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FreeThinker
20-03-2007, 10:43 AM
All our present gov. cares nowadays is to roll out Large scale projects as opposed to our PM's pledge not to do so in the future. Hmmm....I guess he is now not anymore in control huh?

But the question is actually this - do you really need a porsche if your road condition is not even suitable for use for passenger cars? can you run at 250km/h if you have cracks, potholes, etc. on the road?

Read here:
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=72

I guess it is not about the feasibility or whether it will become white elephant, but only becuase of potential "tendang-belakang" that some of those sitting on top will get, ain't it?

jianna
20-03-2007, 12:41 PM
France's TGV "bullet train" runs at a top speed of 320km/hr!

Of course, it has the necessary supporting infrastructure - tracks, signalling systems, computerised controls etc.

That's Msia for you - thinking only 1-2 years down the road (pump priming before the next GE?) - not the 15-25 years timeframe used here in Spore!

Z Ibrahim's (now is that lawyer and Umno maverick Zaid Ibrahim?) has an excellent letter on the proposed double tracking project - it was published in the New Straits Times, The Star and malaysiakini.com.

malaysiakini.com?????

AllUrban
21-03-2007, 11:18 AM
that was an excellent and thoughtful letter...

alot of countries have had trouble when reinvesting in their rail infrastructure....it is a very costly, long term, capital investment.

The double tracking project in itself is a wise idea...and the expansion of rail must take place to balance out the huge expansion of roads, highways, and expressways. Total investment in roads in this country must be over 50 billion....in the past 20 years

19 toll expressways together cost 20 billion to build, with annual maintenance costs of 500 million per year....and the concessionaires have collected RM 26 billion together (since PLUS appeared in 1988).....

and that does not include new expressways like the Gutherie corridor or the planned NEW New Klang Valley Expressway (NNKVE) or the Damanasara-Ulu Klang Expressway (DUKE)...or the untolled expressways...and super fast roads

ZI is right...rail investment is important, but it should be done correctly and wisely....so they should use standard gauge...over the narrow 1m gauge....

Consider...The KLIA express train (standard gauge, 1.435m) takes 28 minutes to travel from KL Sentral to KLIA.

The KTM Komuter from Seremban takes 1 hour to get to KL Sentral. The KTM Komuter express (non-stop) takes 45 minutes! Not much saving of time there
because of the narrow gauge....

but on the other hand...KTM service problems are because passenger trains must make way for freights...so the double tracking project...will improve service....in that respect....

One thing they can do is have mixed gauges....3 rails, with the second rail 1m from the first, and the third rail 1.435m from the first...it has been done before....


Cheers, m

ksj_cool
21-03-2007, 04:44 PM
When I wnet to Ipoh recently, the double tracking project was the talk of the town. I was told that many poeple who are working in KL are planning to move back to their home town, as they con travel up and down everyday using the bullet train. When I checked the web I could not find any mention of a bullet trains service from north to KL. Anyone knows anything about this?

isarahim
21-03-2007, 04:53 PM
Wow, I hadn't realised they're building this on narrowtrack.... That's plain stupid!

Maybe we can entice tourists with our new model railway.... Merklin, Fleischmann, eat yer hearts out!

Our's is scale 1.4:1....

firefox
21-03-2007, 05:11 PM
RM 9 Billion Double Tracking Project - Does it even make sense?

No it does not make sense but it would make cents and dollars to whoever gets the contract.

orchipalar
21-03-2007, 05:15 PM
One thing they can do is have mixed gauges....3 rails, with the second rail 1m from the first, and the third rail 1.435m from the first...it has been done before....Err buddy...would that require sophisticated track-width switching devices...(or telescopic axles n boogies) fitted to the trains...or tracks...?

Nowiam
22-03-2007, 09:30 AM
Err buddy...would that require sophisticated track-width switching devices...(or telescopic axles n boogies) fitted to the trains...or tracks...?

Orchi, you get a good explanation and pictures here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_gauge

Trust that helps you to picture the idea.

Regards

AllUrban
22-03-2007, 10:38 AM
Err buddy...would that require sophisticated track-width switching devices...(or telescopic axles n boogies) fitted to the trains...or tracks...?Orchi, the main challenge would be the installation of the tracks and the connection to the sleepers...current sleepers and the railbeds will be too narrow to add the 3rd rail....

Implementing dual gauge track...isnt going to happen anytime soon (if ever)....because KTM would have to replace the sleepers and install rail throughout the country...that would take a long time...and I think that KTM has already started a project to convert from wooden to concrete sleepers...so all of those narrow sleepers have to be used up (or, I suppose, they could be used as kerbstones)....

If anything happens, it will be in the Klang Valley before anywhere else...and you can bet it will involve YTL.

http://teresakok.com/2007/03/20/par...-costs/#respond

considering the amount of money that has been spent on roadway and expressway construction, expansion and maintenance since 1988 when the PLUS highway opened....not including the new highways on the way....

.......which Im sure could easily top RM60 billion...and that is my most conservative guess-timate!......

In the face of that much money, what is 9 billion for a double tracking project that will provide immediate improvements to the railway system...improve passenger rail in the west coast of peninsular Malaysia...and take more goods off the highways thanks to improvements in freight service?

Cheers, m

orchipalar
22-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Orchi, you get a good explanation and pictures here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_gaugeErr...thanks buddy! that figures.

So...additional track(s) running parallel and sophisticated n safe track monitoring/switching system...would have to be incorporated into the existing rail line...to accommodate future/faster train coaches what runs on wider tracks....

Ahem...it is without doubts that an efficient railway system is most efficient to convey large volume of goods and passengers economically n safely...

Besides being a safer mode of land transport system than by the road transport ...an efficient railway system...is also more environmental n ecological friendly...less energy...less noise...less damages n less wastages.