Incident in Puncak Alam, Shah Alam - extracted

[danbee]

Based on STAR report..the victim not so innocent!!
But still no body should be treated like that even if the STAR report have some truth in it. :mad:

Innocent or not innocent OR married 2 time and having 2 children, is her personnal affair.

That does not give anybody the right to, as Sentinal said,'put 2 bullet through her head and blow her up with C4 explosive.'
What most of us in this forum feels is disgust and horror.
Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people. What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT.
SICKENING MURDERERS. :mad:

[Flynn]

What most of us in this forum feels is disgust and horror.
Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people. What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT.
SICKENING MURDERERS. :mad:
This comment is totally unfair. You have made a jump in logic and linked two unrelated subjects together. What have the wicked doings of some individuals got to do with your insinuations against the religious practices of forumers, whether they pray "umpteen times a day" or, as I understand of one religion, supposedly all the time? A wrong deed is a wrong deed. It's grossly unfair and immature to use this tragic crime as an opportunity to insult the tenets of any religion.

[danbee]

This comment is totally unfair. You have made a jump in logic and linked two unrelated subjects together. What have the wicked doings of some individuals got to do with your insinuations against the religious practices of forumers, whether they pray "umpteen times a day" or, as I understand of one religion, supposedly all the time? A wrong deed is a wrong deed. It's grossly unfair and immature to use this tragic crime as an opportunity to insult the tenets of any religion.

My post points to the person or persons who murdered the poor lady. Not to the entire or the religion as you have mantioned.
I am sure the person or persons who commited this deeds do pray a few times a day. Please read my post again. I am not insulting religion, and definetly not yours. Thank you .

[Flynn]

I am sure the person or persons who commited this deeds do pray a few times a day. Please read my post again. I am not insulting religion, and definetly not yours.

Who ever they are, ... What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT. SICKENING MURDERERS.
First of all, you assume that everyone prays. Then you assume that the people "whoever they are" (a thin attempt at sounding unbiased and impartial here) who committed this crime "sure" pray a few times a day. But your true biased opinion emerges when you make the comment that "maybe they will call this JIHAT". You are not talking about just anyone praying but are referring in general to a certain group of people belonging to a particular religion. Further, what have I written that leads you to (again) wrongly jump to the conclusion that you have insulted my religion, whatever that is?

If you have the temerity to publicly make that kind of an illogical connection in the first place, at least have the courage to own up to it instead of trying to wriggle your way out of what you've written.

The only thing that you have assumed correctly here is that the people who committed the crime are sickening murderers.

[danbee]

My earlier post.

Innocent or not innocent OR married 2 time and having 2 children, is her personnal affair.

That does not give anybody the right to, as Sentinal said,'put 2 bullet through her head and blow her up with C4 explosive.'
What most of us in this forum feels is disgust and horror.
Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people. What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT.
SICKENING MURDERERS.
Replying to yo last post>

In the first place I did not assume that everyones pray. It dont bother me.
In the second place as I said, I was directly refering to the person or persons who commit the crime. May they be christian or hindu or that religion (that you are so concern with)(would not like to name it just in case it sting you again)
My first two words "Maybe they" refer to the 3 accused and not refering to to the general people of that religion

You are not talking about just anyone praying but are referring in general to a certain group of people

Did you see that sentence in my post, mr.flynn

And If you are not from that religion, what is your problem.
I am not trying to wriggle my way out of anything.
I stand tall to what I have posted.

As to the word Jihat. Its happening all over the place.Its an everyday topic.

For your information I have great respect for all kind of religion. I stand tall and strong in my Christian life. I have respect for islam and any religion but not the hepocrites who say they are, but commit all kind of sins.Tho it not for me to judge others.
And thank you for pointing out to me that my assumsion on "the people who commited the crime are sickening murderers" is correct.
I have no axe to grind with you. What I have posted here in this forum is how one feels about the crime committed. Cheers

[Flynn]

May they be christian or hindu or that religion (that you are so concern with)(would not like to name it just in case it sting you again).

And If you are not from that religion, what is your problem.

As to the word Jihat. Its happening all over the place.Its an everyday topic.

For your information I have great respect for all kind of religion. I stand tall and strong in my Christian life. I have respect for islam and any religion but not the hepocrites who say they are, but commit all kind of sins.Tho it not for me to judge others.
My "problem", as you put it, is that:

1. ... it's obvious that you think I am stung and concerned because you hit out at Islam and its adherents (let's put a name to the religion and its believers since that is obviously what you are referring to in your posts).

2. ... you think that only Muslims should defend Islam (or Christians defend Christianity, or Hindus defend Hinduism, or Sikhs defend Sikhism, ad infinitum). I took issue with your unfair comment because you assumed the guilty parties are Muslims (you are already judge and jury on this) and that you link their actions to the possibility that they may think it's "jihat". Where is the logic in that? All kinds of people have the potential to commit murder, including you, no matter how strong their faith in their religion.

It's not Islam/Muslims per se that I am defending. I would also have spotted your immaturity and unfairness if you had commented, for instance, on a murderer who professes to belong to a church, and made the same kind of illogical reference to "maybe they will call this crucifixion or resurrection". Or if you had said of a criminal who attends a gurdwara and made immediate reference to "maybe they will call this turban-wearing".

3. ... it's not the word "JIHAT" itself; it's your linking it to the murder. Can you explain what the connection is?

4. ... your trying to wriggle out of the situation is plain to see. So read the above and read your posts again and see if you've not already shot yourself in your foot by saying you do not judge others.

If you can't see what your problem is, there's no point in any further rebuttals. There is a reason that Jesus called the Pharisees white sepulchres.

[danbee]

If you can't see what your problem is, there's no point in any further rebuttals.

Thats it. You are right. Full stop. No point my going over and over again explaining to you what you cannot understand.

You can be the defendent of Islam or kingdom come. Non of my business.
You can be what you want to be in here> not my problem.
This is not the place to go fight over what we write.
So get of my back. If you don't like what I write, like other forumers here write, don,t read it. Savy!!??

[pcyeoh]

If you can't see what your problem is, there's no point in any further rebuttals.

Thats it. You are right. Full stop. No point my going over and over again explaining to you what you cannot understand.

You can be the defendent of Islam or kingdom come. Non of my business.
You can be what you want to be in here> not my problem.
This is not the place to go fight over what we write.
So get of my back. If you don't like what I write, like other forumers here write, don,t read it. Savy!!??
The way you answer or comment on other people's postings is downright rude. If you have the habit of posting something here and telling people "if you don't like what I write, like other forumers here write, don,t read it." There are many postings that many of us don't like the way they have been written and yes, we don't read them. But if someone like Flynn bothered to bring it up, it is definitely an issue. In this particular case, I fully agree with Flynn. You can stand tall and be proud but one day you still have to bow down to your Creator. Be a gentleman and read again why your posting make people like her and me felt uncomfortable on what you say about others and even made judgement on them. Your insinuation is surely pointing to a group of people of a certain religion and there is no doubt about it so again I will repeat what Flynn has said " Don't try to wriggle out of the situation."

[Jane Bong]

Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people. What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT.
SICKENING MURDERERS. :mad:

This is a sickening post. I would also venture to say this is not the sort of remark anybody would say despite you claiming "I stand tall and strong in my Christian life".

[clleena]

Danbee, it is so obvious what you meant and like what PC Yeoh said "do not wriggle out of it" My respect to Flynn, PCYeoh and Jane Bong.

[danbee]

pcyeoh, jane bong, clleena,
Please do read my first post. Is it anti a certian religion.?
My post is about the 3 accuse who happen to be from the religion concern, who murdered the lady.
That they are no better than the talibans.
Is that anti Islam.
Flynn came in an said that I was insulting a certian religion, which I did not.
And here you came in and accused me that I am rude.
I am only rude to people who are rude to me.

[RobotdeNiro]

danbee has done NOTHING wrong...

I support danbee's post 100% :cool:

What does any of her/his posts got to do with anti-Islam?

[danbee]

Originally Posted by danbee
Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people. What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT.
SICKENING MURDERERS.

1) The above post or statement is not refering to any individual or religion in this forum,but to the 3 accused.

2) clleena your post:
Danbee, it is so obvious what you meant and like what PC Yeoh said "do not wriggle out of it" My respect to Flynn, PCYeoh and Jane Bong.

Clleena, can you tell me what you meant: when you said that[U]"it is obvious what you meant" what so obvious? You dont understand my post.
AND Do I look like I am wriggling out.

3) jane bong,

This is a sickening post. I would also venture to say this is not the sort of remark anybody would say despite you claiming "I stand tall and strong in my Christian life".

Jane bong what is so sickening with that post.My first post:

We read every day of murder, people blowing up innocent people, people got beheaded in s. thailand. People get short in Philippin. Are they not sickening.
I repeat I am not insulting flynn or any body or religion in this post.

"Yes, I will stand tall and strong in my Christian life."

4) pcyeoh
The way you answer or comment on other people's postings is downright rude.

Was I commenting on anybody's post? Please read my first post and than read flynn first post also.
She was commenting on my post saying that I insulted the tenets of any that particular religion.
Again I said I did not and was insulting any religion.
I would like to repeat. My comment was at the 3 accuse in this thread.

If the 4 of you still say that I am rude, insult somebody or religion than let it stay that way.

[Teeque]

Innocent or not innocent OR married 2 time and having 2 children, is her personnal affair.

That does not give anybody the right to, as Sentinal said,'put 2 bullet through her head and blow her up with C4 explosive.'
What most of us in this forum feels is disgust and horror.
Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people. What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT.
SICKENING MURDERERS. :mad:
with due respect, danbee, i feel ur disgust abt the accused and their acts of horror and that their acts are, in ur words, 'no better than the talibans or the murderers in S. thailand who keep on murdering....' I'm sure most forummers would agree with you til this point. But to post 'What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT' would hv insinuated a religion no matter if you are refering to the accused, their acts or their religion. now danbee, if you hv posted ur posting without the contentious words mentioned above, how would that sound? read it and see...

"Innocent or not innocent OR married 2 time and having 2 children, is her personnal affair.

That does not give anybody the right to, as Sentinal said,'put 2 bullet through her head and blow her up with C4 explosive.'
What most of us in this forum feels is disgust and horror.
Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people.
SICKENING MURDERERS."

better that way? u wouldnt hv inferred anything untowards to any religion, wouldnt it?

[Jane Bong]

with due respect, danbee, i feel ur disgust abt the accused and their acts of horror and that their acts are, in ur words, 'no better than the talibans or the murderers in S. thailand who keep on murdering....' I'm sure most forummers would agree with you til this point. But to post 'What so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT' would hv insinuated a religion no matter if you are refering to the accused, their acts or their religion. now danbee, if you hv posted ur posting without the contentious words mentioned above, how would that sound? read it and see...

"Innocent or not innocent OR married 2 time and having 2 children, is her personnal affair.

That does not give anybody the right to, as Sentinal said,'put 2 bullet through her head and blow her up with C4 explosive.'
What most of us in this forum feels is disgust and horror.
Who ever they are, they are no better that the talibans or the murderers in S thailand who keep on murdering innocent people.
SICKENING MURDERERS."

better that way? u wouldnt hv inferred anything untowards to any religion, wouldnt it?

Tequee. You have put in eloquently. Thank you. On top of that, I disagree with self-proclaimation of "Yes, I will stand tall and strong in my Christian life." Not because you cannot proclaim it but you proclaim it in the same breath as the "so great about praying umteen times a day. Maybe they will call this JIHAT". If that is what a tall and strong Christian does, no wonder half of the population in this world doesn't trust Christianity.

Thank goodness not all Christians, whether tall, strong, short, weak, fat or thin, think like you do.

[kwchang]

...I am sure the person or persons who commited this deeds do pray a few times a day. Please read my post again. I am not insulting religion, and definetly not yours....As I see it, Danbee's comments were a direct reference to the murderers (no doubt about that) but it is grossly unfair to make statements about Muslims (the 5 times prayer bit and further mentions of Talibans and the like). Flynn was just pointing out what I am saying here. I do not see how Danbee should go on to argue about what he wrongly said. The banana is awarded

[danbee]

To Mr.kwchang / all forumers

My apologies to all forumers for the misunderstanding and argument that arises from my badly constructed and worded post.