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sirgalahad2010
02-08-2006, 04:52 PM
So says a report in today's Spore Business Times (http://business-times.asia1.com.sg)

It seems that AirAsia has submitted a proposal to the Msian govt to fly from the LCT at KLIA to the Budget Terminal at Changi.

If this were to be approved by both the Msian and Spore govts under the bilateral air services agreement, then one of the Spore-based budget airlines, such as Tiger Airways, would also be allowed to operate on the Spore-KL route.

If I had to hazard a guess, I would think that Tony F is striking a pre-emptive blow against the proposed KL-Spore bullet train. Of course, Tony, being the kind-hearted soul that he is, wouldn't dream of doing such a thing! :D

I mean, if one can fly from Spore to KL for under S$50 one-way, why would one bother to take a bullet train with fares likely north of S$200 one-way?

Tony F vs Francis Yeoh! 2 well-connected businessmen. Let the games begin! :D

wsl
02-08-2006, 06:23 PM
It is unlikely the Malaysian or the Singaporean government will allow AA or TA to participate in this sector. Both MAS and SA will definitely opposed this proposal because this sector is very lucrative to both parties. :( :( :(

sirgalahad2010
03-08-2006, 08:58 AM
It was reported in the Spore TODAY newspaper (www.todayonline.com) that "Tiger Airways, the budget carrier co-owned by SIA, informed the Spore Govt yesterday of its desire to get a bite of the Spore-KL route".

It looks as though competition is coming on the KL-Spore-KL route, regardless of what MAS and SIA may think.

Tiger Air said that it would be able to offer fares on the Spore-KL route "comparable to travel by coach" (currently, coaches charge S$35-45 for a one-way trip that takes around 5 hours).

SIA and MAS now operate 182 of the 213 flights between Spore & KL.

sirgalahad2010
03-08-2006, 08:59 AM
Sorry, it should read "SIA and MAS now operate 182 of the 213 flights a week between Spore and KL."

dragonfly
03-08-2006, 06:32 PM
Singapore govt will agree to AirAsia flying to LCT Spore........provided Tiger Airways is allowed to fly to LCT KL and other cities within Malaysia. Remember, AirAsia was denied even a permit to operate a coach service from Senai to Spore!. Fairplay in Spore's term means.......you win some and I win all!!!!

AllUrban
03-08-2006, 07:12 PM
Tiger Air said that it would be able to offer fares on the Spore-KL route "comparable to travel by coach" (currently, coaches charge S$35-45 for a one-way trip that takes around 5 hours).
That will probably be the cost of the air ticket fare alone.

Add in the cost to get to the LCCT or airport (RM35-50 in KL, up to SGD?)
Add in the cost of the airport taxes
Add in the time spent in immigration
Add in the time to get to the airport
Add in the wait time at the airport
Add in the inevitable delays to the low cost airlines as the day progresses
While we're at it, add in the cost of the pollution from the airplane, to the general health of the population.

Suddenly the cost of a tiger airways ticket is far greater than the cost of the coach...of course, for some people that cost is still reasonable because their time is worth the money.

As Ive said before, I dont think this high-speed train will make it past Johor Baru for many many years....it just doesnt seem feasible....

But if it is put in place, the train will be the best choice overall.

Cheers, m

sirgalahad2010
04-08-2006, 12:36 PM
I would agree with you. The train would be a better way to go IF the fares are reasonable and IF the 2 govts can sort out the customs and immigration formalities.

It would be nice to take a morning train to KL, do my work and have my fix of roti canai/teh tarek (much better that what's available in Spore) and take the evening train back to Spore. It could be a whole new lifestyle for a lot of Msians and Sporeans. :)

Politics being what it is, and given the perpetual one-upmanship between Spore and Msia, I don't think that the budget carriers are going to be allowed on the KL-Spore-KL route anytime soon. For Spore, its all about getting more passengers into Changi to further consolidate its regional hub status. And there's no way that Msia would consciously let that happen (even if the govt has no long-term game plan for KLIA). :(

idolfan
04-08-2006, 03:35 PM
Singapore govt will agree to AirAsia flying to LCT Spore........provided Tiger Airways is allowed to fly to LCT KL and other cities within Malaysia. Remember, AirAsia was denied even a permit to operate a coach service from Senai to Spore!. Fairplay in Spore's term means.......you win some and I win all!!!!

err, dragonfly, what is your proposal for S'pore ?

allow Airasia to fly from major cities in m'sia to changi .. but only allow Tiger to fly from changi to klia ? you expect them to agree to that ?

sirgalahad2010
04-08-2006, 04:33 PM
Spore is a city-state with one airport, Changi (Seletar doesn't count). Malaysia has a number of airports - KLIA, Penang, Senai, Kota Kinabalu and Kuching.

Is it fair for Spore to expect one-to-many reciprocity? Spore would dearly love to have unlimited flights to the major Msian airports.

Does Msia have to acquiesce to Spore's determination to maintain regional hub status for Changi?

dragonfly
04-08-2006, 05:20 PM
allow Airasia to fly from major cities in m'sia to changi .. but only allow Tiger to fly from changi to klia ? you expect them to agree to that ?

Win-win situation will be both AirAsia and Tiger to fly LCT KL -- LCT Spore route.Knowing Spore, they will always demand more concessions from us...like the rights to fly any destinations in Malaysia.... as a precondition to approve any request from AirAsia!!

alexhay
04-08-2006, 06:20 PM
i dont think that this will take place. if Air Asia starts flying to Singapore...imagine the price is RM0.99 + tax should be around 20, so its RM20.99...cheaper than taking a bus..even Air Asia make it as a Flat rate at RM149.00 or RM99.00, sure MAS business will drop tremendously...

Sentinel
04-08-2006, 11:56 PM
i dont think that this will take place. if Air Asia starts flying to Singapore...imagine the price is RM0.99 + tax should be around 20, so its RM20.99...cheaper than taking a bus..even Air Asia make it as a Flat rate at RM149.00 or RM99.00, sure MAS business will drop tremendously...

Not just MAS, but SIA business on this lucrative sector will suffer too. BUT I think the M'sian government is also concerned with those coaches plying KL-Singapore as these bus licences are normally issued to "party supporters" of the ruling coalition.... get the drift? :rolleyes:

CS Chua
05-08-2006, 12:09 PM
AA adds administrative and fuel charges which can be more than the air fares. I do not think the total fare can be less than RM100 from the LCCT to Changi Airport. Assuming that it is RM100 for AA flights and RM200 for the bullet train, it is still worthwhile to take the train, as pointed out by Allurban.

For example, if the flight leaves at 2 pm, it will reach Changi Airport by 3 pm. However you will need to be at the airport at around 12.30 pm. If you are staying near KL, like Wangsa Maju, Selayang, Kepong, you will need to leave the house at 11.30 am, assuming that you take one hour to reach the LCCT. Therefore, leaving the house at 11.30 am, it takes at least 3.5 hours to reach Singapore by 3 pm.

Compare that to the train leaving at 12 noon. You leave the house at 11.30 am, take the train at Sentral at noon and arrive in Singapore at 1.30 pm - half an hour before the flight even take off!

And do not forget the taxi fares to the airport, to and fro, which is very costly.

I will take the train anytime if it can get there by 90 minutes as promised.