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orchipalar
22-12-2006, 08:28 PM
Err buddies...Orchi has just been alerted that there would an acute shortage of teachers allocated by the Ministry of Education...for USJ1 SJK(c) Chee Wen Primary School...in 11 days when the 2007 school session begins on the 2nd of January 2007.

In 2007 session...SJK(c) Chee Wen would have 36 classes in the morning session...n the recently approved 16 additional classes in the afternoon session...

ALL in the school n the students would need as many as 85 teachers to attend to the classes n activities for about 2,500 students...around 750 of which would be starting school in Standard 1 classes...

Pending remedial initiatives n actions from the relevant departments in the Education Ministry...should there be NO improvement gained within the next 11 days by the Ministry...SJK(c) Chee Wen would begin the 2007 school session...with a shortage of over 30 teachers...!

So...it is important that the thousands of parents to these childrens should be aware of this serious problem before hand...that they childrens would be facing when the school starts in 11 days time.

They should exercise all attempts to stay calm and cooperate with the school's PIBG board's...n the school's administration's existing on going efforts...to seek out all available avenues to resolve this problem amicably with the Education Ministry for the sakes of their childrens' education...

Hence Orchi is seeking the assistance from ALL forumers...to kindly assist Orchi to spread the awareness to as many as parents as possible...that you know who have their childrens attending to USJ1 SJK(c) Chee Wen Primary School from 2/1/2007...TQ!

Here's Orchi's beef...

It is BAD enough that the school is still short of achieving the initial target of adequate fundings for the school building funds since 2003...

It is BAD enough that the school is also still short of much needed funds in its expansion plans to complete...a multi purpose hall with additional classes to accommodate growing numbers of NEW student intakes...yearly.

It is BAD enough that the school is now frantically trying to find contributors to donate about 50 drawer cabinets n other necessities for the teachers' working desks...n other facilities at the school...

It is BAD enough that ALL of the school's existing furnitures n fittings...computers...blackboards...tables n stools...apparatus...sports equipments n administrative tools at the schools...are ALL obtained in 2nd Hand used conditions to begin with...which were mostly donated by the previous contributors...

It is even WORST to learn that...the school has HAD previous experiences of facing the similar acute shortages of teachers(to the lesser extent)...annually in the initial stages by the start of the school sessions in the past...

n now...the school would soon be facing an acute shortage of more than 30 primary school teachers...

ALL THIS is happening in the self proclaimed "Developed State" of Selangor Darul Ehsan...of a nation which is heading on its course to being declared as a "Developed Malaysia" by Vision 2020...

Syabas Negara Ku...

Shaneburger
23-12-2006, 02:37 AM
Thanks for the alert Orchi.

How can we help? What kind of assistance is needed?

orchipalar
23-12-2006, 09:49 AM
Err buddies...there are few actions that the affected parents(or concerned folks) could consider to take...

Plan A:

1. In the next 10 days or so...try to inform as many parents as possible to prepare them with the problem of the school facing short allocation of teachers by the Ministry of Education(which is beyond the control of the school's administration...n the PIBG(PTA) board.

2. To organize a parents' signatures campaign with the school's PIBG(PTA) board to gather as many signatures as possible from the affected parents...n submit a memorandum to the relevant department of the Education Ministry...

Plan B:

1. To seek IMMEDIATE assistance n actions from state assemblyman(Datuk Lee Hwa Beng)...n Member of Parliament(YB Loh Seng Kok)...the head of MCA(Datuk Seri OKT)...the head of GERAKAN(Datuk Seri Lim Keng Yik)...or the SG of DAP(Lim Kit Siang) by blasting 1000 sms to EACH of them...from the affected parents...

2. To organize a Press Release by inviting the various press reporters to the school to cover n highlight the problem with the shortage of school teachers at USJ1 SJK(c) Chee Wen...in the nationwide newspapers n TVs...to demand IMMEDIATE remedial actions from the Education Ministry.

3. To protest...

orchipalar
23-12-2006, 10:07 AM
Thanks for the alert Orchi.

How can we help? What kind of assistance is needed?Err buddies...at the meantime it would help a great deal if anyone could be kind to provide the mobile phone numbers of

1. Datuk Seri Lim Keng Yik(GERAKAN)...

2. Mr. Lim Kit Siang(DAP)...

3. Datuk Seri Hishamuddin(UMNO Youth President cum the Education MINISTER)...

Orchi has the other mobile phone numbers of LHB(MCA)...LSK(MCA)...n OKT(MCA)...

peterymlee
24-12-2006, 01:32 AM
Orchi, thanks for the heads up. I registered my kid for the 2008 intake - when registered, I was informed that the MoE had already approved the allocation for additional teachers. But I guess words and actions are two very different matters.

If you need my signature on any petition, just lemme know.

orchipalar
24-12-2006, 01:51 AM
Err buddies...thanks for the understanding...one can imagine how confused n disappointed the parents n childrens would be...to find NOT only with the shortage of school facilities...but also shortage of teachers...!

n here's Orchi's additional beef...

1. Would ANY national primary or secondary schools be faced with similar shortages...of facilites n TEACHERS...?

2. Would ANY national primary or secondary schools be faced with HIGH demands of new students enrollment...? Which national school?

3. Would ANY national primary or secondary schools be faced with HIGH teacher per students ratio...? say 1:55...? Which national school?

4. Would ANY national primary or secondary schools be built MAINLY with funds donated by Private individuals n Corporate companies...???

5. Would ANY national primary or secondary schools be accommodating HIGH numbers of students...packed like sardines in classrooms...???

Please TELL or correct Orchi...!

starrnorth
24-12-2006, 02:16 AM
Is the school allowed to hire teachers without going through the education department ? This is of course not the point as the department should send the teachers. But for the acute situation, what is the choice ?

Why is such a situation occuring ? Does it mean that now some of the classed have to be combined and now there will be 100 students to a class ?

What kind of developed state is Selangor ? Perhaps our Yoyo, sorry, Toyo can explain.

All this is driving the people towards the opposition if the ruling party cannot deliver.

Sugarfree
24-12-2006, 10:49 PM
...Would ANY national primary or secondary schools be faced with similar shortages...of facilites n TEACHERS...?
The answer is a resounding No. The idea is to force the people to enrol their kids into national schools for the purpose of racial integration. And that is all so wrong but there you go.

Life Ranger
26-12-2006, 11:18 AM
Thanks Orchi for the info. I have just contacted the president of Subang Jaya/USJ SJK(C) Development Committe's President William Chua pertaining this matter. He said he has been aware about this issue but not the exact figure of the teachers that falls short since the headmaster refused to inform about it.

Should any parents wish to contact William for info of any further actions, kindly contact him at 012-339 6751.

Blue Jasmine
26-12-2006, 03:40 PM
The answer is a resounding No. The idea is to force the people to enrol their kids into national schools for the purpose of racial integration. And that is all so wrong but there you go.

So wrong...and yet seems so right to the others.

Blue Jasmine
26-12-2006, 03:46 PM
to demand IMMEDIATE remedial actions from the Education Ministry.

3. To protest...

one word - SLOW

JoeJaffar
26-12-2006, 05:05 PM
The answer is a resounding No. The idea is to force the people to enrol their kids into national schools for the purpose of racial integration. And that is all so wrong but there you go.

Why is that all so wrong? Isn't the idea is to promote racial integration?

blues
26-12-2006, 05:45 PM
Why is that all so wrong? Isn't the idea is to promote racial integration?

because racial integration wrongly advised by the parent.they will never realize.

Sugarfree
26-12-2006, 06:47 PM
Why is that all so wrong? Isn't the idea is to promote racial integration?
The racial integration idea is good. The supposedly implementation method is wrong.

wsp
26-12-2006, 09:59 PM
the source of this problem is younger generation not interested in becoming teacher... this is so sad...
what the school needs to do now is to find more temporary teachers to ease the problem first.

orchipalar
26-12-2006, 10:33 PM
the source of this problem is younger generation not interested in becoming teacher... this is so sad...

what the school needs to do now is to find more temporary teachers to ease the problem first.Err buddy...your observation is right...but it's only sad that the teaching profession isn't being appreciated as much by anyone these days...

How would teachers be rewarded from the profession...reasonable remunerations...n good career advances opportunities?
How are they trained for the profession...?
Who gets to determine which subjects they should be trained with...?
What's the percentage of men n women who would be interested in the profession...?
Would all applications for training of such profession be treated on merits? or...what?
How would they be selected to be trained...?

bla...bla...bla...what the heck Orchi knows what sorta policies the relevant authorities have on this issue...?

btw...coming back to the possibility of resorting to hiring temporary teachers...good idea...BUT who is going to pay their salaries...the parents?

wsp
26-12-2006, 11:22 PM
btw...coming back to the possibility of resorting to hiring temporary teachers...good idea...BUT who is going to pay their salaries...the parents?

from my past experience of being a temporary teacher quite some time ago (while waiting for my STPM result), the school principal had approached me and arranged for the registration of temporary teacher with the ministry of education. A permit so called "permit untuk mengajar bagi guru yang tidak berdaftar" was subsequently issued to the temporary teacher. The pay scale was in accordance to the structure set by ministry of education. as far as i remember, i only got my pay 3 months once.

I am not sure about the current salary scale for temporary teacher. hope this has already been improved now..

Shaneburger
27-12-2006, 12:06 AM
Originally Posted by JoeJaffar
Why is that all so wrong? Isnít the idea is to promote racial integration?

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I agree with Joe, why cant we amend the Constitution and have National School only? No more Chinese, Tamil, or Religious schools - just National School

kwchang
27-12-2006, 12:33 AM
CheeWen should find out how LickHung did it every year when their enrolment swelled beyond their capacity. They not only got temporary teachers but also found ways to pay them without burdening the parents. A successful school is run by resourceful and innovative managers.

Despite the school breaking at its seams and the use of temporary teachers, that school still managed to produce students with good results.

JoeJaffar
27-12-2006, 10:18 AM
the perceived 'agenda' behind the insufficient allocation of teachers may not be the right way to implement a single national school for all, but it could be the impetus for all to start sending their child to one.

charis14
27-12-2006, 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by JoeJaffar
Why is that all so wrong? Isnít the idea is to promote racial integration?

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I agree with Joe, why cant we amend the Constitution and have National School only? No more Chinese, Tamil, or Religious schools - just National SchoolI am sure most forumers will support racial integration. However, to know what contributed to the trend among Chinese (and an increasing number of Malays) to move to Chinese schools, check out the comments posted in http://backupman.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/the-fix-is-in/#comments

alexhay
27-12-2006, 03:08 PM
This will be out of track. sorry orchui..want to share with you all,

a friend of mine graduated from the teacher college. And he was posted to teach in a school in Pahang or Terengganu, I cant really remember. He been living of his own saving and with parents help as the MOE did not pay his salary for almost one year.

when he approach MOE, on this matter, guess what the officer said to him. 'Biasa lar tu. Kalau Tak ada duit, mintak larr kat bapak atau mak'

My friend taruh him back 'Lu tak ada malu ka minta duit kat bapak atau mak. Lu sudah kerja larr'

Then after a while, only receive 2 months pay only. Thats was a few years back. Until today, MOE still owes him money. Now he is on his own business.

So, passion of being a teacher is already gone among youngster nowadays. With a mere less than RM1000, is not enough to survive in KL. Thats why a lot of teacher now turning into giving tuition.

Blue Jasmine
27-12-2006, 04:46 PM
CheeWen should find out how LickHung did it every year when their enrolment swelled beyond their capacity. They not only got temporary teachers but also found ways to pay them without burdening the parents. A successful school is run by resourceful and innovative managers.

Despite the school breaking at its seams and the use of temporary teachers, that school still managed to produce students with good results.

How Lick Hung did it? They organize plenty of after school tuition and charge the students for a fee. So why no temp teacher wants to work there? Lick Hung is a school full of rich parents even if im a teacher i wouldnt mind working there. And they did burden the parents. They have to pay up for all the COMPULSORY tuition class. The only reason parents never complain is because they are so rich (so is not a big deal )...and they also thinks is better..Money not an issue just make sure my childs get all A's if not the smartest.

If you happen to be studying there you will know.

Blue Jasmine
27-12-2006, 04:49 PM
the source of this problem is younger generation not interested in becoming teacher... this is so sad...
what the school needs to do now is to find more temporary teachers to ease the problem first.


Why not interested..look at the pathethic pay they get from the gov. Even the ppl nowadays rather sell kuey teow or kuih than teach. Money is such a motivation tools....

slappy
27-12-2006, 06:48 PM
In terms of numbers, what this country lack in teachers, it sure make up in politicians. I recall reading it somewhere that that UMNO's membership is like 3 million, MCA is like 500,000 and so on and on. That's like 1 politician every 15 citizens. That's much less than 1 to 55 students ratio in some school as pointed out by someone somewhere in this forum.

Contrary to what most parents believe, this country do believe in having the optimum ratio size. In fact, one is tempted to applaud Pak Lah's foresight in enlarging the cabinet to XXL-size sometime ago so that an optimimum size of ratio of cabinet minister:citizens could be achieved. Such foresight is rare nowadays. :D

starrnorth
28-12-2006, 04:28 AM
How Lick Hung did it? They organize plenty of after school tuition and charge the students for a fee. So why no temp teacher wants to work there? Lick Hung is a school full of rich parents even if im a teacher i wouldnt mind working there. And they did burden the parents. They have to pay up for all the COMPULSORY tuition class. The only reason parents never complain is because they are so rich (so is not a big deal )...and they also thinks is better..Money not an issue just make sure my childs get all A's if not the smartest.

If you happen to be studying there you will know.

Not all of them are rich. But they appreciate good stuff. The tuition fees is not high but collectively they managed to pay the teacher. This is a lesson in productivity also. The culture at such school is different. That is why there are so many A's in such schools.

You go to other schools, often you will find teachers missing ( attend kursus, or mesyuarat) and you will the studetns are left by themselves, talking away BUt if the teachers are paid for the lessons they give, you can bet they will be there whether got mesyuarat or not.

These are issues that differentiate one type of school from another, and that make the difference.

evelynlim
28-12-2006, 09:40 AM
How Lick Hung did it? They organize plenty of after school tuition and charge the students for a fee. So why no temp teacher wants to work there? Lick Hung is a school full of rich parents even if im a teacher i wouldnt mind working there. And they did burden the parents. They have to pay up for all the COMPULSORY tuition class. The only reason parents never complain is because they are so rich (so is not a big deal )...and they also thinks is better..Money not an issue just make sure my childs get all A's if not the smartest.

If you happen to be studying there you will know.

Sorry to side track to Lick Hung. Can I choose not to go for those tuition classes if I were to register my son with Lick Hung? I really do not want to send my son for all kinds of tuition at young age & get stress up with all this tuition & I don't need him to score all A's. Heard that students studying at Lick Hung are very stressful with loads of school work & tuition, really do not want my son to go through this but there are limited chinese primary school in SJ/USJ.

alexhay
28-12-2006, 10:03 AM
side track a bit..

why paying around rm400 over for one kid to study in a school which includes tuition fees and etc.

why not just sent your kids to a private school and pay about rm500+ even better..classes got air cond, low ratio of student per class... this even better

Blue Jasmine
28-12-2006, 10:25 AM
Sorry to side track to Lick Hung. Can I choose not to go for those tuition classes if I were to register my son with Lick Hung? I really do not want to send my son for all kinds of tuition at young age & get stress up with all this tuition & I don't need him to score all A's. Heard that students studying at Lick Hung are very stressful with loads of school work & tuition, really do not want my son to go through this but there are limited chinese primary school in SJ/USJ.


And is not easy to enrol your child in these school...Lick Hung / Chee Wen. First day registering your 5 year old child they will provide you with a donation form. Money is what matters.

CCY
28-12-2006, 11:20 AM
And is not easy to enrol your child in these school...Lick Hung / Chee Wen. First day registering your 5 year old child they will provide you with a donation form. Money is what matters.

I think you'll just have to accept that these schools have to resort that to survive. The gomen isn't helping here and not to mention putting more obstacle on the way to root it out of existance. I do not have to mention it here as bro orchi have done that elsewhere. You have to be fit enough to survive those first hurdle and churn out our future Malaysian that would be well prepared for a competitive open environment later.
Yes money does matters and help them if you can otherwise who else...the gomen ? The choice is yours to make and a tough one though.

SunwayKid
28-12-2006, 11:42 AM
And is not easy to enrol your child in these school...Lick Hung / Chee Wen. First day registering your 5 year old child they will provide you with a donation form. Money is what matters.
Being abrasive to a person or group who deserves it is one thing, but open hostility towards these schools is distasteful and does not make any sense. I don't wish to sound like a snob but you seemed to have a vengence against these schools. Are you part of the neglected school administration, couldn't get admission or someone who lost their inheritance to them?

Evelyn was just asking a question on choices (which I am certain there is) and kaboom....you continue with your money tirade. Again, why the hostility? Do you mean to suggest that these schools do not accept anyone that is poor and you were there at both schools simultaneously to witness a donation being coerced each time a parent register their child?

Please, the 1st post in this thread highlights the lack of facilities and what can we do to overcome this. Support, obviously is lacking from the authorities and if these schools don't help themselves, who will suffer in the end if not the students themselves. And while I don't have any child registered with both these schools, they can always count on my support whenever they embark on a charity drive because if we, in the community do not support them, who will?

orchipalar
28-12-2006, 01:26 PM
CheeWen should find out how LickHung did it every year when their enrolment swelled beyond their capacity. They not only got temporary teachers but also found ways to pay them without burdening the parents. A successful school is run by resourceful and innovative managers.

Despite the school breaking at its seams and the use of temporary teachers, that school still managed to produce students with good results.Err Dear Chang...SJK(c) Chee Wen moved to its new school with Std 1/2/3 classes...there has been NO graduations of Std 6 classes so far...

So each year the additional Std 1 NEW students intake...would require MORE NEW teachers...

The freaking MOE is very much aware of this...n when MORE enrolment of 2007 students require the school to run classes in afternoon session(NOT enough classrooms)...was subsequently approved by MOE...it would be expected of the MOE to provide adequate allocation of NEW teachers...to meet with the additional classes n increase of students.

Last year...the school was faced with similar problem after the NEW teachers showed up late by few days...BUT not to this extent of having the shortage of over 30 teachers...

Lick Hung would NOT have been faced with similar situation...of this extent...coz EACH year Lick Hung sees the graduation of their Std 6 classes with students leaving to secondary schools...

The ONLY temporary teachers Lick Hung had to contemplate with were the fewer ones to replace retiring teachers OR those that might be transferred to other schools OR those that quit teaching...

NEVER would ANY National Schools...be short of as many teachers like what SJK(c) is facing with now...

So now...once this is clear...can somebody be kind to tell Orchi...how the heck...would SJK(c) Chee Wen be expected to find MORE than 30 temporary teachers in such a short notice...???

kwchang
28-12-2006, 01:49 PM
...Can I choose not to go for those tuition classes if I were to register my son with Lick Hung? I really do not want to send my son for all kinds of tuition at young age & get stress up..As far as I know, these "tuition" classes only apply from Std 4 to Std 6. In Std 4, they have extra afternoon classes twice a week. In Std 5, these are extended to 3 or 4 times a week. In Std 6 they have the extra classes everyday including Saturday. The reason for all these is to gradually add extra classes to prepare the kids for the UPSR. These classes require some (but small amount) tuition fee and as far as I know, everyone attends. At the end of it all, the students are well prepared for the Std6 exams well before the exams itself. My son breezed through the exams as he was well prepared. I believe a lot of parents welcome these efforts by the school which is at minimal cost and it does not really benefit the teachers.

To answer the question of stress, I say that there are no stress in the classes organised by the school. In fact parents could stop all or reduce their extra out-of-school tuition and save some money. By the way, the out-of-school tuition are more stressful to the kids because they are usually at night and that puts a load on the children.

kwchang
28-12-2006, 01:53 PM
Err Dear Chang...SJK(c) Chee Wen moved to its new school with Std 1/2/3 classes...there has been NO graduations of Std 6 classes so far.....Orchi, I was refering to the earlier years at Lick Hung. I remember my son's year in Std 1 (he is now in Secondary school) where the enrolment suddenly expanded by about 5 classes due to a huge demand. This happened for only a few years and I believe it has stabilised. The school managed to add temporary teachers in a very short time. That was what I meant by learning from an established school on how they managed to overcome their problems.

evelynlim
28-12-2006, 02:29 PM
Thanks Chang for the clarification, really appreciate that :)

fRaNkY
28-12-2006, 02:31 PM
Normally kids are very relaxing....

Its the parents that made them stress... get good result... go good school... get good job... be rich.... *blah! blah! blah!*

Pity the kids especially in Klang Valley nowadays... Morning School, afternoon tuition... then piano class, ballet class, gymrama class, swimming lesson, martial arts class, sempua class, chinese class, chinese chess class, tennis class, sports, co-curri, this class.. that class ...then practise for this performance for that .... daddy also tired plus stress sending and fetching everyday!

orchipalar
29-12-2006, 03:14 PM
I remember my son's year in Std 1 (he is now in Secondary school) where the enrolment suddenly expanded by about 5 classes due to a huge demand.
The school managed to add temporary teachers in a very short time. That was what I meant by learning from an established school on how they managed to overcome their problems.Err dear Chang...as far as the school is concerned...NOTHING could prepare them for having a shortage of over 30 teachers for more than 16 NEW classes...even Lick Hung would piss in their pants so to speak with such a situation n with such an acute shortage of teachers...

SunwayKid
29-12-2006, 04:30 PM
Can this, the hijack of trained teachers from Chinese primary schools to national schools be the contributory factor to the shortfall that the schools are now facing?

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/12/29/nation/16436305&sec=nation

It was reported that THE Federation of Chinese School Teachers Associations (Jiao Zong) has slammed the Education Ministry for such hijacking and urged the hijackees to report their cases and contact Jiao Zong at 03-8736 2633.

orchipalar
02-01-2007, 10:41 PM
Can this, the hijack of trained teachers from Chinese primary schools to national schools be the contributory factor to the shortfall that the schools are now facing?

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/12/29/nation/16436305&sec=nation

It was reported that THE Federation of Chinese School Teachers Associations (Jiao Zong) has slammed the Education Ministry for such hijacking and urged the hijackees to report their cases and contact Jiao Zong at 03-8736 2633.Err buddy...lets see what happens in the morning...

Blue Jasmine
03-01-2007, 01:42 PM
Being abrasive to a person or group who deserves it is one thing, but open hostility towards these schools is distasteful and does not make any sense. I don't wish to sound like a snob but you seemed to have a vengence against these schools. Are you part of the neglected school administration, couldn't get admission or someone who lost their inheritance to them?

Evelyn was just asking a question on choices (which I am certain there is) and kaboom....you continue with your money tirade. Again, why the hostility? Do you mean to suggest that these schools do not accept anyone that is poor and you were there at both schools simultaneously to witness a donation being coerced each time a parent register their child?

Please, the 1st post in this thread highlights the lack of facilities and what can we do to overcome this. Support, obviously is lacking from the authorities and if these schools don't help themselves, who will suffer in the end if not the students themselves. And while I don't have any child registered with both these schools, they can always count on my support whenever they embark on a charity drive because if we, in the community do not support them, who will?

Who is hostile you or me? Second this is just my opinion and information that others have provided. Money is important to everyone - money is what matters. Where is the mistake in this statement?

SunwayKid
04-01-2007, 10:02 AM
Who is hostile you or me? Second this is just my opinion and information that others have provided. Money is important to everyone -money is what matters. Where is the mistake in this statement?

The mistake in that statement is that you claimed to speak for everyone! :p Anyway, that is beside the point.

The innuendos that you make that these two fine schools and their teachers are nothing more than blood-sucking vultures need to be addressed as these schools are not here to defend themselves. I have made my point. You have made yours. We can continue to go our separate ways.

Blue Jasmine
04-01-2007, 01:46 PM
The mistake in that statement is that you claimed to speak for everyone! :p Anyway, that is beside the point.

The innuendos that you make that these two fine schools and their teachers are nothing more than blood-sucking vultures need to be addressed as these schools are not here to defend themselves. I have made my point. You have made yours. We can continue to go our separate ways.


When did i say everyone? Just someone.Are you the child of the teacher or principal there? Or are u the teacher there? Why are you so mad at me? ANyway thanks for calling me a blood sucking vultures. How do u feel about calling people names? DO u feels better? What other names do u still want to address to me? Do u have the right to call ppl names? Who give u the authority? Have i critize u? Who give u the authority to address these two school as 'fine '. You can have you opinions so why cant i? Are u being fair at this moment?

orchipalar
04-01-2007, 05:02 PM
Err OK buddies...here's the latest that Orchi understands after having spoken to the school n the PIBG...

In their last minutes efforts to resolve the matter...they received positive responses and assistance from the relevant parties...n the MOE.

By the 29th of December 2006...they received the much anticipated relief allocation of teachers from the MOE's provision of 24 teachers who are mostly coming from the East Malaysia...n the school+PIBG would need to find additional 12 temporary teachers...to fill up the remaining positions...

n by the time the school session started on the 3rd January 2007 yesterday...even the headmaster n his volunteers were rushing to the LCCT terminal to pick up those teachers...n were doing their best also to find suitable accommodations for the teachers...

SunwayKid
04-01-2007, 05:34 PM
My apology Orchi, for davigating from the purpose of the thread.

Thanks for providing the update here as I was off tangent.

orchipalar
04-01-2007, 07:17 PM
Err buddy Sunwaykid:)...no worries about that...we just move on...

For better understandings...it is important that more parents ought be more concerned n involved with the functions n wellbeing of the schools...

Just hearing what their friends...neighbours or relatives would say things about a certain schools...wouldn't be fair either...

Throughout the initial campaigns for the USJ1 SJK(c) Chee Wen to get the necessary fundings for their new school...until now...both of Orchi's own kids are enrolled at the school...

There was NEVER a time when Orchi had experienced any difficulties in the enrollment process...other than deep anxiety that the school might not be allocated with enough classes to absorb the larger intake of NEW students...

n There was NEVER a time when Orchi had been imposed upon or FORCED to make any donations to the school's funding campaigns...

Simply because Orchi had understood n accepted for a fact that both Lick Hung n Chee Wen...had to be build entirely on corporate n private fundings...to begin with.

Orchi had donated out of compassions for the plight of many in thousands of their parents who would want n look forward to better educations for thousands of the growing up childrens...

n Orchi would also believe strongly that many of these parents would be donating on the grounds...

Btw...there have been those NON Chinese private individuals n other parents who DON'T have any of their own childrens enrolled in these schools...making their monetary donations to BOTH these SJK(c) schools too.

tictactoe
05-01-2007, 09:31 PM
yes $ does matter. with tht high an enrolment, you would expect Chee Wen to be able to get contributions easily right? Money matters but asking for $ at every turn is too much. Set up riddiculus rules and when trying to give a suggestion, reply u get is " this is the school's rules and regulations, if you don't like it you can sue me!" and this was from a (very loud with a hailer ) PTA committee member not the HM or any of the school staff mind you. Near riot on the first day of school during dismissal. There are some people puffed up with self importance there. so many stories, so sad, when faced with these things most people would just retreat and ignore which includes not caring to help the school.

orchipalar
06-01-2007, 12:13 AM
yes $ does matter. with tht high an enrolment, you would expect Chee Wen to be able to get contributions easily right?Err buddy...there are those parents who still think that they are 'entitled' to enroll their kids to the school of their choice to begin with...without any cooperations...or obligations or the need from them to contribute anything...irrespective of school's welfare or whether the school is entirely build with government grant or private donations...
Money matters but asking for $ at every turn is too much.Err...please explain how you come to that understanding n conclusion...
Set up riddiculus rules and when trying to give a suggestion, reply u get is " this is the school's rules and regulations, if you don't like it you can sue me!" and this was from a (very loud with a hailer ) PTA committee member not the HM or any of the school staff mind you. Near riot on the first day of school during dismissal. There are some people puffed up with self importance there.Err buddy...please do the school...other affected parents n students a great favour...by providing the necessary n coming forward to approach the school's governing board...with your claims of injustice that you have experienced with...
so many stories, so sad, when faced with these things most people would just retreat and ignore which includes not caring to help the school.Err...as a deeply concerned parent...Orchi would be more than pleased...to approach you n work with you to bring up the issues...n to resolve the stories or serious allegations that you may have heard of the school...together with the school's governing board n the PIBG(PTA)...

orchipalar
06-01-2007, 03:36 AM
Err buddy...there are those parents who still think that they are 'entitled' to enroll their kids to the school of their choice to begin with...without any cooperations...or obligations or the need from them to contribute anything...irrespective of school's welfare or whether the school is entirely build n managed with government grant or otherwise...by private donations(almost entirely)...PARENTS of non-Chinese children in Chinese schools agree that the Government should allocate more money to ensure the survival of these schools, reported Nanyang Siang Pau.

The money would help in the management and maintenance of these schools so that the children could study in a better environment.

They agreed that it was no longer just the responsibility of the Chinese community to protect Chinese primary schools as an increasing number of pupils of other races are enrolled there.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/1/5/nation/16478998&sec=nation

Err...the existing relevant issues of SJK(c) is not localized or limited to our USJ/Subang Jaya community only...

In fact...to a certain extent...Most if not All SJK(c) or National Type Chinese Schools or Independent Private Schools...are plagued with similar issues...arising from the lack of funding allocations by our freaking UMNO led BN government...

Prior to the 1980s...almost 50% or half of all Chinese Malaysian parents sent their childrens to national schools...but by 2006 last year...there were only 6% of those parents whom would send their kids to national schools...

n for instance...it was also reported that between 1995 to year 2000...under the 7th Malaysia Plan allocation for primary education development funds ...the UMNO led BN government had allocated 96.5% of the funds to national primary schools which had 75% of total primary students enrollment...

BUT the National Type Chinese primary schools which had a total of 21% of students enrollment...would receive ONLY 2.4% of the funds allocation...from the same freaking UMNO led BN government...

While the National Type Tamil primary schools which had a total of 3.6% of students enrollment...would ONLY receive 1% of the funds allocation.

n furthermore...despite even the fact that there are as many as 60,000 Non-Chinese students attending to all those so called the National Type Chinese Primary schools in the whole nation...our freaking UMNO led BN government still refuses to increase the funding allocations for the Chinese Primary Schools...

http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:Tsg9ONwIaUUJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Malaysia+private+chinese+schools+mala ysia&hl=en&lr=&strip=1

peterymlee
06-01-2007, 03:14 PM
Prior to the 1980s...almost 50% or half of all Chinese Malaysian parents sent their childrens to national schools...but by 2006 last year...there were only 6% of those parents whom would send their kids to national schools...


Orchi, I think one reason behind that trend is that most parents want their children to be multi-lingual, instead of just being bi-lingual. Many parents - Chinese or otherwise - are placing emphasis on being able to speak various languages, so Chinese schools in Malaysia do seem to be a preferred option.

Second reason in my opinion is the difficulty in getting into some of the national schools. In my case, I had wanted to enrol my son into the Wawasan school for the 2008 instake, but was given the reason that there were limited classes and that my residential address meant that my son would not be given preference (which I can understand).

Finally I believe it's also the perception of the standard between national and Chinese schools these days. In the 70s and 80s, many parents preferred English schools (those Lassalians and Convents) because they felt that the standards of teachers were much better. Now, that perception is that Chinese schools are better. Who knows, maybe one day when we are all rich and loaded, we will find private schools even better ...

Anyway, back to the original thread. I was talking to some parents who have enrolled their kids for the 2008 intake (like me), and they were planning to transfer their kids enrolment to Lick Hung instead. But I sincerely hope that Chee Wen will be able to resolve the problems quickly, and I for one will certainly support their efforts. So Orchi, if you need anything, you can count on me.

tictactoe
07-01-2007, 01:36 PM
dear orchi, as a deeply concerned parent myself i would be glad to have an open ear. There are things which are not suitable in a public forum. Is there a way i can contact you personally? Thank you.

orchipalar
07-01-2007, 10:37 PM
There are things which are not suitable in a public forum. Is there a way i can contact you personally? Thank you.Err buddy...thanks for your response...Orchi has dropped a contact in your Private Message box...

ASAP...please keep in touch...n lets pick up from there...TQ.

Blue Jasmine
10-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Do you mean to suggest that these schools do not accept anyone that is poor and you were there at both schools simultaneously to witness a donation being coerced each time a parent register their child?.



yes! this is wat happens- only at chinese schools in sj. If you do not donate a minimum amount they reject your application to these school - Chee Wen, Lick Hung and Wawasan. Sorry my workmate has appeal so many times. She has one daughter and the school she appeal to was WAWASAN - she stayed at STARVILLE Apartment. She got the offer letter to go to SUNGAI WAY instead. The reason she did not donate. SO she went to KEMENTERIAN and appeal. She appeal so many times. Also cannot all her appeal was rejected. I have stayed in Subang Jaya for 25 years - do you think i am speaking nonsense? She is not the only one alot of my chinese neighbour also having the same problem. Unless you already have a child in the school your application will not be rejected. If first child you need to make donation and is not RM 20 or RM10. Is likely to be RM1000. My bro in law has already make RM 2000 donation to Chee Wen just to ensure her daughter get a place. If you got the money no problem. What if you dont have any? If you do not know take this as a lesson!

Life Ranger
10-01-2007, 03:38 PM
yes! this is wat happens- only at chinese schools in sj. If you do not donate a minimum amount they reject your application to these school - Chee Wen, Lick Hung and Wawasan. Sorry my workmate has appeal so many times. She has one daughter and the school she appeal to was WAWASAN - she stayed at STARVILLE Apartment. She got the offer letter to go to SUNGAI WAY instead. The reason she did not donate. SO she went to KEMENTERIAN and appeal. She appeal so many times. Also cannot all her appeal was rejected. I have stayed in Subang Jaya for 25 years - do you think i am speaking nonsense? She is not the only one alot of my chinese neighbour also having the same problem. Unless you already have a child in the school your application will not be rejected. If first child you need to make donation and is not RM 20 or RM10. Is likely to be RM1000. My bro in law has already make RM 2000 donation to Chee Wen just to ensure her daughter get a place. If you got the money no problem. What if you dont have any? If you do not know take this as a lesson!
This is an open secret. Of late the set-up of the national parents' association is the consequence of the long time corruptions happened in the Chinese schools involving some of the administrators especially the headmasters. Tracing the cause leads all the way to the discriminating policies of the UMNO govmen. The unjustified policies not only threaten the basic educational rights of the people but also become bedrock of corruptions for certain parties. We as parents or beings that care about these schools, which have been a legacy that existent on this bolehland since 180 years and greatly contributory in the nation building, must be vigiliant against any evil intentions that could degenerate their foundations at all time in order to guanrantee continual healthy development.

ahbitchew
10-01-2007, 06:02 PM
My bro in law has already make RM 2000 donation to Chee Wen just to ensure her daughter get a place. If you got the money no problem. What if you dont have any? If you do not know take this as a lesson!

To donate to get into Chee Wen is crazy, the reason is that they have so many new classes to the extent that anyone who register with the school, be it from puchong or all the way from jalan ipoh, is accepted, no question asked. In fact before my son is accepted into chee wen, the headmaster expressly stated that donation will not have any bearing on whether your child will get a place in chee wen or not. So really do not know why your bro in law donated RM2000 when none is required.

Blue Jasmine
11-01-2007, 11:54 AM
To donate to get into Chee Wen is crazy, the reason is that they have so many new classes to the extent that anyone who register with the school, be it from puchong or all the way from jalan ipoh, is accepted, no question asked. In fact before my son is accepted into chee wen, the headmaster expressly stated that donation will not have any bearing on whether your child will get a place in chee wen or not. So really do not know why your bro in law donated RM2000 when none is required.

Really? I am so suprised!!! As the matter of fact he was told the other way. One teacher ( a chinese lady) working at Chee Wen happens to be their neighbour. She told them that they do have to make some sort of donations. So when they went and apply ( the staff at the school provide them with a donotion form) exactly what the teacher has said. They (the staff) even attached the photocopy of the child birth cert at the back of the donation form together with the application letter.

Am so confused, i will check with him again. Anyway thanks for the info, but its kinda of late now.

orchipalar
11-01-2007, 12:56 PM
Really? I am so suprised!!! As the matter of fact he was told the other way. One teacher ( a chinese lady) working at Chee Wen happens to be their neighbour. She told them that they do have to make some sort of donations. So when they went and apply ( the staff at the school provide them with a donotion form) exactly what the teacher has said. They (the staff) even attached the photocopy of the child birth cert at the back of the donation form together with the application letter.

Am so confused, i will check with him again. Anyway thanks for the info, but its kinda of late now.Err buddy...time n time again...like what many have mentioned here...Orchi would stress to you or others concerned with the same fact...

NEVER ONCE was Orchi ever been forced to donate anything to SJK(c) Chee Wen...anytime from the enrollment of Orchi's own kids to that school...until NOW.

AS PART of the few well organized charity campaigns to seek public supports...contribution forms n covering letters are there...to seek...encourage n urge the public to donate...including to those that wishes to enroll their childrens at that school...

Having stressed that...IT CAN NOT be misconstrued as the school has set a prerequisite or requirement for parents or anyone to make the donations...in order to apply for enrollment of their childrens to that school.

However...IT DOES NOT mean that the school would STOP all efforts to SEEK due considerations n compassions from the parents...or anyone whom may be WILLING to donate for the JUSTIFIABLE cause.

Blue Jasmine
11-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Err buddy...time n time again...like what many have mentioned here...Orchi would stress to you or others concerned with the same fact...

NEVER ONCE was Orchi ever been forced to donate anything to SJK(c) Chee Wen...anytime from the enrollment of Orchi's own kids to that school...until NOW.

AS PART of the few well organized charity campaigns to seek public supports...contribution forms n covering letters are there...to seek...encourage n urge the public to donate...including to those that wishes to enroll their childrens at that school...

Having stressed that...IT CAN NOT be misconstrued as the school has set a prerequisite or requirement for parents or anyone to make the donations...in order to apply for enrollment of their childrens to that school.

However...IT DOES NOT mean that the school would STOP all efforts to SEEK due considerations n compassions from the parents...or anyone whom may be WILLING to donate for the JUSTIFIABLE cause.


I will definetely check it out. Thanks for the info Orchi

orchipalar
11-01-2007, 05:15 PM
I will definetely check it out. Thanks for the info OrchiErr buddy...yes all it takes is for you to run down to the school to talk to the headmaster(who is retiring next year)...in the case if you are leaving very close to Chee Wen...he is a very dedicated headmaster cum teacher of the school(only 2 males so far).

He should be able to explain to you in more details how the system works there. So when the time comes for you to apply for enrollment...though the school would encourage(by handing out the contribution forms to you) you to donate...you can't be forced to donate when you apply...because that's your basic right to choose n enroll your children to a suitable school which is nearest to your home...

The selection of enrollment is actually decided by the MOE...when they get your application from Chee Wen...against the available numbers of seats n classes at the school that you have applied with...

But sometimes...they could put you at a school nearest to your house(ie kebangsaan school) because they want to encourage that...or they might allocate a place for your child at the school further from your home.(if none is available near to your home)

In time you would realize that all those rumours that you may have heard are UNTRUE...

1. Parents who live far but wishes to enroll their child at Chee Wen or Lick Hung...cos they don't have any Chinese school closer to their homes...or if the Chinese schools there are full...due to over enrollment(this can usually be avoided if you apply early)...so these parents become desperate...so they try to fool their ways into the school...(ie change their address with the one address(normally tumpang ones) that is closest to the school that they like)

2. So what happened was...many parents who is genuinely staying close to Chee Wen...failed to get a place because of the fouled practice by the other parents themselves...but we can't really blame them...it's about the poor policy n delivery system by the MOE.

3. So what happened then...parents are so desperate...they approach the school with donations...thinking that they could get a place there...but in reality that could be impossible...as if the school is already full...there is NOT much the school can do.

Although All donations are welcomed by the school...the headmaster would ALWAYS stressed the point that the donations by parents would NOT guarantee a place at the school...

Only when SOME of the parents learnt that their applications have been approved...n during registration time...they would feel oblige to make some contributions...

4. In the past the school have applied to MOE to approve for more classes for Standard 1 onwards...BUT the approval from MOE is very dependent on the school's own facility n capacity...if there is NOT enough class rooms...how to approve...?

5. So the school try their best to makes plans to extent the classrooms(but this requires enormous funds which the government won't support)...or to appeal for afternoon classes...which was dependent upon the approval by the MOE.(for year 2007 is approved)

6. n if the MOE feels that some requirements are fulfilled...they could then approve the enrollment of more students.

7. In fact...many of Chee Wen's students hail from farther community like... Puchong/Sunway/PJ/Shah Alam...where the existing SJK(c) there are full...or there is NO such SJK(c) school to begin with...n ALL of them got enrolled to Chee Wen NOT because of donations that their parents made...but the change of home addresses.(even if the school knows it...NOT much can be done)

This sort of practice has angered many parents in the past n present...

8. Of course there have been cases elsewhere...where parents could buy their way into certain schools...due possibly to the shortcomings faced by the relevant governance of the schools themselves...

In the case of SJK(c) Chee Wen...like many other SJK(c) schools...a lot of pains n efforts were put into the existence n subsequent development of the school...with the supports from voluntary governing members n private individuals from the general public...as well as "VIPs" patronage...political supports...n supports from corporate companies...who believe in the school.

ahbitchew
11-01-2007, 09:35 PM
well orchipalar has described their modus operanti. I believe they have no choice but to resort to this type of subtle persuasion to get the future parents to donate money to the school, after all government only allocate 2% of education budget to them.

I don't have to donate to get my son into Chee Wen. But after learning their financial situation ranging from subsidising temp teacher and buying tables and chairs for the student (those items are supposed to be supplied by govt, but as you know the school can apply for it but the tables and chairs will never be delivered) I started to donate to the best of my ability and regulary.

For those who think they are tricked to donate to the school, please don't be angry about it, at least the money is put to good use in educating the future generation.

orchipalar
15-01-2007, 10:53 AM
Err buddies...Orchi had gone to SRJK(c) Chee Wen this morning to meet with the headmaster Mr. Sia...on certain issues or grouses which were raised by some concerned parents who have their kids studying there recently...

However Orchi wishes to stress that Orchi has been working independently as a concerned parents...which bears NO representation of any parties...be it the PIBG(PTA) or the school's administration...

1. The Headmaster has informed Orchi that the earlier shortage of school teachers faced by the school has been fully resolved as of last week or the 2nd week...

2. He also explained that there are NO Standard 1 classes held in the morning session...n all 15 Standard 1 classes are held in the afternoon session.

3. In the afternoon session...since there are ONLY 6 available classrooms on the ground floor of the school building...9 other Standard 1 classes are housed on the 2nd Floor...(this is to refute the claims by some parents having complained that their Standard 1 kids had to drag heavy bags up to the 2nd floor, which was seen as an inconvenience, n probably done to favour some Standard 1 kids whose parents could be members of PIBG)

4. He further explained that...he is NOT aware of any notices being sent to parents which bears no English translation...n to the best of his knowledge...there would be NO notice sent to parents...unless the notices are in 2 languages meaning English n Mandarin.

5. He also stressed that those parents whom may have any misunderstandings arising with any members of the PIBG(PTA)...should be aware that those person(s) shall in NO way represent the school's administration...functions n operations. Parents should contact him n address all their concerns of their child's enrollment at the school as well as affairs of the school...with him directly.

6. The cost to use of identification tag which is to be worn by the Standard 1 students at the start of the school session is NOT fixed. Parents can choose to pay RM 1/2/3/4/5 or more...as a donation to the school.

7. He wishes to inform every parents that he is available to make any necessary arrangement to get the PIBG chairman Mr. Ng together...to meet with any concerned parents on matters affecting the school or their childrens...or students enrollment issues(which is totally a separate issue that has NO bearings on student enrollment process)...or its fund raising campaigns issues etc etc....at the school's meeting room(located next to his office) on every Saturday morning from 8:30am onwards...or anyday which is convenient to the parents...

Therefore...for those parents who may wish to bring up their complaints or concerns regarding any relevant matters of SRJK(c) Chee Wen...please do so as soon as possible...TQ.

peterymlee
15-01-2007, 12:00 PM
Orchi, although you may have approached Chee Wen as an "independent parent", my gratitude to you again. Indirectly, my worries have been reduced and my questions answered. My thanks.

orchipalar
15-01-2007, 02:19 PM
Orchi, although you may have approached Chee Wen as an "independent parent", my gratitude to you again. Indirectly, my worries have been reduced and my questions answered. My thanks.Err buddy Peterymlee:)...in the haste...Orchi forgot to mention that the on going construction of the school's Multi Purpose hall is already taking shape...physically.

Though the school is still running short of the sufficient funds for it...the issues to the welfare of the students at the school takes precedence to any shortcomings which the school may be facing right now...to hopefully ensure that the Multi Purpose hall would be completed without further delays...

The headmaster himself stresses that..."proper education to the students cannot wait..."...therefore those much needed n relevant facilities which are currently lacking at the school must be in place as soon as possible...

pepsi
15-01-2007, 02:29 PM
The answer is a resounding No. The idea is to force the people to enrol their kids into national schools for the purpose of racial integration. And that is all so wrong but there you go.
Are you sure that is their plan ? The idea to force kids into national schools for the purpose of racial integration ?Why would they do that ?The national schools have enough teachers and the best facilities, located in strategic location. They will advise you take it or leave it.If you don't take it, better for them.