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Sugarfree
25-10-2006, 09:42 PM
A restaurant in 1 Utama practises discrimination! Saw their Special For The Day promo last Sunday. Quote, "Bulan Ramandan Special. Free 'air bandung' with every main course ordered. Applicable to Muslims only". See attached picture. For a bigger picture, please click on link. Apologies, though, for the low resolution as the picture was taken with a cellphone camera. Besides, my hand was shaking (at disbelief) such a thing is happening, hence the slightly blurry image. Am I being overly sensitive? Your thoughts, forumers?

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hhtee
25-10-2006, 09:59 PM
I don't understand why they must include "For Muslim Only" ?
Air Bandung can be drank by anyone of any religion.

Let me give you another example which I think is ok....
It is Christmas, or Chinese New Year and the menu is as below:-
Holiday's Special
1. Beef Steak (For Non-Buddhist / Non-Hindu Only) or Fish Steak (For Buddhist and Hindus - [well, and any other religion])
2. Salad
3. Soup

any comments ?

birdy
25-10-2006, 10:01 PM
I think it is unfair to discriminate this way... why can a non-muslim entitled to air bandung since it is only a normal drink and it is not restricted for consumption by non-bumis.

I am still able to order the buka puasa set at other restaurants during bulan puasa. So, I think you should quiry the management on the spot why only applicable to muslim? :mad:

hhtee
25-10-2006, 10:03 PM
Sorry, when I look at your avatar, I can't help but laugh...and think of a Bird Steak

starrnorth
25-10-2006, 10:27 PM
I think this was done by some low-brained shopowner who think more of profit than anything. My analysis is that he has this offer to draw in the muslim crowd at the breaking of fast time without thinking of what the other side think. My belief also is that he has no idea that the other party will feel offended. To him it is just a marketing tool. In his little shop that is all he care about. Money, Money, Money.

Other restaurant will have signs like "Ramandhan special" which will then apply to everyone. I see many non-muslim eating besides the muslim at these breaking fast, all of them enjoying themselves, and laughing and joking which is what it should be. By the way I am one of those who like to join in with my muslim kaki's for this type of event.

Dump the 1utama restaurant. Go somewhere else.

pcyeoh
25-10-2006, 10:43 PM
The same game Giant is playing when they offer the first prize of an UMRAH trip for two in their Ketupat Contest. Though they offer the prize to all customers, the non Muslims have no use of the trip as I understand that non Muslims are not welcome in the Holy city of Mecca. I complained to their management and they told me that should a non Muslim chooses not to accept the prize, they will offer other trip elsewhere worth the equivalent value. In your case, don't just complain here. Go straight up to the boss and tell him off. Sometimes these people need to be told off for coming up with such a promotion. But then again this is free enterprise so he can do what he likes. We can just show our displeasure by telling him off and vouch that you will never step into his shop ever again.

Jaygee
25-10-2006, 11:03 PM
Now u know one of the reasons for your religion being indicated in your IC ???
The far sightedness of our BN gormen is totally stupefying, isnt it?

Ginger
25-10-2006, 11:10 PM
Hi,

I think the shopowner is not thinking right when he does that! This is Malaysia, a multi-racial country so this should not happen.

Well, do not go to that restaurant again, there are so many around that welcome all races.

Ginger :)

pucman
25-10-2006, 11:21 PM
I think it is unfair to discriminate this way... why can a non-muslim entitled to air bandung since it is only a normal drink and it is not restricted for consumption by non-bumis.



I think what the restaurant mean is that the bandung drink is free only for muslims not non-muslims. Other non-muslims must pay for bandung drink , just like non-muslim must pay extra 7% for house. :(

Go and ask who is the boss.

bugbear
26-10-2006, 12:33 AM
Let's us not jump to conclusion here. It is best to clarify this matter with the boss of the restorant why the discrimination. But looking from a business point of view, the boss has got his right to put that offer up front so that you know what you are getting. Either you just walk away or decide to eat there is up to you. The said offer is for muslim who fasted and therfore is an added attraction for them to dine there. I therefore do not see anything wrong here. I certainly hope that this will not be made into another racial issue.

sinleong
26-10-2006, 01:40 AM
talking about discriminations in restaurants, i had 2 of the most heinous experiences in bangkok, the latter was only recently.

i went to a 5-star hotel restaurant for lunch... might as well name it.. mee&you at grand hyatt erawan. it was jam packed and i waited more than 15 minutes for the waiters' attention. then next table, a few white women sat down.... the waiter went straight to that table to take their orders.

and then just a couple of weeks ago, i was at chatujak market with 2 friends and wanted to eat at this cafe...which was packed... we waited a while for a table and when one was available, the waiter stopped us from seating. he said that table is for 4... we were only 3. so we waited a short while for a smaller table. when we sat down, i looked across to the "table for 4". guess what... 3 white men sat there!

i have little surprise why sometimes, we yellow people are still some way backward. however, despite these experiences, i am still proud to be chinese and asian...

starrnorth88
26-10-2006, 01:44 AM
talking about discriminations in restaurants, i had 2 of the most heinous experiences in bangkok, the latter was only recently.

i went to a 5-star hotel restaurant for lunch... might as well name it.. mee&you at grand hyatt erawan. it was jam packed and i waited more than 15 minutes for the waiters' attention. then next table, a few white women sat down.... the waiter went straight to that table to take their orders.

and then just a couple of weeks ago, i was at chatujak market with 2 friends and wanted to eat at this cafe...which was packed... we waited a while for a table and when one was available, the waiter stopped us from seating. he said that table is for 4... we were only 3. so we waited a short while for a smaller table. when we sat down, i looked across to the "table for 4". guess what... 3 white men sat there!

i have little surprise why sometimes, we yellow people are still some way backward. however, despite these experiences, i am still proud to be chinese and asian...

3 white man, because of their big size is equivalent to 4 chinese or asian.

kaym
26-10-2006, 09:58 AM
A restaurant in 1 Utama practises discrimination! Saw their Special For The Day promo last Sunday. Quote, "Bulan Ramandan Special. Free 'air bandung' with every main course ordered. Applicable to Muslims only". See attached picture. For a bigger picture, please click on link. Apologies, though, for the low resolution as the picture was taken with a cellphone camera. Besides, my hand was shaking (at disbelief) such a thing is happening, hence the slightly blurry image. Am I being overly sensitive? Your thoughts, forumers? [/url]

No issue really........you are just being overly hyper sensitive. :rolleyes:

kevin23
26-10-2006, 10:13 AM
These kinda restaurant owners need to be taught a lesson.Why dont you guyz go in there,order a main course and see whether your "air bandung" comes free with the food.If it doesnt,just go and make a nuisance out of yourself in there,like "I want to speak to your manager" blablabla,make it very loud and clear so other patrons will hear you and embarass them ...

alexhay
26-10-2006, 10:16 AM
maybe they want to attract the muslim crowd to dine at their restaurant.

kevin23
26-10-2006, 10:26 AM
Yeah,They want to attract muslim crowd but not in this way by stating
"For muslims only"!

There are many other ways to attract muslims besides this method.

AllUrban
26-10-2006, 10:52 AM
Yeah,They want to attract muslim crowd but not in this way by stating
"For muslims only"!

There are many other ways to attract muslims besides this method.Im sure that for this restaurant saying "free deal for muslims only" there are many more that wouldnt care....

hmmm...Id probably put up a sign like "join us and you will see why mulsims have buah kurma and air bandung when breaking fast"

Cheers, m

mykern
26-10-2006, 11:01 AM
Sawasdee,
Looks like a lot of you non-muslims are cheapskates, ya?
I know one colleague of mine, a buddhist, went to a buddhist temple during one of their feasts just because the food offerred was free! btw, he was chinese.
So, the non-muslims shouldn't "call the kettle black"!
Air bandung is a Malay drink. I like the drink, but I think the promo was to reward the muslims.

sabaidee

SingaporeEhSai!
26-10-2006, 12:00 PM
MYKERN, now even drinks have RACE? How can one define bandung is a malay drink ? Isnt it a mix of evaporated milk and rose syrup?

Next can we say CHIN CHOW is a chinese drink?

burntan
26-10-2006, 12:22 PM
I guess Coco-cola is a gwai-lo drink.... :D

Timo
26-10-2006, 12:31 PM
Personally, I think its disgusting what that food vendor is doing. Blatant discrimination. I am still a champion of 'Bangsa Malaysia' and therefore I have always believed that all Malaysian food, whatever their past heritage, is now part of ALL Malaysians. Similarly for our festive seasons, Deepavali and Hari Raya and the like are celebrations of Malaysians, although of course personal religion differs between person to person, and therefore the method in which you celebrate it is different.

I believe the best course of action is to just boycott this restaurant. Alternatively, go in and order your food and your air bandung and then claim you are Muslim (regardless of what your real religion is) and see what they do.

firefox
26-10-2006, 12:47 PM
is it worth the hue and cry over a free bandung drink?..waste of time!

blues
26-10-2006, 01:08 PM
is it worth the hue and cry over a free bandung drink?..waste of time!

i just want to add......sickening..!

Raikonen
26-10-2006, 01:27 PM
Personally, I think its disgusting what that food vendor is doing. Blatant discrimination. I am still a champion of 'Bangsa Malaysia' and therefore I have always believed that all Malaysian food, whatever their past heritage, is now part of ALL Malaysians. Similarly for our festive seasons, Deepavali and Hari Raya and the like are celebrations of Malaysians, although of course personal religion differs between person to person, and therefore the method in which you celebrate it is different.

I believe the best course of action is to just boycott this restaurant. Alternatively, go in and order your food and your air bandung and then claim you are Muslim (regardless of what your real religion is) and see what they do.

The notion of a Bangsa Malaysia is an imaginary one. We have different races and cultures and racism will always be a part of Msia life. Ketuanan Melayu will always prevail in this majority muslim country. Perhaps if Msia were to be like Japan which could come close to a single race component country, bar for some gaijin, then perhaps we can talk abt bangsa malaysia. What is bangsa msia anyway? Does it mean the chinese should embrace the malay culture (god help us) or vice versa?

AllUrban
26-10-2006, 01:41 PM
MYKERN, now even drinks have RACE? How can one define bandung is a malay drink ? Isnt it a mix of evaporated milk and rose syrup?

Next can we say CHIN CHOW is a chinese drink?um...my mum is pakistani, and she drinks rose syrup with regular milk not condensed milk (lower fat content).

She likes the light pink colour so much, so she even tried mixing regular milk with pink cream soda (try it, it tastes great...cream soda first, then add the milk)....

Arab people like the rose syrup and rosewater as well.

I guess Coco-cola is a gwai-lo drink.... :Ddepends on how you look at it, I suppose...Coca-cola is bottled locally, using local water, syrup is produced locally using the company recipe...

In that case, isnt it a Malaysian drink?

Cheers, m

ps if you go to the Coca-Cola museum in Atlanta, you can taste Coca-cola as it is made in 10 different countries...and yes, there is a difference.

iml109
26-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Its just bad marketing strategy by the restaurant, and I don't think its not worthy to be highlighted. The owner / manager should be 'enlightened' of his mistake/error.

I agree with Timo, what always draw us back to Malaysia is the food. My gwailo friends loves Malaysian food. I am proud to show them and teach them how to eat Malaysian food. But to even suggest that so-and-so is a Malay food/drink and so-and-so is a Chinese food/drink (lets say no pork in this example) is totally ridiculous and is calling for racial feud.

I know what Raikonen is talking about too but food doesn't come into that slot. There is enough unhappiness over races that we don't need food to be marginalised too.

mykern
27-10-2006, 07:25 AM
Dear SingaporeEhSai & Burntan ... rhasem is an indian drink, for your info.

SingaporeEhSai!
27-10-2006, 09:49 AM
Dear SingaporeEhSai & Burntan ... rhasem is an indian drink, for your info.

I tot of rhasem too, tats why never mention something tat is so obvious, but isnt rhasem kind of soup in a glass?
Usually i down 1 in between mouthfuls of nasi...yummy

Yourdadisangry
27-10-2006, 10:37 AM
what do you guys say if the restaurant owner is a non-malay and he/she is the one who put up the signage. ;)

jericho
27-10-2006, 11:45 AM
based on the replies, i believe most of you do not really understand what is the feeling of fasting.

the first thing when our muslim brethens break fast are to have plenty to drink and not food to quench their thirst after fasting for more than 14 hrs. therefore it is only nature for a kind and good eharted restaurateur to offer extra drinks at no cost to their muslim customers to break fast.

there is once when i went to break fast with a muslim friend at Secret Recipe (is this the restaurant implicated in this thread), 1 utama and I was not given a free bandung drink plus free kurma like what my friend got but was offered one which I politely declined. and I don't see a reason for me to get offended eventhough some might see it as a blatant discrimination which I believe should not be the case if ones were considerate enough to understand the feeling of having to fast for more than 14 hrs.

SingaporeEhSai!
27-10-2006, 11:54 AM
Shouldnt they advertised " Free Bandung For all during this Ramadhan Period"
That would be more appropriate, no?

firefox
27-10-2006, 11:59 AM
if this shop had good intentions it should not have advertised the free drink just offer it to all as a surprise, i think buisness must be bad.

hhtee
27-10-2006, 12:00 PM
The same game Giant is playing when they offer the first prize of an UMRAH trip for two in their Ketupat Contest. Though they offer the prize to all customers, the non Muslims have no use of the trip as I understand that non Muslims are not welcome in the Holy city of Mecca. I complained to their management and they told me that should a non Muslim chooses not to accept the prize, they will offer other trip elsewhere worth the equivalent value. In your case, don't just complain here. Go straight up to the boss and tell him off. Sometimes these people need to be told off for coming up with such a promotion. But then again this is free enterprise so he can do what he likes. We can just show our displeasure by telling him off and vouch that you will never step into his shop ever again.
yeah. I read about the Umrah thread u started.

Anyways, can we actually complain to www.1U.com.my (1U's management) ?
Can we say that their tenants are insensitive ?
I look up upon 1U's management as they take action FAST!

hhtee
27-10-2006, 12:21 PM
Discriminate:

Definition: -
(verb)
to treat a person or particular group of people differently, especially in a worse way from the way in which you treat other people, because of their skin colour, religion, sex, etc:
source: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=22224&dict=CALD

from what I can see, yes Sugarfree was discriminated ( he is obviously non-Muslim cause he started this thread).

On whether is it ok to be discriminated, this is the issue we should be discussing.

bslee
27-10-2006, 12:54 PM
Frankly I don't see enough reason this kind of topic should been started in the first place. Its likely tit for tat with those individuals who make controversial comments causing personal insult, hurt and misunderstanding.
Look!..English language and associated grammar amongst Malaysians are currently at a very poor standard and this is likely what can arise. I could assume a root cause is probably the wrong choice of words for their advertisement.

USJ27Resident
27-10-2006, 05:13 PM
A restaurant in 1 Utama practises discrimination! Saw their Special For The Day promo last Sunday. Quote, "Bulan Ramandan Special. Free 'air bandung' with every main course ordered. Applicable to Muslims only". See attached picture. For a bigger picture, please click on link. Apologies, though, for the low resolution as the picture was taken with a cellphone camera. Besides, my hand was shaking (at disbelief) such a thing is happening, hence the slightly blurry image. Am I being overly sensitive? Your thoughts, forumers?

Haiya... So it was a bulan Ramadhan special.. so what. Did you fast ?? No ?? Go to the next pub down the street, Happy Hours ... and they're having a Chivas Special Promo. And its stated: "For non-moslems only... " Are the moslems gonna be offended, or are you gonna be offended for leaving out the moslems... your take.

Re. HSBC advertisement... people see things differently... one man's meat, another man's poison... get it!

starrnorth
28-10-2006, 01:59 AM
Haiya... So it was a bulan Ramadhan special.. so what. Did you fast ?? No ?? Go to the next pub down the street, Happy Hours ... and they're having a Chivas Special Promo. And its stated: "For non-moslems only... " Are the moslems gonna be offended, or are you gonna be offended for leaving out the moslems... your take.



I think the pub notice is a requirement by the gomen otherwise they would not be given a licence. Given a choice I think those pub owners would happily welcome everyone (business is business). We need to compare apples with apples.

danbee
28-10-2006, 02:23 PM
what's all the fuss for one cup of air bandung. They can keep their air bandung. Its just shrub and suger. If it is one peg of cornag maybe I will make noise.
Just move over to the next shop and oder all the air bundung that you want. :p

Sugarfree
28-10-2006, 05:29 PM
I think the pub notice is a requirement by the gomen otherwise they would not be given a licence. Given a choice I think those pub owners would happily welcome everyone (business is business). We need to compare apples with apples.
My sentiments exact. If I'm not mistaken, there's a signboard prohibiting Muslims from entering the Genting Casino. It's not because the management want to do it but they simply have to by law. Given the air bandung senario, no one is prohibited to drink it as far as I know, so why did the shop restrict it to only certain people? Yeah, given, it all boils down to profits but still, that ain't the way to go in a multiracial country.

sinleong
28-10-2006, 06:04 PM
3 white man, because of their big size is equivalent to 4 chinese or asian.

dont fall into the trap of assuming that all white men are bigger than asians or chinese.

firefox
28-10-2006, 06:11 PM
Frankly I don't see enough reason this kind of topic should been started in the first place. Its likely tit for tat with those individuals who make controversial comments causing personal insult, hurt and misunderstanding.
Look!..English language and associated grammar amongst Malaysians are currently at a very poor standard and this is likely what can arise. I could assume a root cause is probably the wrong choice of words for their advertisement.

exactly n spot on, yet there still ppl ranting on this trivial issue.

Sentinel
28-10-2006, 09:05 PM
If the notice say the air bandung are for the Muslims breaking fast, let it be lah... We are trying to make a big issue out from nothing! Perhaps it was "market segmentation" carried out a bit too far???? :rolleyes:

Its a business and they can write anything they want. Like what USJ27Resident said, they do the same thing in pubs and in 4D shops too, they are not for Muslims, those guys do not complain, do they? :rolleyes:

If you really want to bang against discrimination, why not take up the issue with housing developers - "Bumiputra buyers enjoy 10% discounts".... isn't that much more than a glass of air bandung? :mad:

danbee
29-10-2006, 02:23 AM
"Bumiputra buyers enjoy 10% discounts".... isn't that much more than a glass of air bandung?

Right on man. why fuss overit. Go drink leong char. :D

USJ27Resident
29-10-2006, 04:43 AM
I think the pub notice is a requirement by the gomen otherwise they would not be given a licence. Given a choice I think those pub owners would happily welcome everyone (business is business). We need to compare apples with apples.

Yalorr... Only a STATEMENT (as per requirement) for non moslems only ... but who cares... come to think of it (the heck!) go to the Middle East and see for yourselves... those Arabs ( with the tasbih! in the hand) can drink a Chinaman under! Makan has to be halal! but minum .... :eek: :p

I have personally experienced a filthy rich arab* demand for his scotch on ground in Jedda... of all places... :eek: A place where their airport scanners can pickup alcohol pumped(sryinged) in oranges and what nots... so just be forewarned.



*ps. That arab, did not get his S C O T C H until after 2 hours being into flight time... LOL! :D

birdy
29-10-2006, 09:22 AM
Hahahaha..... who knows this is the Smartest Marketing Strategy by the shopowner...

You see, before this, does anyone know about this shop in 1U? Definitely not me! But after this .... do you aware of the existence of this shop in 1U? The answer is YES!

So, the shop owner has to thank Sugarfree for his free announcement. :)

Sugarfree
29-10-2006, 09:50 AM
(edited)...before this, does anyone know about this shop in 1U? Definitely not me! But after this .... do you aware of the existence of this shop in 1U? The answer is YES!

So, the shop owner has to thank Sugarfree for his free announcement. :)
And until they pay me, I ain't revealing the restaurant's name! :p :D

birdy
29-10-2006, 12:41 PM
And until they pay me, I ain't revealing the restaurant's name! :p :D
hehe... by virtue of your picture u posted... u oredi help the shop owner to do some free advertisment! :)

Sugarfree
29-10-2006, 03:20 PM
hehe... by virtue of your picture u posted... u oredi help the shop owner to do some free advertisment! :)
So you can guess which restaurant that is? Don't say it...like I say, no dough, no ad...hehehe...just tell me yes or no. :D Better still, pm me with your answer. :)

starrnorth
29-10-2006, 03:52 PM
dont fall into the trap of assuming that all white men are bigger than asians or chinese.

My humble apologies to all the big-size asians, including to all the asian sumo

Flynn
29-10-2006, 03:59 PM
My humble apologies to all the big-size asians, including to all the asian sumo
No, the point is that you are still assuming, from the above, that all Westerners are bigger-sized than Asians when the truth is quite the opposite.

USJ27Resident
29-10-2006, 06:59 PM
Hahahaha..... who knows this is the Smartest Marketing Strategy by the shopowner... :)

Very very true birdy....

Remember the Pizza Hut racial catagory [x] ... every one headed there to check it out themselves...





pssst... check out the http://wwww.usj.com.com.my/localnudist.html
(pulling ur leg la...!)

birdy
30-10-2006, 09:16 AM
So you can guess which restaurant that is? Don't say it...like I say, no dough, no ad...hehehe...just tell me yes or no. :D Better still, pm me with your answer. :)
Errr...I am sure someone in this forum already has the answer... but not me.. coz I ain't frequent restaurant patron .. hee hee.. I am hawker food supporter. :D

Sugarfree
30-10-2006, 11:27 AM
Errr...I am sure someone in this forum already has the answer... but not me.. coz I ain't frequent restaurant patron .. hee hee.. I am hawker food supporter. :D
Well, Birdy, I patronise such restaurants only once in a blue moon. Most times, it's hawker food for me, too. More value for money, mah and certainly no discrimination! Haha. Though, hygiene may be a problem sometimes but that's another story for another time. :D

tupai
30-10-2006, 11:38 AM
The notion of a Bangsa Malaysia is an imaginary one. We have different races and cultures and racism will always be a part of Msia life. Ketuanan Melayu will always prevail in this majority muslim country. Perhaps if Msia were to be like Japan which could come close to a single race component country, bar for some gaijin, then perhaps we can talk abt bangsa malaysia. What is bangsa msia anyway? Does it mean the chinese should embrace the malay culture (god help us) or vice versa?

For those interested in ketuanan jepun...it will be eyeopening to go to shijuku and even to ginza, where the nips put up a sign that says
- Chinese not allowed or
- Foreigners not allowed or
- Chinese and Korean not allowed
in many F&B outlets.
SO, the colour of money is not the same in the land of the rising sun. Hei!

hahahhaha...japan as a shining example indeed!

Yang Akan Ban jepun dari restoran lato tupai

firefox
30-10-2006, 11:44 AM
i say this country has so much of food just have to pick and choose dont have to be so picky lah..never ending story!

hhtee
30-10-2006, 11:55 AM
For those interested in ketuanan jepun...it will be eyeopening to go to shijuku and even to ginza, where the nips put up a sign that says
- Chinese not allowed or
- Foreigners not allowed or
- Chinese and Korean not allowed
in many F&B outlets.
SO, the colour of money is not the same in the land of the rising sun. Hei!

hahahhaha...japan as a shining example indeed!

Yang Akan Ban jepun dari restoran lato tupai

Thanks for this piece of info. It's really an eye-openner.
I am rather surprised that these Japanese would have such restaurants (with such signs) there.

The next thing you know, some malaysians would would adopt the Japanese style and with a sign "No Mat Rempits" allowed :)

Yang Ada Ban Mat Rempit

bm007snr
31-10-2006, 12:41 AM
I think the shopowner put up the ad, just wanting to be creative, without realising that is is actually discrimination and discrimination can be bad.
It's just a matter of him/her wanting to personalise his lil promotion.

Or maybe, this has some other explanations.

Anyway, in many countries, certain forms of discrimination are illegal and enforcement against it is pretty good.