Back lane grill

[christine lee]

Hi, I'm a new member. I am looking for information on installing grills for our back lane in USJ 3. We are trying to source for reliable people to install our backlanr grills for us. Can anyone help by giving us a few contacts to get some quotations? My neighbour complained that the quotatation we have now is expensive so i am trying to source for more.

Thanks

Christine

[kwchang]

Christine, I hope you have gotten an approval in writing from MPSJ? I understand that it is practically impossible to get Jabatan Bomba to agree due to concerns about escape routes in time of fire.

[pcyeoh]

1. Before you embark on anything, conduct a poll to gauge the residents response. You have to confine to the location rather than the community. If the grilles erected involved only two rows of houses say 100, you must have more than 50 % agreement. I heard the percentage is now increased to 70%. Please check with them before you submit your application. Ask them for any latest guideline in view of the problem faced by Alam Flora who siad in the press that they don't know who is keeping the key. They thought there is only one joker who has the key!! Since you are not forcing everyone to pay, I suggest you structure your question into two portions.

a) Are you agreeable that our backlanes are fenced up for security reason to prevent break in? If more than 50%, you can go ahead. But all this must be documented. No verbal.

b) Are you prepared to share cost? (an average grille is RM 1,500 and you need at least two. To be seen as transparent, ask the residents for recommended contractors and get 3-5 quotes. The residents will be most happy if the contractor is familiar to them rather than one that dropped down from the sky.

Replies to Question (b) is irrelevant to MPSJ but impt to you to find out the viabilty. If this response is poor (expect not more than 60% to say yes) then it will be a burden to the rest of the group. My neighbourhood did one last year and it averagely cost per house RM 130.00 for the two gates costing RM 1,250 each. You have to do a lot of convincing and persuaion. Try to involve a person staying in that road to help. You get a better response as they trust their own neighbours. Those who refused to pay must also be given a set of keys. This is the condition MPSJ will impose on you.

2. There is no standard imposed by MPSJ on the type and design of the grille. Once you reached the number of people who say YES, then go to MPSJ and get the form from them.

3. If you can approach your JKP to get their support and endorsement to your application, it will be even better.

[christine lee]

Thanks for the info. According to my neighbour, it is still 50%. We have at least this no in agreement. We have submitted application to MPSJ but to date no reply yet. It has been awhile.

[pcyeoh]

You need to chase them often. That is what my friend did. If you have problem, pm me.

[christine lee]

Someone suggested to go ahead with the grill first. Is it advisable?

[harmitk]

I read with interest the above as the people in my row in USJ 2/5K are proposing this and believe have more than 50% in agreement. As my house is a small corner lot the grill will be outside my house. That's not too bad but my backyard at the side end of the house will also have to be fenced up - as high as 2 1/2 feet of grill above my wall. My concern is :-

1. I will feel jailed in as I will be looking at a set of grills.
2. I want to know from residents who already have grills along their back lanes has this measure actually worked?
3. How much of a bother is this measure when it comes to Indah water, MPSJ etc wanting to access the backlanes.
4. Being an end lot will I become a gatekeeper for the lane?

Can someone please respond as I have to make a decision fairly soon. Thank you.

Harmit

[pcyeoh]

Someone suggested to go ahead with the grill first. Is it advisable?
What's the hurry? If what you did is non compliance who will bear responsibility? Since you have waited 10 years, what is another 3 months or so?

[pcyeoh]

1. I will feel jailed in as I will be looking at a set of grills.
2. I want to know from residents who already have grills along their back lanes has this measure actually worked?
3. How much of a bother is this measure when it comes to Indah water, MPSJ etc wanting to access the backlanes.
4. Being an end lot will I become a gatekeeper for the lane?

Can someone please respond as I have to make a decision fairly soon. Thank you.

Harmit
1. Eventually you will get use to it. Make sure that it is tastefully done and not like those in Pudu Jail that gives you the 'jailing' feeling.

2. Look at this this way. If you are a house breaker and come acoss this backlane with this iron grille that needs extra effort to break in or break out, why choose to do so when you could easily move on to the next backlane and have your pick? Though we have no statistic to prove its effectiveness, common sense will tell you that it definitely deters would be house breaker. It also function to keep off strangers from taking short cut through your backlane and infringe onto your privacy.

3. It is very seldom that the service provider need to access your backlane. For the last 10 years, I have yet to see a IWK service personnel in my backlane. Most likely I can expect Telekom men having to fix new lines or repair them. And usually they are summoned by those who needed their services and most probably they will be the ones attending to the TM men. Even that how often do you see the Telekom men? In any case, these service providers are aware that they can get the keys to the gate from any of the houses in that row.

4. Well, you being an end lot resident, it will be most convenient for the service provider to seek your help to open the gate now and then. Take this as performing national service. But look at the brighter side. If you provide good service, these service providers will bestow upon you a JP title but just don't tell your friends that it stands for Jaga Pintu!!

[gtl]

harmit, i wud like to add to what PC says, whereby i hope end lot and corner lot residence do not feels that the backlane gates are useless for them, it is not. most houses are broken into thru the back, so by having the gates, your property wud be protected too.

and for a thief, he will move on to an easier target when they see the back lane is gated. be a happy neighbour and help to keep the neighbourhood safe.

thank you.

[MOYSC]

Backlane iron gates is a good deterrent against strangers taking short cuts in our backlanes & can also prevent stray dogs too. Realistically, it will only provide little protection against house break-ins due to the following fact :

Local council regulations for end/corner lot fencing height is no more than 5 ft. However, most backlane iron gates hv a height of approx. 8ft.

Wouldn't it be easier to climb through the fence than the gate in the event if someone wants to commit a house break-in?

However, the scenario would be different if neighbours could agree in putting a guard dog near the iron gates. Hv seen this effectively implemented in Kota Kemuning but someone must be responsible for the gate & the dog in the event when authorities need to access the backlanes. :)