infringing the Syariah courts principals, leave it to the Civil Court, lest it goes against their conscience.

KelvC
29-03-2007, 01:20 PM
the fact here is the keeper and the protector of the Constitution has failed its primary duty. only one has managed to held his head up.

perhaps it is timely to reconsider a constitution court's make up (see current case for reference).

charis14
29-03-2007, 01:25 PM
...All eyes are watching to see how the Syariah court carries out it's duties fairly.If it cannot do so without concern of infringing the Syariah courts principals, leave it to the Civil Court, lest it goes against their conscience.The role of the Syariah court is to administer and protect the Muslim faith. It cannot and will not decide on anything which moves out of their primary role.

cool
30-03-2007, 12:39 AM
Well brothers and sisters of non muslims, please choose a nice Malay name for your future use. It may become handy one day when you are required to do so in a minute. Anyhow this is their aim.

kwchang
30-03-2007, 11:47 AM
Cool, your recent comment is out of line. This thread was started to make a note that the MP had actually sided the non-muslims. However, just because the topic touched on religious issues and the word "Malay" was used, people like you tend to sidetrack the issue into some political slant.

Please remember to keep to topic, more importantly the context of the thread. It is always easy to find fault and make negative comments about the ruling party - especially since elections are looming on the horizon.

I allow for serious comments and intellectual discussions on objective grounds. However, when someone feels fit to degrade the thread with comments with other agendas in mind, I need to make reminders.

By the way, this thread had probably gone out of steam on the initial context. Time to close.

joker2107
30-03-2007, 04:59 PM
The core issue he was referring to was that 2 out of the 3 Appeals Court judges had no balls and possibly no brains. Their reputation as impartial judges has been tainted and only Sri Ram emerged as a dissenting judge with his reputation intact and perhaps even enhanced. Our PM has chosen to be elegantly silent on the matter and has missed yet another golden opportunity to repair his tattered image.

citizen x, u shud be axed. pls do not put words into the mouth of a very senior and respected lawyer mp. your balls and brains story are absolutely out of place here.

so many of you are demi gods when it comes to political-religious-human rights-racial issues. i wonder just how many of you have done anything beyond reading and writing what serves your personal agenda.

do we partake in events which promote justice and apolitical social integration? have we seen or heard the people we quote? have we written our thesis and dissertations for media release?

if you have, you will realize that race and religion are political tools but not all politicians use them to their advantage. the mp from kb is a case in point. so too the man in the pm's dept who refused to withdraw his signature from the infamous memorandum to the pm when 9 of his peers who profess to champion the rights of the minority dipped their tails between their legs and scrambled out of the boss' path.

there are good people around. just that more often than not the good are not quite visible because they are occluded by the sea of impropriety around them. pls do not mock them when they are seen or heard - we desparately need more of such good souls, bn or otherwise. for the others, i too would find joy in brandishing my samurai sword against them.