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Celestine11
27-07-2006, 04:43 PM
I would like to say hello and introduce myself to all forum members at USJ. I am thinking of moving to Malaysia in Jan. 2007 and I hope that I can be and active member of this community.

I'm actually thinking of securing a position at Taylor's College and I was told by another member (Vixey) that I would be able to meet people who know about the school and work there.

So if you know about the school please <strike>go to the general discussion forum and</strike> reply to my post.

Cheers.

( Admin note - I have merged two threads into one )

Vixey
27-07-2006, 04:46 PM
Hi Celestine,

Welcome to the Forum. :)

And I am looking forward to welcoming you to our neighbourhood as well.

Please feel free to ask as many questions you want on living, housing, work, transportation etc.

Cheers,
Vixey

Celestine11
27-07-2006, 04:54 PM
Hello,

I was offered a position at Taylor's college and I was hoping someone would tell me a little about this school and about living in Subang.

just some info to consider:

Married or Single: Married
Will spouse work: No
How many Kids: First child to be born in March 2007
Do you need Expat Schools: No
Country you are coming from (Tax purposes): Canada
Bills you still have to pay in home country: None
Type of car you want: Cheap, to get me from point A-B
Apartment/House/Condo: Any, as long as its good and fully furnished
How many rooms: 2
Niceties you need in your home (broadband, air con, location, western style, etc): The full works.


I think this info will help you when answering my question about living in Malaysia.

Thank you in advance

Celestine11
27-07-2006, 05:03 PM
seriously Vixey is 7500/m a bad salary. Can I do better at other international schools? what other salary figures have you heard of? Am I really selling myself short as others are suggesting?

trex92
27-07-2006, 05:29 PM
hi celest,

i think 7500 a month is pretty ok if u r a local. U can live pretty comfortable with that salary, but as u mentioned in ur other thread, since ur wife would not be working i think u should consider to negotiate for a higher salary and especially since u r an expatriate and might expect to return back to canada one day, the foreign exchange rate would reduce that amount considerably when u take it back as savings.

lynndhia
27-07-2006, 05:39 PM
with 7.5k a month u can live pretty comfortably if ur requirements r only as such.

is taylors offering u the job on a contract basis? if so, how many years?

Celestine11
27-07-2006, 05:45 PM
what do teachers at international schools usually make?

Celestine11
27-07-2006, 05:46 PM
Its a one year contract

orchipalar
27-07-2006, 06:38 PM
Err...welcome to Usj.com.my webforum Celestine:)...how much could you get teaching schools in your homeland Korea...?

Celestine11
27-07-2006, 06:55 PM
actually my home land is Canada and as a certified teacher I would start at 45000 canadian per year. But I would have to pay alot of tax on that (37%).
right now I make considerably more teaching EFL in Korea but I'm not getting the international school experience that is valued by high end international schools.

So the opportunity to gain that type of experience is the main reason why I wnat to come to Taylor's but I also don't want to sell myself short too much.

What I mean by that is if international teachers only make 1-3k more per month maximum compared to me then its not that bad but if international schools teachers are making 15-20 per month than I rather stay in Korea and just focus on making money and worry about the experience when it time to go home and get a job back home. You know what I mean?

Joe Gomez
27-07-2006, 06:57 PM
There will be protests held in Bandar Sunway against the new Taylors College Lakeside Campus that is planned. So you are assured of some very exciting times ahead ( besides academic ones ;) ) ......... pls look us up when you are here ........... at our regular TT sessions ( for forumers ) I mean on the 1st Friday of every month :D

orchipalar
27-07-2006, 07:01 PM
Err...dear Celestine:)...we have among the forumers...a teacher from Canada also...he might offer you with some suggestion as soon as he sees your postings...

If ya don' mind Orchi asking...how much you make in Korea now? IF you are making a lot more...why come to Taylor with 1 year contract only in hand...heheh...squeeze more from them ya...:D

Ahem...depending on your prior teaching experience(assuming not much by yr age)...over here...ya won't get a lot...

CS Chua
27-07-2006, 07:05 PM
Taylor's College has courses outside of Subang Jaya. The Leisure Mall is where they have the Mass Communications classes. Are you sure you will be at the SS15 campus? I assume you will want to stay near your working place so knowing where your classes are will help a lot.

Celestine11
27-07-2006, 07:47 PM
Yes, pretty sure. That's the only place they have the Canadian program and they told me that most teachers live in ss17 lafeta apt.

Celestine11
27-07-2006, 07:53 PM
I make substantially more, about 6500 USD/month, but both my wife and I are working and together that's what we make. I can easily save 5k and do most months. however, in about 5 months my wife is gonna quit so she can take care of our new born so that will bring the total to about 3000 USD/m.

The primary reason why I'm thinking of accepting the position and coming over is to gain the international school experience that Taylor's would offer me. So I thought that eventhough I make a 1000 less per month I make up for it in valuable experience.

CS Chua
27-07-2006, 09:12 PM
If you use Goggle Earth, you will be able to see Subang Jaya. That SS17 apartments are pretty decent but not the best around. It also depends on whether you prefer houses or apartments. Double storey houses around SS14 and SS17 are around RM850 - RM1,500 depending on the type of furnishing or lack of it. They usually have 4 rooms and 3 bathrooms. Houses in SS15 cost more but they are very convenient as you do not have to drive to the college. It is very popular with the students so I guess you will have to see them all the time if you live near them.

New cars are still pricey in Malaysia but it is a very good time to buy used cars as they have dropped substantially.

You can easily get a live-in maid who will do everything for you, including washing your car and that is why a lot of expatriates cannot return home. Not that they do not want to, but their wives would not allow them. Back home they have to do all the house chores but here, they live like queens so it is easy street for them. :D

charis14
27-07-2006, 11:00 PM
with 7.5k a month u can live pretty comfortably if ur requirements r only as such...Er... I think 7.5k will only "get you by", after tax. Since your wife is also coming, you may have to consider the definition of "the full works". A reasonable "expat-grade" fully furnished apartment will cost RM3k to RM4k per month. Other items, except NEW vehicles, are cheap.

kwchang
27-07-2006, 11:55 PM
Let us look at the cost of living. I believe in Korea, it is very expensive.

In Malaysia, 7.5K Ringgit per month per family is reasonably comfortable in the Klang Valley. It actualy is dependant on your lifestyle. I would believe that sum is too small for an experienced expatriat. If you were to be in the less urbanised areas, that amount can be a big sum.

Furthermore, a contract job of one year should actually pay more.

You may like to consult fellow expatriates in their own forum - here (http://www.alloexpat.com/malaysia_expat_forum/)

Vixey
28-07-2006, 03:20 AM
Err..Chang...that an expatriate board is where I know Celestine from. :D When he mentioned Taylor's and about living in SJ, I directed him over here. Now you sending him back there..hehe hehe :p

See, the expats on that board, live mainly in the "expat" area and are on higher expat packages. Most were not giving him the answers that he was looking for. Answers which I believe Subang Jayans would be more accurate in helping him with.

Also, I was thinking our friend AllUrban, might be able to help out a fellow country man better.

Celestine, with regards to your question on salary. Yes, I do think its on the lower end, considering that you are married and with a baby on the way. Have you considered applying to other international schools in KL ? I know one that has recently advertised for teachers but under British curriculum. I know recently a single Kiwi teacher was getting 7k but housing was provided. This is not in Taylor's though. Elsewhere.

I would suggest asking your soon-to-be boss to reevaluate your package to include housing and car allowance at least.

Teeque
28-07-2006, 04:54 AM
over to u, all urban....

JSnuka
28-07-2006, 08:16 AM
There will be protests held in Bandar Sunway against the new Taylors College Lakeside Campus that is planned.

Joe, what are the protests about? If I'm not mistaken, the new Taylor's campus will be near the Lagoon Perdana apartments? Didn't know it's besides a lake:confused:

Celestine11
28-07-2006, 09:34 AM
I just got in contact with a couple of teachers in the same programs and gave them a list of the questions I have. They both informed me that they will get back to me on the weekend. So, I will wait and talk to them and then post the results on
monday.

Cheers

PJS
28-07-2006, 09:54 AM
In all honesty, in my years of experience in the corporate world, RM7.5K for an expat with a family is a rip off.

I don't know exactly what is the private colleges payscale in Subang Jaya but if what I heard from friends is true, I'd say the local lecturers are already getting that much, if not more.

For a 1 yr contract they shd be offering u return air tickets for the family, full medical for the family, some sort of education allowance for the kids(if u hv any school going kids), housing and transport allowances. I'd say anything less than Rm15-20K(all inclusive) is way baadd... If they r providing all the benefits mentioned above in kind then maybe cash remuneration of slightly more than 7.5K may sound reasonable. It's not that the college can't pay, but someone must not have done their homework in preparing the offer letter to u, or they must've given u the local package and ask u to take it or leave it. Or is the lecturer job market REALLY that bad???

To get someone from Canada to come to teach a Canadian program, they'd better be prepared to pay u much more than your previous C$45K salary back home. Otherwise they might as well hire a local.

Your family will be suffering on that RM7500 salary even if there is no tax deductions whatsoever. Believe me, it ain't that cheap for a family to live in Subang jaya, especially when u hv to pay for fully furnished housing.

CS Chua
28-07-2006, 10:00 AM
The international school in Vientienne, Laos, is paying about US$2,500.00 for an English teacher. That is more than RM9,000.00 The cost of living is considerably lower in Vientienne but it is known as the dullest capital in the whole world. Good for family life though. Very nice and friendly people. And excellent Chinese and Vietnamese food. I do not know whether there is any vacancy currently but you can always give them a call.

VeeJay
28-07-2006, 10:02 AM
I would agree with PJS here...

ANyway, similar discussion were also done here...
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=33395

All the best!

PJS
28-07-2006, 10:23 AM
I would agree with PJS here...

ANyway, similar discussion were also done here...
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=33395

All the best!

VJ

After reading the link u provided, I'm quite puzzled as to how an expat can live comfortably on RM4000 or RM5000, unless housing is provided by the employer, or they are single and unattached. Unless they lived like the locals at the same income level, then maybe possible....

But that will rule out playing golf regularly like once a week (RM200-300/game in KL, unless they got friends who can drive out of town to cheaper golf courses), a nite out on the town(Rm20per beer, dinner@Rm75/pax, movie, etc ~Rm200 per week?), a short sightseeing trip once a month to Melaka, Penang, etc (RM300-500@trip). Basics like shop for clothing, household items & misc (RM300-500/mth), food (RM600-800month -on the cheap side), public transport/taxi (RM500), accomodation(RM1500 for 1-2 room no frills, fully furnished 2room apmt) utilities, broadband & phone (RM250-300) are unavoidable expenses.

It doesn't really leave much for savings for a family(children wld mean extra expenses), but for singles that would be alrite. If there are additional housing and transport allowances and if they do not go for golf & entertainment then it wld be ok for a family.

Celestine..
On second thought, RM7500 may be a good deal if compared directly to those on RM4-5K salary. (I take back my comment on 'suffering on that salary', :) since you don't have kids but a new born. If you are content with a down to earth lifestyle, then u will do ok here)

Whatever it is, if that is your decision, then I'm sure u can still live with it as others have said. It's just some sacrifices on certain luxuries in life. Good luck. :)

CS Chua
28-07-2006, 01:00 PM
RM7,500 a month is a lot in Malaysia. Period.

It is a matter of life style. For certain life styles, any amount is never enough. But for RM7,500 you can get:

1. A fully furnished condo at the Goodyear Courts for RM1,800.00
2. A live-in maid for RM700 per month (including airfares, agent fees etc)
3. A good used car for RM1,000 (average costs of ownership for petrol, maintenance and repayment)
4. House utilities for about RM500 (Astro, ADSL, electric and water bills)

And you still have RM3,500 for food and other personal expenses. You can eat a lot of noodles and chicken rice for RM3,500 :D

If I am you, I will rent a single storey house in SS14 or SS12 for RM800 a month and forget about the maid since you do not have children. That is a saving of RM1,700 a month. For that sum, you can have a holiday every month.

AllUrban
28-07-2006, 04:54 PM
Hi Celestine11.

Id probably suggest that you don't choose Taylor's College if getting higher pay or an 'expat experience' are your goals...you can look at the International School of KL or the various other schools for that....I personally feel that working at Taylors will give you a better experience of Malaysia

And fyi, ICPU and CIMP (the same Canadian program offered at Sunway University College) are not international schools, they are offshore programs run by private colleges...so the focus of the administration is different from an international school.

Cheers, m

ps. joe gomez, tell me more about the protests. I want to hear both sides. m

Celestine11
28-07-2006, 06:53 PM
Hi AllUrban,

I have been waiting for you to reply. Thank you. I know that 7500/m is above average pay for malaysian standards but not for expats standards. However, a bigger concern that I have is how working at Taylor's college will look on my resume. By that I mean since I would be(technically speaking) not working at an international school but would be teaching the OAC grades and the Ontario curriculum how would it look two years down the line when I decide to apply to an international school.

You see the problem, for me anyways, is that international schools look for a minimum of 2 years teaching experience teaching the subject that they are hiring for. I however, have two years teaching experience in ESL and not history or social studies. This has made it very difficult for me to secure a position at an international school. So I kind of see the opportunity at Taylor's as one where I can get the type of experience that international schools value.

So what do you think, do you know if international schoosl accept the experience gained at taylor's as equivilent?

yvonnefoong
28-07-2006, 09:10 PM
I make substantially more, about 6500 USD/month, but both my wife and I are working and together that's what we make. I can easily save 5k and do most months. however, in about 5 months my wife is gonna quit so she can take care of our new born so that will bring the total to about 3000 USD/m.

The primary reason why I'm thinking of accepting the position and coming over is to gain the international school experience that Taylor's would offer me. So I thought that eventhough I make a 1000 less per month I make up for it in valuable experience.

Celestine, this is what i thought right from the start when reading this threat. I know people from US, canada or any other first world countries are not entirely money driven and I doubt you are as well. RM7,500 sounds ok to me. That is far above the average income in Malaysia. Lawyers only earn about RM3k-RM5k working for someone if they are experienced.

Do come here for the experience of working in Malaysia. You will surely get to understand more about our society, economic system, and political circus. These experiences would be most beneficial to your work as a teacher. It's invaluable!

tupai
28-07-2006, 10:59 PM
Sorry to pour cold water unto you...Monetary, you are better off teach EFL in a non-english speaking country like korea or laos or japan.

just TTMAR (Take The Money And Run) and come to malaysia to spend it...where cost of holidaying is cheaper than korea, japan and even laos (quoted in US$).

I work in Msia but holiday in thailand, the land of smiles...where the cost of holidaying is even cheaper and the food Aroi Mak Mak! :D

Yes And Best to holiday north lato tupai

lonewolf8
29-07-2006, 12:05 AM
Do take note of the Malaysia taxation aspect too. Accomodation, food, travelling, etc should be considered from the point of net pay after tax.

Cheers

AllUrban
29-07-2006, 04:19 PM
So what do you think, do you know if international schoosl accept the experience gained at taylor's as equivilent?Sorry, I actually dont know.Ive never worked at an International School.The only thing I can say is that if your future plans are to work at another international school, it would probably be useful to consider working here for two years before moving on....even if that means sticking it out....since most international school contracts are for 2 years.

Because the lower pay makes it a challenge to get and retain teachers at Taylor's, they offer renewable 1 year contracts and emphasize the lower cost of living and the numerous travel opportunities...see www.airasia.com to see what I mean

Personally, I renewed my contract for 1 year as it would look better on my resume. I will probably stay another year because, as someone has said here, I really love Malaysia.

Cheers, m

ps. if you choose to come to Malaysia, you will find it to be a very welcoming country

pps. you have probably done the right thing in many ways by finding this forum

mYa

jc86
31-07-2006, 09:17 PM
i study at taylor's college .. not under the canadian programme though ..

actually i believe 7500 is a fair pay in this case .. coz u have not stated that u have previous experience in tertiary education nor have u mentioned having say, a Master's qualification ... u gotta also understand the CPU programme is a foundation programme .. Someone said earlier that taylor's havent done their homework when offering u your salary package .. Though i believe that amount is considerably low for a Canadian lecturer ... unless you have had years of experience teaching in Canada at tertiary level on your resume, its unlikely taylors is gonna give u 15k-20k per month in my opinion ...

Besides, cost of living in Malaysia is real cheap if u are a money-saver .. i mean if u really wana save ,, its not too difficult

Oh yeah .. and also .. u can earn more money on the side giving tuition or teaching part-time somewher else ... if i;m not wrong .. CPU's hours are usually from 9-3 .. Tuition - thats wher the money is in Klang Valley ..

Err .... taylors education group has an international school too .. Garden International school .. u can check it out .. i think you should be able to get a better offer ther

Celestine11
01-08-2006, 08:35 AM
Thanks jc86,

I'm starting to slowly get a picture of Taylor's and the benefits being offered by them and in general. I'm still waiting to hear from a person that I emailes that works there to get a better idea of the employer-employee relationship. I'll keep you guys posted.

Cheers