Words of wisdom from K J

[sirgalahad2010]

"The Republic (Singapore) has imposed many terms and conditions during the negotiation stage of the bridge project as they always thought they have better bargaining power backed by economic strength."

>>did K J ever begin to think how Spore has achieved this "economic strength". I note, from a recent report, that the US has invested close to US$50 billion in Spore over the past several years, compared with only US$9 billion invested in Msia over the same period. Why?

"They (Spore) do not realise they will deplete their land resources sooner or later. When that time comes, their people will ultimately shift to Johor Bahru, which will then become a new developed area."

>>is this wishful thinking or what? Spore is determined to become "the Paris of Asia", in the words of LKY, and a global city welcoming talent from all over the world. Why would Sporeans want to move to JB, when they can go anywhere in the world?

"By that time, they (Spore) will have to depend on us and even take the initiative to build the bridge. Just wait and see."

>>I am not sure that the Spore govt, which is renowned for looking and planning for 10-15 years ahead, would get themselves into a position where Spore will have to depend on Msia. No matter what certain Msian politicians may think!

"But before Sporeans are captivated by our progress, it is crucial that we concentrate on the development of the SJC (South Johor Corridor) and strive to make it a success. We have to deliver results to impress others."

>>these are about the only sensible comments that he made. The SJC is not about building the infrastructure and hoping that talent and investments will flow in automatically. Its a harsh and competitive world out there, and Msia has to fight tooth and nail for every investment dollar and foreign talent. KJ would be better advised to focus his undoubted intellect on how to best develop and utilise Malaysian talent, and how to remove the barriers that deter foreign investments from coming into the country. Saying that things are "non-negotiable" just doesn't cut it these days! Go ask Philip Yeo, the chairman of Spore's A*Star.

[USJ27Resident]

Khairy accuses some UMNO members of backstabbing party leaders... (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/20/nation/15195155&sec=nation)

The Star exerpts.... Now (for the love of God!) is backstabbing the same as undermining....

Another interesting piece in that article, he claims that he lost RM200,000 when he sold his ECM Libra shares...
“I have done my calculations and I am sticking to the figure I quoted before,” he told reporters after opening the Sri Gading Umno Youth division meeting in Johor Baru. If you had bought shares at 71 sen and sold it at 65sen, you would have lost your 6 sen(se)! Now multiply that by 10.2 million shares. You would have lost something like RM612,000.00 :eek: Now how the **** did he get the figure of RM200,000 unless he got no sen(se) in calculation... :rolleyes: :p

Ok.... another thing... has everyone forgotten ! Where did he get the loan from ?? and on what collaterral or guarantee... 10.2million x71sen = RM72.42 million BIG BUCKS!!! My sources indicated that he got his loan from.... hehe! (OSA!)

[pcyeoh]

Originally Posted by KJ
“I have done my calculations and I am sticking to the figure I quoted before,” he told reporters after opening the Sri Gading Umno Youth division meeting in Johor Baru.


Originally Posted by USJ27Resident
"If you had bought shares at 71 sen and sold it at 65sen, you would have lost your 6 sen(se)! Now multiply that by 10.2 million shares. You would have lost something like RM612,000.00 Now how the **** did he get the figure of RM200,000 unless he got no sen(se) in calculation..." .

Buy you must understand that this budak Cambridge is not stupid. He has done his maths many times and has even confirmed that he actually loss RM 200,000. He is only lying on his shareholding or the purchase price or the selling price. Now, I rather trust a leader who can't get his maths right for we can correct him but can you trust a leader who lies to you and we don't even know which of the 3 figures he lied about. Now, isn't it more frightening?

[Sentinel]

has everyone forgotten[/B] ! Where did he get the loan from ?? and on what collaterral or guarantee... 10.2million x71sen = RM72.42 million BIG BUCKS!!! My sources indicated that he got his loan from.... hehe! (OSA!)

Well USJ27Resident, I think you got your decimal place in the wrong place lah, its only RM7.24 million and not as stated. Hmmmm, you also graduated from Oxford yah, since your calculation and Khairy same-same? :D

[isarahim]

Buy you must understand that this budak Cambridge is not stupid.
As of what I've seen and heard so far, I do not agree with the general assumption that the chap is particularly clever. Over the years, Malaysia has sent a lot of half-wits to Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, MIT etc based on families and connections rather than talent, whereas others would have deserved those scholarships instead. He's certainly had a bit of luck and has been at the right place at the right time in many ways. So much I agree, but apart from that, he hasn't handled this very well. Sure, he might have outwitted Pak Lah, but that's not a great achievement.

[Sentinel]

As of what I've seen and heard so far, I do not agree with the general assumption that the chap is particularly clever. Over the years, Malaysia has sent a lot of half-wits to Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, MIT etc based on families and connections rather than talent, whereas others would have deserved those scholarships instead. He's certainly had a bit of luck and has been at the right place at the right time in many ways. So much I agree, but apart from that, he hasn't handled this very well. Sure, he might have outwitted Pak Lah, but that's not a great achievement.

And I couldn't agree with you more Isarahim.... I posted somewhere else in this forum that probably he got into Oxford because he was the son of a top Malaysian diplomat. I said probably because I know of one other person who was doing his diploma and degree etc in less than 2 years in Cambridge and he would also be the next Sultan, Prime Minister, Finance Minister etc of a small oil-rich country nearby where I used to work. That guy (and I have interacted with him a few times) ain't that clever either. Well, not as clever as someone who could finish a diploma and a degree in 2 short years..... So there is a catch somewhere about this Oxbridge thing. :p

However, the PM of that "little red dot" down south is a Cambridge First Class Honours in Mathematics and he seems smart.... :eek:

Now, where is the catch? :eek:

[sirgalahad2010]

And I couldn't agree with you more Isarahim.... I posted somewhere else in this forum that probably he got into Oxford because he was the son of a top Malaysian diplomat. I said probably because I know of one other person who was doing his diploma and degree etc in less than 2 years in Cambridge and he would also be the next Sultan, Prime Minister, Finance Minister etc of a small oil-rich country nearby where I used to work. That guy (and I have interacted with him a few times) ain't that clever either. Well, not as clever as someone who could finish a diploma and a degree in 2 short years..... So there is a catch somewhere about this Oxbridge thing. :p

However, the PM of that "little red dot" down south is a Cambridge First Class Honours in Mathematics and he seems smart.... :eek:

Now, where is the catch? :eek:

Oh, boy - are u even insinuating that Cambridge, Oxford, MIT, Harvard etc have different academic standards for different people? That people get grades and pass exams based on who they are instead of what they know? If that is true, a lot of the faculty would be out the door on their collective backsides!

Nope - I think the universities in question impose the same standards on all their students. It's what they choose to do with their diploma/degree after graduation that counts. And chauvinists can just as easily graduate from the top universities as the honourable and well-intentioned. All cushioned by meritocracy in these institutions, mind you!

[isarahim]

are u even insinuating that Cambridge, Oxford, MIT, Harvard etc have different academic standards for different people?
I did not insinuate such a thing and I do not think Sentinel did either. To graduate from Cambridge, Oxford, MIT or Harvard is not more difficult than to graduate from, almost, any other university with a similar degree. It's the quality of curricular and extra-curricular ectivities which differ...and the cost of course...

[Sentinel]

I have to stand alongside what isarahim has just stated SirG! No, I am not insinutaing that these top institutions are setting different courses to suit the intelligence level of these special students, nope I wasn't. I do not think it is that much harder to pass out of these institutions once somebody has got in. The courses are perhaps more gruelling than those in other universities but the subject matters are perhaps all about the same.

What I was inisnuating was the way some of these people got into these universities. I mean, they are not that much smarter than us lot, are they? Once you are in there, passing out is just a jif, thats my personal opinion. :rolleyes:

[sirgalahad2010]

Ah, so - are u also "insinuating" that the Spore PM has the same brainpower and intellectual capacity as the SIL?

Just asking...... :D

[Raikonen]

Please dun insult Lee Junior by comparing him to KJ. 1st, Lee Junior is already a PM of a developed country while KJ is still a political wannabe incapable of holding that a**e mouth of his shooting political rubbish and racism...Maybe i should ask him to go have bak kut teh to stimulate his brain cells :mad:

[Sentinel]

Ah, so - are u also "insinuating" that the Spore PM has the same brainpower and intellectual capacity as the SIL?

Just asking...... :D

Naughty boy you are, Sir Galahad! Of course, you knew exactly what I was saying....

The problem with some smart people is that they graduated from the wrong universities, although they are smart. This is simply because their Dads are not top-notched diplomats and they too don't have the money to attend one of those top institutions.

In the case of PM Lee, his A-level results was a clear indicator he was one of the most brilliant 19-year olds in Singapore during his year, so there was no question about it. :) Coupled with the fact that his Dad was PM at that time, he rightfully belonged to Cambridge. :cool:

[kwchang]

...I mean, they are not that much smarter than us lot, are they? Once you are in there, passing out is just a jif, thats my personal opinion. ..
This is precisely the wrong perception some people have about Kweilos and their universities. It is amazing that people have this opinion that foreign universities are a breeze and us orientals will fly through their courses because the kweilos are so dense. I was there and I have seen them. They have brilliant students (those kweilos) and I have been fortunate to have an Oxford grad in my class and he had a different perspective of things, not the mugger type and brilliant...I am saying here that OxBridge do teach their kids how to think rather than to remember book materials.

As a comparison, I had also been fortunate to meet a couple of young chickoos from HongKong. They were obviously from rich families. They flunked their first year degree course (my friends, first year is always a breeze, even here) and had to be relegated to some obscure college in London so that they don't go home empty handed. So much for oriental cockiness and misinformed ideas about the 'easy' life overseas.

Oh by the way, 'kweilo' is not a derogatory term (this was debated some time ago) so don't digress from there.

[Sentinel]

This is precisely the wrong perception some people have about Kweilos and their universities. It is amazing that people have this opinion that foreign universities are a breeze and us orientals will fly through their courses because the kweilos are so dense. I was there and I have seen them. They have brilliant students (those kweilos) and I have been fortunate to have an Oxford grad in my class and he had a different perspective of things, not the mugger type and brilliant...I am saying here that OxBridge do teach their kids how to think rather than to remember book materials.

As a comparison, I had also been fortunate to meet a couple of young chickoos from HongKong. They were obviously from rich families. They flunked their first year degree course (my friends, first year is always a breeze, even here) and had to be relegated to some obscure college in London so that they don't go home empty handed. So much for oriental cockiness and misinformed ideas about the 'easy' life overseas.

I beg to differ here, Chang. I respect you for the opinion you have just written but I also think you have grossly misunderstood me too.

When I say passing out from those top-notched universities "will be a jif" I meant it exactly that way, you have got to have some minimum grey matter between the ears to pass out "in a jif". Those friends of yours from Hong Kong got into Oxford but had to bail out because of exactly the reason I said, they could get in because they are rich but they just don't have the minimum amount of grey matter. I am saying the rest of us have the minimum level but didn't have the chance to get into Oxbridge....

As for these top-notch places teaching some serious things, I am sure you're right. But I am also saying other places are also doing the same thing, even nearby here at Kent Ridge, those guys are teaching some real good stuff to their undergrads too! And they are Asians too!

[kwchang]

Just a quick clarification - I was not at Oxford. I had a classmate who was an Oxford grad. Those hongkong kids were not at Oxford as well.

Your points are taken. Sorry, had to latch on to your comments to straighten out some people who might be thinking that US, UK or Aussie universities are a breeze.

[Teeque]

Based on know-how, with a certain acceptable amount of grey matter on top, passing out anywhere in the world is a 'breeze'. ;)

[Yourdadisangry]

...Maybe i should ask him to go have bak kut teh to stimulate his brain cells :mad:

hmmm...so, having bak kut teh can stimulate brain cells? and those who are forbidden from 'bak kut teh' got not that good brain? hhmmm..... :confused:

[Sentinel]

hmmm...so, having bak kut teh can stimulate brain cells? and those who are forbidden from 'bak kut teh' got not that good brain? hhmmm..... :confused:

Here we are making comments about KJ behaving wrongly using religious and racial platforms to further his political fortunes and we are also as guilty doing the same. Listen, it is not correct flashing this "bak kut teh" thingy here and there and linking it to being brainy and all that. I am sorry but what you are doing is negative and insensitive. Pls stop fanning this! :mad:

[joker2107]

... he had a different perspective of things, not the mugger type and brilliant...I am saying here that OxBridge do teach their kids how to think rather than to remember book materials.

thats probably the dif between edu in top-notch institutions and their less preferred cousins. reciting text book materials may give u a degree or masters but it does not prove intelligence. the brilliant people are those who use common knowledge wisely and broadly and create new things out of it, like researchers and inventors. but having said that, the ability to think is one thing, the subject matter which one chooses to work on is another. we do have intellectuals within our political ranks, but almost always they harp of issues that do not require grey matter and which do not demonstrate intelligence. they are a disgrace to their alma mater and their profession. how would u read the call for a review of the dismissal of a former lord president and his 2 of his peers?

[Sugarfree]

Go here for more comments. Feel free to put in your 2cents. I'll say no more. Go now! :cool:

http://www.malaysia-today.net/Blog-n/2006/08/impact-of-khairys-remarks-on-malaysias.htm

[Yourdadisangry]

Here we are making comments about KJ behaving wrongly using religious and racial platforms to further his political fortunes and we are also as guilty doing the same. Listen, it is not correct flashing this "bak kut teh" thingy here and there and linking it to being brainy and all that. I am sorry but what you are doing is negative and insensitive. Pls stop fanning this! :mad:

well my friend, don't make the same mistake like KJ did by being insensitive to others.

Just a friendly reminder & no need to use that emoticon-lah. :)

[Raikonen]

Here we are making comments about KJ behaving wrongly using religious and racial platforms to further his political fortunes and we are also as guilty doing the same. Listen, it is not correct flashing this "bak kut teh" thingy here and there and linking it to being brainy and all that. I am sorry but what you are doing is negative and insensitive. Pls stop fanning this! :mad:


Pls dun misunderstand the bak kut teh statement lah..If i were like KJ i would say that i am defending the bak......Point made :D

[sirgalahad2010]

On a purely unrelated point, I believe that Ananda Krishnan (of Tanjung, Maxis and Astro) is a Harvard MBA. Does it show? :D

[Flynn]

well my friend, don't make the same mistake like KJ did by being insensitive to others.

Just a friendly reminder & no need to use that emoticon-lah. :)

Pls dun misunderstand the bak kut teh statement lah..If i were like KJ i would say that i am defending the bak......Point made :D
Sentinel has the right thought. There's no need to stoop lower than KJ's behaviour by writing things like linking bak kut teh with being brainy (unless, of course, you're trying to prove a finding and there is objective scientific evidence for that). This is not about the herbs that go into bak kut teh. I'd think that usj.com.my has a mix of all Malaysians so let's not give offence when there's no need to. There's enough insensitive people out there.