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sirgalahad2010
05-07-2006, 09:00 AM
That's if YTL's Francis Yeoh swings a deal with the Msian and Spore govts to build and operate a high-speed rail link from KL to Spore (Spore Straits Times, http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg).

That would be wonderful, if it ever happens. I wouldn't mind travelling from downtown Spore to KL Sentral in 2 hours. No need to bother about Changi, KLIA, SIA or MAS! :D

burntan
05-07-2006, 12:24 PM
That's if YTL's Francis Yeoh swings a deal with the Msian and Spore govts to build and operate a high-speed rail link from KL to Spore (Spore Straits Times, http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg).

That would be wonderful, if it ever happens. I wouldn't mind travelling from downtown Spore to KL Sentral in 2 hours. No need to bother about Changi, KLIA, SIA or MAS! :D

If the fare is reasonable, I may even consider to go down Ochard Road to tea time and come back the same day :)

wAISEKMAo
05-07-2006, 12:32 PM
If the fare is reasonable, I may even consider to go down Ochard Road to tea time and come back the same day :)

Me too. I go down to singapore once/twice every month. It's tiring to drive 4-5 hours from singapore back to sj. I definitely support this plan.

ericchan
05-07-2006, 03:55 PM
If this materialses then it would be a boom for Malaysian economy. Anyway i doubt Singapore wiill favour and support this project.

yankeat
05-07-2006, 04:03 PM
If we consider 20 years for them to recoup the 8 billion investment, with no bank interest taken into calculation, RM200 a ticket one way, they will have to sell 5500 tickets just to break even.

If they count profit, maintenance, bank interest, I wonder how much they have to sell for the ticket just to survive & get back the investments.

xaviers
05-07-2006, 04:27 PM
Bridge problem again ?

AllUrban
05-07-2006, 04:28 PM
Since YTL is already running the ERL, the project would be an extension of the ERL from KLIA to points south.

Ideas are already in place to extend the KLIA transit (limited stop service) to the LCCT...so methinks that along with this they should start slow by extending KLIA Transit beyond the LCCT, to serve Seremban.

Then they can start to think about express services to JB and then perhaps Singapore.

Actually, I hope this spurs the government to think about expanding rail service as well...and bringing back the double-tracking and electrification from Ipoh up to Butterworth and Seremban down to JB.

I also note that YTL is looking for investment from the airlines (SIA and MAS) as well...because this new high speed railway could also become a rail shuttle for MAS and Singapore, (assuming it could be connected to Singapore's Changi Airport).

Of course, the big "if" is this: will the service be able to get into Singpore....and what will the quid pro quo be?

I think an ideal name would be MalayaStar (Bintang Melayu?) which sounds a little like the Eurostar that brought England, France and Belgium closer together.

Cheers, m

CS Chua
05-07-2006, 05:04 PM
yankeat originally posted: If we consider 20 years for them to recoup the 8 billion investment, with no bank interest taken into calculation, RM200 a ticket one way, they will have to sell 5500 tickets just to break even.
Agreed with your figures. So they will have to increase the trips. If each passenger train carries 1,000 people, they will need 3 trips each to exit from Singapore and Kuala Lumpur daily which means 6,000 tickets. One trip each in the morning, afternoon and evening. That will be the minimum.

But it does not have to be 3 trips a day only. The train can run every 4 hours starting at 6 am until 10 pm. That means 5 trips leaving Kuala Lumpur everyday. Including the 5 trips from Singapore, the 10 trips daily make this investment doable. At $200 it is cheaper than flying as there is no cost of transport to and fro the airport and other usual expenses.

And do not forget the cargo wagons. There are plenty of businesses that need fast transport to Singapore and vice versa. Long haul trucks are dead meat if this rail takes off. And so are the shuttle services at KLIA.

BMW9700
05-07-2006, 08:40 PM
That's if YTL's Francis Yeoh swings a deal with the Msian and Spore govts to build and operate a high-speed rail link from KL to Spore (Spore Straits Times, http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg).

That would be wonderful, if it ever happens. I wouldn't mind travelling from downtown Spore to KL Sentral in 2 hours. No need to bother about Changi, KLIA, SIA or MAS! :D



i wonder how will they cross the straits.....if its a bridge following the same level of the existing causeway it will firmly put an end to opening up the straits for navigational traffic..

cskok8
05-07-2006, 09:58 PM
The NST has an article about using magnetic levitation technology for this link. I thought presently it has been used for short (30 to 50 km) stretches only.

Another problem is that so far none of these high speed trains are actually making money (Japanese bullet train, TGV, Eurostar etc), so what makes YTL think they can.

CS Chua
05-07-2006, 10:24 PM
cskok8 originally posted: Another problem is that so far none of these high speed trains are actually making money (Japanese bullet train, TGV, Eurostar etc), so what makes YTL think they can.
They are not making money because of high labor cost, high start up cost and strikes. Our labor and construction cost are lower and there are no strikes. Moreover we have the masses to support such rail project. One million Singaporeans cross into Malaysia every month and that is a very big market.

I took the TGV once and man, was it incredible. And immediately I thought of the same between KL and Singapore but I am not Francis Yeoh. I hope I get to see and use a bullet train in Malaysia in my life time. Let Francis build it. After all it is his money.

USJ27Resident
05-07-2006, 11:10 PM
The NST has an article about using magnetic levitation technology for this link. I thought presently it has been used for short (30 to 50 km) stretches only.

Another problem is that so far none of these high speed trains are actually making money (Japanese bullet train, TGV, Eurostar etc), so what makes YTL think they can.

True... the present distances covered by a maglev system is quite short. like the one that operates on the Shanghai-Pudong stretch which is barely 30kms. But mind you, the speeds that these maglev trains can do is astounding...like in excess of 400kmh dude! - if YTL does go with the maglev tech, you can say goodbye to the express buses, regular trains and even the KL-SIN shuttle flights... :D :p Hurray... no more speeding mad dog bus drivers, at least on the southbound highways...!! Might even see the end of those freight lorries and trucks too....

California is thinking of linking three airport in a 92 mile circuit but they are lobbying for their congress funding... so maybe YTL would lobby for our Govt support too... :p

cskok8
05-07-2006, 11:28 PM
It probably won't be YTL's money. I have a great financing scheme.

Form a subsidiary to undertake the project. Issue bonds guaranteed by the govt to finance the project. Make money from the construction. If it makes a profit well and good. If it does not, then declare bankcrupcy and govt takes over. ;)

clfoo
06-07-2006, 01:15 AM
It probably won't be YTL's money. I have a great financing scheme.
Form a subsidiary to undertake the project. Issue bonds guaranteed by the govt to finance the project. Make money from the construction. If it makes a profit well and good. If it does not, then declare bankcrupcy and govt takes over.

need to do so much work one meh ? just propose, draft the agreement and ask semivalue ppl to sign ... then at the same time pray for singapore rejection .. then hurrah jackpot .... can ask for 8x3=24 billion govt compensation .. give some leeway for govt discount mah, later say no give face, win-win. if somehow no red undy cause bad luck singapore agree to the project, relax no need worry, still got guarantee profit term from govt ... remember the motto got profit privatised got loss public share-share, here doing business like that one mah, toll, IPP, bridge etc also same-same while it's not broken dun fix it why risk reinventing the wheel ?... ... :(

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/53469

Teeque
06-07-2006, 02:50 AM
They are not making money because of high labor cost, high start up cost and strikes. Our labor and construction cost are lower and there are no strikes. Moreover we have the masses to support such rail project. One million Singaporeans cross into Malaysia every month and that is a very big market.....
Huh? U sure the masses in Singapore and KL outdo the masses in Tokyo, London, Paris etc???

sirgalahad2010
06-07-2006, 08:47 AM
I don't think that YTL will use their own funds, or ask for govt financing, if this project gets the ok from the Msian & Spore govts.

Francis Yeoh was reported to have said that YTL plans to take its ERL unit public on the Bursa Msia and that international banks have already expressed interest in financing the project.

I am sure that an experienced businessman like Yeoh will have done his homework first before approaching the Msian govt.

Now, let's wait for the reaction from the proponents of certain "agendas" - you know, the one that says that XX percent of the project should be allocated to YYYYY. That would be the biggest challenge for YTL and Yeoh.

I think that KTM and Mokhtar Al-Bukhary may both throw their hats into the ring and come out with competing proposals for this project. :D

AllUrban
06-07-2006, 01:14 PM
methinks it's only slightly irresponsible of NST to suggest that a maglev technology could be used.....the cost of that would be in the stratosphere...this is a 325 km line, after all!

There are too many questions that need to be answered...for example, will Singapore allow another rail line from Malaysia when they already have issues with the KTM line?

What about the idea that the link would go through the Nusajaya corridor....is there a plan to get to Changi airport? Then how to get to the airport which is on the east side of the island? Would it connect to a new hub that is planned for Jurong West (the plan includes an extension of the East-West Line and a new Jurong west line)

Other things worth mentioning...like the power stations for the electrified line...there would have to be one in Singapore...would they allow it?

How to cross the straits? Tunnel? Bridge? The causeway would be inadequate. What about customs clearance? How would that be taken care of?

Also, high-speed trains are supposed to go from downtown to downtown...that is their only advantage over airplane service...the train stations are "downtown"...But Singapore's train station is not downtown, and not really anywhere near the MRT (although I suppose phase 3 of the Circle line may come close to the train station)....while KL Sentral is hardly in a central location.................

That is why I believe that the line (if built) will get to Seremban first, perhaps to JB, but it is unlikely that it will get to Singapore for a long time.

Cheers, m

ericchan
06-07-2006, 01:18 PM
Wont it be wise to wait for both the Governments approve this project before we decide on anything.

tupai
06-07-2006, 01:22 PM
as the title suggests...KL-Spore in 2 hrs?

It can be done on a bike..a big bike that is. and that includes a refule in Pagoh r&r :p

yang akan banyak pandangan teruk lato tupai

mlkok
06-07-2006, 01:27 PM
When was the last time the Singapore government agreed to anything?
Most likely the project will halt in JB and we'll all have to find means to get across. Heck still reaching the border under 2 hours. After that, you're on your own. :D

sirgalahad2010
06-07-2006, 01:47 PM
No, it won't be easy at all.

Read S Jayasankaran's commentary on this subject ("YTL rail project faces rough ride") in today's Spore Business Times (http://business-times.asia1.com.sg)

What's interesting is the claim that Francis Yeoh has been pushing this project for "some time now, even during the tenure of TDM, but nothing came of it...."

What's even more interesting is the reported comment by a "senior Msian govt official": "This kind of project has multiple ramifications whose impacts aren't known. It will impact both airlines, it will impact the (North South) Highway and it could impact the way people live. Singaporeans could live in KL and vice-versa. There has to be a careful economic impact study conducted."

Imagine - Singaporeans could live in KL and vice-versa! The implications are significant.

And AirAsia won't be happy at all - this project would directly impact its southern hub at JB's Senai Airport.

A lot of players have their fingers in the pie, on both sides of the Causeway! :D

USJ27Resident
07-07-2006, 12:33 AM
A lot of players have their fingers in the pie, on both sides of the Causeway! :D

IMHO... I think the pie is there - just that, most would be wearing on their faces should this project take off, then fail..... :rolleyes: