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ericchan
15-08-2006, 12:53 PM
Yes is this the reason why there is a slump in the property market in SJ/USJ?..
Pity my friend is finding an uphill task to sell a property in USJ even little below the market price, its already being 5 months and he earnesty requires to run away from this crime riddled township, as he says. He too has become very sick and paranoid with the criminal activites being reported all most everyday. But to where? Is it not the same everywhere? but he is not convinced. Sad that life has become unbearable and miserable for his family.

tupai
15-08-2006, 02:12 PM
sure or not slump? Where is yr friend's property? PM me if he is serious and NOT asking for the sky..maybe i can find a buyer.


Yang Ada Banyak Kawan beli 'umah lato tupai

ericchan
15-08-2006, 03:31 PM
Thanks I am trying to discourage him leaving USJ and btw he has enough agents to please.

orchipalar
15-08-2006, 03:41 PM
Yes is this the reason why there is a slump in the property market in SJ/USJ?..
Pity my friend is finding an uphill task to sell a property in USJ even little below the market price, its already being 5 months and he earnesty requires to run away from this crime riddled township, as he says.
sure or not slump? Where is yr friend's property? PM me if he is serious and NOT asking for the sky..maybe i can find a buyer. Yang Ada Banyak Kawan beli 'umah lato tupai.
and btw he has enough agents to please.Err...dear Eric:)...Orchi is in the market constantly...to look for reasonably priced property(residential n commercial) too...in SJ/USJ area only.

Ahem...you could do your friend a great favour since you put it as though he needs to escape from the hideous crimes crimes crimes in USJ...n all his other property agents seem not to perform well(can't seem to sell his property after 5 months)...n get your friend to deal directly with buyers like Orchi or Tupai...which would be a much better deal altogether...

PeterHng
15-08-2006, 03:43 PM
n get your friend to deal directly with buyers like Orchi or Tupai...which would be a much better deal altogether...

or me too.. can pm me for serious discussion... Thnx. :)

pcyeoh
15-08-2006, 04:01 PM
Yes is this the reason why there is a slump in the property market in SJ/USJ?..
Pity my friend is finding an uphill task to sell a property in USJ even little below the market price.
What exactly is market value? May be let us know the type of house, location (road name also can already) and the price he is asking for and we can tell whether he is dreaming or not. People like Tupai, Orchi amd Peter will be in for a shock when they know what is the asking price. I find it very very hard to believe that after 5 months, he still can't get a buyer for his house in USJ. If it is in Putra Heights, then sorry lah. I am trying to sell a friend's house (24 ft x 70 ft) in Putra Height at launching price for the past 2 years and still no takers. But another friend just sold his corner lot house in USJ worth RM 780K within 2 weeks after 2 agents express their interest to push for him. And your friend has 5 agents and 5 months and still got stuck with the house. That can't be right unless he is asking for the sky or really really where his friend is staying is infested with criminal resulting his property becomes 'tak laku.'

orchipalar
15-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Err...dear PCYeoh:) is just in time...
Eric:)...tell ya what happened to Orchi recently...

A real estate broker has approached Orchi with a lot of money more than the market value to buy Orchi's home...which is NOT for sale to begin with...

But he insisted that his buyer is liking the location n the house itself...

Then when Orchi asked him...why did his buyer insisted on that location n Orchi's house while there are some houses around the area are up for sale...guess what?

Ahem...he said..."they were NOT suitable..."

Then when Orchi asked him...where his buyer is living now n why he wants to move to USJ...guess what?

He said...his buyer grew up in Penang...n has been living in JB after his parents moved there since about 15 years ago...n they wanna move away from JB because the crime crime crime there is said to be really really really bad...

Then when Orchi told n asked him...crime does happen anywhere...why his buyer chooses USJ...guess what?

He said...his client bought a factory in USJ 1...thus he wants to stay in USJ...period! Jam no Jam...Crime no Crime...!

chin_wan
15-08-2006, 05:21 PM
I think your friend has a case of bad paranoia. USJ and SJ is such a big place, it's almost a city, if you ask me so crime everyday is not alarming.

Our law promotes crime which is why we are fighting a losing battle but I am not going to go into that now. I will when I have the time.

I suggest you show him stats from all over Malaysia and compare them to USJ. I can almost be sure that USJ is in the top 10 safest place to live.

tupai
15-08-2006, 05:53 PM
let me offer u the bargain price for your 5mth unsold property...PM me or stop lah wasting my time hunting for cheap ghostly home in usj :mad:

Yang Akan Beli rumah hantu lato tupai

ericchan
15-08-2006, 06:15 PM
let me offer u the bargain price for your 5mth unsold property...PM me or stop lah wasting my time hunting for cheap ghostly home in usj :mad:

Yang Akan Beli rumah hantu lato tupai

Whats this all about this is not my case to worry lah its his buisness how and when he wants to sell his property and btw if he does like this town i cant do anything abt it thats his problem too, I just adore living here.

I will check to find out if he needs any help from you guys, meantime be cool man.

Sugarfree
15-08-2006, 08:35 PM
(edited) I will check to find out if he needs any help from you guys, meantime be cool man.
May I know the location (name of road will suffice) and the asking price? :cool:

kress
15-08-2006, 09:41 PM
i think your friend's over-reacting..... where's he gonna run to? pj? i can assure you the snatch/petty theft here in pj is on par or much worse than sj..... Case in point, ss2, they even mug old men on the street even though there are people watching in broad day light.

Or maybe a gated community such as tropicana? Except that it isn't really safe since they can still get you when you're coming out.. Case in point, a company director or something that got robbed and killed just as he was going back to tropicana....

Crime is everywhere *shrug*.. sometimes you just need to exercise some alertness and common sense to avoid being robbed.

aeeling
15-08-2006, 11:50 PM
Maybe your friend would want to get a place in LamanSri in Hicom, fence up, gated community with security guards, low density double storey and semi-D about 120 units only. Maybe they should consider that right.

kokomo
16-08-2006, 01:33 AM
Earlier just now around 10.15 - 10.20pm there was an attemp of 2 indian guys try to break into my dad's car. Alarm went off, went to check it out, those indian, nicely open the door try to check out my dad's car even wif the alarm went off. Very daring nowadays!

Broke the left side passenger door handle and also the signal light to try and cut off the alarm. Then open the drivers side door. My dad rush out the indian fella ran to his car and speed off. Apparently there is another car to be their backup was there also stop side by side.

They failed to get my car cos luckily my dad installed additional locks to the car + immobilizer.

Guys, if your car is parked outside of your house, you really have to add in additional locks to your car unless you were thinkin' of changing another car.

TiNKeRFY
16-08-2006, 01:51 AM
just to add,
it was a dark blue Proton Waja bearing plate 6388, alphabets unknown...
Kokomo and I tried to ronda the area a bit till we reach USJ16, where we met a group of ppl gathering at the pondok police.

Seems like there was 2 other case which happened earlier in the evening.
Some even identified that there was ppl marking down potential target vehicles in broad daylight.

what has the world become?

kokomo
16-08-2006, 01:55 AM
1 of the residents even said, pointless to report / call the police. Once it took them almost an hour to arrive.

My dad doesn't even wanna report this to the police as I spoke to him just now. Said they can't do much! You see now, how ppl don't even trust police on their efficiency. Rather take justice into our own hands. Catch them, break them! :mad:

Teeque
16-08-2006, 03:40 AM
kokomo, u can do the polis report on ur dad's behalf. If the police dont receive reports, no action will be taken and there will be no 'statistic' on this new gang. Make the report anyhow even if the polis cant do anything for the moment.

johndee
16-08-2006, 08:53 AM
If the police dont receive reports, no action will be taken and there will be no 'statistic' on this new gang. Make the report anyhow even if the polis cant do anything for the moment.I agree. Let the crime statistics pile up for this gang, then the police will take it seriously. Just like the camry gang.

kokomo
16-08-2006, 10:20 AM
This morning woke up to check what is lost in the car, found out 1 sunglasses, 1 smart tag & 1 touch 'n' go card missing. I guess they didn't manage to steal the car so they gotta grab something else to run away with them.

My dad just went make police report. Well, to pile up those reports means more of us/any of us will be victim of this crime. I really don't know the idea of why they need to pile up such reports to take immediate actions. They have a quota to achieve or something like that?

Chia Hak Soon
16-08-2006, 11:32 AM
Orchi, it is true that the property price in SJ and USJ have dropped with the exception of those who can find buyers that wish to shift to USJ/SJ due to working location or children's education. My sister's house in USJ 17/10A .a endlot unit have been vacant for a year. Her asking price is 650 to 600K , lavishly extended and still no takers, If drive along USJ18/1 you can see how many is up for sale.

One reason is the market is flushed with too many linked houses and another is the constant report of snatch thieves, robbery which SJ/USJ is famous for.
Today, the wife of the SJ police chief was reported to be the latest victim, who else will be spared?

Today we cannot even drive in our own neighbourhood without fear and it is deteorating. My guess is soon we have no choice but to have gated community and that also is no fail safe.

orchipalar
16-08-2006, 11:56 AM
Orchi, it is true that the property price in SJ and USJ have dropped with the exception of those who can find buyers that wish to shift to USJ/SJ due to working location or children's education. My sister's house in USJ 17/10A .a endlot unit have been vacant for a year. Her asking price is 650 to 600K , lavishly extended and still no takers, If drive along USJ18/1 you can see how many is up for sale.

One reason is the market is flushed with too many linked houses and another is the constant report of snatch thieves, robbery which SJ/USJ is famous for.
Today, the wife of the SJ police chief was reported to be the latest victim, who else will be spared?Err LauPan:)...if ya dont mind Orchi asking...how much was the purchase price of that unit when it was launched before...? How much is it valued at now...?
Please dont assume so fast lah. The news just said she was going to PJ for meal, but it didnt say it happened in SJ. http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=167291&postcount=311

"Zainah Abu Bakar, a senior assistant at a secondary school in USJ here and married to a senior police officer, fought off the thief who then fled on a motorcycle.

She was with her headmistress at the Mentari Business Park when the incident took place three days ago."

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/16/nation/15154117&sec=nation

Was there a firm indication that the incident involving the Police Chief's wife occurred in SJ or USJ...?

Chia Hak Soon
16-08-2006, 12:16 PM
Orchisan, the original purchase price was 380k and the wife of SJ traffic Chief Zainal Abu Bakar, a teacher at SRK Seafield and her headmistress had stopped at Jaring Restoran PJS8/6 for breakfast at 10 a.m. She is now at SMJC for treatment for bruises for the attemped snatch incident as reported in the NST.
So be on guard, imagine breakfast in broad daylight pun kena. The security is really apathic. Gone are the good old days where Mata-mata wear shorts pants. Since we pay income tax and assessment why don't we ask Lee Wah Beng to suggest that MPSJ enploys security force to safeguard the community they served than keep beautifying with plants that the snatch thieves can hide and escape.

Come next election, they won't get me and my foursome vote.

Chia Hak Soon
16-08-2006, 12:20 PM
Patrick, sorry it not SJ/USJ , but it makes no difference to me as it is only a stone throw away and it is under MPSJ. Orchisan, the house in USJ17 is launched in 1995.

Chia Hak Soon
16-08-2006, 12:33 PM
I sincerely suggest that LWB represent the SJ/USJ with the support of USJ .com forumners request that MPSJ treat Security in SJ/USJ as critical and that 70% of their budget to be spent on defence against robberies, snatch thieves etc so as we and our children can live peacefully.

What good is a neigbourhood and residence when we have to make our house caged up and now not safe to move around?

orchipalar
16-08-2006, 12:37 PM
Orchisan, the original purchase price was 380k and the wife of SJ traffic Chief Zainal Abu Bakar, a teacher at SRK Seafield and her headmistress had stopped at Jaring Restoran PJS8/6 for breakfast at 10 a.m. She is now at SMJC for treatment for bruises for the attemped snatch incident as reported in the NST.
So be on guard, imagine breakfast in broad daylight pun kena. The security is really apathic. Gone are the good old days where Mata-mata wear shorts pants. Since we pay income tax and assessment why don't we ask Lee Wah Beng to suggest that MPSJ enploys security force to safeguard the community they served than keep beautifying with plants that the snatch thieves can hide and escape.Err...Yes Boss:)...agree with you when it was completed only few years ago...the price for that endlot(bukan corner lot) was up for around 380k...n ONLY in USJ would you get that kinda premium returns on the relatively smaller investment in the housing property market then...

n YES agree with you that the case involving the cop's wife DID NOT happen in USJ...NOT even in SJ...it happened in Mentari Business Centre...!

But with regards to your suggestions about MPSJ...lets only hope that they don't mess up their existing duties n responsibilities to the community here...

Ahem...so there's one thing that Orchi could tell EVERYBODY here...while 'community' efforts are underway with the cooperation from the community Police here presently...n when the full fledged USJ 8 Police station is up n running like clockworks eventually ...one would see the property market here be soaring higher again...

pcyeoh
16-08-2006, 04:17 PM
I would like to share this good tip that I got from a friend and I modify it to make it more effective.

Keep you spare car keys at your bedside as they will come very handy to fight off intruders. In the event you encounter someone trying to get into your house, or if you hear noises outside your house and suspect that there are intruders, you can just press the panic alarm on one of the keys first. Your car alarm will go off and it will keep honking until you silent it. If that does not scare the shiit out of him and if he is still lurking around, then you activate the second alarm of the other key. Now definitely, the whole neighbourhood would be awaken as two alarms going off at the same time is something not right. You can share this tip with your neighbours and communicate to them that when two alarms go off, it means help is needed. It could save your life. You need not confront them. You just stay in your room and may be to keep yourself calm, just surf usj.com.my

pcyeoh
16-08-2006, 04:43 PM
I got a PM saying that her house has eight tenants thus have eight cars parked everywhere. She asked "Do I press all the eight car keys alarm?" Well, whoever you are, please go ahead. I am very curious what the intruders will do. I think they will go beserk and start smashing every single car of yours. Yes, I think I will do that too.

ericchan
16-08-2006, 04:54 PM
Crimes crimes crimes nothin but crimes..i have banned myself from writhing or reading about crimes in the forum and in the dalies from today....que sera sera whatever will be will be the future is not mine to see.....

kokomo
16-08-2006, 05:04 PM
Crimes will be crime. When you have a car, they'll break into your car. When you don't have a car, they'll snatch something from you. When you have even just a miserable bicycle they'll even take it away from you.

Whatever we've earn with our blood & sweat, ppl will still come and take it from us. So are we gonna just sit there and complain and not doing anything bout it? Probably some of us will be doing that. Are we gonna try and stop these horrible fella cont. to intrude our homes and our family thus we're living in USJ / SJ without any sense of security, going to sleep also have to be very alert.

How much more report do we need to file before those crooks can be napped? Or is it better we put in a lil effort unite with all concern residents of USJ & SJ to bring justice. Not only we're able to have peaceful lifes in Subang but also put to let those robbers know we're not easy to be taken things for granted.

Just remember , this is our neighbourhood. This is where our family stays and children grew up. We definitely won't want our lovely town turned notorious and nasty.

Teeque
17-08-2006, 02:25 AM
Robbers preying on students in USJ 13

By LIM CHIA YING
chiaying@thestar.com.my

Secondary school students of SMK USJ 13 in Jalan USJ 13/1 are fearful each time they walk back home after school these days.

Their fear is understandable as several students have fallen victim to robbers in the area. The school is tucked in a quiet part of the neighbourhood, away from the busy main road of USJ. Students who live nearby used to cycle or walk to and from school. Now, many are afraid to do so for fear of falling prey to the robbers.

Full story here. (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/16/central/15143688&sec=central)

Chia Hak Soon
17-08-2006, 02:54 PM
I was watching TV3 1.30pm Bulletin today and they send some anchors to ask the public as to how they will celebrate Merdeka this year. They interview two residents of Alor Star and guess what was their reply.
I am afraid to go out whether merdeka or no merdeka, I am afraid of snatch thieves, robberies, there is no security here not to mention K.L. Please tell the authorities that .

So Folks, looks like our security level is critical not only in SJ/USJ but the whole country. Friends of mine who operates shops in Taipan and SS15 says that they are being robbed regularly until they cannot employ sales assistants.

The robbers and snatch thieves is fully aware of the lack of police personnels and that's why they are getting brave. Parangs are easily available and they will not hesistate to use it even on our police force.

Imagine , two or three cases of robbers trying to cart away ATM machines just last week. So my advice is please be low profile, watch everywhere before you move. Somewhere someone is waiting to pounce on the next victim. God Bless.

TiNKeRFY
17-08-2006, 04:06 PM
my friend just got rob at Jalan Loke Yew
He was on a motorbike with another friend.
Suddenly another motorbike with 2 indian guys, ride on their side and snatched his PDA Phone on his belt, containing all his personal details...
all this happened in day light with lots of ppl on the road...
after the incident, those ppl just continued with whatever they were doing, as though nothing happened... :mad:

xaviers
17-08-2006, 04:33 PM
I was watching TV3 1.30pm Bulletin today and they send some anchors to ask the public as to how they will celebrate Merdeka this year. They interview two residents of Alor Star and guess what was their reply.
I am afraid to go out whether merdeka or no merdeka, I am afraid of snatch thieves, robberies, there is no security here not to mention K.L. Please tell the authorities that .

Not surprised ... sometimes make me wonder whether the clamp down of illegal activities like.. fake dvd's, kinky massage parlours, GROs, girlie spas... is causing the high rate in crime... these fellas have no way to 'cari makan' so start robbing people.

What is the home ministry doing...

basic human needs -food, shelter and safety...if these are not met ...how la ?

iml109
17-08-2006, 06:10 PM
I rcvd an email re the Camry thus bumped into this thread.

Crime is unfortunately uprising, with media (e.g. CSI for that matter) teaching us how to detect OR avoid being caught.

IMHO, the local enforcement is not doing their job. Is the police force really understaffed? I doubt it. You certainly don't see the police doing patrols at night. But u certainly see them setting up road blocks on weekly basis trying to get that extra income maybe? I don't know. But I do know these manpower would've been better utilised in patrolling and knowing which suspicious characters to stop and question rather than us who drives along without breaking any law.

Honestly, on moving to another place / state, it makes no difference. Sometimes we are the ones who make ourselves vulnerable to these attackers. Before you lash out at me, let me tell you that I am a victim of a snatch thief, and car break-in. These incidents taught me valuable lessons.

We constantly read/heard before that we should keep our belongings out of their sights, e.g. laptop, money, valuables, gold necklaces, yadda yadda. So why tempt them? To stop crime, we need to be proactive ourselves. (e.g. the wife of a police who got snatched. eat breakfast after u wdr money is not exactly the smartest thing to do).

Remember that these ppl stalk u, so keep yourself out of the 'vulnerable' profile.

The 'tak apa' attitude or thinking this won't happen to me certainly won't help us or any of our loved ones.

Crime moves with development, our local enforcement need to move along with them. They do patrolling to scout their 'income source', why don't we all do the same? Scout out those strangers around the neighbourhood we never see before. Know your neighbours and who they socialise with is a good place to start.

kokomo
17-08-2006, 07:11 PM
Everywhere and anywhere also, while we kena rob ... ppl will just stand there and look but never even bother to help at that scene. Once robbing is done, those fella flewed, those ppl there will pretend as though the show is finish and there is nothing more to look at.

So if such situation we're living at now, ppl are already like this, no wonder robbers are gettin' brave. Cos among us humans there isn't any unity. If they try and rob in kampung areas / Cameron town, I believe they cannot come out alive.

Unity is strength to curb such activities moving around our home.

iml109
17-08-2006, 08:14 PM
Everywhere and anywhere also, while we kena rob ... ppl will just stand there and look but never even bother to help at that scene. Once robbing is done, those fella flewed, those ppl there will pretend as though the show is finish and there is nothing more to look at.

So if such situation we're living at now, ppl are already like this, no wonder robbers are gettin' brave. Cos among us humans there isn't any unity. If they try and rob in kampung areas / Cameron town, I believe they cannot come out alive.

Unity is strength to curb such activities moving around our home.

U remind me of why we (KL) being ranked as the world's 3rd rudest country.

On the small villages / towns, ppl know each other, they know you are so and so's son, and you are now working in which company. Heck, they know your grandparents. In the situations you given above, quite simply, how many of us dare to help? These days the tactics they use are so 'dramatised', you will wonder who is the victim. For me, when I see someone in problem, I will just remember as much details of the attacker or call 911.

I used to stop and help ppl who had flat tyres, or even help ppl pick up stuff they drop. I wouldn't dare to do that now as I fear for my own safety, or my own belongings.

An old lady might gladly accept your help to cross the road last time, but these days, they (old people!) are wary of your good intentions.

Society are deemed by who we were, are and will be.

evelynlim
18-08-2006, 12:32 PM
I have just moved to USJ and was on leave for the past few days. I hardly see anyone in my neighbourhood at day time, even there are cars and people at home, all the doors are closed/locked :eek: It's really quite ! Thought of socialise a bit but nobody to see & talk to:rolleyes:

kwchang
19-08-2006, 12:38 AM
iml109, you actually came on with good advice on how to avoid being victims of crime...


let me tell you that I am a victim of a snatch thief, and car break-in. These incidents taught me valuable lessons.


However, you chose to put in these unnecessary comments...


....the local enforcement is not doing their job
....setting up road blocks on weekly basis trying to get that extra income
....our local enforcement...do patrolling to scout their 'income source'


I cannot understand why people like to bash the police?
Yes, there are bad apples in the force. But making such sweeping statements is being totally irresponsible on your part. If you are a parent, I shudder to imagine what sort of lies you feed them everyday with regards you own bigotted opinions. Welcome to my plantation.

kwchang
19-08-2006, 12:47 AM
I have just moved to USJ and was on leave for the past few days. I hardly see anyone in my neighbourhood at day time, even there are cars and people at home, all the doors are closed/locked :eek: It's really quite ! Thought of socialise a bit but nobody to see & talk to:rolleyes:
That reminds me of my first impression when I arrived in Reading, UK way back in the late 80's. The first thing that hit me was the rows upon rows of houses in Reading, near the University, was devoid of people. You could hardly see anyone in their gardens or front yard. At least in USJ, there are always people around. One major factor is the cold in UK. It is simple not sensible to be outside the house.

What you observed in USJ in the day time is becoz most people are at work. Have you been to the parks and playgound in the mornings and evenings? You will find your neighbourhood there having their dose of fresh air (when not hazy), exercise and chat with their mates.

kokomo
19-08-2006, 02:32 AM
What you observed in USJ in the day time is becoz most people are at work. Have you been to the parks and playgound in the mornings and evenings? You will find your neighbourhood there having their dose of fresh air (when not hazy), exercise and chat with their mates.

Kwchang, they still do in fact. There is a playground in USJ6, most of the old folks, retiree & some "si lai" will go there for their morning exercise doing tai chi and so forth. To me, personally I still don't think its safe for them coz some of them after their exercise, go market then walk back home. That is the time those snatch thiefs will prey on them.

TiNKeRFY
19-08-2006, 12:29 PM
yesterday night at about 12:30am, while on my way back, I notice a small group of 3 person, wearing safety vest, armed with a long rotan and flashlights, patrollng the SS14 area, which is near the primary school.
I see this as a good initiative, and if there's any organised patrolling group, I'd volunteer myself! :)

Sato
19-08-2006, 01:14 PM
Ten years back, i can go home walk around my car porch area and go inside my house without locking my door.

Now, once i reach home, i have to rush down quickly to lock my front gate, lock my front main door and armed my house alarm system.

I don't feel save anymor. Everybody pay tax but the government is not doing enough to maintain the general safety of its peoples! :mad: :mad: :mad:

VeeJay
21-08-2006, 10:34 AM
Just wanted fellow friends be aware of another tactic of snatching car. I have read it before….these guys are really slick…

It happened last Saturday at shah alam (near hicom). My friend was driving, and a kancil came and “accidentally” knocked my friend’s Kia rear bumper.

He got off the car and went down to look at the damage, the kancil driver came out too, and was very polite admitting his mistake. While they we talking, all off the sudden,(the kancil had 3 of them inside), the other guy from kancil, approached the Kia, started the engine, and flee with the car!.

When my friend was distracted with his car fleeing away, the kancil driver, quickly went back to his came and speeded away from the scene! My poor friend was left stranded. Luckily he still had his cellphone, manage to contact his kin and police.

iml109
21-08-2006, 03:39 PM
iml109, you actually came on with good advice on how to avoid being victims of crime...


However, you chose to put in these unnecessary comments...


I cannot understand why people like to bash the police?
Yes, there are bad apples in the force. But making such sweeping statements is being totally irresponsible on your part. If you are a parent, I shudder to imagine what sort of lies you feed them everyday with regards you own bigotted opinions. Welcome to my plantation.

And I don't understand why you take it so personally.

I stated that being a victim at times is due to our negligence. We need to be aware of our surroundings and take the necessary steps to avoid it from happening again.

Was I making a sweeping statement? I beg to differ. Pls, instead of taking it so personally, perhaps u should try to view it from another point of view? I know there are good cops in the force. I have friends in the force, good friends who they themselves admitted all the flaws and I do know that they the good ppl are trying to rectify the matters. I believe pointing out the flaws are one of the ways to manage/amend them. Not that its ur business, but my future father in law was an ASP, and he himself is one who lives by the rules. I admire him for his integrity, and I continue to do so for those who are upright in their conduct.

On doing patrolling, omg, pls read back, I stated 'they' meaning the bad guys! Not the police force! What I stated was if the bad guys can scout out their victims, then the police force can do the same on a more frequent basis.

As for me being a parent and feeding my child/children with twisted views / teaching in life... I will say pls refrain from making personal attacks. I did not attack anyone in my post but just putting out my views in as constructive ways as possible, putting forth both the negative and positive views. Pls read back, I stated IMHO (which means in my humble opinion if u dunno) "are they? maybe, I don't know".

Nothing will ever improve if there is no negative feedback. When ppl ask, 'R u happy?' and answering "Yes" although u are grumbling inside disables growth.

If you find that offensive to you (which I do not understand why), by all means choose to ignore my posts from now on, I will choose to do so on yours if you are going to bash me for being 'vocal'. Have a good day. :)

AllUrban
21-08-2006, 04:05 PM
another thing that seems to be up is that crime is spreading to the suburbs

this is probably happening because of greater police enforcement in the city of KL, as well as competition for territory.

A lot of crime related problems are tied to the drug trade...parents must communicate the dangers of drugs to their children...not just the dangers to themselves, but the dangers to community and society.

According to the NST, a survey of Malaysian parents suggests that the biggest threat to the well-being of their children is drugs, not premarital sex (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Monday/National/20060821080425/Article/local1_html).

(Ok, I realize that article may not be the best example of the drug issue...but it is an example worth looking at because it talks about parental concerns)
Cheers, m

chsum
21-08-2006, 07:13 PM
What I see ere r mostly disgruntle ppl making comment on the rising crime rate, bashing the police for not doing their job, they can do this or that b4 but not now due to the high crime rate, etc.....moan & groan day in day out but still all of u have to face the fact that the crime is still high, non of u ever ask the question or suggest what u all can do about it!!! :eek: (other that sharing ur experience and what u heard).

Let me share with u my view (I might be wrong, pls comment) of why the crime rate is high and what we can do about it.

If all of u remember last yr back when the government launched the "saya anti rasuah" thing (someone even joke about it the adding "saya nanti rasuah), forcing all the police officer to wear that badge and they still wearing it now, just imagine ur company force u to wear a similiar badge and u can't resign that easily (what do the police do when they resign?), I think the moral of the ppl in that organisation will be low down, not to mention the squating incident and other high profile escape prisoner cases. Iml109, u say ur future inlaw was ASP, maybe u can ask him if my view is right.
It seems that the public always take for granted that our police will always do a good job, u don't have to look far, just check out the thread in this forum, few yrs ago, it's mostly concern on traffic jam hardly any on crime, now the opposite.
If some of u were in the police dialog few months back, the problem of under staff & under equiped is real, it did not happen just few months ago, it happened many yrs ago(that is why some of just say, same old story), it's just ppl takes things for granted that the gov will fix it but it's not fixed not b4 and definately not now.

If my view above is right, the next question will be what can we do about it, eg. in ur company, when moral down what can u do about it, give them a raise? (that's up to the government not us), i think it will go a long way if ur customer let u know personally that u did a good job and deserve a pat on the back, bought u some donut for a job well done, smile to u & give a tumbs up when ever they meet u, i think it will make ur day right?
Now, we get to understand why our OrChiPD, Tanr and company champion the wheels for cop, they were down there with the good cops trying their best to catch those robbers with the limited resources they have (some of u even have the balls to say the police is hopeless letting the robbers get away), they saw it and heard it from the horses mouth, that's why they went that extra mile trying to do something about it, well this is one way u can help, can all of u who moan & groan walk the talk, now, that's the question to ask ur self.

my dua sens

iml109
21-08-2006, 09:38 PM
If all of u remember last yr back when the government launched the "saya anti rasuah" thing (someone even joke about it the adding "saya nanti rasuah), forcing all the police officer to wear that badge and they still wearing it now, just imagine ur company force u to wear a similiar badge and u can't resign that easily (what do the police do when they resign?), I think the moral of the ppl in that organisation will be low down, not to mention the squating incident and other high profile escape prisoner cases.

Hmm... I haven't talked about this to my future in laws, but I have a very good friend who is an ASP now and he shared with me what happened inside. Basically, those ppl were slammed hard by the high rank officers, and advised not to repeat the same mistakes as they need to keep their public profile as approachable and friendly too. But, u got a point, I'll come back to you once I get more accurate info, :p

But... regarding the esteem and morality issue... well, imo, I'ld say its about how you take it? Fact is, there are corruption everywhere! I mean, take it easy, don't take it personally if you're not involved. Yes, its easier said than done, but if you're standing tall, no one can force u down. Btw, I think a police personnel can always find another job (most of those inspector and above ranking ones are educated). As for recognition, don't they already have that implemented? (forgive me if I'm wrong... don't kill me for my error, just tell me I'm wrong. :P) But, pay wise, sadly, I believe most countries police force has the lowest pay rate.

Moaning and groaning is human's nature of venting out their frustration. :p We just need to filter through the key points, and work together. But u got ur points across - that yes, we need to work together, nothing can be achieve single handedly, but keep the bp down k? :D

Btw, I just noticed I got a banana for slandering?? In which part of my posts qualify as slandering??? For whoever tagged me with that, I am very disappointed. One would've got a PM warning before she/he is tagged. Hmm.. an example of injustice? /shrug.

chin_wan
21-08-2006, 10:02 PM
another thing that seems to be up is that crime is spreading to the suburbs

this is probably happening because of greater police enforcement in the city of KL, as well as competition for territory.

A lot of crime related problems are tied to the drug trade...parents must communicate the dangers of drugs to their children...not just the dangers to themselves, but the dangers to community and society.

According to the NST, a survey of Malaysian parents suggests that the biggest threat to the well-being of their children is drugs, not premarital sex (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Monday/National/20060821080425/Article/local1_html).

Cheers, m

True but you have not mentioned a solution to the drug problem. And I am sorry, having a law that put people who do drugs into jail is not going to work. Hanging drug traffikers isn't the answer too. Putting addicts into jail will just make them more efficient and effective criminal when they get out. So you see, our law system is making more and more criminals everyday and then releasing them into our society.

Let's start by getting our addicts help so they will not have to steal or commit crime to feed their habit. When has a drug addict ever hurt anyone? In Europe, police is supporting the legalise drugs campaign (see http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/431/scottishcops.shtml).

Read more:

http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/39565/
http://www.drugwatch.org/McCaffrey%20Testimony%20on%20Drug%20Legalization.h tm
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-legalize16oct16,0,4914395.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
http://www.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html

kwchang
22-08-2006, 12:37 AM
You certainly don't see the police doing patrols at night. But u certainly see them setting up road blocks on weekly basis trying to get that extra income maybe?

Crime moves with development, our local enforcement need to move along with them. They do patrolling to scout their 'income source', why don't we all do the same?...
My sincere apologies to you if I had misunderstood your trend of ideas.
However, do look at how you stringed the scenario which lead from A to B and thus my conclusion ...

You started off by saying the bad police "getting extra income"
Then later on, you used the word "patrolling" which in my limited English, associated patrolling to an act by the police. It is the job of the police to patrol the streets. Criminals do not patrol. Criminals stalk, for example. Your 2nd sentence as quoted above is clear to you with regards whom you meant... but to me, it was not clear and the mental association to the first plus the word 'patrol' gave me the conclusion that both refered to the police. Read it again and see what I mean.

iml109
23-08-2006, 06:02 PM
KWChang, you're right, my train of thoughts has midled you, and my apologies too.

And yes, patrol shouldn't be used, I guess I was preoccupied and typed the wordings without screening them. But thanks for clarifying, the correct word is indeed to stalk or scout.

Btw, to the person who asked me about morality... i got a lecture :p but here is to summarize it.

Basically its a move by the police force to clean out the bad ones, but then, if you've strong principles and upright, you shouldn't mind what or how wearing those badges made who u r. If you're really an honest guy/gal, then u will be darn proud to wear those badges.

Here r my tips as drilled to me by my fiance and ffil.... :p Btw, they were not sympathetic when I got snatched!!! :D so I was drilled instead.

leave ur car clean of belongings. that means no bags, coins / valuables (e.g. TnG Card). Meh, not even any nice sweaters/shirts. In other words, keep your car clean.. :p Don't even think of leaving ur laptop in the boot of the car as they have some special device where signals them which car has laptops.

be aware of your surrounding even in seemingly harmless area e.g. mamak stall, Starbucks... blah blah blah. Beware of who's paying attention to u, and then take note of their clothing, facial attributes.. blah blah blah. Driving back or to anywhere, take note of your surrounding, take note if you're been followed.. blah blah blah

If there is no necessity for u to wear jewellery, refrain fr wearing any. they are just decorations. If its wedding gifts / sentimental values, all the more reason not to wear them daily.

know ur neighbours / whatevermates. if staying in the same hse, know their schedule, inform them of your whereabouts (e.g. travelling?) or send someone to ur hse now and then to check up.

Anyways.. these are straight off my mind and that's all i can remember for now. Pls excuse me if I sound jibberish.

chsum
23-08-2006, 06:22 PM
iml109, u sound like being drilled or forced to remember all those precaution which r sound advice, can't u just make it natural habit which u do everyday (no matter high crime or low crime rate), who knows, it might save ur life one day.

Don't complain too much in front of other ppl, or else u will hate it more, just make it a habit as u do everyday eg, look back b4 u change lane..

my dua sen


Basically its a move by the police force to clean out the bad ones, but then, if you've strong principles and upright, you shouldn't mind what or how wearing those badges made who u r. If you're really an honest guy/gal, then u will be darn proud to wear those badges.

err..u mean the bages have no effect on the moral of the police force ere?

iml109
23-08-2006, 06:30 PM
Don't complain too much in front of other ppl, or else u will hate it more, just make it a habit as u do everyday eg, look back b4 u change lane..

my dua sen



err..u mean the bages have no effect on the moral of the police force ere?

??? I wasn't complaining? Just trying to imitate the drilling I was given. :p

I made it into a habit already, but I thought ur post was about what we can do to minimize the risk??? So I was sharing, not complaining.. but ur making me into cuttlefish now.., :confused:

Re badges:

Again, I thought ur question was how does he feel about it? The badges campaign was 2-3 yrs back, he retired by then.

chsum
23-08-2006, 06:57 PM
but u were drilled only after u being a victim, if b4 I don't think u will rememder any of them, that is why i get the impression u r being forced drilled :D solly if i make u into a cuttlefish (err.. how u turn into a cuttlefish ah?? me very blur) :confused:

well, he still go back once a while right, maybe he can find out if they patrol less, check on traffic less etc....there r tell tale signs..

the blur blur one

iml109
23-08-2006, 09:05 PM
but u were drilled only after u being a victim, if b4 I don't think u will rememder any of them, that is why i get the impression u r being forced drilled :D solly if i make u into a cuttlefish (err.. how u turn into a cuttlefish ah?? me very blur) :confused:

Oh yea.. lol, I only remembered all those after I became a victim, so yea... remember now!! :o

Well, my friends here will say 'Ur blur like Sotong..." which is cuttlefish, but idk why cuttlefish was chosen...

As for my ffil going back to station.. i dun think I want to ask, coz he think I "eat too full nothing to do" to troll forums!! :D (but maybe 1 day when he's in good mood, i will.. :D )

iml109
25-08-2006, 09:52 PM
More tips on safety...

When send your car for servicing / maintenance

1.Only submit the car key (without the house keys, the extra steering lock key, etc.);

2.Take away apartment sticker so that they don't know where you stay.

:o I committed the first offense....

TiNKeRFY
28-08-2006, 12:34 AM
After attending a party in Puchong BK6B while on my way home, my car was deliberately banged from the back at a bump on Jalan BK6, Puchong, was heading to the traffic light towards Bukit Jalil.
It was a Gold Proton Wira bearing car plate WKR 9505 the car there was 3 Indian men.

luckily for me, there was 2 other friends from my Car club convoying with me on the way out but they were 2 minutes behind.
else, the indian guys would've just hijacked my car.

After the bang, they pointed to me to stop at the shoulder as though they know its their fault, and want to see my damage.
but i did not follow them and kept at a comfortable distance so that they wouldn't be able to do anything.
when my friends arrived, I stopped behind their car, and 2 indian men came down to "check" my car. I asked my gf to lock my car doors and to remain in the car should anything happen.

they then asked me how i want to settle this. so i told it was a small damage, (just some deep scratches) so i said a paintjob will do, and its gonna cost RM300. Upon seeing my friends coming closer, the 3rd indian man came out of the Wira and whisper some stuff to the driver. the driver then said he can't afford to pay me and asked me to go make a polis report. they then flee the scene when they see that I've got some help as though there's no tomorrow. they smell of alcohol as well. my frens managed to snap photos of their roadtax sticker, and their car plate. so probably that's why they kinda panicked.

at the puchong police station, while i was making my report, seems like there's another victim who came to report the same Wira with the same car plate, and i overheard one of the officers on duty saying that my case was filed under "Jenayah" instead of the regular traffic offence

So whenever someone bang you from behind, make sure you stop at a comfortable distance, so that they won't reach you too fast. Get down, check your damage, and call someone for help.
If its a minor accident, and you're alone, drive to the nearest police station without hesitation. Its better to be safe, than to be sorry.

In the report, do include:
1. time it happen
2. location
3. your car plate number
4. suspect's car plate number
5. phone number
6. brief description of what happened.
7. damages on your car.

I hope this is useful for everyone. too bad it has to happen :mad: to me.

kokomo
28-08-2006, 12:41 AM
Bravo TinKerFY! Lucky for you that you have your friends behind you. Else can say bye bye to your car. Anyway, These days not only cars they attempt to hijack ... even lorries also they wanna hijack.

TiNKeRFY
28-08-2006, 12:43 AM
Bravo TinKerFY! Lucky for you that you have your friends behind you. Else can say bye bye to your car. Anyway, These days not only cars they attempt to hijack ... even lorries also they wanna hijack.

seriously, i did not plan to stop at all, that's why i kept quite a distance.. have to keep in consideration that crime rate is increasing, repeat car hijack cases, 3 indian men, and most important GF in the car... wouldn't want to take chances like these... ;)

Life Ranger
15-09-2006, 01:52 PM
Friend's email :

This poor guy, stomach problem, driving to 24 hour clinic at 5am, half way stopped at Mobil at LDP (toward Sunway) to go toilet, when came out, 10 Malay youths on bike, sprayed him with pepper spray, beat him badly and took all hi money and H/P, lied unconcious for 1 hour, worst still, after concious again. he stopped a passing-by police, the police said he had to go to work, can't help him ! Finally his friend picked him up and sent him to Sunway Hospital.



10匪油站圍毆搶劫 男子求救警員不理 2006年9月15日

http://chinese.cari.com.my/news/orientaldaily/details.php?alp=11408


:mad:

hizperion
02-11-2006, 11:02 PM
hey, my first post here.

my lil' bro has been robbed by a chinese guy in Wira on his way back from tuition class, in USJ 9. there's nothing valuable in the bag, but some notes and stationaries. the guy asked something in chinese and snatched the bag from my bro.

just another heads up.

chsum
03-11-2006, 07:58 AM
wellcome to the forum hizperion, mind if u share more details on the crime, car reg no, colour, date, time, did he report to police? any other detail info which can identify this robber b4 he strike again.

pepsi
03-11-2006, 10:02 AM
I noted there were substantial clues i.e number plate. Were this culprits ever caught ?

jetset
03-11-2006, 02:25 PM
It feels like the whole community is like a sitting duck waiting to be picked off one-by-one. Just like a lottery. Everyday, I am concerned for the safety of my family.

That the perpetrators are so daring because not only do they realise the ineptness of the authorities but more so, they know that, in most instances, no one will come to the victim's help. If we ever see a crime being committed, all the people around should (pun intended) jump in and tackle the problem.

I fear the day when criminals can freeingly force their way into any homes or abduct any person off the streets knowing they can easily get away with it.

Raikonen
31-01-2007, 01:11 PM
Crime rate for 2006 up 15.74% according to a Star Report.

What is the govt doing abt this? For starters, they could start deporting the illegal immigrants abang adik from Indonesia. :mad:

Raikonen
09-01-2008, 09:28 AM
13% spike in violent crimes: police

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/76839

Top increases:-

1. Rape - 30%
2. Night time home break in - 22%
3. Car theft - 11%

Suggested action plans:-
1. Re-hiring retired police officers and training new officers to increase the
number of personnel by 60,000 in 2011

2. Increasing the number of civilians in the police force (e.g. secretarial work)
(Should look at efficiency among existing staff rather than anything else)

3. Compelling private property owners to install close-circuit cameras (CCTV)
(I don't agree)

4. Constructing more police stations and beat-bases

PM quoted "If you want to fight crime, you have to pay"

Fighting crime is the foremost reponsibility of the police and the govt should not expect the public to play the main role in fighting crime.

Blue Jasmine
09-01-2008, 10:08 AM
who to blame for the crime increase? any fools will know is because of the high living standard now. Everything is expensive. Would you rob if u already have food on the dinner table? Why blame them? I dont think they are robbing if they already have plenty of food and clothes or a least a shelter. I think is time the gov consider these. Stop robbing from the people already!!!! They started it and its not fair we get the risk of being rob by these people. Somebody should do something...Like what ?

ymt
09-01-2008, 11:14 AM
Crime increase bcos the criminals knows that the police are tied up looking for DVDs - no time to catch them... but don't rob the VIPs and VVIPs - ordinary folks like us okay, your report will just be added to their statistics only

See how fast they catch and convict those with the DVDs.. instant

racheljansz
09-01-2008, 05:26 PM
PM quoted "If you want to fight crime, you have to pay"

Fighting crime is the foremost reponsibility of the police and the govt should not expect the public to play the main role in fighting crime.Well the public can make him and BN pay also comes this general election.

Building police beat and pondok!!!! Please take a look at the existing ones. It is always empty!!!!

So much money spent on .... mega projects (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/382277)

kokomo
09-01-2008, 05:46 PM
This year I forsee crime rates will go up, since a lot of prices on things also will go up except our pay. :(

logicman
10-01-2008, 11:40 AM
Crime increase bcos the criminals knows that the police are tied up looking for DVDs - no time to catch them... but don't rob the VIPs and VVIPs - ordinary folks like us okay, your report will just be added to their statistics only

See how fast they catch and convict those with the DVDs.. instant
What they have caught is ikanbilis and maybe case closed. You think they dare to touch the big fish?

logicman
10-01-2008, 11:44 AM
13% spike in violent crimes: police

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/76839

Top increases:-

1. Rape - 30%
2. Night time home break in - 22%
3. Car theft - 11%

Suggested action plans:-
1. Re-hiring retired police officers and training new officers to increase the
number of personnel by 60,000 in 2011

2. Increasing the number of civilians in the police force (e.g. secretarial work)
(Should look at efficiency among existing staff rather than anything else)

3. Compelling private property owners to install close-circuit cameras (CCTV)
(I don't agree)

4. Constructing more police stations and beat-bases

PM quoted "If you want to fight crime, you have to pay"

Fighting crime is the foremost reponsibility of the police and the govt should not expect the public to play the main role in fighting crime.

What is the point of increasing the forces when the integrity and leadership sucks. Another wasting tax payers money proposal.

logicman
10-01-2008, 11:51 AM
who to blame for the crime increase? any fools will know is because of the high living standard now. Everything is expensive. Would you rob if u already have food on the dinner table? Why blame them? I dont think they are robbing if they already have plenty of food and clothes or a least a shelter. I think is time the gov consider these. Stop robbing from the people already!!!! They started it and its not fair we get the risk of being rob by these people. Somebody should do something...Like what ?
Well said Blue Jasmine. We have been rob off:-

1. Our Human Rights
2. Oil Subsidy
3. Our privilege
4. Voting rights
5. Security
6. Maybe...one day religion also

and the list goes on.................

555
10-01-2008, 12:08 PM
My feeling is our police do not like to go out patrol.
They like to sit in office or waiting at roadside to catch cars, or stop the foreign workers to ask something.

Samaritan
10-01-2008, 12:14 PM
Place : Wednesday night, 8.30pm, Kota Kemuning (2nd Rounabout)

What Happened? : An accountant working in Shah Alam, driving a light metallic blue Camry 2.0 litre, was hit from the back. She stopped, got down to check the damages, was attacked by 3 dark-skinned men and thrown into the monsoon drain. Car taken away.

Aftermath? : Might be paralysed because her backbone was badly injured when thrown deep into the monsoon drain. She has 2-year and a 3-year old daughters.

It could have happened to any one of us or our family & loved ones.

Please tell your MPs that CRIME is our No. 1 concern. Vote wisely in next election.

555
10-01-2008, 12:26 PM
Cut down expenses of Ministry of Defense - we don't need Submarine, Fighter aircraft , Army.

Because we don't afraid of Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore or Philipines

We afraid of robbers, thieves, rapers....

Increase Police, CCTV, CSI....

racheljansz
10-01-2008, 03:04 PM
Cut down expenses of Ministry of Defense - we don't need Submarine, Fighter aircraft , Army.

Because we don't afraid of Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore or Philipines

We afraid of robbers, thieves, rapers....

Increase Police, CCTV, CSI....Hi kawan baru, thanks for the input. Yup these good suggestion will remain good suggestion unless .... you vote correctly this coming GE.
Apparently even with the royal commission on PDRM and good recommendation that come with it, the present government seems at a lost in its implementation.

They have the money to sent a person to space but not to increase the police force!
Police are over worked and under equipped. Their morale is so low. Guess that's why they are in BLUE.

Samaritan
10-01-2008, 03:41 PM
They have the money to sent a person to space but not to increase the police force!
Police are over worked and under equipped. Their morale is so low. Guess that's why they are in BLUE.

If you visit the Terminal 3 at Subang Airport (if you're catching one of those Firefly flights) you will se rows and rows of nice-looking helicopters belonging to the cops. Hmmm... wonder what are the choppers for?

555
10-01-2008, 04:03 PM
Choppers are for politician and vip , not to catch thieves

Dr. J George
10-01-2008, 06:52 PM
......and million ringgit gadjets and other hardware purchases to make commission - not for practicality or a 'war against crime?' :D

johndee
10-01-2008, 10:53 PM
This coming GE is the correct opportunity for the "silent" majority to send a stong message to the gomen. From news reports and discussions on crime happenings with our friends, relatives and neighbours, we all knew that the crime situation has gone from bad to worse. Our gut feelings were proven correct when the gomen release the 2007 crime index which saw the number of cases hit past 224,000, a sharp rise of 45% from 2003 when AAB became the PM and promised to make our streets safer. Now closer to the next GE, AAB has just came out with a so-called multi-prong strategy to fight crimes. Has he been sleeping all this while? :mad:

logicman
10-01-2008, 11:58 PM
Sime UEP had stopped providing free security service effective 1st Jan 2008. Residence has been asked to enggage thier own security and this lead to extra burden to the community. The moral of the story here is, if the cop are efficient then this is not necessary.Crime still happen even as these so call "security" is around. Maybe one day, each household will have to enggage private guard for their safety.

racheljansz
11-01-2008, 08:16 AM
..... Our gut feelings were proven correct when the gomen release the 2007 crime index which saw the number of cases hit past 224,000, a sharp rise of 45% from 2003 when AAB became the PM and promised to make our streets safer. Now closer to the next GE, AAB has just came out with a so-called multi-prong strategy to fight crimes. Has he been sleeping all this while? :mad:Also, after 4 year, now he says we have to pay!!!

Rocky19
11-01-2008, 09:30 AM
This coming GE is the correct opportunity for the "silent" majority to send a stong message to the gomen. From news reports and discussions on crime happenings with our friends, relatives and neighbours, we all knew that the crime situation has gone from bad to worse. Our gut feelings were proven correct when the gomen release the 2007 crime index which saw the number of cases hit past 224,000, a sharp rise of 45% from 2003 when AAB became the PM and promised to make our streets safer. Now closer to the next GE, AAB has just came out with a so-called multi-prong strategy to fight crimes. Has he been sleeping all this while? :mad:
Pak Lah is full of promises and unable to deliver them. Now he us back at repackaging his promises and marketing them as new.will he keep his promises he makes for the next GE, track record shows he won't. Unfortunately for him, the www has all the records and easy for us to check what he said and done.

Pak Lah is kaki temberang and weak leader who has delivered nothing significant and is bringing the country's progress in 50 years down the drain and his sleeping on the job is classic. Anyway he is ensured that his family is very safe while we have to worry about walking about in our neighbourhood and worry about our kids playing at the playground.

we need to send Pak Lah a strong message, the trust we gave him in 2004 is gone and he is not going to enjoy 92% seats cos he is unable to deliver what he promised us in 2004.

Chia Hak Soon
11-01-2008, 10:58 AM
If you go down to earth and just ask any eatery outlets especially coffeeshops. you will find that they still pay protection money to operate.
Whether the system is endorsed by the powers to be remains very vague.

Common sense will tell you that why can't they report to the police. Those who dares either gets no action or gets intimidated for being messy. So to sum it , security in urban neighbourhood is about how to control the downline.

In order to do so, they close two eyes and the system works. law and order simple as that.Politicians who exhibit truth and sincererity gets fixed up, because they create high standard against the norms. Our best bet was Tun Dr. Mahathir. Nobody can issue statements on his behalf. In his time,where are the body snatches, the kidnapping of children, the racist statements by elected mp in the house of August. The bold statements by politicians who are caught pants down.

After he retired, see how he was treated. I am sure he will be proud of his book " The Malay Delima " . and it remains so.

kokomo
11-01-2008, 10:59 AM
I received a call yesterday from a friend telling me there was a robbery happened yesterday afternoon in USJ 1, Giant. People inside Giant hear gunshots and everyone ran madlessly. Robbers were believed to be dark-skinned man, how many of them - I don't exactly know.

Was any of you there when the incident happen? How bad was the situation? Are they caught or they manage to get away from that area?

cskok8
11-01-2008, 11:23 AM
......and million ringgit gadjets and other hardware purchases to make commission - not for practicality or a 'war against crime?' :D
If no big arms purchases how are these "needy" companies going to earn their commission. :(

racheljansz
11-01-2008, 12:43 PM
I received a call yesterday from a friend telling me there was a robbery happened yesterday afternoon in USJ 1, Giant. People inside Giant hear gunshots and everyone ran madlessly. Robbers were believed to be dark-skinned man, how many of them - I don't exactly know.

Was any of you there when the incident happen? How bad was the situation? Are they caught or they manage to get away from that area?Check out this thread
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=21099

kokomo
11-01-2008, 12:47 PM
Yea, after I made a post in here then only I saw the thread was already posted. :o

racheljansz
11-01-2008, 12:54 PM
Pak Lah is full of promises and unable to deliver them. Now he us back at repackaging his promises and marketing them as new..No Feces! Promises made by politician? Read here
http://zorro-zorro-unmasked.blogspot.com/2008/01/hogwash-it-is-and-nothing-more-nothing.html

racheljansz
12-01-2008, 10:47 AM
Lagi satu jewellery robbery at Sungai Petani, Kedah. Wow... they sure are brave now.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/1/12/nation/19986236&sec=nation

and poor guy got shot in his party's headquarters
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/1/12/nation/19992206&sec=nation&focus=1

here are some thoughts by Howsy, The Sensintrovert on the suggestion made on crime fighting.
http://howsy.blogspot.com/2008/01/you-want-it-front-page-boss-front-page.html

racheljansz
13-01-2008, 07:37 PM
Today, Mr WONG CHUN WAI of the Star finally says out what the rakyat have been suffering for years!

On the beat? That the title of his column and it finally hits him that the rakyat needs the most is that the boys in blue to be ON THE BEAT!

"The presence of policemen in the streets has always acted as a deterrent and that should be the case. We should be mindful that policemen walking in the streets are more effective than those pushing pen and paper in the stations." - Mr WONG CHUN WAI.
http://thestar.com.my/columnists/story.asp?file=/2008/1/13/columnists/onthebeat/19995733&sec=On%20The%20Beat

Long time ago, when I was a kid. we use to have a couple of policemen* that petrols our area. Not hunting for 'duit kopi' but real friendly community who we respect and like and protects us.
BUT now?

Empty police pondok.

Only see traffic police.

See foreigners as security guards, and more security guards every where.

"It is four years since the establishment of the Royal Police Commission and more than 30 months since the publication of the Commission Report and its 125 recommendations to create a world-class police service in Malaysia." - Mr Lim Kit Siang
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/13/royal-police-commissions-125-recommendations-what-happened/#more-897

I do hope the government put aside politics and start implementing the recommendations before crimes like this
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/1/13/nation/19996203&sec=nation&focus=1
and this
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/1/13/nation/20080113160357&sec=nation
becomes common in Mr Wong's paper.

*FYI. One of the 'long ago policemen' have passed away and other, a muslim chap who have retired stills visit my mum with his family during CNY!

racheljansz
26-03-2008, 01:26 PM
Now only Mr Lee Lam Thye comes out and say this
"I think he has to make sure he can deliver on those promises. The expectations of the people are very high. I think a lot of effort has to be put into crime prevention. The police have to be visible in crime-prone areas. He has to deliver on all those things he promised, including those from the findings of the Royal Commission to Enhance the Operation and Management of the Police. The proposed Independent Police Commission on Misconduct and Complaints (IPCMC) has to be implemented." (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/Frontpage/20080326094252/Article/index_html)
After an other kid goes missing!
Oh well I just hope it is going to be better late then never!

BTW I have seen severals so called shoplots as posing as police pondok.
There is not much difference.
Samo samo.
Just as empty!

ThePolicemen get new look (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/26/nation/20750152&sec=nation), but you can hardly seen this rare endangered species.
Integrity is when the PDRM really become Polis di Raja Malaysia and not a tool for political party.
Integrity is when ACA is independent and does not reports to any political party!
Time for AAB to delivery the better housing for these guys ans gals.
Time for AAB to improve on their pay and working conditions, not just give new uniforms.
Time for him to built up an adequate force of real policemen/women with integrity and accountability.

Sato
26-03-2008, 04:38 PM
I stay in Puchong for 8 years and last month 2 days before chinese new years someone break-into my house thru the roof leaving 2 big big hole on the ceiling, i lost some cash and suffer really really bad damage to the house roof and ceiling. The whole house is flooded due to heavy rain that day. The estimate time of the break-in is around 3.30pm which is what my neighbour told me, they thought my alarm was trigger by the strong thunder,actually it was a break-in. When I reached home around 8.30pm, the whole house is like flooded, all the electrical stuff and furniture were soak and spoiled. The thief even take away the main fuse of the house,leaving my whole house in dark. :(
Then yesterday, as usual rainny day around 3pm something, my opposite neighbour mention to me that one Indian chap stop his wira in front of my next door neighbour house for about 15 minutes, then my opposite neighbour went inside his house to do something, didn't borther about it becos he thought that car just stop for making some phone call. Around 6.30pm when I reached home, my next door neighbour told me someone ransacked his house. The thief seem to be very skillful in open of pad lock for the front door, there is no damage to his front door. Then there is this big big damage on the house ceiling. I really can't understand the logic here, becos the thief come thru the front door but escape thru the roof. The dam thief leave a whole lot of mess until they couldn't clean up the house within one night, his poor childrens have to overnight in Grandma house in somewhere else.

Seem like the whole row of houses were targeted, my next 2 doors away teachers neighbour get really scare becos they fear they might be the next target and wish they won't be the one.

We already done all the proper precatious like alarm, double lock etc still it keep on happening, when will all this all this going to stop i wonder? :(

sly
26-03-2008, 07:08 PM
We already done all the proper precatious like alarm, double lock etc still it keep on happening, when will all this all this going to stop i wonder? :(

i'm so sorry to hear that sato...sorry for u and sorry for myself and my family because we're still staying in malaysia, and knowing this culprit wont be caught...my house in usj is broken in last few years and i did post it here...i know i'm really disturbed by the incident but i wont say i know how u feel now coz what u suffered is worst compared to mine.... :( it's not the valuables but the trauma u have to go through now...the cleaning etc etc....is there anything we can help? pls do let me/us know... :)

Sato
27-03-2008, 02:01 PM
i'm so sorry to hear that sato...sorry for u and sorry for myself and my family because we're still staying in malaysia, and knowing this culprit wont be caught...my house in usj is broken in last few years and i did post it here...i know i'm really disturbed by the incident but i wont say i know how u feel now coz what u suffered is worst compared to mine.... :( it's not the valuables but the trauma u have to go through now...the cleaning etc etc....is there anything we can help? pls do let me/us know... :)

Actually, this thing never happen in my life before until I shift into Puchong. The 1st time break-in, its a really scary experience for my family especially my wife and my son. Poor kid don't even dare to sleep alone and go to toilet, he say he scare some monster will "pounce" on him somewhere lurking in the dark corner of the kitchen,becos the break-in was thru the ceiling of the kitchen. While 2nd until the 5th time break-in inccident, its become annoyed and it make my family furious. Becos we have done everything, and those criminal roaming around breaking law like a king. What can we do when we are not financially sound to look for a new house?

Yesterday, I finally call up my area mp Teresa Kok to complain about the break-in case in my area, she promise will look into it as soon as possible. I hope things will get better, all I can do now is only pray for the best and hope no thief will break-into my house again although the chances of not occur is 0.01%. :(

racheljansz
27-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Sato, I am also sad that you have this sort of thing.
Another thing you can do is write to Datuk Wong Chun Wai of theStar - Friends of the Police award from the Prime Minister for their contribution to enhancing the professionalism and integrity of the force. Among them was Star Publications (Malaysia) Bhd group chief editor Datuk Wong Chun Wai. (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/26/nation/20750152&sec=nation) Make him really earn the recognition.

mitosblog
28-03-2008, 08:55 AM
The criminal issues keep popping up even after the elections, it looks like Malaysia is not as safe unlike before. No wonder many people choose to migrate elsewhere; a big loss to the country's manpower

pucman
28-03-2008, 10:03 AM
Yesterday, I finally call up my area mp Teresa Kok to complain about the break-in case in my :(

The public must also be partly responsible. Usually these robbers are construction workers who know how to open roof tiles, maneuver the roof wood and ceiling etc.

They would prefer to hire a lot of unskilled immigrants instead of locals.

So the next time you or your neighbours want to do renovation, say no to the contractors who hire them.

Hmmm. so why didn't you complain when Dr kow was MP since the break in was before chinese new year ?

pucman
28-03-2008, 10:05 AM
The criminal issues keep popping up even after the elections, it looks like Malaysia is not as safe unlike before. No wonder many people choose to migrate elsewhere; a big loss to the country's manpower

You can't expect the opposition to solve everything overnight after the election or undo all the damages by the govt which took years to formulate.

That said, we need a change in attitude in the police force. That's no point increasing police staff if the attitude remain the same. Look at the police force in singapore and compare with ours.

pucman
28-03-2008, 10:14 AM
We already done all the proper precatious like alarm, double lock etc still it keep on happening, when will all this all this going to stop i wonder? :(

Alarm is a waste of money if nobody's at home.

Usually it is those construction workers who are skillful in going through the roof.

Sato
28-03-2008, 11:32 AM
The public must also be partly responsible. Usually these robbers are construction workers who know how to open roof tiles, maneuver the roof wood and ceiling etc.

They would prefer to hire a lot of unskilled immigrants instead of locals.

So the next time you or your neighbours want to do renovation, say no to the contractors who hire them.

Hmmm. so why didn't you complain when Dr kow was MP since the break in was before chinese new year ?

That time the house was in a real mess, all i want to do is to clean up the mess and let my family have a place to stay. Yes, I m very very angry during that time,despite police "rondaan makan angin", house break-in case keep on increasing.

Calling our so call Dr Kow won't help either, i think he is out of town, balik kampung for chinese new year celebration I presume.

Mind you, those uncle and aunty that stay in low cost flat next to the MPSJ office and near the market area have to be always wary of robbers all the time especially early in the morning when they need to open their vegetable stalls. Already a lot cases happened, early in the morning when they about to walk to their vegetable stalls, some sumbag show their long parang and make away with those aunty and uncles hard earned cash, this is nightmare becos their business for the day not even started yet.

Sato
28-03-2008, 11:39 AM
Alarm is a waste of money if nobody's at home.

Usually it is those construction workers who are skillful in going through the roof.

Ya i am aware of that, what can you do when both me and my wife need to make a living and there is no one is willing to offer help. I can only depend on myself to protect my own property. I can only accept this as my bad luck if the thief target my house since the police and local mp cannot be depend on. :(

pucman
28-03-2008, 03:49 PM
Ya i am aware of that, what can you do when both me and my wife need to make a living and there is no one is willing to offer help. I can only depend on myself to protect my own property. I can only accept this as my bad luck if the thief target my house since the police and local mp cannot be depend on. :(

PM me. There are gated community in puchong.

great
29-03-2008, 03:51 AM
I live in Subang Jaya, 2 years ago my friend just as representatives of overseas Chinese students met with by the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao fewer days later, a group of people were cut him 6 knives,when he went to makan in the middle of the night

umadavid
29-03-2008, 07:02 PM
I live in Subang Jaya, 2 years ago my friend just as representatives of overseas Chinese students met with by the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao fewer days later, a group of people were cut him 6 knives,when he went to makan in the middle of the night
So what happened to your friend? Pls. elaborate. Which part of Subang?