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de_scorpio
01-11-2006, 12:12 AM
Tearful Zakaria tells why he needs mansion
Oct 31, 06 6:56pm

With tears flowing freely and flanked by his sons and staunch supporters, embattled Port Klang assemblyperson Zakaria Md Deros today gave a detailed explanation on the reasons which led to the building of his 17-room mansion without proper approval from the Klang Municipal Council of which he is also a councillor.



Best Actor of Oscar Award 2006 !!!!

scorgio
01-11-2006, 12:27 AM
Where's the news link?

I want to see what 'stupid' excuses he gave.

de_scorpio
01-11-2006, 12:40 AM
i saw it on TV3 News, damn funny,

Flynn
01-11-2006, 12:42 AM
Darn, I missed it. What did he say?

mlkok
01-11-2006, 01:20 AM
You would think our politikus would have the intelligence to come out with better excuses instead of these lame-brained explanations that makes him look more the part of a clown. :eek:

Flynn
01-11-2006, 01:26 AM
What reasons did he give for needing the mansion? What lame-brained explanations?

TiNKeRFY
01-11-2006, 01:26 AM
He said he built the 4 storey mansion cos he had 11 kids.. and hope soon got more...

then like that, those running an orphanage should have the entire block of condo all for themselves...

really crappy acting.. :mad:
wearing really "normal" clothing, office boy style, dull colours, uncombed hair...
seriously, he should hire a better image consultant whose specialised for these scenes...

if he really get to cruise through this smoothly, I'm not gonna be bothered to vote anymore...

sinleong
01-11-2006, 03:01 AM
very dramatic... u can also read from the SUN at http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=15971

he tried to say that the PM supports him and told him to be patient. probably true... both of them are the same kind.

he said he delayed in meeting the sultan because he had to get treatment in hospital... but he didnt say how he ended up in a chalet in melaka.

he tried to blame his architect, his choice of land and the opposition party for his woes.

issues he did not address:
1. how he managed to buy the land for a fraction of the cost!
2. his satay stall has no license and on government land - while his competitor's satay stall who has a license was demolished because of an illegal extension!
3. why he didnt pay so many years of assessment?

i am quite concerned that the MB khir toyo said that zakaria can only be fined for his offences. isn't the MB aware that the property need to be torn down too? certainly if it was your house or my house, it would have been torn down already.

he finished off by saying "I hope with this extensive explanation, I will no longer be looked upon as a wakil rakyat and a councillor who knowingly dodged the laws and regulations set by the local authority"

so next time we break the law, we can say "saya tak tau..." maybe the law enforcers will let you go.

TiNKeRFY
01-11-2006, 03:05 AM
he finished off by saying "I hope with this extensive explanation, I will no longer be looked upon as a wakil rakyat and a councillor who knowingly dodged the laws and regulations set by the local authority"


Of cos he won't be.. Cos he'd be sacked by the time this issue cools off..

Flynn
01-11-2006, 03:09 AM
he tried to say that the PM supports him and told him to be patient. probably true... both of them are the same kind.


so next time we break the law, we can say "saya tak tau..." maybe the law enforcers will let you go.
The next time we break the law, we can say "my mudder support, my farder support, my MB say semuanya ok, ..."

Teeque
01-11-2006, 03:33 AM
The writing is on the wall. The MB's time is up, he has to go....

yinchau
01-11-2006, 04:53 AM
if he really get to cruise through this smoothly, I'm not gonna be bothered to vote anymore...

Please! No matter he cruise through or not, you should always vote! For the opposition of course, even for PAS!

Only when BN doesn't hold majority, or even lose, then they'll start to respect the voters.

yinchau
01-11-2006, 04:58 AM
so next time we break the law, we can say "saya tak tau..." maybe the law enforcers will let you go.
Who's the guy who cheated with the AP? He and his son both said "saya tak tau...", and now the whole issue has quiet down, and he's unpunished.

USJ27Resident
01-11-2006, 05:59 AM
....so next time we break the law, we can say "saya tak tau..." maybe the law enforcers will let you go.

Hallo! Dream on.... if you are a layman or a commoner, they will haul you up to court - with full pic of you, (trying to!) covering your face in the national newspapers and... the story goes on.

BUT... if you are connected, or have the connection, or your fadder or your marder is connected, or if you, your farder or marder got title... then it is a different story ... just like the ONE EYE JACKass or the APsenator and son... and DPPs that suddenly dunno how or what to do ...

boomarang
01-11-2006, 08:00 AM
I read the link provided by sinleong. What stood out was this paragraph: "Yesterday, the Klang Umno division held an emergency meeting and said it fully backed its chief. It also urged Mohd Khir to retain Zakaria as a councillor, and said the entire brouhaha was the work of the Opposition to discredit Zakaria".

The news went further: "Zakaria also said he had met Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi at 10.15am on Sunday at TUDM airport in Subang before the latter left for China. He advised me to be patient and look for a solution to the problem, especially the best way in stopping the negative coverage by the media, he said".


What utter S*** with a capital S. This country has become a joke.

boomarang
01-11-2006, 08:09 AM
From the same source: "He said it was his and his wife's intention to build and leave the house behind as a legacy for their children, grandchildren and the local community".

Does it mean that the people of Klang can use the rooms in his house to check guests in, use his garden for flea market and have friends in for BBQ parties ar? Very good leh. Such generosity.

kress
01-11-2006, 09:06 AM
hmmmm.... still can't beat the other one who sweared with the Quran.. Amateur la this fler.. :p

sirgalahad2010
01-11-2006, 09:07 AM
He said he built the 4 storey mansion cos he had 11 kids.. and hope soon got more...
...

And 11 grandchildren..........

Must be the Tongkat Ali in the Port Klang water supply! :D :D :D

Seriously, it was reported that the Umno Supreme Council will discuss this case at its meeting tomorrow.

And Najib said that "Umno is not happy with what is happening."

Now, will there be exposes of other local councillors by the media, or will the powers-that-be put a gag order on all this? This is where the Internet and the blogging community in Malaysia come of age!

hhtee
01-11-2006, 09:36 AM
goto this URL http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/11/1/nation/15883418&sec=nation

for the video too

Sentinel
01-11-2006, 09:48 AM
I am lucky to be so far away from what is happenin' coz I think I would get in trouble if I'm anywhere near there, seriously if I am anywhere near this Zakaria guy, Toyo or the PM, I would probably spit and slap each one of them and face the music, such is my character, these bunch of hypocrites!

If those UMNO member really held an emergency meeting and supported their chief and even clamoured for him to remain as councillor, well thats not only a slap in the face to HRH the Sultan of Selangor but to all honorable Malaysians who think he should rightly resign and tear down his mansion....

If Pak Lah did indeed say that this is all opposition members flaming the issue and to be patient and resolve the problem, well, I think he should just stay on in China and not come back.

C'mon guys, make sure you remember all these come the next election. Just never, never forget this time. :mad:

hhtee
01-11-2006, 09:50 AM
Who's the guy who cheated with the AP? He and his son both said "saya tak tau...", and now the whole issue has quiet down, and he's unpunished.
Luckily Zakaria didn't say, "saya tidak tau mesti submit plan"
or
"saya tidak tau mesti jumpa Sultan"

Sentinel
01-11-2006, 09:53 AM
Seriously, it was reported that the Umno Supreme Council will discuss this case at its meeting tomorrow.

And Najib said that "Umno is not happy with what is happening."

Don't be too happy too fast Sir G! For all we know, Najib was merely saying UMNO isn't happy because :

i. one of their own cannot even build a 4-storey mini-Istana without hassle;

ii. that the opposition has nothing better to do and keep on disturbing the UMNO supporters, and ;

iii. the palace is interfering in politics and state administrative matters.

That is the Najib I know and I am sure many other Malaysians, apa boleh buat, we voted them in!!!! :mad:


Remember All These In The Next GENERAL ELECTION, Jangan Mudah Lupa, yah! Oh, Sudah Register Sebagai Pengundi? :D

hhtee
01-11-2006, 09:58 AM
If those UMNO member really held an emergency meeting and supported their chief and even clamoured for him to remain as councillor, well thats not only a slap in the face to HRH the Sultan of Selangor but to all honorable Malaysians who think he should rightly resign and tear down his mansion....

I fully agree with you.

I don't like the idea of this Zakaria going against the Sultan.

charis14
01-11-2006, 10:01 AM
Of cos he won't be.. Cos he'd be sacked by the time this issue cools off..This is Malaysia and things will continue to be done the "Malaysian" way. By the time the issue cools off, things will be back to "normal" i.e. "He has repented and been penalised. Let's forgive and forget, recognising his tremendous contribution to the citizens in Kampung Idaman and party."

charis14
01-11-2006, 10:07 AM
...that the opposition has nothing better to do and keep on disturbing the UMNO supporters, and ...The governing party knows that the opposition is not a threat - nobody bothered when DAP's Teng Chang Khim raised the issue in Feb 2006 (http://tengchangkhim.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_tengchangkhim_archive.html).
The threat is The Sun as well as the increasing interest in alternative internet media.

hhtee
01-11-2006, 10:14 AM
Why this Zakaria fella wasn't using his brains ?

If he followed rules, regulations and law, all this publicity would not have occured. Take it like a MAN lah (that is if he is one), if you made a mistake, receive the consequences. Don't be like a cry baby.

If this is the case, anyone can go around breaking the law and crying. I also can cry whenever I want.

haha.... use satay's sambal sauce from DZ Satay lah.....(opps.... closed down liao so temporary no tears from me)

firefox
01-11-2006, 10:26 AM
if the sultan is serious he should strip this cheat of his title immediately to show an example for others.

Sentinel
01-11-2006, 10:26 AM
This is Malaysia and things will continue to be done the "Malaysian" way. By the time the issue cools off, things will be back to "normal" i.e. "He has repented and been penalised. Let's forgive and forget, recognising his tremendous contribution to the citizens in Kampung Idaman and party."

Something tells me not this time Charis, something tells me things will be different this time around.

They might bring in truckloads of Nasi Kandar from Chai Leng Park and all those stuff and win some seats in the rural constituencies but the "more educated and informed" constituencies will fall this time. I even think they might lose Trengganu and even Penang this time, but for different reasons.

And if they keep changing the imams in Selangor, who knows.... :eek:

Zimon
01-11-2006, 12:27 PM
" it my architect's fault"
" my house is smaller "
"everyone is also doing it"

--- councillor with this kind of thinking and intelligence (if there is any at all) - how the heck are they going to run the show?

Break the law and sorry , you are done for. tear it down, regardless of whether its almost complete and fine them even more especially when they are councillors and they are the one enforcing the rules.. whether it is ignorant or arrogant, sack them ALL, they are not fit to be a councillor.

A few crocodile tears and hope to be reinstated ??? I hope the "people in power" is smart enough to make the right decision, without fear or favour. A wrong decision means - making a mockery of the situation, having no respect to the royalty's request, telling the public that "it's okay to break the law, show some tears and everthing okay" , and let the whole world see and laugh at how we do them things here.

BTW, where is the taxmen, ? Shouldnt LHDN peep into their files? maybe thats why my tax refund is 'outstanding'.

bugbear
01-11-2006, 12:36 PM
Guys, lets cut the crap here. If no substantial action taken against this Z fellow...use your voter's right really carefully when the next GE is around.

pucman
01-11-2006, 12:48 PM
He said he built the 4 storey mansion cos he had 11 kids.. and hope soon got more...

...

Most people can't even afford 4 kids nowadays ! Does that mean that if I have 100 kids, I can have a place like the forbidden city ? :rolleyes:

For sure, it is corruption money.

charis14
01-11-2006, 01:52 PM
The elite are CLEAN and beyond corruption. Our political masters realised 2 decades ago that there is no need for corruption when you are in power. Instead, just arrange for legalised monopolies, incentives, support or whatever.
For example, issuing AP to myself may be morally questionable but is not legally wrong. Arranging for my friends' companies to monopolise certain segments of business (e.g. rice imports) or government's operation is also not legally wrong. It is also not legally wrong if my contractor friends wish to bless me by building a house.

Chia Hak Soon
01-11-2006, 02:10 PM
Sorry I cannot help but to let you know that TDM curb the Sultan's privileges during his term as PM but he forgot to curb the privileges of ministers,MPs, MBs, and Councillors. It appears that now even the councillors have more privileges than the sultans. that's why Tuanku is mad.

Life Ranger
01-11-2006, 02:10 PM
Where's the news link?

I want to see what 'stupid' excuses he gave.
Tearful Zakaria tells why he needs mansion
Oct 31, 06 6:56pm
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/58825

2-minute video of Zakaria's tearful press conference
http://www.malaysiakini.tv/

:cool:

new3
01-11-2006, 02:16 PM
Zakaria crying to get sympathy from the public bcos "he made a mistake". Sure everyone makes mistake but this is a CRIME...and he should be investigated and punished.

Also quoted him as saying “I thank those, including the media, for giving me guidance on the need to follow rules and regulations.....”

What do we "the ordinary people" get we don't follow rules and regulations"? We get penalised or end up in jail.

U go figure out. Ini macam pun boleh..ah?

bslee
01-11-2006, 02:23 PM
The elite are CLEAN and beyond corruption.

Let me re-word that statement: The elites (OF at least 2-3 decades ago) are likely CLEAN and beyond corruption. They lived and died a normal person and within what they earned..basic salary and some government perks (fair allowances, claims, housing, loans, etc). Those who received state or government awards truly deserve for merit and service to the nation. Its different now!...needless to elaborate further.

Times and the moods have changed. TDM once said its nothing wrong (perhaps blame him for starting the trend) if government servants want to become very wealthy through other legal means for example becoming director or presidents of this & that and receiving salaries from other sources. With all that renumeration, generally no need to be more evil or its their very wise decision never abuse their power or involve themselves which will stain their reputation forever.

I may be right or wrong, I'm told a government servant cannot do something else like operating a business or on the payroll of others as its in direct conflict of interest. What has become of it now?.

Sentinel
01-11-2006, 03:31 PM
Sorry I cannot help but to let you know that TDM curb the Sultan's privileges during his term as PM but he forgot to curb the privileges of ministers,MPs, MBs, and Councillors. It appears that now even the councillors have more privileges than the sultans. that's why Tuanku is mad.

I think he curbed the powers of the Sultans not because to curb their excesses but to have them all to himself and his cronies.

Those days, the royalties could bring in as many luxury cars tax-free as they had so wished.

They have sole authority over state land matters (and that included TIMBER! concessions), water supply and religion in their respective states.

SEMUANYA SAMA-SAMA...

bslee
01-11-2006, 04:06 PM
I think he curbed the powers of the Sultans not because

From one view, its also in the best interest of the nation where there always a chance of abuse. Afterall its the rakyat's money!

Cronies?.. needless to elaborate... I rest my case! :cool:

charis14
01-11-2006, 04:08 PM
Agree with Sentinel. TDM did not forget to curb the power of his team members. Malaysia's elite political party has developed the fine art of Sharing to grow one's power base. This process builds "loyal" supporters who will be ever willing to declare "black is white".

jianwei85
01-11-2006, 04:26 PM
the video clip of his 'confession' by the star online.

The Video Link (http://thestaronline.com/news/story.asp?file=/2006/11/1/nation/15883418&sec=nation)

it will load faster compared to malaysiakini.tv's video clip.

hhtee
01-11-2006, 05:00 PM
Most people can't even afford 4 kids nowadays ! Does that mean that if I have 100 kids, I can have a place like the forbidden city ? :rolleyes:

For sure, it is corruption money.

if you are gonna have 100 kids, maybe you can build THE PALACE OF THE GOLDEN HORSES2 and MUST know how to cry.

idolfan
01-11-2006, 05:01 PM
the video clip of his 'confession' by the star online.

The Video Link (http://thestaronline.com/news/story.asp?file=/2006/11/1/nation/15883418&sec=nation)

it will load faster compared to malaysiakini.tv's video clip.


awww... I feel so bad, .. shux .... he is such a humble family loving person .. how could all this misunderstanding arise ..does anyone else feel bad for tarnishing his reputation?

hhtee
01-11-2006, 05:04 PM
I don't feel bad dude.

I mean first of all, as a councillor, he should be abiding by the law regardless of whether he came from humble background or not.

would you like it when I am nice to everyone, kind to everyone but I cheated your money and make use of it to be popular by being nice to everyone, kind to everyone and when I am caught, I cry and say I had been nice and kind to everyone? Perhaps you are viewing this Zakaria as Robin Hood ?

Don't let the croc tears fool ya my friend.

idolfan
01-11-2006, 05:11 PM
;) gotcha.. ;)


crucify him !!!!

hhtee
01-11-2006, 05:14 PM
aiyo.... crucify him is too much lah ....
haha

when you said crucify, that reminds me of that Mel Gibson's show.... Passion of the Christ....and that's why I said crucifying is too much

glee
01-11-2006, 05:31 PM
I'm surprised PM has chosen to stay silent about all this so far. The whole thing is getting out of hand already.

firefox
01-11-2006, 05:39 PM
PM knows he is not the only crook in town there are countless of them and on his part it would be unfair just to pick this one. but he still could if he got the guts.

drewkool
01-11-2006, 05:58 PM
“We feel really close to the people here and that is why, despite our new prosperity, we still choose to remain here because we want to continue serving people here,” Zakaria said.

“Together with other leaders, we have helped to build a mosque to replace the dilapidated surau, construct a sekolah agama rakyat and primary school.”


it makes into one of the biggest jokes of my life so far...

jasonbhlee
01-11-2006, 05:59 PM
I'm surprised PM has chosen to stay silent about all this so far. The whole thing is getting out of hand already.


You cannot expect a crab to teach its children how to walk properly, can you?

idolfan
01-11-2006, 06:47 PM
Words of PM as reported in Sun Oct 19.

Acknowledging the people's anger with Datuk Zainal @ Zakaria Mat Deros, he said the Selangor government will act according to the relevant laws.

"From the people's perspective, this action is not acceptable as we are the ruling government and he holds a position representing the government," he said.

"Of course, the people will be unhappy about this. Even if he wanted to do (build his mansion), he should have obtained permission. When he went ahead to build without permission, of course people will be upset and angry about such incidents."
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=15892


I guess PM did not expect Zak to repeat what was told to him.
>> on Sun 29 Oct.

Zakaria also said he had met Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi at 10.15am on Sunday at TUDM airport in Subang before the latter left for China.

"He advised me to be patient and look for a solution to the problem, especially the best way in stopping the negative coverage by the media," he said.
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=15971

Sentinel
01-11-2006, 07:35 PM
Elegant silence, my foot! This is another opportunity to show you have got the ballz to rule this country correctly and fairly but again you chickened out!

"Work with me, not with me" my foot! How to work with you when you do not even do the right thing?

Pak Lah, please realize that people are not just angry with this Zakaria dude, we are all pissed with Toyo and the likes of you, the writings are on the wall! :mad:

Raikonen
01-11-2006, 07:44 PM
"He advised me to be patient and look for a solution to the problem, especially the best way in stopping the negative coverage by the media," he said.[/COLOR]
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=15971

another quotable quotes from our wise PM...It must be contagious coz we also heard from our developed state MB saying

“In the regulations it does not say that people who break the law cannot be appointed councillors. We appoint people according to their party positions..I will follow the orders, which say appointment of councillors has to be according to their party positions. So if there is any problem we will refer to the party management.”

Semuanya OKKKKKKKKK :D

pepsi
01-11-2006, 08:07 PM
Wah, we all must sound like a cold, unsympathetic lot.What do u expect, years of "abuse", no one can feel any sympathy for the guy. While the rakyat suffers in silence , he was enjoying all the luxuries till someone "exposed" him. Now he is crying ? Yes, he is crying genuine tears not "crocodile tears" b'cos now he is "suffering" from embarassment, feeling sorry for himself and most probably a desprate attempt to save his family heritage.
For his info, the rakyat do not have such luxury of building such a home. Some families,even 2 members only cannot even afford a house but rent. So don't give us all that stupid excuses. If he followed the rules by the book, he won't b in this perdicament. Did it occur to him that GOD may be telling him something ?
I would suggest that he resigned in a dignified manner and don't cry in front of live television. He even allowed the photographers take his picture ???So pathetic that no one handed him a tissue or a hanky until towards the end .
I would have been embarassed to show the public that I was crying like a baby. Please don't let it be shown overseas. Ouch

Piggy
01-11-2006, 08:28 PM
Erm... if he built such a big mansion, better off without it & donate his $$ to the poorer families! Well, there are soooo many people POOR!!! OR donate to the poverty countries!

Built mansion for his sons, daughters, grandson grand daugthers??? How about those WITHOUT house?? or without a proper home!

Gosh... before he go out & make statements, better think before giving "SPEECHES" without MEANING!

de_scorpio
01-11-2006, 08:57 PM
I hope the whole nation, regardless of race and religion will vote the right person in the next election. Even if he is fr PAS or DAP or BN. Vote for capable and decent candidates. just like our neigbouring singapore.

starships
01-11-2006, 09:21 PM
Haven't we seen enough? Haven't we heard enough? Haven't we suffered enough? Let's vote the opposition. Don't be blinded by the BN anymore. Let teach the BN kui on how to respect the citizen.

Joe Gomez
01-11-2006, 09:30 PM
A true blue UMNOite he is .........
A true fighter for the Bumi's .................
......... in this case he was helping a Malay ......... correct ????
Helping a Muslim .............. correct ?
Helping a Bumi ........... correct ?
.......... Much like the guy of illegal logs fame from Jasin.
In my books semuanya okidoki babe !!! :p

So why the fuss ?????? :p :p

I wept as well ........... tears of joy. :cool:

danbee
01-11-2006, 11:17 PM
My wife and I merely wanted a more comfortable dwelling for our 11 children, seven daughters- and-sons-in-law as well as 11 grandchildren.”

I say Z ss, nobody stopping you from building a istana for your family.
Why did you go ahead and build when you know very well that you papers are rejecteddd by mpk.
We know that you have the MONEY to build a few more istana for each sons of yours, But U will not, just incase ACA get wise on you.
The whole bunch of you people in mpk, make us simple rakyat sick.
20 yrs as a councillor in mpk and U are trying to tell us you don't the rules and by-laws in mpk.
My dog also know that she is not suppose to **** inside the house la.
S***** J*** a**

Allo z, the owner of metroworld is looking for good actors for their flims. :mad:

sinleong
01-11-2006, 11:33 PM
PM knows he is not the only crook in town there are countless of them and on his part it would be unfair just to pick this one. but he still could if he got the guts.

maybe PM is also a crook himself... biggest crook. and all these small fries...let them off la...

sinleong
01-11-2006, 11:49 PM
Guys, lets cut the crap here. If no substantial action taken against this Z fellow...use your voter's right really carefully when the next GE is around.

problem is... how many of us are registered to vote in port klang???

charis14
02-11-2006, 12:19 AM
PM knows he is not the only crook in town there are countless of them and on his part it would be unfair just to pick this one. but he still could if he got the guts.The art of building political patronage has been perfected by UMNO since the 1980s. It will be disastrous for many party leaders if the party adopts pure meritocracy even within the party. Many professionals have their own mind and will not declare "black is white". On the contrary, the office boys and Mat Rempits will tend to be more compliant (with some incentives) - hence, making them better team members. Anyway, utilising the BN-tested truth "Man forgets easily", things will be back to normal once the media forgets the issue. If only The Sun's Nades can switch his attention to other issues...

scorgio
02-11-2006, 12:38 AM
My wife and I merely wanted a more comfortable dwelling for our 11 children, seven daughters- and-sons-in-law as well as 11 grandchildren.”

He said somethine like all his family members squeezed & stay in a double storey terrace house now.
I wonder how BIG the house or how MANY rooms that house got.
Don't tell me 2-3 couples shared 1 room.

bugbear
02-11-2006, 12:54 AM
Datuk Z, you know all this happening to you is not man's fault but could it be a divine intervention? Just repent and come clean and maybe God will be merciful to you. You know, it is doubly harder for a rich man to go to heaven? Why cling on to worldly possesion like a ton of brick while drowning? What goes around comes around. I wish Pak lah will do the right thing for once.

sirgalahad2010
02-11-2006, 08:44 AM
The art of building political patronage has been perfected by UMNO since the 1980s....

Hmm, to be fair, this is not unique to Umno. Every ruling political party in every democracy indulges in political patronage - even in the "squeaky clean" places. You just have to look harder, that's all.

What is important is that the media have the guts to come out and expose the shenanigans and skulduggery that oftentimes goes along with political patronage. And that action gets taken as a result.

charis14
02-11-2006, 09:04 AM
Hmm, to be fair, this is not unique to Umno. Every ruling political party in every democracy indulges in political patronage - even in the "squeaky clean" places. You just have to look harder, that's all..[/B]The system can be easily copied by other political parties. However, there is none which comes close to UMNO in terms of operating efficiency. Just as an engine runs well when there is adequate lubrication, the ever flowing "oiling" ensures perfection in UMNO's system.

Voter
02-11-2006, 10:11 AM
Datuk Z, you know all this happening to you is not man's fault but could it be a divine intervention? Just repent and come clean and maybe God will be merciful to you. You know, it is doubly harder for a rich man to go to heaven? Why cling on to worldly possesion like a ton of brick while drowning? What goes around comes around. I wish Pak lah will do the right thing for once.

Yes, how true of the above quote.

Zacchaeus was a chief tax collector during Jesus' time. When Jesus called him, he truly repented, and he declared to Jesus and said "Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold (Gospel of Luke 19:8). The point to stress here is TRUE REPENTENCE, and sin no more. It should not be a show, otherwise his punishment will be many folds of the original judgement.

So, true repentence is the only way.

isarahim
02-11-2006, 10:20 AM
Hmm, to be fair, this is not unique to Umno. Every ruling political party in every democracy indulges in political patronage - even in the "squeaky clean" places.
Very true!

The amount and seriousness of patronage is also proportional to the period of time the party has ruled.

50 years is a long long time. In a modern democracy, a party seldom rules more than 15 years.

On that basis alone (ignoring all the scams and scandals for a while) we need a new fresh government.

firefox
02-11-2006, 11:29 AM
we need a new fresh government.


its good to dream...in a multiracial country where all pretend they are not racists is it possible? n to have a common goal. :confused:

Sentinel
02-11-2006, 11:35 AM
So, true repentence is the only way.

Okay... okay... okay... you can send in the bulldozers and demolish the mansion....

yvc
02-11-2006, 11:55 AM
Am sick of these type of people, sick of the way our country being run, sick of the laws and order........*&%$#@$(&%$$.......

HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR, HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR, HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR


woooiiii, nasi dah jadi bubur wooooiiii, apa tunggu lagi, sampai masa vote lah....

hhtee
02-11-2006, 11:57 AM
Am sick of these type of people, sick of the way our country being run, sick of the laws and order........*&%$#@$(&%$$.......

HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR, HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR, HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR


woooiiii, nasi dah jadi bubur wooooiiii, apa tunggu lagi, sampai masa vote lah....
makes you wanna vote Terminator (swashernager - how to spell?) or better still, vote that porn star actress even better rite ?

firefox
02-11-2006, 12:06 PM
Am sick of these type of people, sick of the way our country being run, sick of the laws and order........*&%$#@$(&%$$.......

HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR, HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR, HIDUP DAP, HIDUP PKR


woooiiii, nasi dah jadi bubur wooooiiii, apa tunggu lagi, sampai masa vote
lah....


these type of ppl have been around for decades yet when the election came where did you put the cross? what makes you sure you will cross elsewhere this time...we wont know?

hhtee
02-11-2006, 12:20 PM
these type of ppl have been around for decades yet when the election came where did you put the cross? what makes you sure you will cross elsewhere this time...we wont know?

maybe next time prior to elections, we should have a thread with the names of politicians (e.g. Zakaria) and the "good" deeds they have done

Name***************Good Deeds
1. Zakaria************Build house for public
2. -------
3. ------
4. -----

yvc
02-11-2006, 12:59 PM
these type of ppl have been around for decades yet when the election came where did you put the cross? what makes you sure you will cross elsewhere this time...we wont know?....

serigala-api..... it's up to u to vote lah.....of course cant tell u which party i cross mah..... want better future for your children so must be smart enough to vote loh..... else when your anak sudah besar nanti, the same things he/she gonna complaint...like the father lah.... :D

yvc
02-11-2006, 01:01 PM
makes you wanna vote Terminator (swashernager - how to spell?) or better still, vote that porn star actress even better rite ?

>>> :D caya u lah...

KelvC
02-11-2006, 01:09 PM
For academic purpose, is it possible for the voting rights of the People to be revoked come the election period/year? I think historically it has happened worldwide but in our homeland is it possible, even in our lifetime? Under what scenario this would happen?

To echo Sentinel, "Have you registered yourself as a voter?"

burntan
02-11-2006, 01:20 PM
For academic purpose, is it possible for the voting rights of the People to be revoked come the election period/year? I think historically it has happened worldwide but in our homeland is it possible, even in our lifetime? Under what scenario this would happen?

To echo Sentinel, "Have you registered yourself as a voter?"

The only way to make a change is when those already established, educated, earned rich people... don't just care about their own race, but other Malaysian (especially the majority race) in this country as well.

Remember, the only win is win-win, there is not such thing as win-lose, you can only choose win-win or lose-lose.

KelvC
02-11-2006, 01:28 PM
burntan, allow me to clarify further. Let's put a worse case scenario here: comes 2008 or 2009 GE, the administration knows they could not hold on to power, is it possible for them to declare emergency (anything similar) to revoke the voting rights of the people hence my earlier question? Based on the current esposé trend, it would quite a challenge for the administration to hold on to the '04 lead, so what's next from them? This "diam-diam" strategy is strangely too loud now therefore something around the corner?

Sentinel
02-11-2006, 01:43 PM
burntan, allow me to clarify further. Let's put a worse case scenario here: comes 2008 or 2009 GE, the administration knows they could not hold on to power, is it possible for them to declare emergency (anything similar) to revoke the voting rights of the people hence my earlier question? Based on the current esposé trend, it would quite a challenge for the administration to hold on to the '04 lead, so what's next from them? This "diam-diam" strategy is strangely too loud now therefore something around the corner?

As Malaysian citizens, we have the right to vote our representatives to the State Legislative Council (Dewan Undangan Negri) and to the Parliament (Dewan Rakyat) and thats provided we register as a voter with the Elections Commission (Suruhanjaya Pilihan Raya - SPR). The King, on the advice of the sitting PM, can dissolve parliament and call for an election anytime as long as it is within the constitution of the country to do so. However, no one can revoke our right to cast a vote if and when an election is held.

However, when the King declares an emergency, again under the advice of the sitting PM, there is a need to hold an election within a specified period, again as a voter our right is intact. However, during emergency, the government of the day rule by fiat, ie human rights and whatever rights are trampled on and you cannot raise a whimper....

Therefore, to answer your question academically that is, your right as a voter, after you have met the requirements and got yourself registered, cannot be revoked, unles you become kurang siuman during the period.... :D

ginaphan
02-11-2006, 02:33 PM
The only way to make a change is when those already established, educated, earned rich people... don't just care about their own race, but other Malaysian (especially the majority race) in this country as well.

I beg to differ. The foundations of democracy puts the power of change in the hands of the majority, not the minority that are established, educated and earned Malaysian. Your sentence can be interpreted in different ways. Are you saying the the majority race is not established, educated ...... I think the majority race will not like that.

Teeque
02-11-2006, 05:44 PM
I guess we better understand this part of the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_153) to know who is who, or rather who is on whose side...

Raikonen
02-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Are you saying the the majority race is not established, educated ...... I think the majority race will not like that.

why is there a need for NEP then in the first place and continued?

munity
02-11-2006, 09:24 PM
*sob* Zakaria with his heartening press conference. I also want to cry.

Hallo, Zakaria, no one said ppl won't give chance to you. Its not the end of the day.

Pay all the penalties, resign, bertaubat and properly use legal method to find another piece of land to build your Istana Abang Zakaria.

No one said won't let you build house. But build he proper way.

Nevertheless, the current mansion still need to be demolished.

hhtee
02-11-2006, 09:30 PM
sokong sokong.....

obey the law and repent........

you can build a hotel for what I care but obey the law lah.....

pepsi
02-11-2006, 09:48 PM
Yup, the sooner u resign and get out of the limelight, u and ur family can get on with your lives. We can also move on to other issues in hand.
Your position is not by succession to be handed down to your cucu cicit so don't have to cry.

orchipalar
02-11-2006, 10:20 PM
Err...judging from the 'honorary' list of banana recipients in this thread alone...ahem...there must be more folks hating UMNO since...

de_scorpio
02-11-2006, 10:39 PM
He is still a free man, no one will go after him, he can still enjoy his fortune tht he made during his tenure for the rest of his life, so unfair.

starrnorth
03-11-2006, 12:00 AM
I really cannot believe it - the excuses for this mansion and delay in apologising, and the top man inthe country asking Z to be calm and wait

Wait? wait for all of use to have forgotten about this ? If so, bl

Everyone is working and supporting him. The only one who see all this double standard ids the Sultan

kwchang
03-11-2006, 12:57 AM
...Everyone is working and supporting him...
I don't think so. Speak to your Malay colleagues and neighbours - you would be surprised that the normal people do not agree with his actions. All you see are what the newspapers show - a bunch of his supporters making noise.

darren+++
03-11-2006, 01:05 AM
tv3 news, PM asked him to resign, both thumbs up! :D

USJ27Resident
03-11-2006, 03:07 AM
I don't get it - its either these politicians are thick in the head or they just don't want to read the signs or ignoring the signs.

They have taken ALL of us, including a lot of hardworking bumiputras for a freaking ride for far too long. Maybe they have had this bloody impression that we have had no other choice but to (election after election!) vote the same buggers into office. Maybe 22 years of being cowed by the previous administration under TDM gave us no other choice either.

It seems most likely BN is gonna see the repeat of the Sarawak elections results and hopefully it would wake up these so called leaders or at least give them a very nasty headache for a GOOD while. Lets hope that in this wake up call, these so called leaders don't start something that they themselves migh not/cannot control - which is, social strife and unrest. Cos I am bloody sure they would be tempted to, just to get things/results their way!

Sentinel
03-11-2006, 09:33 AM
It seems most likely BN is gonna see the repeat of the Sarawak elections results and hopefully it would wake up these so called leaders or at least give them a very nasty headache for a GOOD while. Lets hope that in this wake up call, these so called leaders don't start something that they themselves migh not/cannot control - which is, social strife and unrest. Cos I am bloody sure they would be tempted to, just to get things/results their way!

All Malaysians should register as voters and encourage their friends and neighbors to do the same. Can you imagine only 60% of people eligible to vote are registered voters?

We can scream and shout and thump our chest all we want but their ears are deaf stuffed by currency notes and business deals....

Sarawakians did the right thing. Now, No. 2, whose daughter is married to son of No. 1 in Sarawak, is on the way out. Soon, his 'golden gate' (tang meng) will follow suit! Let us follow the ways our East Malaysian brethrens have shown us... changes through the ballot box!

GO AND REGISTER AS VOTERS... THERE ISN'T MUCH TIME LEFT !!!

hhtee
03-11-2006, 01:15 PM
Now, Zakaria is "stepping" down. But he gets to keep his house.

After all the "publicity", do you think he deserves to keep the house ?
Please take into account of his crying speech too.

Nic_of_Time
03-11-2006, 02:20 PM
Just read that DZ was discharged as a bankrupt in 1992.
How did he earned so much millions subsequently to fund the
RM8 mil house. What about the $$$ to fund his many wives, families,
cronies, supporters, etc.

Remember whatever $$$ he have on hand is only 72% after tax.

If that house is on mortgaged, he would have to set up an illegal 'grease' factory to pay up the loans.

Now that Nazri have declared immunity of bribery for UMNO members, anyone can easily guess how he got his loads of $$$.

hhtee
03-11-2006, 02:24 PM
IT's all in the "family".

If the "family" do not touch public funds, then it is "OK"

sinleong
03-11-2006, 02:32 PM
booo hooo hooo.... sob sob :( i need a mansion tooo....
seriously i do...

Sentinel
04-11-2006, 02:42 PM
Just read that DZ was discharged as a bankrupt in 1992.

UMNO must be really bankcrupt of quality candidates to end up with a discharged bankcrupt as an election candidate!

Secondly, to put him as head of the local council plus his own son and daughter in law and who else.....

We voted in the clowns, we have to now enjoy the circus! :mad:

isarahim
06-11-2006, 01:42 AM
there is not such thing as win-lose
How do you explain then that in almost all of those weekly UMNO-related scams, there is one or a few winners (exclusively UMNO nomenklatura) and a clear loser (the Malaysian people/taxpayers)?

Sentinel
06-11-2006, 09:14 AM
I was just reading the latest copy of TIME magazine (November 6 copy) here in Shanghai and there was a 3-page spread on the Abdullah Badawi - Mahathir feud. There was also an interview with Mahathir where he claimed (yet again) he is not a good judge of characters and he ended up choosing the wrong people.

Could he also be referring to the obscure dentist politician he chose to be the MB of Selangor? :D

orchipalar
06-11-2006, 10:05 AM
Tearful Zakaria tells why he needs mansion
Oct 31, 06 6:56pm

With tears flowing freely and flanked by his sons and staunch supporters,

Best Actor of Oscar Award 2006 !!!!Err...the award would surely be categorized as...'best actor for shedding crocodile tears...'

USJ27Resident
06-11-2006, 11:13 PM
Just read that DZ was discharged as a bankrupt in 1992.
How did he earned so much millions subsequently to fund the
RM8 mil house. What about the $$$ to fund his many wives, families,
cronies, supporters, etc..

Easy... he opened up an illegal satay stall and started supplying overpriced satay to UMNO?/BN?/Selangor Govt?/MPK??? functions and reaped the profits... then "a bulb lighted up" and he realised it would be easier (no need to bid/tender to supply) if he was a councillor.... so he went to see KT(MB) with free satay of course, and got the nomination.... the rest is history la... Till the suey neighbor built that illegal kitchen extension... :p

Ps: Boss Kwchang... lock this one up oso la... sudah basi oredi... manyak busyuk la...

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