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orchipalar
17-03-2007, 08:59 PM
Err...while tourists arrivals drops...Malaysia's Tourism Minister is busy cracking unfounded accusations...which he later referred to as jokes... (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=17380)n subsequently busy also claiming that the medias misquoted what he said previously...

Now he reports that while the tourists arrivals from Singapore n Indonesia have increased...by a certain percentage as compared with last year's statistics...tourists from Thailand has fallen behind blaming few reasons...ranging from unrest n bombing incidents in the southern Thailand...n flooding in Johor...so on n so forth...

What a load of freaking jokes could he be referring to this time...?

Why have Malaysians spent multi millions to promote Visit Malaysia Year 2007...when he being the Tourism Minister is only talking about statistics of tourists arrivals from these Asean countries...which are our close neighbours...?

Whatever happens to the tourists arrivals statistics...from other countries such as those from the Middle East(where the bulk of the funds is spent)...Europe...USA...Australia...Japan...Korea. ..China n Taiwan...etc.etc.etc...whom are traditionally 'bigger spenders' filling up the abundance of empty seats in Malaysian airlines' flights...occupying the vast numbers of available n relatively cheaper hotel rooms...patronizing the vast numbers of modern shopping complexes...n thousands of restaurants that offer rich cultural culinary heritage...?

n whatever happens to those millions of tourists who are fond of visiting Tropical Malaysian sights n scenaries to begin with...??

Why does he keep on stressing the freaking statistics from amongst our close neighbours...n whom is he referring to...? The bigger spending holiday makers...or those multi millions of our neighbours who also includes those from Vietnam...Philippines...Myanmar...or Bangladesh...that have been flocking in n out of Malaysia seeking for labour works opportunities...n fortunes from Malaysia...instead??? (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Saturday/National/20070317080221/Article/local1_html)

hhtee
18-03-2007, 12:40 AM
orchi, have you tried searching in the KL multi-million toilets? some tourist might be inside. :D

they may also be in some shops trying out bulletproof and C4-bomb proof helmets, purchasing Mat Rempit Kap Chais, and trying to catch 30 snatch thieves, so that they will get a free motorcycle :D

scorgio
18-03-2007, 01:31 AM
Perhaps the minister should take a stroll (on foot) in Bangkok or Hanoi or Bali/Phuket.

They don't organize any VISIT WHAT campaigns. But they're loaded with tourists, mostly foreign & not just neighbouring countries.

kaym
18-03-2007, 05:20 PM
*yawn*

Complain, complain. Nothing constructive.

hhtee
18-03-2007, 05:36 PM
it's sometimes necessary to complain or else we will not improve.

well, as for statistics, I m not sure how it was arrived at. but do know that statistics are just numbers.

for instance, if 1 million foreigners, due to business trip and another million are married to locals, one department could "juggle" and say, "there are 2 million foreigners . then when the info gets passed down 2 another department, maybe some wisebguy will change it to therE r 2 million tourists

cskok8
18-03-2007, 07:58 PM
Don't forget the millions of Singaporeans who allegedly entered Malaysia and did not leave. :D

isarahim
19-03-2007, 02:08 AM
Complain, complain. Nothing constructive.
Hmmm....ever heard of recursivity?

isarahim
19-03-2007, 02:09 AM
Don't forget the millions of Singaporeans who allegedly entered Malaysia and did not leave.
And Indos, who allegedly loved Malaysia so much that they easily became Malaysians....

Rocky19
19-03-2007, 02:33 AM
And Indos, who allegedly loved Malaysia so much that they easily became Malaysians....and do they have more rights than the Malaysians who have been here before them?


anyway after our minister accuse women from Indonesia as liars...not sure how many may have been changed they plans cos of him. Minister of Tourism is suppose to encourage people to come to Malaysia. But seems he is doing otherwise....great job Mr.Minister...BN Boleh!!! So don't expect much but year end stats will show that he has done his job as it will show an increase in tourist numbers. :eek:

orchipalar
19-03-2007, 05:22 PM
Err buddies...from the feedbacks Orchi received from friends in the retail outlets of major shopping complexes...Cetral Market n Petaling Street in around Kuala Lumpur...they have experienced a noticeable drop in tourist numbers visiting those areas...

Is there anyone working in the hotel industry...who might be able to inform whether or not...the hotel rooms occupancy rate has been dropping or increasing since early this year...as compared with the previous years...?

What's happening?

Does anyone know why has Malaysia been falling short so far of receiving the expected numbers of tourists arrivals which was targeted to be 2 millions tourists monthly...or 25 millions for 2007...by the Tourism Ministry?

What happened to those millions of tourists who likes to escape their cold or harsh winters in their respective countries annually...to travel to tropical sunshine Malaysia...n where have they gone to instead...?

RobotdeNiro
19-03-2007, 08:57 PM
Bangkok sucks tourists away from Malaysia bigtime.

hhtee
19-03-2007, 11:46 PM
very "good" choice of word robot!

maybe some one wanna make the rest of people think that their department is doing very good job by showing that their is increase in tourist

gtl
19-03-2007, 11:55 PM
malaysia forget abt competition from other more attractive countries, we are flogging an old horse - what do we have to offer??
tourist money are very fluid and moves, we need to catch the wave with new attractions and continue to reinvent oneself to remain competitive.
example, singapore - try to get a hotel room now, you most likely be shock with the occupancy levels.

wait till singapore get F1, we will be in for more shocks, believe me!!

doggyjames
19-03-2007, 11:59 PM
of course thailand n sg sucks tourist away...msia is simply too freaking hard to have a good time!!!

see,talk about attractions first...lets start with natural resourses. thailand have some many beautiful islands n the forest areas along mekong is FANSTATIC...msian island are good as well but simply not good enough (feels like rubbish bin the last time i visited perhentian...my aust friends were freaking dissapointed)
shopping:starhill vs.orchard road?erm noneed me to explain bu i know which country have better shopping facilities

laws:its impossible to have a decent night life here...espeacially with the gov not willing to let lose of the current night life laws...bars closed around 12am unless u have special license?come on gimme a break!!!
sg has geylang...tahiland has..erm...thailand...msia?got but u'll get busted 1out of 2 times if u go find red light district stuff...really tourists like this kinda stuff and it IS a proven tourist attraction...

more n more n more n more...rather talk than write...

the best is whats on the papers this morning...national museum closed down for renovation until almost the end of 2007???and its the 1st time the museum had a reno in 45 years..45!!!y must waited till visit msia 2007???no one needs a phD in history to know NOT to close down the museum during 2007!!!

really...msia is one of the nest places in the world...but everyone needs to make more effort to attract more tourist!!!yes that means the gov...tourism board...private businesses...thieves(wait till after 2007 then go rob overseas tourists la)...and YOU!!!

hhtee
20-03-2007, 08:42 AM
yes. the keyword here is attraction. if there is no attraction, then there will be no generation of tourist. Of course some spots like beaches, are okay. But the cleanliness need to be upkept. not to see rubbish floating while one is scuba diving or swimming.

I think more money spend on keeping the beaches clean and perserving them is better than spending the money on some automated toilet.

and yes it is ironic that during the year 2007 that the National Museum is closed for renovation. If it were a small fry museum, then it's still ok. But it's the NATIONAL museum which represents "Malaysia". I wonder who on earth suggested closing it for renovation!

kelvinwkw
20-03-2007, 09:26 AM
Maybe those potential read this news.

All Internet bloggers are liars, 80% are unemployed women

they laugh until cannot tahan, send to ward oledi...

Sugarfree
20-03-2007, 09:36 AM
Bangkok sucks tourists away from Malaysia bigtime.Sounds like about right! ;)

hhtee
20-03-2007, 09:52 AM
:mad:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/3/20/nation/17190617&sec=nation

Can you bloodily imagine some dog catchers who have the nerve to pick up a puppy by one leg, then throw it on the floor ?

that's visit malaysia year guys. Come let your kids be traumatised by seeing dog catchers kill dogs. YES. it will serve as a lasting long memory.

Kiwi
20-03-2007, 10:35 AM
National Museum will be closed for her 1st renovation after 45 years? What a 'coincident' that the renovation period is to fix during Visit Malaysia Year 2007!!! This is really a funny joke … :)

Another funny joke is our 'The Eye on Malaysia', series of problems kept on appeared, no enough ticket counter during peak hour larr… Toilet dirty larr… I personally fell shy when ppl EYE on me for these negative news. :o

Just to ask, anyone can name us numbers of FRESH & SPECIAL events gonna be held during this Visit Malaysia Year 2007 to promote our country? Formula 1, Sales Carnival, Le Tour de Langkawi, LIMO….? All are old stories/ classic songs already. If our own citizens also hardly can name it few, I’m so curious how could the program being succeed??? :confused:

jianna
20-03-2007, 12:54 PM
Interesting.

Can someone tell me what are the "fresh" "new" tourist attractions in places like HK, Spore, Thailand, Japan, India, Australia, the UK, Canada and the US?

Spore? Let's see now - the Great Spore Sale, Womad, music performances at the Esplanade, clubbing at MOS and Zouk, the Night Safari, Duckboat cruises, Little India, Chinatown, gourmet food festivals? All repeated year after year. Been there, done that!

AllUrban
21-03-2007, 11:40 AM
Interesting.

Can someone tell me what are the "fresh" "new" tourist attractions in places like HK, Spore, Thailand, Japan, India, Australia, the UK, Canada and the US?

Spore? Let's see now - the Great Spore Sale, Womad, music performances at the Esplanade, clubbing at MOS and Zouk, the Night Safari, Duckboat cruises, Little India, Chinatown, gourmet food festivals? All repeated year after year. Been there, done that!but isnt that the point...more people will go to Singapore to be there and do that...and they may choose to go back and do that again...even though they've been there....

How many of these VMY tourists will revisit Malaysia?

Cheers, m

hhtee
21-03-2007, 04:22 PM
Interesting.

Can someone tell me what are the "fresh" "new" tourist attractions in places like HK, Spore, Thailand, Japan, India, Australia, the UK, Canada and the US?

Spore? Let's see now - the Great Spore Sale, Womad, music performances at the Esplanade, clubbing at MOS and Zouk, the Night Safari, Duckboat cruises, Little India, Chinatown, gourmet food festivals? All repeated year after year. Been there, done that!

In Hong Kong, they have mouse that walks on two legs. It's called Mickey Mouse. The wife of it is called Minnie Mouse. They also have ducks that walk on two legs!!! It's called Donald Duck. All these are housed in a place called Disneyland.

isarahim
21-03-2007, 04:29 PM
They also have ducks that walk on two legs!!!
So what? We have a PM who sleeps on two legs....

....!tohstop !tohstop !tohstop....

firefox
21-03-2007, 04:47 PM
...but where are the "tourists"??? saw a dozen of them this morning at Low Yat Plaza trying to buy something under the table i suppose.

usj18leong
21-03-2007, 05:20 PM
My friends from Germany told me that there is nothing very special in Malaysia's tourist spots. They are not likely to come back in 10 years time.

expat1609
21-03-2007, 10:37 PM
hey guys, there was one tourist spotted on the twin towers, 60th floor and outside.
they were so happy to find one that they keep him for a while now :D

USJ27Resident
21-03-2007, 10:44 PM
Interesting.

Can someone tell me what are the "fresh" "new" tourist attractions?!

Sorry :o but don't wanna sound rude but - Seems the so called "fresh" & "new" tourist attractions here are being RAIDED by JAIS, JAWI, RELA, IMIGRESEN and SKODENG squads...

Then sometimes these Govt agencies GOOF (sic!) and raid the tourist instead... :p ( headlines: foreign news papers only! )

kwchang
22-03-2007, 12:26 AM
..They also have ducks that walk on two legs!!!...

Huh? Please show me a duck that does not walk on 2 legs? :confused:

jianna
22-03-2007, 11:56 AM
but isnt that the point...more people will go to Singapore to be there and do that...and they may choose to go back and do that again...even though they've been there....

How many of these VMY tourists will revisit Malaysia?

Cheers, m

Not really. Take it from one who has contacts in the Spore airline and tourism industries. Otherwise, why should Spore be so keen to remake itself into a "global city" and a hub for companies and talent from all over the world?

And without the casinos, how many would be bothered to make a repeat visit to Spore's integrated resorts?

Now, if Spore clinches the rights to host a F1 race - that would be a different ballgame! ;)

gtl
22-03-2007, 02:56 PM
Security and good public transport are two major points for tourist. singapore is very safe while having a world class public transport systems. while malaysia do not have both of them..........unfortunately.

expat1609
22-03-2007, 04:23 PM
from my point of view, singapore is not worth a second visit (in my case it was not worth the first).
maybe i have seen too much of the local culture in malaysia before i went to singapore for the first time. so it was not that "exotic flair" for me, but western foreigners will have and enjoy that.
but after spending one week there, what else to see there on a second visit???
and to be honest, compared to the beaches in malaysia, aquaria klcc and many more, singapore sucks big time !!!!
most tourist attractions there disappointing, e.g. sentosa island, but double the price :cool:

USJ27Resident
22-03-2007, 10:53 PM
Guys... you got to read this (http://maverickid.blogspot.com/2007/01/malaysia-tourism-board-disappointing.html)

Malu.... :o

This is what happens when this Jabba the Hut wannabe becomes the Minister for Tourism.... Please bring back Mr. Bow Tie.... at least that fella knows what to do...

Teeque
23-03-2007, 03:23 AM
Out of all this, DiscoverMalaysia (http://www.discovermalaysia.biz/) emerged. whether this will make it to our local screens or not will hv to be seen. lets hope discovery or NG will pick this up...

jianna
23-03-2007, 08:38 AM
50% of Malaysia's tourism traffic originates from Spore!

Fiction? Nope, fact!

Looks like your Tourism Minister has a ways to go..............

No open skies, no increase in tourists. Fact of life.

Safe, secure environment? Yup, another requirement.

Incidentally, what's with the human waste that mars that big ferris wheel thingy in KL (The Eye, or whatever they call it)? Its enough to make you wanna puke. Where are the cleaners?

expat1609
23-03-2007, 08:55 AM
Cleaners???? in malaysia????? got such thing, really??? :p

orchipalar
24-03-2007, 12:49 PM
Err buddies...so politician talks cheap...despite knowing ONLY how to spend multi millions of rakyats' $$$...

The once beautiful n challenging tourist attractions n eco system continues to be raped...!

The Public effectiveness n efficiency of transport systems...have been degrading instead of improving...!

The charm n innocence of Malaysian people...is fast disappearing...!

The country is no longer 'peaceful'...the crime rates are rising...! with increasing illegal immigrants(so called visitors) 'contributing' to the major cause of which...

What does Malaysia have remaining to offer...?

Cheap n abundance of hotel accommodations...

A shopping paradise? Plentiful of Handicrafts...(likely to be made in China).

firefox
24-03-2007, 01:01 PM
i saw a group of tourists enjoying bak kut teh in SS14 the other day must have walked from Sheraton..how the heck do they know how to eat Bak kut Teh!!

expat1609
24-03-2007, 02:11 PM
Err buddies...so politician talks cheap...despite knowing ONLY how to spend multi millions of rakyats' $$$...

The once beautiful n challenging tourist attractions n eco system continues to be raped...!

The Public effectiveness n efficiency of transport systems...have been degrading instead of improving...!

The charm n innocence of Malaysian people...is fast disappearing...!

The country is no longer 'peaceful'...the crime rates are rising...! with increasing illegal immigrants(so called visitors) 'contributing' to the major cause of which...

What does Malaysia have remaining to offer...?

Cheap n abundance of hotel accommodations...

A shopping paradise? Plentiful of Handicrafts...(likely to be made in China).
sad but true....and more n more areas really stink, the rubbish dumb called "drain" cant take it anymore....and i keep wondering, does nobody care to live in a big smelly rubbish environment?

orchipalar
24-03-2007, 10:59 PM
Err buddies...please correct Orchi if wrong...

Every weekends...heard there would be as many as 1/2 dozens of flights by AirAsia alone to Bangkok...n another 1/2 dozens of flights to various destinations in Thailand...such as Phuket...ChiangMai...etc etc...per day.

But the bigger volume of passengers seems to be bound for destinations in Thailand...n the flights arriving to KLIA...n Penang from Thailand...are not as full...

Can that be possible...?

Raikonen
25-03-2007, 12:06 AM
What is there to visit in Msia? Nothing at all. I have asked all my aussies frens to skip bolehland and head to Thai instead.

isarahim
25-03-2007, 12:19 AM
I'd estimate that once upon a time, 70% of all the world's diving clubs had a picture of Sipadan on their wall.

Since all their alliance clubs on the island have now been eradicated by government decree and since the island has now been destroyed, those pictures are not there anymore.

Visit Malaysia 2007.

trifecta
25-03-2007, 01:21 AM
My friends from Germany told me that there is nothing very special in Malaysia's tourist spots. They are not likely to come back in 10 years time.

Thats too bad usj18leong, but on the flipside I do have several colleagues from that same country who cant get enough of Malaysia. Come the holidays they take every chance they get to explore evey nook and cranny. It's not just tourists spots some of them managed to take part in water rafting and some stake out new hiking and moutain biking trails in places which i didnt even know existed :eek:

But i do agree our VM2007 does seem to lack a bit of oohhmpp

pcyeoh
25-03-2007, 12:10 PM
Our government is spending averagely RM 4,850 per NS trainee every year and it benefited only a handful of people. Even the parents and many of the 80,000+ trainees are complaining. I am one of them who were so unlucky to have two of my kids picked. But can you imagine if we channel this money and say sponsored 160,000 tourists and bring them here, just think of the multiplier effects to the hospitality sector in particular and the whole economy in general in short term and long term.

Raikonen
25-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Our government is spending averagely RM 4,850 per NS trainee every year and it benefited only a handful of people. Even the parents and many of the 80,000+ trainees are complaining. I am one of them who were so unlucky to have two of my kids picked. But can you imagine if we channel this money and say sponsored 160,000 tourists and bring them here, just think of the multiplier effects to the hospitality sector in particular and the whole economy in general in short term and long term.

It is not how the $$$ is spent that the politicians are concerned. They are more concerned that THE MONEY goes into their pockets.

kwchang
25-03-2007, 07:29 PM
It is not how the $$$ is spent that the politicians are concerned. They are more concerned that THE MONEY goes into their pockets.
Uh-oh, that is seriously a defamation of character !

What proof have you got to say the NS will line the pockets of whom the politician(s) may be? Unless you have such backup, please do not make sweeping statements like that. I would not be surprised if the political parties do read this forum. I will not defend anyone because everyone is accountable and responsible for what was said.

Raikonen
25-03-2007, 08:32 PM
Uh-oh, that is seriously a defamation of character !

What proof have you got to say the NS will line the pockets of whom the politician(s) may be? Unless you have such backup, please do not make sweeping statements like that. I would not be surprised if the political parties do read this forum. I will not defend anyone because everyone is accountable and responsible for what was said.

I stand by what i say and u be consistent when you pick on ppl. Dun be a naive alice in bolehland.

USJ27Resident
26-03-2007, 02:07 AM
It is not how the $$$ is spent that the politicians are concerned. They are more concerned that THE MONEY goes into their pockets.

I would believe Raikonen is trying to point out that these politicians involved/concerned with the NS are highly capable of doing something of this nature (CBT)... since the figures are huge.

Just because their are in high office - do you think they (or their relatives) would not succumb to being tempted to make a commission on the side.... :rolleyes:

yankeat
26-03-2007, 10:40 AM
I was back from Pune (a town west on the of Mumbai), India. I could see Visit Malaysia 2007 posters in most of the tour agencies there. Even when I talked to local Indians in lift, when they know I'm from Malaysia they said "Oh, I know Malaysia. I saw the advertisement on TV. It's a beautiful country".

I must say government did quite a good job doing promotions. But where are the Indian tourists, I have no idea.

cutebanana
26-03-2007, 07:47 PM
went to Genting Highland last weekend, apparently the Indian tourists all went there too

orchipalar
26-03-2007, 10:28 PM
went to Genting Highland last weekend, apparently the Indian tourists all went there tooErr buddies...speaking of which...has anyone wondered how Genting Highland has been one of the few top tourist attractions remaining in this tropical sunshine country...?

Ahem...apart from it being 1st class maintained n upgraded...it has not been hit by high crime rates...that leaves the tourists feeling safe...

It is but one of the rare tourists attractions in Malaysia...where one could take out n carry along his or her precious jewelry...cash n highly priced personal possessions with...err...to show off.

AllUrban
27-03-2007, 10:16 AM
It is but one of the rare tourists attractions in Malaysia...where one could take out n carry along his or her precious jewelry...cash n highly priced personal possessions with...err...to show off.methinks this is because there are so many people...doing the same thing...so the chance of crime is a lot less....

and obviously the security at the casinos must be high.......

what I never liked seeing is the children left alone at the entrance to the casinos...that is a crime as well.

Cheers, m

hhtee
03-05-2007, 12:08 PM
The tourists are in other countries because

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/3/nation/17614519&sec=nation

a) our cabs overcharge them
b) our cabs are stinking
c) our cab drivers have poor knowledge
d) our cab drivers are not friendly

These are the image the Arabs have on our cabs / drivers.

Our tourism Minister was left red face! WHY the red face?

He should have forseen this before implementing Visit Malaysia!

Look at our bus stops. Some bus stops do not even have a bus stop sign!!!

In order to prevent the red face syndrome, then either

a) Don't have Visit Malaysia

or

b) rather than spending money improving roads prior to by-election, improve public transport, send taxi drivers to gain more knowledge on malaysia, have massive loads of brouchres on malaysia, have websites on malaysia, improve bus, publish in magazines on malaysia, etc.

i think the easier option would be a)

chookyan
03-05-2007, 12:40 PM
The tourists are in other countries because

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/3/nation/17614519&sec=nation

a) our cabs overcharge them
b) our cabs are stinking
c) our cab drivers have poor knowledge
d) our cab drivers are not friendly

These are the image the Arabs have on our cabs / drivers.

Our tourism Minister was left red face! WHY the red face?

He should have forseen this before implementing Visit Malaysia!

Look at our bus stops. Some bus stops do not even have a bus stop sign!!!

In order to prevent the red face syndrome, then either

a) Don't have Visit Malaysia

or

b) rather than spending money improving roads prior to by-election, improve public transport, send taxi drivers to gain more knowledge on malaysia, have massive loads of brouchres on malaysia, have websites on malaysia, improve bus, publish in magazines on malaysia, etc.

i think the easier option would be a)

It makes me sick to read the papers that the government is spending $$$ on Arab tourist when there is always claims that there is no budget even for patching potholes. What about us the local tourists??? Not important.....

penangkia
03-05-2007, 12:41 PM
Yet another minister shows their lot is either blind or brain dead. The bolehland "Taxi Nightmare" is everywhere and have be complained and brought up '00s of times by locals and foreigners in newspapers and the internet for years. What did they do ?
Now the master arabs speak up...suddenly he gets all excited , red face etc etc... :rolleyes: front page "news" as if this taxi thingy is news at all.

So, next time Malaysians have a problem with any local state of affairs...go talk to the arabs...they will tell our gomen what to do. :rolleyes:

hhtee
03-05-2007, 12:44 PM
It makes me sick to read the papers that the government is spending $$$ on Arab tourist when there is always claims that there is no budget even for patching potholes. What about us the local tourists??? Not important.....
well, perhaps they have a funny way to run things!!!

when they don't see local tourists in malaysia, they will ask malaysians leaving malaysia to fill in a form asking the reason why they are leaving malaysia!!!

so many other things are run this way. another example, then they notice that lots of lecturers are fleeing to Singapore, lots of brainy people working overseas, etc. the government will implement brain gain programs.

it's like, burning the bridges before crossing it and knowing that they need to cross the bridge NOW, they build another bridge

hhtee
03-05-2007, 12:46 PM
Yet another minister shows their lot is either blind or brain dead. The bolehland "Taxi Nightmare" is everywhere and have be complained and brought up '00s of times by locals and foreigners in newspapers and the internet for years. What did they do ?
Now the master arabs speak up...suddenly he gets all excited , red face etc etc... :rolleyes: front page "news" as if this taxi thingy is news at all.

So, next time Malaysians have a problem with any local state of affairs...go talk to the arabs...they will tell our gomen what to do. :rolleyes:

yalor yalor.... just talk to the arabs....

even that Mat Salleh are not respected!!! (remember the couple who was disturbed in the middle of the night by the religious commando squad in Kedah) ?

isarahim
03-05-2007, 12:58 PM
If you wanna see the most stinkingly filthy Malaysian "icon", visit Tanjong Pagar railway station in Singapore.

Some recent observations:

- The place hasn't had a cleaning for at least 20 years. If it wasn't for the hundreds of people waiting for delayed trains with no place to sit, one would think this is an abandoned ruin.

- Walls, windows, doors, lightswitches are painted with a layer of greasy dirt.

- Posters, various obsolete messages and warning signs, have yellowed and faded to the point of unreadability.

- People are treated like cattle, held behind grates.

- The place is enormously hot, and people are expected to sit for hours waiting without any aircon, and all but a very few also without seats.

- Filthy toilets stink of urine some 50 yards away, and even though it's now taken as normal for train departures to be 2-4 hours late, they still charge for toilet!!!

I only found two new things since I visited the place 15 years ago:

- The excuse for delayed train is now part of the standard taped message played out in cracked loudspeakers and barely audible.

- KTM has taped (!!!) their own logo on some standard Visit Malaysia 2007 posters, seemingly place there out of pure mockery. Those posters are still relatively clean, their whiteness contrasting awfully to the yellowish/brownish dirt of the rest of the place.

sirgalahad2010
03-05-2007, 01:15 PM
If you wanna see the most stinkingly filthy Malaysian "icon", visit Tanjong Pagar railway station in Singapore.

Some recent observations:

- The place hasn't had a cleaning for at least 20 years. If it wasn't for the hundreds of people waiting for delayed trains with no place to sit, one would think this is an abandoned ruin.

- Walls, windows, doors, lightswitches are painted with a layer of greasy dirt.

- Posters, various obsolete messages and warning signs, have yellowed and faded to the point of unreadability.

- People are treated like cattle, held behind grates.

- The place is enormously hot, and people are expected to sit for hours waiting without any aircon, and all but a very few also without seats.

- Filthy toilets stink of urine some 50 yards away, and even though it's now taken as normal for train departures to be 2-4 hours late, they still charge for toilet!!!

I only found two new things since I visited the place 15 years ago:

- The excuse for delayed train is now part of the standard taped message played out in cracked loudspeakers and barely audible.

- KTM has taped (!!!) their own logo on some standard Visit Malaysia 2007 posters, seemingly place there out of pure mockery. Those posters are still relatively clean, their whiteness contrasting awfully to the yellowish/brownish dirt of the rest of the place.

But the mamak stall there dishes up one of the best teh tarek in Spore!

And the Tg Pagar railway station is merely a football in the one-upmanship game between Msia and Spore! It must be intensely irritating for the clean, tidy-minded Spore govt to have this visible symbol of the Msian "maintenance culture" sitting in the middle of some pricey real estate in downtown Spore.

Don't forget that this was one of the things that Daim and LKY negotiated many years back. As in most things, the Msian negotiators were out-negotiated by their Spore counterparts.

orchipalar
03-05-2007, 01:17 PM
Err buddies...what further loads of bullpoops that the so called usual semi valued ministers are talking about!

When the frequency n volume of tourists fall back in miseries...BLAME the freaking taxi services ONLY?

They should instead just declare the Visit Malaysia 2007...as a complete FLOP due to the various major screw ups that exist in this...good for nothing but talk cockpoops government bolehland country only.

bslee
03-05-2007, 01:30 PM
What about us the local tourists??? Not important.....

That's shall be PLAN B!..its obvious especially when discrimination is already evident in this country..with slight twist.

Communication between Arab tourist and cabbie.. If I'm not mistaken.. many Arabs converse with terrible and broken English (with exceptions), so does many local cabbies.. I've overheard how they communicate with Petaling Street vendors.. Chicken and duck talk. They do bargain like hell for rock bottom prices too!.
Who knows..they could actually be bargaining the taxi fare eventhough it could be genuinely the correct amount, then go back and complain they're fleeced.

Moreover I blame cabbies for high tendency of being dishonest in order to make a quick buck!...Like in Canto " Yat Pai Kor". Honesty and integrity has never been a high point in this part of the world. Fact: Any tourist coming here have to be prepared for any eventuality!. Malaysian tourist companies are not about to lecture to potential tourists on Malaysia's bad points. They paint a perfect picture all the time.

Its the same what we Malaysians (after learning lessons and tips from friends) can be up against when touring other countries in this region whether it be at the entry, exit point or on the streets. I'm sure many have loads of horror stories.

isarahim
03-05-2007, 04:07 PM
But the mamak stall there dishes up one of the best teh tarek in Spore!
This might be true, but the abominable settings and the stench of urine reaches across, so that kills off the experience...

Besides I don't take teh tarikh......

USJ27Resident
03-05-2007, 04:12 PM
Moreover I blame cabbies for high tendency of being dishonest in order to make a quick buck!...Like in Canto " Yat Pai Kor". Honesty and integrity has never been a high point in this part of the world. Fact: Any tourist coming here have to be prepared for any eventuality!. Malaysian tourist companies are not about to lecture to potential tourists on Malaysia's bad points. They paint a perfect picture all the time....

They're suppose to... otherwise who would come... it's like wearing a target practise and saying "shoot here"...

But you're right about the "honesty and intregrity" part... We (most of us, anyway..) are to be blame for being dumb enough not to realise the potential of the tourism industry...

Go to Australia - and see the difference, everybody in the service industry strives to ensure that services are top notch and tourist are properly taken care of; to ensure that the industry is protected... here, tourist are FAT, LOADED and EASY TARGETS.... :o

Eastern Citizen
03-05-2007, 04:20 PM
They're suppose to... otherwise who would come... it's like wearing a target practise and saying "shoot here"...

But you're right about the "honesty and intregrity" part... We (most of us, anyway..) are to be blame for being dumb enough not to realise the potential of the tourism industry...

Go to Australia - and see the difference, everybody in the service industry strives to ensure that services are top notch and tourist are properly taken care of; to ensure that the industry is protected... here, tourist are FAT, LOADED and EASY TARGETS.... :o

We do not have a strong enough service culture. We also do not know how to take of our guests well enough, which is what tourists actually are.

patwon
03-05-2007, 05:46 PM
We cant attract tourists,we do attract a lot of illegals from surrounding third world nations. Actually the mighty Tengku Adnan behaviour and outbursts in the press already SIGNAL disaster result.

smoothead
03-05-2007, 09:00 PM
One word only, RESIGN!!! the tourism minister, TA should just resign, or, better still, someone just sack that fellow. Useless, good for nothing. Can only put his foot in the mouth. Even a baby sucks his/her toes only, and not both his feet!

Don't think he knows his job. Can only blame others when tourists are not coming in, but instead asking people to fill a form when going out of the country, but see what he brought back after visiting so many countries, all in the name of attracting tourists for VMY07...nothing to show at all after spending or wasting the taxpayers money. (don't blame me for ranting! afterall its the season for tax paying!)

The latest is putting the blame entirely on the taxi drivers. Yes, they are to be blamed but, not everyone of them. What about others who are honest and really earning their keeps? Afterall,this is nothing new, has been going on for ages. Its as though TA just woke up! For goodness sake, come up with solutions instead of spitting rubbish!

bslee
04-05-2007, 01:51 AM
We do not have a strong enough service culture.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON!... Everyone knows how underpar gahmen Public Services have been for the past 5 decades and the rakyat has been tolerating it all along, even then still vote them into office all the time. Can't even service the rakyat properly and with excellence, wanna go beyond?
All that "Bersih, Cekap, Amanah" is now probably a nursery rhyme and without substance. Its so common that when there's a foul up..its excuses after excuses or a witch-hunt. No-one really wants to take the rap or own up.
Sorry man!...this country has a LOT TO CHANGE...NO more lessons..its all been learnt ages ago. Someone else really gotta take charge and walk the talk!.

orchipalar
04-05-2007, 09:58 AM
We do not have a strong enough service culture. We also do not know how to take of our guests well enough, which is what tourists actually are.Err buddies...yes they certainly do...

Paying talkrooster lips service culture...gets to be better by each day.

They couldn't even handle few millions of illegal immigrating 'tourists' flocking into this country...how would those diehard BN fans suppose that...they could handle 25 millions 'tourists' arrivals each year?

Talkrooster only can lah...

silver_bird
04-05-2007, 10:42 AM
A Reader to local free n/papers wrote :

Bad cabbies hijack VMY 2007 campaign

# Our Tourism industry is known around the world for the wrong reason

# Did the Minister of Tourism need to go to Dubai to know that Malaysian cabbies overcharge the tourists?
Malaysians have been lamenting about this for so long

# Commercial Vehicle Licensing Board chief Datuk Markiman Kobiran has consistently said "action will be taken",
yet this remains mere lip service. CLVB has outlived its usefulness and should be shut down

# All the effort and money put in VMY 2007 campaign will be ruin if CVLB continues to provide lip service

CCY
04-05-2007, 10:49 AM
Is this all cases of ' Spare the Rod and Spoils the Kid at its best ' ...?

USJ27Resident
06-05-2007, 09:18 PM
# Commercial Vehicle Licensing Board chief Datuk Markiman Kobiran has consistently said "action will be taken",
yet this remains mere lip service. CLVB has outlived its usefulness and should be shut down..

So true... same fellas that came up with the idea of putting stickers of toll free numbers and SMS numbers to complaint about Commercial Vehicles that misbehave on public roads... :rolleyes:

Try calling or sms'ing these numbers and all you get is a "non-response" action. Have anyone remembered a case where CLVB has taken ANY action on errant commercial vehicle.... NONE!

Rocky19
07-05-2007, 09:36 AM
# Did the Minister of Tourism need to go to Dubai to know that Malaysian cabbies overcharge the tourists?
Malaysians have been lamenting about this for so long

The fellow has to justify his trip mah. Also need to make some noise to get some publicity, you know election coming soon. And his last front page statement was about liars and that didn't go down well. He could easily find this out while in Msia but that won't be front page nor be fun, you know Dubai is happening place. Funny he keeps asking us locals to spend holidays in Msia but the issues we are facing, no one makes a big deal about including him. We Malaysians not humankah? Ok lah some of us don't spend RM1,000/day but hell we do pay taxes which pays for our ministers trip etc.

We deserve the govt we voted for. :o

USJ27Resident
11-05-2007, 02:18 AM
I can second Rocky19's observation about Dubai... even the Saudis knows to run over to this desert city to party in Dubai... :D Go to the discos and you'd see Arabs with downing Heinekens like chilled Cokes !! :D

This Tourism minister ends up in Dubai and then complains about our taxis fleecing tourists... Get real, is anyone bothered about taxis fleecing the rakyat or is the rakyat an insignificant bunch of people... ? What does he really want to say... "Since its VMY 2007 ~ lets take care of the tourist and fleece the rakyat instead..."

Minister tanpa modal... but a lot of dead-weight "around his fat ass" :mad: :rolleyes:

Funny as it seems - if they want VMY 2007, mebbe they should bring back the Minister with the Bow Tie... Dato’ Seri Panglima Abdul Kadir Bin Haji Sheikh Fadzir ! Corrupt or not, this is one fella that knew what he was doing while at work at his ministry...

orchipalar
15-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Err buddies...lately "semperna tahun melawat Malaysia 2007"...the immigration department relaxes the certain rules for "visitors" whom are "visiting" this country on social passes for 2 or 3 more months...stamp upon their "arrivals".

So what happens now...plenty more so called "visitors" from neighbouring countries especially from Indonesia...come over for their short term "visits".

Most of them would end up working as maids n general workers under dubious labour agencies...on short term basis during their brief stays here.

Then they would "run back to their respective home countries"...n would repeat their feats over n over again...

Err...this way inevitably...the so called regular "visits" by these category of "visitors" would contribute to the rise of the numbers of "tourists arrivals".

Syabas to the latest efforts by the so called "tourism ministry"...where else...but in Malaysia.

Clever...no?

sirgalahad2010
16-05-2007, 08:51 AM
Visitors from other Asean countries are allowed entry visa-free for a 1-month stay, I believe. Its part of an Asean initiative to encourage travel and tourism within Asean.

So, to count visitors from Asean countries who come to Msia visa-free as part of the official tourism figures is entirely legitimate.

Spore does the same thing, by the way.

flowi
16-05-2007, 12:16 PM
was in Lang Tengah island and Perhentian ..... THE NUMBER OF TOURIST IS DECLINING!!! what happen?? No bomb, no outbreak, no haze and NO TOURIST!! Same time last year, it was impossible to get a spot on the beach but this time around, we can even play football lah!! :(