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Raikonen
03-01-2007, 10:17 PM
for those of you who are against the toll hikes and wanna let the govt know your unhappiness, can proceed to Sunway Pyramid 4pm this Sunday.

http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/letters.php?itemid=1635

dryyyap
03-01-2007, 10:20 PM
Although I seldom use the tolled highways, I can understand how painful it is for a lot of the rakyat who depend on these lifelines. I would be more than happy to protest. I hope it will do some good.

birdy
03-01-2007, 11:37 PM
What can we achieve thro protesting? It could mean waste of energy only. Let us choose the right leader come the next election.

Good Guy
04-01-2007, 12:05 AM
What can we achieve thro protesting? It could mean waste of energy only. Let us choose the right leader come the next election.


We need to stand up and be counted. It may seem futile, but rest assured they are watching and this hurts them. Who knows if the crowd is mammoth, then we will have "People's Power"!!

Yes, come next election, vote wisely. Always remember the image of the raised kris by Krishamuddin!! :mad:

patrick
04-01-2007, 12:33 AM
You guys think you can pull the demo through?

The last time we wanted to protest at the NPE, the guys in red helmet were already there waiting to stop us. So, all the best if you guys manage to group there.

clfoo
04-01-2007, 01:18 AM
actually i think nobody expect it will be a success, but it's to gauge how determine the govt is going to dance with the evil ...

what goes around come around, Almighty is watching on semi values ppl get away with lies one after another ... May the bad health/luck bestow on corrupted ppl representative.

http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/01/toll_tapdancing_with_samy_vell.php


"We will provide evidence that the government has been misleading the people, and details of the concession agreements will be given out at the press conference," said KeAdilan in a press release.

USJ27Resident
04-01-2007, 01:41 AM
You guys think you can pull the demo through?

The last time we wanted to protest at the NPE, the guys in red helmet were already there waiting to stop us. So, all the best if you guys manage to group there.

You mean the official Govt. trained gangsters and uniformed thugs that are allowed to beat up fellow Malaysian citizens that are exercising their right to voice their opinions openly and peacefully... like during the peaceful demo against the fuel hike at KLCC...

Even more the reason to ditch or at least give this freaking Govt in the next election a helluva slap in the face with a reduced margin... :mad:

jasonbhlee
04-01-2007, 09:44 AM
What can we achieve thro protesting? It could mean waste of energy only. Let us choose the right leader come the next election.

There are several type of people

1. Those who just like to talk and complain but chicken out when ask to show their faces

2. Those who keeps quiet but are dissatisfied but gives the gomen the impression everything is ok

3. Those who are not duly affected by the increase but still want to show their brotherhood the unreasonable increase that affects the lifes of the not so rich

4. Those who are affected and want the whole worlkd to know that their life is in misery.

5. The worst kind of all is the hypocrites who tells you that BN are a whole lots of bull**** but still give them their votes

See you at the Sunway toll plaza!

orchipalar
04-01-2007, 12:59 PM
What can we achieve thro protesting? It could mean waste of energy only. Let us choose the right leader come the next election.Err buddies...the schedule to the next freaking general election...is anyone's best guess at the moment...

It could be in 1 year...or 2 years time...until then affected folks should NOT be held at ransom...repeatedly as sitting ducks...

To join the movement or not...is of one's own prerogatives...

Orchi for one...would be there among the early birds...come rain or hail storm!

patrick
04-01-2007, 01:20 PM
Err buddies...the schedule to the next freaking general election...is anyone's best guess at the moment...

It could be in 1 year...or 2 years time...until then affected folks should NOT be held at ransom...repeatedly as sitting ducks...

To join the movement or not...is of one's own prerogatives...

Orchi for one...would be there among the early birds...come rain or hail storm!

Wishing you guys all the Best. Cant join (or try to join) this round. Am down with flu! The least I can do is give you guys moral support! But please...if the guys in red helmet are there, just leave. Dont want you guys accosted. It's not worth it. Take care.

Sugarfree
04-01-2007, 02:19 PM
Wishing you guys all the Best. Cant join (or try to join) this round. Am down with flu! The least I can do is give you guys moral support! But please...if the guys in red helmet are there, just leave. Dont want you guys accosted. It's not worth it. Take care.I won't be able to be there as I am outstation on a job. However, just a suggestion here. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to bring a vidcam along to record the event. Should things go wrong, you can have the vid uploaded on youtube for the world to enjoy! How's that, eh?

jeffchua
04-01-2007, 02:24 PM
Should things go wrong, you can have the vid uploaded on youtube for the world to enjoy! How's that, eh?
U r right , sugar ....
Just sit back , relax , and watch the 'show' .....:D

alexhay
04-01-2007, 07:00 PM
what is the point of of being there ? the price will not decrease. what we can do is everytime we pass by the toll house, just horn our car larr...start horning from the moment we reach until we leave the toll house lar... imagine if about 100 over cars there horn together, this will make a very loud noise... got caught say larr horn spoil

Raikonen
04-01-2007, 07:25 PM
whoever doesnt wanna go it is his perogative but pls do not be patronising to those who will be there to support. You see the lone student standing in front of the Chinese army tank at Tiananmen and would you say hey what u doing in front of the tank?
We can all just be subservient and keep quiet whenever this bolehland govt screw us left and right? Do you wanna wait until things get worse b4 u start your whining... :mad:

alexhay
04-01-2007, 09:39 PM
was at the sunway toll at around 715pm..heard some cars really did horn...i dont know if the car owner is a forumer in here :)

pucman
04-01-2007, 09:56 PM
was at the sunway toll at around 715pm..heard some cars really did horn...i dont know if the car owner is a forumer in here :)

Yesterday morning, I took the bus to putrajaya. :D

Would you believe it , just after paying the toll at the puchong utama toll, there was a huge traffic jam. The bus has to crawl quite a distance before traffic becomes smooth. There was no traffic jam before the toll. There were no horning by the cars.

Malaysia is the only country where you pay toll to be caught in a jam ! :eek:

orchipalar
04-01-2007, 11:00 PM
what is the point of of being there ?Err buddy...protesting to make a point.
the price will not decrease.Err...so is the heavy burden...which would get heavier.
what we can do is everytime we pass by the toll house, just horn our car larr...start horning from the moment we reach until we leave the toll house lar... imagine if about 100 over cars there horn together, this will make a very loud noise... got caught say larr horn spoilErr...the government won't hear you...

evelynlim
05-01-2007, 09:44 AM
for those of you who are against the toll hikes and wanna let the govt know your unhappiness, can proceed to Sunway Pyramid 4pm this Sunday.

http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/letters.php?itemid=1635

Those comments fr the malaysia-today is not very encouraging :cool:
Anyway, may I know 4 pm at which part of Sunway Pyramid? At the main road in front of the lion head? :confused:

kpc
05-01-2007, 10:05 AM
Sunway Toll or Sunway Pyramid on Sunday?
Will Anwar be there?

Rocky19
05-01-2007, 10:05 AM
orchi san,

Boleh tumpangkah on Sunday? Me also want to join protest.

People please bring along video cam or camera phones. Must take evidence. The red helmet gangsters will be there. Protest as much as you want but make sure you behave and it is non violent, that way the gangsters have no excuses if they start bashing people. Don't hit out at the normal cops cos the are part of our community and they have to pay the toll too. The ones that we should condemn is the BN govt, past and present admin. and the way they agreed to to this hefty increases. Whose pockets were lined when they signed all these agreements which are lop sided?

Everything is OSA...why they never learn from Spore and make it open or Telus as Pak Lah will say. Damn we have to learn from Spore that we have to pay for everything but the govt can't. Can someone tell Pak Lah instead of tell us we have to learn from Spore!!!

If you can't vote for opposition for various reason, cast a spoilt vote. Send the message to the BN govt!!! Give them a smaller mandate. Seehow theybehave after that.

orchipalar
05-01-2007, 10:26 AM
Err buddies...Orchi heard that the MCA Youth Wing...had recently organized such a similar PEACEFUL protest at the Sunway Toll also...

It was attended by hundreds of affected folks...n over 30 Police personnel including the OCPD Tuan Fuad himself...n THERE WAS NOT ANY UNTOWARDS INCIDENTS occurring in that peaceful demonstration...

It was believed to have been reported widely in the newspaper n TV3...

Now since Orchi was away overseas last week...did anyone read about the protest in the newspaper...or heard it in the news...????

Btw...Rocky19-san...Orchi would be pleased to give you a lift...:)

Rocky19
05-01-2007, 10:46 AM
Now since Orchi was away overseas last week...did anyone read about the protest in the newspaper...or heard it in the news...????

Btw...Rocky19-san...Orchi would be pleased to give you a lift...:)
The MCA protest was in the papers. The Jan 7th protest has been announced for sometime now, maybe MCA had to do their show as well before opposition.Hopefully the keadilan protest will be given the same courtesy as the one organised by MCA by the police.

see you guys there.

orchipalar
05-01-2007, 11:00 AM
Err buddies...this just dropped in from a BIG bird...

The meeting point for this Sunday's demonstration would be at...

The SUNWAY PYRAMID Shopping Complex.
at 4pm(16:00hr) this coming SUNDAY.

Err...as buddy Rocky has amply pointed out...lets see how differently the authorities treat a demonstration organized by the Opposition parties...with the one which was earlier organized by the MCA Youth Wing...

hhtee
05-01-2007, 02:27 PM
You guys think you can pull the demo through?

The last time we wanted to protest at the NPE, the guys in red helmet were already there waiting to stop us. So, all the best if you guys manage to group there.

yeah. just pray that the similar incident during the Petrol Price Hike doesnot occur on 7 Jan 2007 Sunday. A brand new year for brand new blood spill.

penangkia
05-01-2007, 05:12 PM
[QUOTE=orchipalar]

The meeting point for this Sunday's demonstration would be at...

The SUNWAY PYRAMID Shopping Complex.
at 4pm(16:00hr) this coming SUNDAY.QUOTE]

Where about Sunway Pyramid SC. are the people suppose to assemble ? Any idea , Orchi?

It would be wise to have a safe and rapid retreat plan in case those trigger happy red helmet thugs start firing smoke bombs and tear gas and cause a bloody stampede.

My video camera is charged and ready, man. :cool:

pepsi
05-01-2007, 05:17 PM
Err buddies...Orchi heard that the MCA Youth Wing...had recently organized such a similar PEACEFUL protest at the Sunway Toll also...

It was attended by hundreds of affected folks...n over 30 Police personnel including the OCPD Tuan Fuad himself...n THERE WAS NOT ANY UNTOWARDS INCIDENTS occurring in that peaceful demonstration...

It was believed to have been reported widely in the newspaper n TV3...

Now since Orchi was away overseas last week...did anyone read about the protest in the newspaper...or heard it in the news...????

Btw...Rocky19-san...Orchi would be pleased to give you a lift...:)
What about MIC ?
They are happy with the toll price hike or they are not affected ?

penangkia
05-01-2007, 05:22 PM
What about MIC ?
They are happy with the toll price hike or they are not affected ?

MIC= May I come.

There are still asking permission to join the demo :D :D

pepsi
05-01-2007, 05:24 PM
MIC= May I come.

There are still asking permission to join the demo :D :D
Oh....My ..I see

munity
05-01-2007, 05:26 PM
If Subramaniam still have power in MIC, maybe some of them will come.

orchipalar
05-01-2007, 05:35 PM
It would be wise to have a safe and rapid retreat plan in case those trigger happy red helmet thugs start firing smoke bombs and tear gas and cause a bloody stampede.

My video camera is charged and ready, man. :cool:Err buddies...NO freaking tear gas would be fired in front of Sunway Pyramid...

This is the start of Visit Malaysia Boleh 2007...there would be scores of 'tourists' n onlookers there...

So be there wearing like you are 'visitors' from the Middle Eastern nations...no issues.

kpc
05-01-2007, 06:03 PM
Need to bring goggles and banners or not?

penangkia
05-01-2007, 06:05 PM
Err buddies...NO freaking tear gas would be fired in front of Sunway Pyramid...

This is the start of Visit Malaysia Boleh 2007...there would be scores of 'tourists' n onlookers there...

So be there wearing like you are 'visitors' from the Middle Eastern nations...no issues.

May I bring my camel along? :D

orchipalar
05-01-2007, 06:20 PM
May I bring my camel along? :DErr sure buddy...as long as a thousand of fleas come with it...

jasonbhlee
05-01-2007, 11:11 PM
The police will most likely do a road block around 2 or 3pm to prevent the crowd from coming in. They did just that last Sunday somewhere in Cheras where the protest at the Grand Saga toll was well attended by the residents. The road block was to prevent another section from affected roaduser from Sungai Long to join in the protest. So come this Sunday, have an alternative route on hand.

Sugarfree
06-01-2007, 12:00 AM
The police will most likely do a road block around 2 or 3pm to prevent the crowd from coming in. They did just that last Sunday somewhere in Cheras where the protest at the Grand Saga toll was well attended by the residents. In that case, I'd suggest those who intend to attend, to be at Sunway Pyramid earlier, say at noon or 1pm. Do some shopping first, you know. Do not go there at the last minute.

Wished I could be there but I'm on the job. Good luck!

Choon1980
06-01-2007, 01:09 AM
The police will most likely do a road block around 2 or 3pm to prevent the crowd from coming in. They did just that last Sunday somewhere in Cheras where the protest at the Grand Saga toll was well attended by the residents. The road block was to prevent another section from affected roaduser from Sungai Long to join in the protest. So come this Sunday, have an alternative route on hand.

Dammit, it's the foreknowledge of things to come that allow the powers that be to prevent us from voicing our displeasure.

Maybe we should hide messages in mooncakes and pass them around to our friends and family. It DID work in the past!

Alfred88
06-01-2007, 01:47 AM
So did anything happen there? I miss any news or heard anything on it :(

RobotdeNiro
06-01-2007, 02:41 AM
Does PDRM surf this forum?

Sugarfree
06-01-2007, 09:14 AM
So did anything happen there? I miss any news or heard anything on it :(The protest is this Sunday. Will you be there? :)

munity
06-01-2007, 10:45 AM
So did anything happen there? I miss any news or heard anything on it

The protest is this Sunday. Will you be there? :)
A make sure to wear the same color as all forumers.

jasonbhlee
06-01-2007, 10:49 AM
So did anything happen there? I miss any news or heard anything on it :(


Read this : http://ronnieliutiankhiew.wordpress.com/

and this : http://teresakok.com/

to read about the Mahkota Cheras protest.

munity
06-01-2007, 10:57 AM
What?! in http://teresakok.com/ , the protestor actually bring along their children? OMG :eek: I hope the children are not intended to be a human shield against the police's shields.

Sugarfree
06-01-2007, 11:51 AM
What?! in http://teresakok.com/ , the protestor actually bring along their children? OMG :eek:Not advisable to bring kids along. It's not a holiday after all. Rough times may be in store.

Rocky19
06-01-2007, 11:52 AM
we should all wear black t-shirts or shirts.

firefox
06-01-2007, 12:00 PM
in my opinion any demo is just futile, I got nothing against this one but to me Pak Lah has given his blessings for this. He has failed as caring PM miserably and is this the way to reward us after having trusted him and gave a huge mandate. He will have to pay for his misdeeds soon.

Rocky19
06-01-2007, 12:19 PM
futile it may be but at least we are making our unhappiness known to BN cos if not they still talk about their huge mandate and think every thing that is force down our throat is ok with us.They gte huge mandate from us but then are working against us as clearly seen by thelop sided contract. wah! what is this , lalang or parasites or back stabbers? Anyway we are making it known instead of giving up hope or being a lalang. what is worse, lalang or giving up hope? ;)

Sugarfree
06-01-2007, 12:23 PM
...Pak Lah has failed as caring PM miserably and is this the way to reward us after having trusted him and gave a huge mandate. He will have to pay for his misdeeds soon.Indeed, he frigging will.

jasonbhlee
06-01-2007, 12:54 PM
in my opinion any demo is just futile.


Don't be defeated even before we start! As citizens, we have to get make our feelings known unless of course we agree with the toll and petrol prce increase. Most and if not all the protests by anyone in Malaysia has always been futile (u are right on this score) but it does send a very clear message...DON'T MESS WITH THE RAKYAT!! We should emulate the fighting spirit of the Sarawakians as well as those residents association in PJ. Should we not do our little bit?

Sugarfree
06-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Don't be defeated even before we start! As citizens, we have to get make our feelings known...Agreed. Whether it achieves immediate results is a different matter. We, as citizens, should speak out at injustices. Otherwise, the-powers-that-be will think we are spineless idiots who'll accept anything that's served to us.

Cloud
06-01-2007, 02:02 PM
Hi all,

We all have our bit to play. We have to stand up for our rights and we want to be treated well as the people who pay the salaries of our leaders who are all CIVIL SERVANTs.

Why are we so afraid of showing our dissastisfaction?

We have to reclaim our right and dismantle this culture of fear and paranoia that exists in Malaysia.

For the people who say "oh, my daughter on scholarship so i don't dare go out and protest", "oh i scared they won't renew my business licence if i do anything like this", it's irrational and quite frankly, rubbish.

BUT then we have been indoctrinated by BN this way, so I understand your concerns, altho it's illogical that someone somewhere is gonna take away your children's cholarship just because you were at a protest with hundreds of people.

I just want to say to those who want to start speaking out and standing up, because who else is gonna do it for us?

One CANNOT expect other people to fight on their behalf if they do absolutely nothing about the situation. One does not deserve to have people like LKS fight for them if one won't even donate some money to the opposition parties.

May I suggest that those who are not planning to go (for whatever reason) to either:

1. Donate to a party/cause you support

2. Subscribe to the party newspapers (Rocket, Suara Keadilan, Harakah, Aliran, etc) and give your family/friends gift subscriptions

3. Offer/loan your services (especially during election time) in terms of equipment or supplies eg. paper, computers, volunteer to put up posters/banners, volunteers to help ferry old or disabled people to voting centres, volunteers to deliver lunch during voting day, etc.

4. In the run-up to elections, help by designing publicity material, providing printing services at cost, database maintenance, distribution of leaflets, etc.

5. Read alternative news websites, opposition party websites/blogs, and print articles out for family/friends who don't have access.

That's all I can think of right now.

"DON'T WHINGE AND MOAN IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT"

firefox
06-01-2007, 02:09 PM
Hi all,



"DON'T WHINGE AND MOAN IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT"

true, so simple be brave put your cross on the right box.

Raikonen
06-01-2007, 02:49 PM
I will rather all the gutless chickens keep their mouth shut and just keep on getting screwed by this incompetent racist govt... :mad:

orchipalar
07-01-2007, 01:14 AM
Err buddies...here may be something for many to ponder...especially for those who would opt to remain sidelined voluntarily(not joining the protests)...to think about...asking their own better awareness...n fair judgement...to the freaking issue.

Has anyone ever wonder...whether somehow or rather...any of the 19 toll concessions awarded companies so far...for instance this one toll concession award to Litrak being relevant to this subject matter...have ANY relations or links at ALL with the EPF...which is the SOLE custodian of the retirement(welfare?) n savings fund for all 11 millions of working Malaysians...???

Err...Orchi for one would be deeply obliged IF amongst us forumers here there would be someone in the know...who would be kinder to provide the answers to the above question...for all to share...please?

Oh btw...the total so far of 19 Toll Concession awarded companies...must have been accredited in the Malaysian Book of Records...so soon the next toll concession awarded would be another record breaking feat by the towering Malaysians.

orchipalar
07-01-2007, 10:51 AM
Err...since no one has come forward yet with the truth...here is but what Orchi could gather from sleepless hours...

In the case of Litrak...the concessionaire who was awarded by the freaking UMNO led BN government in the late 90s...to 'extend' n 'widen' the existing State link roads with a total combined distance of about 15kms which is now called the LDP(Lebuh Raya Damansara Puchong - Expressway?) from Puchong to Kepong...is owned by Gamuda...one of the cronies of the past n PRESENT...UMNO led BN government...n other cronies of UMNO...!

Just a SMALL portion of the freaking Privatization Schemes being sustained by the freaking Malaysian government...!

So Orchi...what the heck does this have to do with EPF...its 11 millions contributors...n the rest of Malaysian citizens...???

Err buddies...please be patient with naive Orchi...the entire LDP project costs incurred a total of RM600 millions...

Litrak obtained RM535 millions fixed rate term loan of 13 years from EPF...

Litrak further obtained RM100 millions grant from MOF(ministry of finance) for land acquisitions.

Litrak was further granted RM98 millions loan at concessional rates from MOF...

Litrak was further 'compensated' as much as RM85 millions for 'loss of revenue' due to the previous prevention of toll hike by the same freaking government...who had initially 'agreed' in the Toll Concession contract to allow for 50% toll hike by Litrak previously.

While we know that Gamuda an UMNO crony which owns 50% half of Litrak knows how to 'extend' n 'widen' roads...

Most Malaysians won't know that the rest of the ownership of Litrak belongs to certain cronies...one individual BUMIPUTRA who controls 30% of Litrak had only started his company with 100,000 paid up capital...n the remaining by PERAK Royalty...n other individual dormant company who had a RM2 paid up capital...!

Or do they...???

LDP is the busiest 'expressway?' in the whole country...each day MORE than 1 million vehicles passed thru 15 of its busiest toll booths...n 800,000 of these vehichles are paying tolls(still caugh up with jams daily!)...which is amounting to almost 300 millions of ringgit ...annually!

birdy
07-01-2007, 02:17 PM
Hi all,

We all have our bit to play. We have to stand up for our rights and we want to be treated well as the people who pay the salaries of our leaders who are all CIVIL SERVANTs.

Why are we so afraid of showing our dissastisfaction?
Though we claim to be a Democratic Country.... we do not have much freedom to voice our rights. What will we achieve thro' these demonstrations? At best, probably emails will be circulating around after today but still the price will stay. A good example would be the petrol price hike.. what do they achieved from protesting? Isn't it the price still 1.92 per litter?

The best is we hv to be right at the first place.. .choose the correct government. We should give someone a chance. This can only be done thro' people's supports.

RobotdeNiro
07-01-2007, 03:12 PM
How's the demonstration going?

SS19flyover
07-01-2007, 06:04 PM
It is exciting! facinating, eye opening event. It is an event to mark the day of your children will pay RM16 in 30 years time.

Rocky19
07-01-2007, 06:20 PM
It went well. It was held at the front entrance of Sunway Pyramid. The crowd..well I guesstimate was about a couple of hundred people. There were banners, speech by the DAP,PAS,Keadilan and MTUC leaders. The cops were there in significant numbers too.red helmet was there too but not visible during the speeches. After 30-40mins the police, a Jaafar used the loud hailer to say something, guess you buggers need to leave now. At the same moment ,the leaders and most of the crowd walked to the right towards the shophouses with their banners. Not sure what happened after that cos we left.

To those that said it will be futile, well the voice of the rakyat was heard. There were makciks who were senior citizens who turned up.One was using a cane as well. Brave ladies unlike some!!! I'll load the photos of them later. There were a few usj forumers too, nice meeting you guys.

patrick
07-01-2007, 06:23 PM
Well done folks! Sorry couldnt join you all this time.

choopy
07-01-2007, 07:19 PM
Nice meeting you Rocky19 and Orchipalar.
I'll let my photos do the talking. ;)



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Sugarfree
07-01-2007, 09:59 PM
Well done indeed.

No, the toll will not drop but at least we've made our voices heard. And we shall make our displeasure more obvious in the next GE.

SS19flyover
07-01-2007, 10:10 PM
The photos is HERE
http://www.lensamalaysia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3558

Sugarfree
07-01-2007, 10:48 PM
Thanks, Flyover. Brill! :)

choopy
08-01-2007, 08:17 AM
Some photos to share HERE (http://choopaulo.blogspot.com/) too. ;)



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Sentinel
08-01-2007, 08:46 AM
U r right , sugar ....
Just sit back , relax , and watch the 'show' .....:D

Yes, yes, and when othersstand up and be counted and win something back for themselves, just enjoy the spoils too, good for you!

lbn
08-01-2007, 11:23 AM
Very good showing. Well done! They may not reduce the toll. At least the Gomen knows the sentiments of the people - knows who put them there. best they wake up! :)

penangkia
08-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Very good pictures. Thanks to those whose provided all this "tell all pictures".

What a sight. A multi-racial protest against a self-centred and self-serving gormen.

Hope this multi-racial disgust will repeat itsell at the polls during GE.

Sugarfree
08-01-2007, 12:58 PM
Yes, yes, and when othersstand up and be counted and win something back for themselves, just enjoy the spoils too, good for you!Now, now. I was working at that time (I did mention that earlier) hence I couldn't turn up. Hmm...just wondering, what have you done to help?

bslee
08-01-2007, 01:31 PM
What a sight. A multi-racial protest against a self-centred and self-serving gormen.


When it comes to an finance reducing issue, likely everyone from all walks of life can gang up and rebel, but when there's a racial or some sensitive issue, it'll be a show of fangs and teeth and various kung-fu acrobatics!. :cool:

jasonbhlee
08-01-2007, 03:16 PM
futile it may be but at least we are making our unhappiness known to BN cos if not they still talk about their huge mandate and think every thing that is force down our throat is ok with us.They gte huge mandate from us but then are working against us as clearly seen by thelop sided contract. wah! what is this , lalang or parasites or back stabbers? Anyway we are making it known instead of giving up hope or being a lalang. what is worse, lalang or giving up hope? ;)

Rocky, nice to get to know you although not in the best of situations!

The toll increase will affect everyone irrespective of whether you use LDP, Kesas or not. Last Sunday I bought the 'ham chim peng' after Sunday marketing at the stall located at the Asia Cafe foodcourt in SS15. Each piece has increased by RM0.10 effective 1st jan. I asked him why...the answer..toll increase!! Believe me..after the CNY the price of your noodles will go up to RM4 and there will not be travelling south after that!! You want to protest or not?

Rocky19
08-01-2007, 03:21 PM
jason,

nice to have met you too.

The noodles I ate at Kelana Jaya went up by RM0.20 to RM3.50 for small plate and the chicken rice is RM3.80 now, up RM0.30. So lets wait and see what else goes up..trully BN...Barang Naik punya gomen. :rolleyes:

orchipalar
08-01-2007, 03:25 PM
Err...The Star has this article from the demonstration... (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/1/8/nation/16505531&sec=nation)

Blue Jasmine
08-01-2007, 03:31 PM
jason,

nice to have met you too.

The noodles I ate at Kelana Jaya went up by RM0.20 to RM3.50 for small plate and the chicken rice is RM3.80 now, up RM0.30. So lets wait and see what else goes up..trully BN...Barang Naik punya gomen. :rolleyes:


I had kuey teow theng today at USJ 4 (apollo) the normal price was 3.30. Today (8/1/07) it was 3.50. Can somebody justify this increase? It sounds pretty ridiculous. How can they (food hawker) just increase price with no valid reason. Can protest or not? Maybe can make a complain? If yes to who ar?

Sugarfree
08-01-2007, 04:04 PM
I had kuey teow theng today at USJ 4 (apollo) the normal price was 3.30. Today (8/1/07) it was 3.50. Can somebody justify this increase? Can protest or not? Maybe can make a complain? If yes to who ar?Blood suckers! :mad: Don't think we can do much except to boycott such stalls.

What about the Taipan area? Any hawker stalls there have increased their prices? Anyone knows?

orchipalar
08-01-2007, 04:12 PM
Err buddies...in The Star report...there were more than 600 Police personnel n over 90 FRU men...present at the demonstration...

firefox
08-01-2007, 04:13 PM
just boycott these stalls they have no justification to increase...just went to market things are real cheap fresh mee and other noodles are dirt cheap even vegetables are affordable, even on a Monday....these hawkers are real sounderals minting easy money.... quality n quantity reduce but still got price increase!!...as long as there are suckers who dont mind paying they will always be these crooks.

Blue Jasmine
08-01-2007, 04:24 PM
Blood suckers! :mad: Don't think we can do much except to boycott such stalls.

What about the Taipan area? Any hawker stalls there have increased their prices? Anyone knows?


Dunno about taipan but the USJ 4 (apollo) even the prawn mee increase to 3.50 from 3.30, but strangely the pan mee maintain the price at 3.30. So i think is due to the hawkers likings. No control whatesover!!!

birdy
08-01-2007, 04:41 PM
There are some nice shots taken during the demonstration by our professional photographers....

LensaMalaysia (http://www.lensamalaysia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3558)

RobotdeNiro
08-01-2007, 05:03 PM
Guys...is there anyone gonna be arrested for this demonstration? The cops said they would probe into this because there was no permit.

jasonbhlee
08-01-2007, 05:11 PM
Guys...is there anyone gonna be arrested for this demonstration? The cops said they would probe into this because there was no permit.

Do you think the PM's SIL got a permit when he barged in during Rice's visit? So why so scared about being arrested. The was no burning of flags, effigies or wrestling with FRU. So far, most demo...where got permit one? If you wait for a permit...there's not going to be a demo.

orchipalar
08-01-2007, 05:20 PM
Guys...is there anyone gonna be arrested for this demonstration? The cops said they would probe into this because there was no permit.Err buddies...when was there any permits ever approved n issued to any of the Oppositions or general protesters' public gatherings...???

Does UMNO needs any permits for any public gatherings or political rallies...or whenever they organize rowdy protests...n burnt national flags of other countries...in front of their embassies...???

Longfellow
08-01-2007, 05:27 PM
Well, Longfellow was there yesterday. Really admire those Pak Si Boh Chau guys & gals. Keep up the good works.

sirgalahad2010
08-01-2007, 06:07 PM
Err buddies...when was there any permits ever approved n issued to any of the Oppositions or general protesters' public gatherings...???

Does UMNO needs any permits for any public gatherings or political rallies...or whenever they organize rowdy protests...n burnt national flags of other countries...in front of their embassies...???

Orchi-san - for once, I agree with you! :D May this be the start of a beautiful relationship!! :D :D :D

Query: why is no one asking the hard questions of the one during whose administration all these "lopsided" toll contracts were signed? No, not SV, but TDM himself. Is he immune from criticism?

Sentinel
08-01-2007, 06:48 PM
Orchi-san - for once, I agree with you! :D May this be the start of a beautiful relationship!! :D :D :D



And I will sit idly by with a glass of teh tarek in my hand - enjoying the best of debates yet to come from two of the better members of the forum, I mean it guys! :D

JSnuka
08-01-2007, 07:52 PM
The toll hike may spark another around of price increases. My colleague told me that both mixed rice stalls near our office has increased their prices by 40-50 sen since last week. Asked why ... they said "increased costs due to toll hike" :confused:

Raikonen
08-01-2007, 08:25 PM
Guys...is there anyone gonna be arrested for this demonstration? The cops said they would probe into this because there was no permit.

What are they gonna arrest me for? Jaywalking on the highway? :mad:

AAB was saying on the news regarding the demo...that the govt is not trying to be popular but take care of the country's long term welfare...That with a straight face too..

orchipalar
08-01-2007, 09:22 PM
Err...well we are owing much to many's...especially Jeff Ooi's... (http://www.jeffooi.com/) relentless efforts n courages to shed light into the whole freaking issue of unjustifiable n exorbitant toll hikes...arising from the shortcomings from the past n present freaking UMNO led BN government...

It is about time...somebody admits that the freaking government has screwed up BIG time...in awarding those many past Toll Concession contracts... (http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/01/for_whom_the_tolls_toll_6.php) n further agreeing that it's about time that those contracts be reviewed again...by the freaking government...

Ahem...Orchi really hopes that the current UMNO led BN leaders would come to their freaking cow senses(if any) sooner...for the sakes of millions who are being affected in dire despairs...

"...the Cabinet relied on the senior government officers in the relevant ministry who prepared Cabinet papers for approval.

Once the papers were presented by the relevant minister, the Cabinet merely approved them. "This is something we must correct," he added, saying that during his time, he had ordered for itemised checklist to scrutinise the critical elements contained in the concessions..."

Err now...in all those years...who exactly were those freaking senior government officers...n which exactly was the freaking ministry...that had been assigned to draft the Cabinet working papers on Road Toll Concessions...???

...damn those freaking Semi Valued senior government officers...n the freaking Ministry of Public Works...damn you all!!!

PROSKY
08-01-2007, 11:26 PM
Not only prices of goods and services up, crime rate most likely shoot up too due to the effect of spiralling prices on the poor rakyat. Just realised today, the RM1.50 toll in Kesas increased to RM2.20. A 46% INCREASED. RIDICULOUS.
What does that mean??. Also our very own RINGGIT is weakning against major currencies( minus the USD). What l can forsee is, our Ringgit can only weaken for the country to stay competitive.l won't be surprised, one day 1 Sing. dollars = RM3.00.

Rocky19
08-01-2007, 11:46 PM
TDM has said his piece on the toll based on jeffooi.com. Lets see what Pak Lah has said, sorry in the agreement we can't do anything...while the companies gouge their customers. and petrol also increase..so it is really costly to be poor now. poor KJ lost Rm200k and his 'rice bowl'..ehm wonder how many bowls he has? :rolleyes:

orchipalar
09-01-2007, 01:36 AM
Very good showing. Well done! They may not reduce the toll. At least the Gomen knows the sentiments of the people - knows who put them there. best they wake up!Err buddies...it is also equally important that the people knows the mistakes that they themselves have done in the past 20 years or so...n what sorts of a freaking UMNO led BN government which they have elected to rule NOT for the true benefits n welfares of the voters n general rakyat(s) in their freaking minds...

It is equally as important if not more so than before...that NOW...it's NOT only up to the past generations making their past mistakes...IT's about what the new generations of Malaysian general public is going to do...n start to deal with the scores of poor performances n lies that have been fed to everyone by them freaking past n present politicians alike since....n whether or NOT...the younger generations would understand the past mistakes made by roughly 40% of the total of all eligible voters in this country whom had NEVER step forward to exercise their rights to vote for change...

Ahem...is it too late now to learn n understand what every ordinary Malaysians are up against since...???

NO! Definitely NOT!

So now...since we are dealing with the topic of unfair practice of awarding n implementations of Roads Toll Concessions by the freaking government as part n parcel of the so called Privatization Schemes n Projects...arisen thru many ill gotten means implemented by UMNO...in their largely lopsided failing National Economic Policies...n if you folks...old or young wouldn't mind...

...lets read the following about the freaking PLUS or Project LebuhRaya Utara Selatan...from 1988(MOST forumers here are definitely born before that)...until NOT too long ago...in the year 2005:

"PLUS: Cash cow

In 1988, the Malaysian government awarded the North-South Expressway (NSE) concession to United Engineers Malaysia Berhad (UEM), a company owned by UMNO trustee company Hatibudi Sdn Bhd. This award was heavily tainted with corruption allegations, as apart from conflict of interest, UEM was the least qualified among the four tenders submitted. UEM then formed PLUS to undertake the NSE concession.

Despite this being a privatised project requiring the con-cessionaire to provide his financing, the government provided a soft loan of RM 1.6 billion, which was half of the tender price of RM 3.2 billion. (The construction costs were later reported to be double this amount, for reasons best known to PLUS itself.)

Other over-generous terms given to UEM included annual increments of toll rates, guaranteed traffic volumes and various indemnities, the full details of which remain secret till this day.

When the Asian financial crisis struck in 1997/8, PLUS took the role of cash cow to bankroll the UEM Group, which became largely insolvent, mired in debts that ran into tens of billions of ringgit.

The endless streams of toll collections from the NSE made PLUS the rose among the thorns in the UEM Group, as far as credit standing was concerned. PLUS naturally became the chief borrower of the group, incurring huge long term debts, in order to keep the UEM conglomerates afloat during the financial crisis. This explains the unusually high gearing of PLUS despite its own highway operation being highly lucrative. It also explains the favouritism practised by the BN government towards PLUS.

Looking from this perspective, the people are now being made to carry the burden of the financial follies committed by the UEM Group.

Coming on the heels of the highly unreasonable toll hike of 10 per cent recently, Works Minister Samy Vellu announced in Parliament on 24 March 2005 that the Cabinet had approved a package deal with PLUS to widen certain sections of the NSE.

Under the deal, PLUS would undertake to widen two stretches of roads from four lanes to six lanes (Seremban-Ayer Keroh, Rawang-Tanjung Malim, totalling 119 km), to relocate a toll complex (at Jelapang), and to abolish the collection of Senai toll.

In return the government would write off a loan (to PLUS) of RM 962 million, hand over the existing Seremban-Port Dickson Expressway valued at RM 50 million to PLUS for toll collection, and extend the NSE toll collection period by eight years to 50 years.

These completely one-sided concession terms favouring the concessionaire at the expense of the public must have made the contract between the government and PLUS one of the most unbalanced contracts.

(Source: Kim Quek, Malaysia Today)"

The above article is excerpt from - A Malaysian View by Martin Jalleh... (http://64.233.187.99/search?q=cache:Bo8rTAPBNr0J:www.xes.cx/MT/archives/2005/09/the_truth_about.html+EPF+share+toll+concessions+co mpanies&hl=en&lr=&strip=1)

Err so buddies...with a total of 3 extensions so far...granted SOLELY by NONE other than the freaking UMNO led BN government...it would seems to be NEVER ending that...

YES!...All ordinary Malaysians young or old...in the present or in the long future...would continue to be held at ransom being forced to pay unjustifiably exorbitant toll hikes...n unfairly gazetted tolls rates...until the year 2038...!!!

Ahem...to whom the freaking multi billions of toll fees have been paid to...??? UEM...!!!

Err...from whom UEM has been getting the initial project fundings...n further bailouts to sustain their mismanagement...lies n 'astronomical' losses??? The BN government...The EPF(the sole custodian for the retirement n savings funds of 11 millions EPF contributors)...n the major National owned banks(GLC)...!

n who has just gotten to be the concessionaire to build...manage...operate the second Penang 2nd Bridge Project(inclusive of the existing 1st Penang Bridge)...which was recently approved by the NEW freaking Cabinet under 3rd year leadership of Pak Lah...as a private finance initiative (PFI) under the implementation of the 9th Malaysia Plan...??? UEM...!!!

Ahem...what is so private about the whole freaking mess to begin with since 1988...that EVERY single ordinary Malaysians are being forced to swallow ONLY the sh*ts of it...???

penangkia
09-01-2007, 01:02 PM
AAb added salt to open wound.

In page N4 of today's Star, under the heading "PM sure BN will retain seat"

When asked if the fuel and toll price increases would be a factor in the by-election, AAb said:

"Although there may be some decisions that have caused discomfort to the people but God willing for those who can think, they would be able to see the wisdom of such actions." ( Unquote)...highlight mine.

So those who oppose the increase are people that God is unwilling to let them think and blinded them from wisdom. :eek:

Now you have it. The PM has resorted to preaching instead of explaning the "wisdom" to the tax paying citizens. :rolleyes:

sirgalahad2010
09-01-2007, 01:26 PM
I still don't understand why TDM is being allowed to get away with it. After all, the major privatisation exercises, one result of which was the toll highways, were negotiated and concluded on his watch.

His simple rationalisation seems to be that his Cabinet did not understand the implications of the various privatisation papers sent to them for approval. In other words, his Cabinet was composed of simpletons who did not bother to delve into the details of privatisation.

Doesn't TDM understand what is meant by the saying "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"? Or does he think that this is not applicable in the Msian context?

ACCOUNTABILITY? Whatever happened to this concept?

sirgalahad2010
12-01-2007, 04:37 PM
Samy Vellu, at the recent Overseas Indians Conference in New Delhi, was quoted as saying that India should reconsider its tendering process. He was reported as saying:

"It currently calls for open tenders where 50 or 60 companies bid for the contract. It not only takes time for the government to award the contract but some companies that are qualified may also be overlooked.

"In the name of good governance and public accountability I am proposing that India maintains its open tender system but for urgent and priority national interest projects where expertise are needed, it adopts direct negotiations with the companies concerned."

Samy Vellu also said that India could use restricted tenders where 5 or 6 companies with the experience and capabilities are allowed to bid.

"Good governance"? "Public accountability"? "Open tender system"?

I am surprised that SV had the chutzpah to talk about these ideals in India!

Have the concepts of good governance, public accountability and open tender system been applied to the privatisation of toll roads in Malaysia?

His Indian hosts must have been very polite not to question him on this. Or they must have been trying very hard not to laugh when he made these statements.

cskok8
14-01-2007, 08:51 PM
HA HA

I nominate this for joke of the year :p