Wanted: USJ/SJ Community Police Critics. [Archive]

orchipalar

10-08-2006, 08:03 PM

From "Wheels for Cops"...http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=165905&postcount=48

I criticise for good intentions. Don't get me wrong. I'm more than willing to donate for a good cause but to donate to something which less meaningful compared to SJ Crime Alert, I cast my doubts as long as questions remain unanswered.Err...Dear Nina:)...are you suggesting that the SJ ALERT programme is less meaningful as well...what doubts do you still have...?
We cannot donate blindly and hope that it will be put to good use later. First, the police indicated there were lack of manpower & then lack of competent drivers. Little was mentioned about lack of vehicles during the dialogue (if I remembered correctly). Moreover, police vehicle which comes to my area in 3A does not even bother to cover the last few streets beyond the house equipped with police blue box. So, tell me if this is acceptable!Err...as Orchi recalls NOBODY asked about how many vehicles the Police has for use...

The Police has admitted their shortcomings...n they have heard our concerns...why can't we work positively towards contributing to finding various ways...so that we could see some improvement from the Police...rather than harping n dwelling...on their weaknesses...?

Can Orchi get some positive assistance from you whenever we need residents like you to come forward with better n more valuable suggestions in our next or future projects...next time?

The existing Police patrol vehicles are also NOT put to full use (quoted from dialogue session - each patrol vehicle rests for 18 hrs due to lack of drivers).Ahem Nina...the ADUN...community representatives n sponsors...have gone on record publicly in the recent press conference...to announce the vehicle donation campaign with the cooperations from the community Police...aren't you the least doubtful...why how they can substantiate their statistics to the Public...IF they were NOT true...???

Oh btw...don't want this to sound cynical or something like that...but we really need ALL the LUCK we can get...

So please continue to spare Orchi or the rest with more of it...TQ.

orchipalar

11-08-2006, 12:01 PM

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=166026&postcount=52

My sincere apologies if the organising committee cannot take the slightest criticism even though my questions were directly related to this thread topic.

If I get a 'Banana' out from this, it is worthwhile, coz' everyone must REALISE that even if we provide the 'Hardwares' (ie. patrol vehicles), the police admitted in the dialogue session that they are still lacking in 'Softwares' (ie. standardised SOPs) & 'Peopleware' (ie. manpower, competent trained drivers).Err dear Nina:)...you are still dwelling on the weaknesses of the Police force...n much of that comes from the administration which you may have voted in for...so how? Where do you suggest we go from here...? n how can you contribute to improve that...?
"Existing 2 patrol vehicles at USJ8 Pondok Polis are put to rest 16-18 hours a day due to lack of trained drivers!!!"

"Each vehicle only run on one (1) 6-hrly shift".
(Source : Quoted from the recent Police Dialogue Session).

Is it really the "LACK of Hardwares" (ie. patrol vehicles) the main contributing factor for the high crime rates in SJ/USJ ???Err...the OCPD was speaking from his situations faced at the IPD Subang Jaya(Seri Kembangan)...n NOT specifically that of USJ 8 Balai n SS17 Balai...So if you care to call his numbers to find out more...one would be provided to you...n you can either go there to obtain his confirmation or you would have to try your best to trust the Press release...issued recently by your ADUN.
Or are we doing this for the sake of gaining "Recognition" & "Popularity" in our community ???Err...becareful there Nina...you were NOT part of this at all...please do NOT try to spin it to reflect your doubts n whatever dissatisfaction that you may have...on the efforts of those involved in it...
If I had not be clear, I'd certainly prefer to contribute to SJ Alert System coz' its a frontline approach to help disseminate crime alerts for public awareness. When there is awareness, people are more alert & ready.Err...thank you for clearing that point out with regards to the on going SJ ALERT programme...
Of course, I can be wrong. No further questions asked nor am I going to post anymore comments in here since, I don't see the worth in donating to such cause.

My sincere apologies again if my statements hv been offensive. Just being realistic, NinaErr...if you asked Orchi...Orchi doesn't think you are wrong to be doubtful...but just that you may be naive about what's going...n that of good intentions n efforts from the organising committee...

Your points however are taken by Orchi n the rest positively...n 'we' hope you can further contribute whatever or however you see fit to do so...

So when you are ready with more...just start by returning to Orchi's phone call...n Orchi would be obliged to find whatever answers that you wish for...to the best of Orchi's ability...n start to get things moving in reality instead as you have put forth...ratherthan 'us' just talking in the forum...

orchipalar

11-08-2006, 12:21 PM

Err...Orchi just received a call from MOYSC...n from our 'good' conversation...Orchi gathers from her n agree that more needs to be done asap...n put aside any misunderstandings in order to move on...

n she even suggested that she would NOT object to a proposal for a campaign to donate 'vehicles' for the SJ ALERT programme...:)

alexhay

11-08-2006, 01:28 PM

Orchi..sorry to hijack your thread as got something to share..

If you guys interested to help out the police force, you could helped out by joining their Police Volunteer Reserve Unit. You will get paid. For more info, please visit http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/rmp06/sukarelawan/sp.htm

I had friends who are attached with the unit and he told me is a good experience.

tan_r

11-08-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by MOYSC
Or are we doing this for the sake of gaining "Recognition" & "Popularity" in our community ???.
How could I have missed this statement of the day?

Folks, if we all have nothing better to do than just sit and look for agendas and self-interests behind every action, nothing will ever get done because we will find what we want to find.

AllUrban

11-08-2006, 03:56 PM

As I said before, how about a letter-writing campaign....

Here's my version.

One of the more surprising pieces of information that came out of the recent Subang Jaya Police-Community Dialgoue was that the police are seriously challenged because they do not have enough personnel and vehicles.

I wonder how embarassed Subang Jaya OCPD Muhammad Fuad Taib must have felt when he informed the residents that he had access to only 4 police vehicles to patrol a community of over 300,000 people.

The people of the Subang Jaya and USJ communities have responded quickly to the needs of the police, contributing to the Wheels for Cops programme.

The goal of the programme is to raise RM90,000 for the purchase of four Perodua Kembaras for the Police force to use in the Subang Jaya and USJ areas.

It is disappointing that we have, for a long time, refused to invest in our police force. The police need more vehicles, more officers, better equipment, and more respect than we have given them recently.

We as a society must realize that we must invest in our police force and give them the support that they need, if there is a hope to reducing crime rates.

It is time for all Malaysians to reinvest in our communities.
Sincerely....

You are free to use this letter or something like it. Let's flood the newspapers, councils, party offices, ADUNs and MPs, with our concerns.

Cheers, m

orchipalar

11-08-2006, 04:23 PM

From Thread "Car Stolen - BHH 1982"...http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=166082&postcount=19

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=166082&postcount=19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
Between Jalan Setiamurni and Jalan Setiakasih, if one can afford it, because the police patrol car passes by every 20 minutes and sign the books hung at the gates of your left, right and front neighbors. Now, thats safety in Malaysia.
This posting has just inspired me : If in a taman one house in each road has the book hung for police signature, I believe the police will have the chance to patrol all the roads in a taman every hour(s)....

What do you say folks ?Err...now this is interesting...as much as Orchi was told by the Police...one need to apply n subscribe to this service...n pay a certain monthly fee to the Police...for them to do so...subject to their evaluation n approval under certain conditions or existing circumstances...

Now assuming that you could get the Police to do that to your home...please try to get ALL them affected residents together on your own...derive the means to monitor who is willing to do what...n who is willing to pay how much...n start to put your proposal plan to work...

Then round them residents up...n make a MASSIVE application n subscribtion exercises to the service with the Police...

n IF the Police has the means to consider n approve to the applications of ALL the residents concerned...

You would have to get EVERYBODY there to source for the blue-boxes...pens n register books and get them all fixed to their front gates of those homes concerned...

Very well done indeed...n you would have to get EVERYBODY to pay up on time to the Police on the monthly basis...so as the service from the Police would NOT be interrupted...from time to time. - Eg. Like somebody mentioned in the recent Police Dialogue...he has a Blue Box since 2 years ago in front of his...n the Police came to register at it initially BUT NEVER turn up thereafter...so what happened? Orchi can tell you what happened...HE HAS NOT BEEN PAYING HIS MONTHLY FEES TO THE POLICE...period!

So PROVIDED again...the POLICE has the means to do so for ALL affected residents to begin with...for such of your proposal to work...to all affected residents in USJ and Subang Jaya...

Assuming 80,000 to 100,000 households in all...n 10% of these are what you so called corner lots owners...so you have to approach 8,000 or 10,000 of these folks to agree to your proposal...n then what...you have to assume that they would do it...for the sakes of the other non-paying residents who lives between the corner lots houses...otherwise they might just ask the rest to share their monthly costs...wouldn't they? Can you get everybody to agree...?

So when we do for a little donation campaign to get some patrol vehicles for the community Police...also we are faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little campaign to get residents to join a community SMS service programme...also we are faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little protest to get residents to join in the protest to fight for our rights to have a piece of Balai Reserved land protected against the greedy commercial developers...also we faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little campaign to get immediate neighbours to pay monthly for PRIVATE security service...also we faced with some difficulties...

n when we do for a little effort to get our backlanes all fenced up to deter thieves n what not...also we faced with some difficulties...

n when we do a massive neighborhood campaign for neighbourwatch groups...also we faced with plenty of difficulties...

Therefore...why don't you start n DO the campaign to propose what you just suggested to all the affected residents in the community...

Be certain that Orchi for one would be right behind working for you...

MOYSC

11-08-2006, 05:11 PM

[QUOTE=AllUrbanOne of the more surprising pieces of information that came out of the recent Subang Jaya Police-Community Dialgoue was that the police are seriously challenged because they do not have enough personnel and vehicles.

I wonder how embarassed Subang Jaya OCPD Muhammad Fuad Taib must have felt when he informed the residents that he had access to only 4 police vehicles to patrol a community of over 300,000 people.[/QUOTE]

It really boils me whenever I've to talk abt the police. But heck, I am oblige to since the police is PARTIALLY responsible for providing "OPPORTUNITIES" for crimes to happen in our area!

Yes, the police indicated lack of manpower but also trained drivers too! Lack of drivers but wanting to add on more patrol vehicles does not seem to equate does it???

Besides, the lack of manpower & vehicles is not an overnight issue. It is possibly an age-old problem or excuse! If we'd waited years on their shortfalls, why didn't the police or the govt. take any action?
Now there is allocation of CCTVs, Sports Cmplx, etc. but yet still no allocation for the basic necessities for the police??? I'm amazed...

Perhaps I'm naive & ignorant. I really hope the police would do better & I do not doubt they are trying to improve. However, it hurts me everytime I'd to face reality abt our police force... They are in a pathetic (or shld I say symphathetic) state!

orchipalar

11-08-2006, 05:42 PM

Perhaps I'm naive & ignorant. I really hope the police would do better & I do not doubt they are trying to improve. However, it hurts me everytime I'd to face reality abt our police force... They are in a pathetic (or shld I say symphathetic) state!Err...yes Nina:)...they need public sympathy... (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Friday/NewsBreak/20060811165925/Article/index_html) they don't need people to blame them for any shortcomings from the government n circumstances...they merely need more people to appreciate what they do n their sacrifices...

Every day n night they are exposed to dangers...n they are victims too...

11 Aug 2006
By Fadhal Ilahi Abd Ghani and Dennis Wong

KUALA LUMPUR: It was an anonymous call that helped police arrest five suspects in connection with the murder of Tunku Abdul Rahman College student Lee Kean Yip.

The Rakan Cop tip-off sent 17 policemen racing to a budget hotel on Jalan Genting Klang where they found the suspects high on ganja and syabu.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Friday/National/20060811075941/Article/local1_html

n please defend their honour... (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Friday/National/20060811075941/Article/local1_html)...n they need public cooperations...especially when there are people out there telling everybody n accusing the Police that...the Police acted only when there was a reward offered to the capture of the snatch thieves cum murderer of the TAR college student...recently!

Teeque

11-08-2006, 06:35 PM

Critics? No much of a point. But if you need firing squad or hangman, then notify me...

MOYSC

11-08-2006, 08:32 PM

Have we forgotten about an article not many months ago about Malaysian Police?

A para from an article in the Star dated 6 April 2006 :

CORRUPTION, abuse of power, ineffective and poor service – these were the descriptions of the police force. They did not come from the Opposition but from the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Mohd Bakri Omar himself.

Full article at : click here (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/4/6/nation/13870198&sec=nation)

I'm not trying to proof that I'm right nor am I against the police force.
Lets just sit down for a moment to think -

Will the donation of more patrol vehicles have direct impact on reducing crimes in our community?

OR

would it be more meaningful if we'd physically helped the police by reviving our Rukuntetangga system and/or joining the Police Volunteer Reserve unit and/or even getting the homeguards to help the police,

while the police themselves find ways to rectify their shortfalls, inefficiencies & corruption?

I brought up the question to the organising committee of the Police Dialogue session on how the police can help homeguards (employed by residents) curb crime. I understand the homeguards contribute "fees" to the police and perhaps in return, the police can offer free training to these guards who are also risking every second of the lives to protect us from harm. These guards are lowly paid & lack resources but yet they DO NOT whine...

Even though we physically hv to pay homeguards every month, but don't forget you & I are paying taxes - which also goes to pay the police.

Nina

tan_r

11-08-2006, 10:32 PM

CORRUPTION, abuse of power, ineffective and poor service – these were the descriptions of the police force. They did not come from the Opposition but from the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Mohd Bakri Omar himself.

I'm not trying to proof that I'm right nor am I against the police force.

By bolding the first para, you do not actually need to explain the self-explanatory. :D

mon

11-08-2006, 10:41 PM

I believe some of us are just contributing a small, affordable sum of money which is pinched from our pockets to help the Subang Jaya police force by providing the adequate and necessary automobiles needed..also, to show them we DO care and will support them, and hoping, by doing that, the police' efficiency would prevail..

I do not expect perfections from them but there is a ray of hope and faith, that they will do their very best to work more efficiently to protect all of us..I did not contribute much but I have to thank those who have run the extra miles. Thanks again.

tan_r

11-08-2006, 10:42 PM

Will the donation of more patrol vehicles have direct impact on reducing crimes in our community?

Would it not, in your very honest opinion?

would it be more meaningful if we'd physically helped the police by reviving our Rukuntetangga system and/or joining the Police Volunteer Reserve unit and/or even getting the homeguards to help the police,

I have to agree that this is a splendid idea. Would you want to help kick start this idea? I promise you my full support. Except for the PVR - I already disqualified - 4 eyes and overaged.

orchipalar

12-08-2006, 03:12 AM

Full article at : click here (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/4/6/nation/13870198&sec=nation)

I'm not trying to proof that I'm right nor am I against the police force.
Lets just sit down for a moment to think - Err...dear Nina:)...yes by now Orchi should be discouraged n convinced by that...your sole interest has been wanting to prove yourself right...n that you are prejudicely against the entire Police force...while Orchi thought we could start off by addressing the problems from a micro perspective or rather...
Will the donation of more patrol vehicles have direct impact on reducing crimes in our community?Err unlike you...though Orchi thinks 'we' still have a good rapport n working relationship with the local community Police here...certainly 'we' can NOT guarantee that the initiative concerned...would yield the results as you would have expected them to be...from the start...which is nil to you obviously...

n neither can you assure anyone that...the gomen's allocations of the existing facilities would be put to 'exceptional' use by your standards...nor can you guarantee that the weaponry used in the law enforcement would NOT miss their intended target at the criminals...can you?

But anyway...should you had been willing to take a part of which you had refused from the very beginning...'we' would have folks like you to watch over the progress...or its shortcomings...n blast your dissatisfactions whenever the opportunity for you to do so arises...wouldn't we?
OR would it be more meaningful if we'd physically helped the police by reviving our Rukuntetangga system and/or joining the Police Volunteer Reserve unit and/or even getting the homeguards to help the police,while the police themselves find ways to rectify their shortfalls, inefficiencies & corruption?Err...yes that would be one of the few ways...which you could look for improvement...so work on it...will you?

BUT first like Orchi had repeated before...donating patrol vehicles to the local community Police is simply just ONE of the few ways 'we' see fit to pursue at this present juncture...n it isn't being done by one man or a group of men ...on his or their own fancy only...it is with a collective efforts by various groups of residents' representatives...together with the cooperation from the local community Police...n that of higher levels from the Police departments...n from the Home Ministry as well...
I brought up the question to the organising committee of the Police Dialogue session on how the police can help homeguards (employed by residents) curb crime. I understand the homeguards contribute "fees" to the police and perhaps in return, the police can offer free training to these guards who are also risking every second of the lives to protect us from harm. These guards are lowly paid & lack resources but yet they DO NOT whine...Err...here again that may be a good suggestion...please take a crack at it n stick to it...
Even though we physically hv to pay homeguards every month, but don't forget you & I are paying taxes - which also goes to pay the police. Nina.Err yes...no one is doubting that...

'We' pay taxes too...BUT please don't forget of those folks whom have been making the efforts n working towards getting the Deputy Minister of the Internal Security Ministry n all the relevant Police Top Brass...all the way to the GSC theater under one roof so to speak to grace the charity screening...which would be the BEST avenue for you or anyone else for the matter...to address all your expectations...concerns n questions...with.

n you seem to have blatantly refused to even consider that opportunity...

Originally Posted by MOYSC
Or are we doing this for the sake of gaining "Recognition" & "Popularity" in our community ???.BUT you did see fit to get personal with those folks n attempted to shoot down on their well intended initiative n efforts thus far instead...*Sigh*

MOYSC

12-08-2006, 09:43 AM

aimless

12-08-2006, 10:04 AM

MOYSC

i think this is what a forum like this is all about - you expressed your opinions, and people like orchi, pcyeoh, etc, have expressed theirs. It so happens that their opinions are not the same as yours, and they are trying to provide answers for certain allegations which you have raised.

i think that if you are willing to state your opinons (which to me are an interesting couterpoint to the main tide of opinion here) then you should also accept that others have opinions which differ from yours..

tupai

12-08-2006, 10:14 AM

Agree with the fund raisers...
this drive also serves as a strong 'signal' (political parlance :D ) to the Top Brass invited to the screening that we the community is prepared to do 'almost' anything to bring down the crime rate..and on the sly, don't you think they are also embarassed by the inherent shortcomings (lack of resources being one) of the pdrm?

Lets just do our little part and move on positively...

Yang Amat Blur, Cynical and frustrated with the Home Ministry for not addressing the BIG picture, lato tupai.

robertec

12-08-2006, 11:48 AM

It truly amazes me, how knowing that we each have different opinions about everything under the Sun to take debates and discussions so personally.

We keep losing good meaning people because of this lousy attitude.

Everyone can be an armchair critic, but always remember that it is only when you have hands on experience do you get the in-depth understanding of situations, much like a victim of robbery.

Why can’t we just agree to disagree?

Can we stop all this nonsense.
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idolfan

12-08-2006, 03:13 PM

EVERYONE is frustrated (to say the least) with present crime situation in the Valley , not just Subang Jaya. Commendable efforts by Tan_r , and orchi and others to try and reverse the situation somewhat in Subang Jaya.

At the same time its only fair that MoySc and others make their opinions heard... which is exactly what this forum is for. Those in the committee should not regard ( not saying they do ) those who are not contributing towards the vehicles as being apathetic. Others will contribute to society in their own way.

idolfan

12-08-2006, 03:40 PM

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/12/nation/15127152&sec=nation

'What happens then in the meantime?

The short-term solution, as I see it, lies in providing the police force with additional patrol cars and installing more closed-circuit television cameras in cities and towns where the crime rate is high.

Currently, the police patrol cars on the streets are seen to be insufficient, and that has always been a major grouse of the public.

The mere presence of patrol cars will definitely deter criminals, as they know that escape will not be easy.

And CCTVs set up at strategic places can double as additional eyes.

Such interim measures will, at least, make our streets safer before reinforcement comes in three years’ time. "

If a reporter writes on the efforts made by SJ community, maybe some govt. leaders will be embarrased into action. :-)

kwchang

12-08-2006, 05:01 PM

...and on the sly, don't you think they are also embarassed by the inherent shortcomings (lack of resources being one) of the pdrm?..

...maybe some govt. leaders will be embarrased into action..
...in other words, take the bull by the horns.

I am glad we have people willing to act rather than sit on the backsides and comment about what is rightfully ordained. As said by so many of you, opinions are opinions and they remain valueble if they do not become personal.

Nina is correct in his/her opinion... and the Orchi/Raymond/Robert/PC team is also entitled to their opinions. At the end of the day, if the residents want to donate their hard-earned monies, let them do it. Please do not feel obliged to shoot it down ... perhaps those on Nina's side may feel bad because they are not donating and thence feel they must declare that this is an exercise in futility? My apologies in guessing and mind-reading.

patrick

12-08-2006, 10:07 PM

....also, to show them we DO care and will support them, and hoping, by doing that, the police' efficiency would prevail..

I do not expect perfections from them but there is a ray of hope and faith, that they will do their very best to work more efficiently to protect all of us....

I like Mon's posting, particularly her phrasing of "ray of hope and faith". In some ways, I feel like MOYSC. I have many reasons to be disappointed with the Polis in general. However, I still try hard to work with the Polis because by having a "ray of hope and faith" in people, sometimes this rubs off and has a positive spiral effect. Positive vibes can be very powerful.

Also, whilst in general I am disappointed with the polis for the many reasons, yet I try to look at the situation objectively, and try to give them the benefit of doubt. And at the end of the day, I am less disappointed with the polis but rather with the power that be that should look after the polis. And that's why I am prepared to walk the extra mile to lend the polis a hand. And why do I sympathize with the polis? Some of the reasons:

1. Generally, the polis are underpaid. I believe they are one of the worst paid polis force.
2. The polis work in a less than satisfactory environment. Try visiting the polis and I dont mean just at the counter to make a polis report. Go into the inspector's and officers room. Broken chairs, torn cushions, noisy airconds or worse, not even working properly. Dirty toilets, no bulbs etc. Why? No budget from the authority, or rather insufficient.
3. Insufficient vehicle, equipment, facilities etc. Heard someone say that when polis reach toll houses, they dont even have a tag to get through speedily!
4. Inconducive living/accomodation environment.
5. Poor retirement benefit. Due to low salary, many retire with poor pension.

I am sure I can think of more circumstances. Hence, my reasons why I am still prepared to work with them for the sake of the community.

pcyeoh

12-08-2006, 11:50 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/JoeSingh.jpg

My stern father, beside using the cane, used to scare the shiit out of me saying 'the police is going to catch me' when I was hardly 6 years old. I would break down and cried non stop! Over time, I always had the bad impression of the police and would even cursed them. But eversince my family moved to Subang Jaya from Penang, I had the opportunity working with them. Like Patrick, I began to sympathise with them in their work. Except for a few black sheep, the rest are human and are like you and me with family members.

But today, I want to share one happy moment with you. I had lunch with them. Some 30 of us in the Subang Jaya/USJ community were invited to lunch by Dato Lee Hwa Beng and among the 30 were the OCPD of Subang Jaya, all the heads of the Subang Jaya, USJ 8, Putra Heights and Sunway balai polis. It was a happy occasion where Dato Lee presented the ADUN commendation award for good police work by a Joe Public to Mr. Joe Mahinder Singh of SS 14 Subang Jaya. Astriding on his superbike, Joe Mahinder Singh has single handedly over a period of years arrested 19 criminals and brought them to the police stations. Even the OCPD said that many of his men couldn't even match this record. Last month, Joe as he is commonly known as also received a commendation letter from the Police Force during their HARI POLIS KE 199. It seems an annual affair and a natural thing for Joe Singh to receive such award - a simple Thank You letter without a single sen reward. In his speech, Joe said, "I thank God that He built me with this body size and I thought I should do something about it. I first started to make citizen arrest after one of my relatives including my dear wife became victims of crime." Over lunch he related a recent incident to us where he saw a couple of young boys whose legs could hardly reach the ground riding their parents' motorcycles. He confiscated their keys and told the boys their fathers could claim them back from the Subang Jaya police station!!

Congratulations to Joe Singh for making our community a safe place to live in.

tupai

13-08-2006, 12:01 AM

[IMG]... Over lunch he related a recent incident to us where he saw a couple of young boys whose legs could hardly reach the ground riding their parents' motorcycles. He confiscated their keys and told the boys their fathers could claim them back from the Subang Jaya police station!!

Congratulations to Joe Singh for making our community a safe place to live in.
hehehheehhe...where got beer served today? the he is me lah :p

yang amat blur lato tupai

mon

13-08-2006, 12:08 AM

I still try hard to work with the Polis because by having a "ray of hope and faith" in people, sometimes this rubs off and has a positive spiral effect. Positive vibes can be very powerful.

....my reasons why I am still prepared to work with them for the sake of the community.

Thanks Pat. Any crime that happen in our community concerns and affects all of us one way or another. What you guys are doing now is more than just about tackling crime and disorder, it is about how safe people feel in their own community and how we can all make a real difference by working together...to make usj/subang an even safer place to visit, live and work in.

pcyeoh

13-08-2006, 12:15 AM

hehehheehhe...where got beer served today? the he is me lah :p

yang amat blur lato tupai

Sorry sorry sorry lah latok. I thought I was drunk. Must be the mineral water served on the main table. Yeah, it was latuk who did that. I was captivated by his action as I was wondering how to arrest this problem where these young street urchins blantantly ridings their parents' bikes without a licence and insurance coverage. Next teh tarik session one teh tarik halia with tongkat ali on me.

kwchang

13-08-2006, 12:19 AM

hehehheehhe...the he is me lahI can vouch for that - Keith told us that story after the ceremonies...

I hope one day Orchi and Raymond will be there too getting their citizens' awards. Uhhhh... PC, I believe the record by Joe Singh is 17 citizen's arrests, not 19. Orchi, by the time you make your first citizen's arrest, Joe might have done his 20th, a tough one to match.

pcyeoh

13-08-2006, 12:54 AM

It was also interesting that the OCPD also touched on crime reporting which was also deeply discussed here in our forum. He said it is believed that for every crime reported, there are 4 more unreported due to the losses are not considered significant enough to warrant the trouble to report them. In fact he said he fully understand that the public do not want to face so many 'mah huan' (great inconvenience) when reporting crime. But he said these people can just dial in and provide the police with information as the police treasure every information to build up a case. This was what some of us are encouraging you to do.

orchipalar

15-08-2006, 05:04 PM

It appears pointless to provide anymore of my sincere opinions and/or suggestions. Any slightest criticism against the police seems to be a THREAT to those in favour of them. There is hardly freedom to express my views and opinions - if I question the logic & the rationality & disagree with the majority, I'll be CRUCIFIED (Sounds familiar???)

I'm being accused as a cynical person, prejudiced, having self-interest, my honesty questioned and having an expectation beyond everyone's reach! Perhaps, it would hv been an ideal state t if I'd stayed silent & continued to be ignorant and be naive & play the game of "follow the leader". Perhaps so, when our little train are moving along, we've no room for people who plays the devil's advocate.Err...dear Nina:)...realistically this is what Orchi n most of the residents representatives feel...you are absolutely spot on...with that...!!!

Orchi wants to work for people that would put their POSITIVE criticism n suggestions into plans n actions...Orchi wants to work with people that HAS POSITIVE MINDSET to make sacrifices n changes that would bring about POSITIVE effects...

n IF ONE doesn't change their existing attitude ratherthan wanting to take snipe remarks at others(including those in the POLICE Force)...whom are genuinely spending their time n efforts DOING what they COLLECTIVELY think would eventually work for the betterment of ALL...'we' regret having to leave them far behind...

Here is a piece of news for you n others...IF you have NOT read it to begin with...

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/15/nation/15144152&sec=nation

"Meanwhile, in an unrelated incident, a member of the Police Volunteer Reserve suffered injuries when a motorcyclist, who was evading a police roadblock in USJ 7, crashed into him last Saturday."

Although the news isn't as accurate coz the incident happened in between USJ2 and USJ3...on Persiaran Tujuan itself...the case is real...

It happened to one of the PVR(Police Volunteer Reserve) member who is in his mid 30s...n who is earning RM144 per month from PDRM...to do voluntary policing works...which requires him to perform 5 times(25 hours) of service in a Month...which work out to be around RM5.76 per hour allowance offered by PDRM...

From what Orchi understands from concerned residents' representatives who had visited him today...the patient is currently lying in hospital bed in the Serdang Hospital...where the doctor said it would probably take upto 3 or 4 months for his broken leg to heal...n very likely he won't be able to do his 'normal' duty n commitment to his family or his company during that time...or likely could be longer than that...

n from what Orchi understands also...before 1st August 2006...all PVR members who faced injury in the line of their voluntary work...were NOT covered by any gomen's medical insurance scheme...

He is probably one of the few that would 'benefit' from the recent NEW ruling...BUT wait...the gomen ain't paying the costs of putting metal plates into his leg to hold the broken bone together...that is done at his own costs...

So what do you propose 'we'...or anyone for the matter do about that...?

n Orchi now recalls you said...the Police Force is a pathetic lot right...? Well you can say that again Nina...

Oh...one more thing...there were folks that called Orchi that night...n said..."Orchi what the heck is going on...there is a massive traffic jam at Persiaran Tujuan..."

Orchi told them that the Police is running a massive road block...

n they said..."Don't the Police know better NOT to run road blocks during peak traffic hours...causing massive traffic jams...n inconvenience to the Public???"

So Orchi meant to ask...whose neighbours these guys belong to...???

AllUrban

15-08-2006, 05:16 PM

"Use scramblers to fight crime, Adnan tells police (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/15/nation/15142117&sec=nation)"

Quotes from the article in the Star Newspaper.

"IPOH: Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor has proposed that scramblers be used to help police fight crime and better protect tourists.

He said he was trying to persuade police to allow their personnel to be on scramblers so they could go after snatch thieves in tight spots such as alleys or going up staircase."

what is a scrambler?

Cheers, m

kwchang

15-08-2006, 05:37 PM

Since you are from Canada, you are excused - I liken scramblers to be mechanical horses because they can go almost on any terrain. these are off-road motorbikes. Google it under images and you will find, for example this (http://azarudeenother.tripod.com/ebay_items/scrambler.jpg)

pcyeoh

15-08-2006, 05:48 PM

Sorry Chang, I need to moderate you just like the other fella who did that on you when you call them kampung folks. The Canadians are familiar with the scrambler bikes. They are not that ulu. And our forumer friend who is an expert in transportation surely knows what it is when he sees the photo. May be All Urban is too young when this bike was a craze. I couldn't ride the bike as my legs are too short. You need to have 10 foot legs to rest your feet on the ground or else you will wobble like a boat on a stormy sea. But you are also not helping him either when the link you mentioned showed nothing. Either the scrambler is a myth like Big Foot. People talk about it but nobody has snapped a picture of it or the link is incomplete.

OK lah.... I make it easy for everyone to see whether this scrambler is suitable for the purpose the Tourism Minister is talking about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/50ccsuperbike1.jpg

tupai

15-08-2006, 06:00 PM

I started with scrambler in the 80s, a suzuki TS125. With this machine, I had one of the greatest adventures of my life then...

ALL these cheapy talks by the vips etc...what the ikan they know? I can ride a cubchai, catch even a superbike and overtake them in the jammy city & usj roads...I will only lose out if its str8 roads, when their 750cc-1459cc outperform my 110cc cub.

Knowing that almost 90% of snatch thieves operate with cub chai...just get another cub to catch them...u don't need a scrambler...

Yang Amat benggang with idiot vips lato tupai

p/s PC, the one that is as tall as a horse is usu a dual purpose...a scrambler is shorter lah...me standing tall on 2inch heels, at 155cm also can ride lah. :p

kwchang

15-08-2006, 06:03 PM

Sorry Chang, I need to moderate you just like the other fella who did that on you when you call them kampung folks..
wrong on both counts. In this case, I excused allurban becoz bikes are not common in the western environment unlike over here where we have these 2 wheelers terrorizing the roads and highways. I believe motorbikes are the exception in places like Canada. Certainly in the UK, I saw very liitle of the motorbikes since it is so cold to be riding in the open unlike here in the Tropics. As for the link, I can see it. Maybe it timed out for you. Anyway google it.

By the way, we are getting off topic oredi...

Teeque

16-08-2006, 04:02 AM

robertec

16-08-2006, 01:21 PM

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"Meanwhile, in an unrelated incident, a member of the Police Volunteer Reserve suffered injuries when a motorcyclist, who was evading a police roadblock in USJ 7, crashed into him last Saturday."

Although the news isn't as accurate coz the incident happened in between USJ2 and USJ3...on Persiaran Tujuan itself...the case is real...

It happened to one of the PVR(Police Volunteer Reserve) member who is in his mid 30s...n who is earning RM144 per month from PDRM...to do voluntary policing works...which requires him to perform 5 times(25 hours) of service in a Month...which work out to be around RM5.76 per hour allowance offered by PDRM...

From what Orchi understands from concerned residents' representatives who had visited him today...the patient is currently lying in hospital bed in the Serdang Hospital...where the doctor said it would probably take upto 3 or 4 months for his broken leg to heal...n very likely he won't be able to do his 'normal' duty n commitment to his family or his company during that time...or likely could be longer than that....................

Okay now, let's put a face to all of this:

http://www.usj23.com/knight_watch/pvr/Naissam.JPG
Constable Naissam bin Mohd Kunjoo, 35, lives in SS19 and had been a PVR for more than a year.

http://www.usj23.com/knight_watch/pvr/SJUSJ%20Resident.JPG
YB Dato' Lee Hwa Beng and Residents of SJ/USJ present Constable Naissam with cash and a flower basket as tokens of appreciation.

For more pictures and reports visit:
http://www.usj23.com/knight_watch/pvr/pvr.htm
http://www.nwatch.net.my/topicOpen.cfm?start=1&count=10&id=5FCBBA23-92F2-48CD-A2F01FC1836F29AF&#buffer391B6863-2464-4BD3-92769B0FAD0856FB

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AllUrban

16-08-2006, 02:06 PM

thank you for the information

A scrambler (I also call them dirt bikes) is an interesting idea for a police motorcycle....may even get more attention from children than a bicycle.

Certainly the noise of the thing might scare the bravado any potential snatch thief riding a 125cc Boon Siew Honda or Modenas Kriss :cool:

I guess that this idea is almost like having a sports car for the highway patrol...let the criminals know that the police have the equipment to do the job and catch the crooks.

But one thing I have noticed about good police work...when catching criminals, police work best in packs, not on their own (ex. watch any car chase in America)

Back to the topic

Cheers, m

orchipalar

17-08-2006, 09:18 PM

Err...acting swiftly upon a tip-off from an alert resident earlier this afternoon...the Police at USJ 8 Balai...have managed to capture n arrested a vehicle thief at the neighborhood Shopping Complex...

The Chinese man in his late 30s...is believed to be one of the car theft ring members...who have been active in stealing vehicles in our community...

The USJ 8 Balai Police have also recovered the Toyota Hilux(s) believed to be stolen recently...

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=167781&postcount=318

tan_r

17-08-2006, 09:46 PM

Orchi-san et al, why am I having a feeling that I am missing some fun in USJ?

iml109

17-08-2006, 11:21 PM

In the US, scramblers are called dirt bikes. And in the Western countries, there ARE bikes being driven but they are at least 250cc and above. (Our lato tupai here rides the Western and Japanese monsters... lol.) Occasionally on campus grounds and with the pizza boys, you will see some scooters. But they dont hv what we call here the cheap cubchais (cubs). This one is only a Asian phenomenon (or Malaysian?) Even in Singapore, if not mistaken, they hv banned these cubs on the road due to low safety levels. Sorri to digress...

Holy cow, I didn't know cubchais are actually spelled that! I thought its some Malaysian slang that will spell out like 'kapchai' which means 'locally made bikes' :D (at least, that is what the police spelled out when my handbag was literally grabbed from the table I was sitting at.)

Btw, interesting topic I read here. But after reading all the above, I am biting my tongue. :p

Teeque

18-08-2006, 01:16 AM

orchipalar

18-08-2006, 11:37 AM

Orchi-san et al, why am I having a feeling that I am missing some fun in USJ?Err well buddy...to be honest about it...yes you have missed some fun...but it would be more fun to have you around...n doing it together.

VeeJay

18-08-2006, 12:08 PM

Well, it is not the official spelling lah. :) It derived frm the word cub, which i think was a reference to a certain Honda Cub variant of small cc bikes in the old days. I may be wrong so can someone (like lato tupai) confirm this? The chinese added the 'chai' to denote the small size and lo and behold, cubchai was born. The Malays just modified to 'kapchai' for spelling purpose.

ermm iml, we better get back to topic otherwise....

You are right, the word was originally coined by Honda for the late 1950s model, which had smaller engine capacity (50cc) compared to other bikes, thus cubs was named meaning small. Also according to Honda, the word suppose to mean cheap urban bike - cub. Later on the word got inherited to all model/brand of bikes smaller than 100cc. In malaysia obviously chinese was the largest owners of it, and added the word chai which also means cub(small)..

Sorry for being out of topic! :)

patrick

18-08-2006, 07:58 PM

Hey guys, dont we want to do something for this police Constable Naissam ? Perhaps we should raise some donation at the next TT and OrchiPD can give it on behalf of the residents. And make sure the press are there. Not so much to publicise our OrchiPD but to let the crooks know that the community is standing behind our cops, and to keep our cops motivated at their work.

Rgds.

orchipalar

22-08-2006, 05:13 PM

Hey guys, dont we want to do something for this police Constable Naissam ? Perhaps we should raise some donation at the next TT and OrchiPD can give it on behalf of the residents. ...to let the crooks know that the community is standing behind our cops, and to keep our cops motivated at their work.Err dear Pat:)...that be a better idea...n lets work on it...

Ahem...just wondering how many parents these days would encourage their childrens to become policemen...n policewomen...?

kokomo

22-08-2006, 05:20 PM

Err dear Pat:)...that be a better idea...n lets work on it...

Ahem...just wondering how many parents these days would encourage their childrens to become policemen...n policewomen...?

Let's put aside the children. Now asked the adults, how many of you would wanna become policemen? Or even just a volunteery enforcer? Percentage is close to zero perhaps.

Adults don't show/lead a good example of community here, do you think the children will have such mindset to be a policemen? Parents will always take their kids as precious and won't want anything to happen to them. Am I right?

pcyeoh

22-08-2006, 06:14 PM

First of all, we have to reformat our kids' perception of the policeman as all his life we parents have been scaring them how the policeman will 'catch' them. The kids definitely won't want to take up this job as he knows he will have his hand full with 'problematic' children he is supposed to 'catch.' We parents don't tell them what happen after the police 'catch' them so the kids will say "Dad, what am I supposed to do with those dammed kids?" Then just recently there was a survey about corruption and to our surprise, majority of our teenagers says they will not hesitate to bribe their way through. Our kids when they reached that level will have a conflicting complex. He will say next, "Here you teach me to be honest and other values in life and when I become a policeman, I will be so tempted - makan pun ada problem, tak makan pun ada problem. I think I rather be lawyer." End of story.

patrick

23-08-2006, 05:37 PM

Let's put aside the children. Now asked the adults, how many of you would wanna become policemen? Or even just a volunteery enforcer? Percentage is close to zero perhaps.

Adults don't show/lead a good example of community here, do you think the children will have such mindset to be a policemen? Parents will always take their kids as precious and won't want anything to happen to them. Am I right?

Kokomo, sorry but I cant be included in your stats. I no longer qualify to be a PVR but IF they are still prepared to take me in, I am game. I'm certainly not hardup for the small $. They dont even need to pay me if they cant afford to. And I am sure there are more than just me out there. So, sorry lah....your stats tak boleh pakai!

kokomo

23-08-2006, 05:47 PM

Kokomo, sorry but I cant be included in your stats. I no longer qualify to be a PVR but IF they are still prepared to take me in, I am game. I'm certainly not hardup for the small $. They dont even need to pay me if they cant afford to. And I am sure there are more than just me out there. So, sorry lah....your stats tak boleh pakai!

Pat, that small $ is more like a token of appreciation or $ minum petang. Haha .. anyway, no longer qualify or over qualify doesn't matter as long the will is there. Can always set up our own whole of USJ/SJ community to do rounds, volunteery work also. Do you think is a good idea?

patrick

23-08-2006, 06:25 PM

Pat, ...........Haha .. anyway, no longer qualify or over qualify doesn't matter as long the will is there. Can always set up our own whole of USJ/SJ community to do rounds, volunteery work also. Do you think is a good idea?

That is more or less the direction I believe we should head. Idea..idea....idea...

Teeque

24-08-2006, 01:38 AM

kokomo, pat,

i did hv an idea b4 but no one really bothered too much abt it. see below:

It is time we, the residents and the community, fight back. WE must strike fear into these criminal terrorists and strike them out of our community. They have their organized crime. We will have our own....

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/MYraf/USJ/SOCBAC2.jpg

Headed by our very own 'OCPD' Orchi.

Tools of trade will be baseball bats. The M.O. of the club members are that the batters needs target practice sessions. Some patrolling may be required to seek out targets. No experience needed for batting practice and training will be provided. Actively recruiting now and all residents are invited to join voluntarily. Membership is free.

Pls pitch in your support here:
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:rolleyes:

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=162242&postcount=131

kokomo

24-08-2006, 02:54 AM

That is more or less the direction I believe we should head. Idea..idea....idea...

Pat, teeque ... so you guys actually agree on this campaign? Crime Buster .. hehe ... very much like Ghostbusters! :D Am game for it. :cool: Since the incident that my home, my family and I personally experience it. I really wanna put a stop to this. Been gettin' sleepless nite since then.

As long as the community here works together to fight crime .. I bet can do a better job then the enforcer. There are baseball bats, stunner, baton & so many objects we can use. No guns only! If some of you are good wif sumpit, you guys can be the sniper. Hehe .. :D

So the list to join Crimebuster as set by teeque ..

1. Teeque
2. Patrick
3. Kokomo
4. TinkerFY
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Please feel free to fill up the list if you're really interested and care for our neighbourhood & our own family.

patrick

24-08-2006, 03:02 PM

Eeehhh??!!!! How come my name already appear in the Crime Busters List?? Wah....simply taroh me in huh? Anyway...thanks, whoever that was. Save me the hassle!! Ha ha... ;-)

Ahh..Captain Tee..when is our first marching drill? Followed up by a dummy bashing drill with batons? ;-)

patrick

24-08-2006, 03:22 PM

orchipalar

24-08-2006, 03:42 PM

Err...if anyone wishes to be a member of PVR(Police Volunteer Reserve) atau Sukarelawan Polis...please come forward...n Orchi could get the relevant application forms from the PDRM for the purpose...

SYARAT PERMOHONAN

Bagi menyertai pasukan ini, seseorang pemohon itu perlulah memenuhi syarat-syarat berikut :-

Taraf Kewarganegaraan

Warganegara Malaysia

Umur

Tidak kurang daripada 18 tahun dan tidak melebihi 40 tahun

Ukuran badan

Lelaki - Tinggi 162cm (5' 4"). Lilitan dada 81cm/86cm (32"/34"). Berat badan 48kg.

Wanita - Tinggi 152cm (5'). Berat badan 43kg

Penglihatan & Pendengaran

Mempunyai penglihatan biasa dan pendengaran yang baik

Kelulusan Akademik

Sekurang-kurangnya lulus SRP/LCE Pangkat A/B atau Pangkat C bagi tahun 1969 dan sebelumnya atau setaraf dengannya (salinan sijil hendaklah disertakan)

Lain-lain kelayakan

1. Mempunyai pekerjaan tetap

2. Mendapat kebenaran Ketua Jabatan/Majikan untuk masuk berkhidmat

3. Bermastautin di dalam lingkungan 18km dari balai polis daerah yang dipohon

4. Bersih dari sebarang rekod Jenayah/Cawangan Khas

5. Tidak menjadi ahli/anggota lain-lain badan beruniform yang boleh dikerah tenaga di dalam keadaan darurat

6. Pekerja-pekerja dari kumpulan 'key personnel' seperti hospital, TNB, Telekom, pengawal keselamatan (Badan Berkanun/Kerajaan/Swasta) tidak layak memohon

http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/sukarelawan/sp.htm

tupai

24-08-2006, 03:53 PM

Ok...on a more serious note. Captain Tee, I think once we have some serious number of people, perhaps we should seek out Inspector Shan and let us sit down and have a serious chat with him to see what we can do. Views please?

SS14 NW has a decent size group. The yellow-vested members there took turns to patrol their neighbourhood. They armed themselves with sticks\ (to chase away aggressive strays + possible idiotic thieves), congrgate at a coimmon area then do their rounds everynite. The SS17 statistics wil show a drastic drop in crime committed at night..but there are still rampany snatch thieveries in rush &day light hrs...

My area is heading that similar way to start our own ronda amgst volunteers...once i develop thick enuff elephant hide to continue knocking on strange doors meeting even stranger neighbors:D

Yang Akan Beronda lato tupai