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makeupgirl
23-03-2007, 06:01 PM
Any parents that are currently homeschool your own children? I would like to hear from you, your experience, courage and support!!

I am currently homeschooling my 5-year-old girl. Have a 2-year-old boy that always disturb the sister, and a demanding 6-month-old baby. Recently feeling tired because the kids are getting naughtier, and also getting pressure from my mom-in-law for not sending the girl to kindergarten.

coleslaw
23-03-2007, 09:23 PM
may i ask why you decide on home school and for how long?

kwchang
24-03-2007, 12:43 AM
There was a homeschool community in USJ some years ago and they had a website called Family Place (http://www.familyplace.com.my/). The following link to that website is not working now, hence I wonder if that community is still here. When I googled for it, I found a link to a pdf document dated Jan 2007, hence they must be still operational (in USJ Goodyear Court 9) but the website is having difficulties loading at this moment. Try it and see.

While googling, I also found another homeschool community under the Meetup (http://homeschool.meetup.com/cities/my/subang_jaya/) website. I am sorry, I cannot verify the sincerity of that link, I guess you will need to check it yourself.

evelynlim
29-03-2007, 05:26 PM
Family place is conducting a a parenting dialogue on Engaged Parenting: "Learning to Think"
on April 14 (Sat) at 3.00pm at Taska Belaian Kasih, No.16 Jalan USJ 4/3, UEP
Subang Jaya. PLease regeister yourself via email info@familyplace.com.my
and give your email and tel numbers. There is no charge for the dialogue
session.
The person in charge of FamilyPlace is Wai Leng.

makeupgirl
29-03-2007, 05:50 PM
There was a homeschool community in USJ some years ago and they had a website called Family Place (http://www.familyplace.com.my/). The following link to that website is not working now, hence I wonder if that community is still here. When I googled for it, I found a link to a pdf document dated Jan 2007, hence they must be still operational (in USJ Goodyear Court 9) but the website is having difficulties loading at this moment. Try it and see.

While googling, I also found another homeschool community under the Meetup (http://homeschool.meetup.com/cities/my/subang_jaya/) website. I am sorry, I cannot verify the sincerity of that link, I guess you will need to check it yourself.

Thanks kwchang for your info. I heard about familyplace, I think they are still there, just that the website is not updated. I did not check out further since I only be in SJ during weekend only.

Well, I am feeling good right now... guess that just some stress that need to go thru (or to be "released" :D ) sometimes. After I read a book, review again my purpose and goal of doing it, I am re-charge to move on. :cool:

Thanks everyone :)

makeupgirl
29-03-2007, 08:00 PM
may i ask why you decide on home school and for how long?

This is not a simple one line answer. We (me and my husband) make the decision after we saw the good results (from my homeschool friends' kids); plus I check out some books and websites.

Everyone has their own reason, the few main reasons I go for it are:
The history of how school system came about ==>
http://rachelcity.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-i-homeschool-2.html

The socialization method I prefer ==>
http://koinonia-all.org/homeschool/socialization.htm

The way I want my family to live ==>
http://koinonia-all.org/homeschool/wayoflife.htm

For how long? Hopefully until year6 or year8. Then may be let them join a centre to complete year12 or higher [= to A-level], then see later if we can financially support them to uni. :)

makeupgirl
29-03-2007, 08:07 PM
Family place is conducting a a parenting dialogue on Engaged Parenting: "Learning to Think"
on April 14 (Sat) at 3.00pm at Taska Belaian Kasih, No.16 Jalan USJ 4/3, UEP
Subang Jaya. PLease regeister yourself via email info@familyplace.com.my
and give your email and tel numbers. There is no charge for the dialogue
session.
The person in charge of FamilyPlace is Wai Leng.

Hi Evelyn, thanks for the info. Is Family Place an education centre? homeschool community? or...?? And, how can I get future notification of events from Family Place?

emw
31-03-2007, 04:09 PM
I thought homeschooling was now illegal in Malaysia? If it's not, I would be interested to learn more about how you get permission from the MOE.
Cheers,
Ellen

evelynlim
02-04-2007, 03:34 PM
Hi Evelyn, thanks for the info. Is Family Place an education centre? homeschool community? or...?? And, how can I get future notification of events from Family Place?
Family Place is not an educational centre. The founder, Wai Leng actually homeschool her children. I met her once & some other members of the community. I have not been to the website for quite a while , I got the information through email from FamilyPlace. You may actually write to her for more information.
Cheers.

makeupgirl
02-04-2007, 06:37 PM
I thought homeschooling was now illegal in Malaysia? If it's not, I would be interested to learn more about how you get permission from the MOE.
Cheers,
Ellen

Homeschooling is allowed with special permission from the Ministry of Education. The guidelines are still unclear. There has been no legal case thus far.

As for me, because I am a christian, I can register with Grace Resource Centre, a Homeschooling Ministry of Grace Assembly. And I will be using LIFEPAC (Alpha Omega Publications Award-Winning Work Text Curriculum) to teach at home.

emw
05-04-2007, 02:59 PM
Interesting. A real challenge. Good luck! E.

SunwayKid
05-04-2007, 05:42 PM
Homeschooling is allowed with special permission from the Ministry of Education. The guidelines are still unclear. There has been no legal case thus far..........
I could be wrong but as far as I am aware, MOE has not given special permission to anyone. And IMHO, based on what I have seen in the home schooling materials, it is unlikely that approval will be given.

According to the MOE website,
Compulsory education at the primary level is a law that requires parents, as citizens of Malaysia and residing in Malaysia, to register their children at primary schools upon reaching the age of six years. The duration of compulsory education is the same as primary education, that is, six years.

Compulsory education was implemented at the beginning of the school year of 2003 with Year 1 pupils. This policy is aimed at educating parents and society and ensuring that primary education is given to every child. Failure to do so is an offence against the law. If found guilty, parents can be fined not more than RM5000 or jailed not more than 6 months, or both.

makeupgirl
07-04-2007, 12:25 AM
Yeah, I read the website before. The purpose of the policy is to make sure those parents in kampung areas will make the effort to give their children education (because some of them don't bother, and the kids are let running around the hutan).

As for the permission, the Grace Resource Centre did got special arrangement with it. On the other hand, I have a friend whom he individually wanted to get the permission because his family travelling with him very frequently due to his job, and homeschooling is best suit his situation. However, he has been applying before his son started year1, until now he still have not gotten a solid reply... (by the way, his son is studying year6 now. :rolleyes: )

Homeschool is not that new in Malaysia, I know people whom kids have done it, and they have entered University oversea. Currently also seeing quite some young families doing it. Besides, our local papers (NST, star) did interviewed some parents and published their stories. I don't think the reporters will report it if it is something against the law. :)

SunwayKid
07-04-2007, 09:52 AM
Using pirated software at home is illegal under the law. Just because the authorities practices the one eye close concept doesn't make it right. The fact that your friend has not got a postive reply would reaffirm the MOE's policy.

Newspapers published everything that is newsworthy which is why crime, murder and rape always carry the headlines. The fact that something is reported doesn't gazette it as legal.

Anyhow, having seen the home schooling syallabus, I believe it is quite challenging compared against the curriculum the MOE is practicing at primary schools. If the intention is to continue the tertiary education abroad or pursue an overseas degree, it will shave some years off the education years. The downside is that it is likely a one way street and whether MOE will allow one back to the local system should one change their mind or their personal financial situation change - that is a question mark.

kayvee2
07-04-2007, 01:57 PM
Thanks for highlighting FamilyPlace. There are whole of information on homeschooling in Malaysia including a fairly comprehensive FAQ and activities. You will have to, however, sign into MALHEN (follow the link in "home Education" section) to access some if these info. Should you need to talk to us email us personally at info@familyplace.com.my and we can communciate more.

Familyplace updates its site a couple of times each month, you can sign up to receive updates.

Meanwhile, you are welcome to join us this coming Sat, April 14 for our dialogue.

Regards,
KV

makeupgirl
08-04-2007, 07:38 PM
Hope this below abstract from theSun (http://www.thesundaily.com/articlePrint.cfm?id=5988) clear the doubt:

The biggest setback to the home-schooling movement is an amendment to the Education Act 1996, which came into effect in year 2003, requiring compulsory education for Malaysian children aged six onwards.

Compulsory education is defined as primary education and exemptions from it are made at the discretion of the education minister on a case-by-case basis.

Contravention of the law is punishable by way of a RM5,000 fine or imprisonment up to six months or both. However, since the law came into effect 2003, only children below that age would be affected.

In response to queries from theSun, the Ministry of Education says since the amendment to the Education Act came into effect, within year 2004, there have been 27 applications, out of which 19 were given conditional approval.

Eight cases were rejected due to the lack of basis for home schooling. The ministry says primary schooling is compulsory to ensure that no child is left behind in receiving an education, especially the poor.

The ministry says exceptions have been made for those suffering from dyslexia, hyperactivity and short attention span, autism, Prader-Willi syndrome, as well as those who are develop-mentally delayed with some autistic characteristics.

Families who travel regularly due to a parentís work and whose children may find it challenging fitting into a conventional school system have also been given exemptions.

In almost all cases, a psychology assessment is required to justify keeping the child out of a conventional school.

Proponents of home schooling, however, say even in the absence of specific learning difficulties, there is nothing wrong or illegal with parents teaching their children.

Compulsory education is a childís right. Parents have to support this and the ministry has to support the fact that parents know a child from birth and have their interests at heart.

Whether home schooling is good or bad depends on the family. We have to see home schooling in the context of parenting education and the quality of education in general. Itís a complex issue.

There is a place for conventional schooling because not every parent can home school but with globalisation, we need to have the option of alternative methods of teaching and home schooling is an option.

Besides, a copy of the Education Act 1996 can be found at http://www.parlimen.gov.my/actindexbi/pdf/ACT-550.pdf

makeupgirl
08-04-2007, 08:16 PM
Additional info in theSun article -
http://www.thesundaily.com/articlePrint.cfm?id=5988:

In a written response to theSun, the Ministry of Education says the following factors will be considered in applications for exemptions from compulsory education

-The parents' and child's nationality and residence status;
-Whether the child has registered in a school;
-Reasons for requiring home schooling;
-The parents' ability to home school;
-The suitability of the home-schooling plan devised by the parents, and
-The curriculum, timetable and methods of assessment used.

Conditional approval will be given once the minister is satisfied that the factors above have been met. The conditions include:

-The number of years exempted;
-The use of the KBSR curriculum; and
-Allowing an officer from the ministry to monitor the progress.

Applications, inclusive of relevant forms and documents, should be submitted to:
Pengarah, Bahagian Perancangan dan Penyelidikan Dasar Pendidikan
Kementerian Pelajaran Malaysia
Paras 2, 3 & 5, Blok J
Pusat Bandar Damansara
50604 Kuala Lumpur

SunwayKid
08-04-2007, 08:55 PM
Aiyoh, if one needs to quote an Act to sound genuine, at the very least, quote the correct one. The Education (Ammendment) Act 2002 has superceeded that. In 2002, the compulsory education law was passed.

For exemption to be granted by the MOE for home-schooling, there are 3 main conditions to be fulfilled.

1. The child must be exceptionally gifted or intellectually or physically disabled and the primary schools cannot meet this need.
2. Family members travel abroad frequently.
3. Parents must ensure that they follow the national syllabus. (this is why I highlight that most homeschooling syallabus will not meet this condition).

Most parents who homeschool chose not to go through this tedious process as it is likely you will get a warning letter on why your child is not at school when you apply and risk being taken to Court.

Don't get me wrong - I think homeschooling is great and should be an option for parents; just like in Thailand and Singapore. It is the myths and the self-denials, and of course, the hearsay that it is absolutely legal and getting approval is one-eye closed in Bolehland that must be addressed.

Oh, and by the way, if anyone is interested in applying, the correct MOE address is as follows:-

Aras 2, Blok E2,
Kompleks Kerajaan Parcel E,
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan
62604 PUTRAJAYA

makeupgirl
09-04-2007, 06:27 PM
Thank you for your updated info, SunwayKid. I am sorry for the outdated info that I provided in my previous 2 posts. They were taken from a section of the article itself. As for the Education Act, nothing about wanting to "sound genuine" lar... I thought it was helpful since I found it being mentioned in the article :p

Yes, there is no try-try, either you do it or don't. Besides, there should be a strong reason/purpose behind to support it... for at least, say, 12 years? :rolleyes: Well, I think is best for the parents to at least make an effort to register yourself with any approved institute (and follow their syallabus) or apply to MOE (for a peace of mind?). Another link found ==> http://allmalaysia.info/news/story.asp?file=/2005/5/6/people/10786170&sec=mi_people

ahtal68
11-04-2007, 03:50 AM
How would the MOE know if you are haven't registered your child into Yr One at any local schools?
Do they have some kind of monitoring system in place?

I don't think so, my son was sick for two weeks at the beginning of his Year One school term, I did not inform the school and they did even bother to send any notification.
No one bothered to check and see why a child who was registered in the school did not appear in class for 2 weeks.

I mean if you do decide to homeschool your child, and at the end of the day, the homeschooling course leads to 'O' / 'A' levels or SAT exams, is it not then we, register only with the authorities that conduct these exams as private candidates?

So, why then do we need to register our children as homeschoolers with MOE?

makeupgirl
12-04-2007, 04:32 PM
How would the MOE know if you are haven't registered your child into Yr One at any local schools?
Do they have some kind of monitoring system in place?

So, why then do we need to register our children as homeschoolers with MOE?

I guess they do not monitor. In my opinion, to register or making the effort to apply is just to give the parents a peace of mind. A paper (registration/approval) in hand can take off the pressure coming from those who don't understand homeschool. Along the way, maybe homeschool can be officially recognised when many fight for it, or become popular later... :)

SunwayKid
12-04-2007, 05:47 PM
So, why then do we need to register our children as homeschoolers with MOE?

If one is registered for primary school and simultaneously does home schooling, there is no need for MOE's approval. Nevertherless, if one intend to do home schooling in place of primary schools, the law states that you need to seek approval from MOE. Of course, for the gungho, who don't understand the law, they can always choose to ignore this requirement and guess that the system will not be able to detect it.

AFAIK, the approvals granted so far for home schooling are mainly for the disabled where facilities for their education are not readily available and they still follow the KBSR curriculum at home. One may argue that neither do our current education system caters for gifted children but that is another thread.

makeupgirl
20-08-2007, 12:21 PM
Recently a homeschool friend informimg me to check out the Jusco Preal Magazine (July07 issue). She said there is an article about homeschool in malaysia, and it stated that homeschool is legal and approved by MOE. Anyone has that article with them or seen/read the article? (I checked jusco online but it is not in e-form :( )

makeupgirl
25-04-2011, 10:08 AM
Hi everyone, it's been a while...

I am now letting my daughter going to primary school, but at the same time also exploring teaching something extra/different during after school time.

I am currently exploring the topics in this site http://www.khanacademy.org/

This guy in US started by helping his cousin homework at another state... then it benefited many other people... recently Bill Gates also credited his clips because Gates used it to teach his kid before.

More intorduction to this concept is at this video clip (http://youtu.be/gM95HHI4gLk)