Lampe Berger News

[BEWARE]

Please do not believe any negative news on Lampe Berger or SYN.

I heard 2 bloggers; antilampeberger and lampebergerhelp have set up a long string of messages and try to extort Steven Yeam and RZ Corporation for some money. They threaten to get the press and minstry to take action against the MLM Company of they don't pay up.

Go ahead. Let us see who has better power.

[youngteenguy]

Please do not believe any negative news on Lampe Berger or SYN.

I heard 2 bloggers; antilampeberger and lampebergerhelp have set up a long string of messages and try to extort Steven Yeam and RZ Corporation for some money. They threaten to get the press and minstry to take action against the MLM Company of they don't pay up.

Go ahead. Let us see who has better power.


bah... coming from a lampe berger user? hmmmm not ammused ;)

[SS19flyover]

this thread will be more exciting than the world cup thread. get your kacang menglembu and carlsburg ready guys.

Stand up for the champion!

[aimless]

Please do not believe any negative news on Lampe Berger or SYN.



personally, i don't need to read any negative news on this product to have a negative impression.........

as someone said... "bah..."

[warning1]

Please do not believe any negative news on Lampe Berger or SYN.

I heard 2 bloggers; antilampeberger and lampebergerhelp have set up a long string of messages and try to extort Steven Yeam and RZ Corporation for some money. They threaten to get the press and minstry to take action against the MLM Company of they don't pay up.

Go ahead. Let us see who has better power.

What have you got to worry ? Unless you know they are very wrong. Hahaha...
By the way, I won't believe they will be so stupid to tell anyone if they are really being extorted.
Use a a better idea to defend.

[orange88]

Please do not believe any negative news on Lampe Berger or SYN.

I heard 2 bloggers; antilampeberger and lampebergerhelp have set up a long string of messages and try to extort Steven Yeam and RZ Corporation for some money. They threaten to get the press and minstry to take action against the MLM Company of they don't pay up.

Go ahead. Let us see who has better power.


looks like you're representing your 'company' to retaliate... lolx
well they dont threaten or extort, thats a very strong word to use and you can get yourself in trouble for it. in the first place if this company doesnt have problems why China Press and Sinchew and TheStar have already posted bad news about the SYN members? oh well... like aimless said, "BAH'

[BEWARE]

looks like you're representing your 'company' to retaliate... lolx
well they dont threaten or extort, thats a very strong word to use and you can get yourself in trouble for it. in the first place if this company doesnt have problems why China Press and Sinchew and TheStar have already posted bad news about the SYN members? oh well... like aimless said, "BAH'

Those 2 bloggers bribed China Press and someone's dad to make up a story because SYN don't pay their demand. That guy already clarified that his father understand and accepted the business now. What you got to say.

Forget your hardwork. No one can afford to pay China Press or the ministry more than SYN. Even MCA is at our mercy. You know that ?

Come to our office and show yourself if you have the guts. Stop sending extortion e-mails to SYN. You make a fool of yourself.(refer to those 2 jokers)

[kwchang]

This has developed into a mud-slinging match.
Warning to all participants - if you do this again in usj dot com, I will ban you for good. That will be no loss to our Forum because the parties concerned are coming online purely to further their own agenda.

This sort of post are going into personal opinions, heresay and stuff that sounds like roumours to me. We should deal with substantiated facts.

[LawrenceX]

To those reading this forum, all I have to say is before joining any of the so-called "business" or MLM, please find all the info on the net as much as you can. Read all the postings from the independent bloggers and forums. Meet up with both parties and listen to what they have to say. Don't just listen to one side saying "all the information on the net is not true". See the facts in the newspaper how infamous DCHL (more famously refered to in its aromatherapy products called Lampe Berger) is.

To BEWARE, I've been reading all your postings in this forum and I would have to say you are an LB member and the one who spread that rumor. Those 2 bloggers (from antilampeberger.blogspot.com and lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com) did NOT extort money. Go read their blogs and see what they said about the rumor.

It's hillarious how good samaritans like them who trouble themselves to warn the people from scams would be willing to do such thing. All the substantiated facts and voiced out opinions from exLB members are inside those 2 blogs. Go see the mathematical calculation (96% of the whole LB network will lose money) and until now none of LB members are able to dispute it.

I'm just so sick with those money-minded people cheating people all the way. Something must be done to stop them. At least now they realize nothing will come easy anymore for them. Generally speaking, this will also apply for other MLM companies.

Please take a look at those aforementioned two blogs. Learn from the mistakes what people have made and see what they have to say. Those reading my posting now, at least you have a chance not to make mistakes. Most people have lost money because they don't have a chance to read, learn and discuss this.

Regards,
Just another good samaritan

[hamidk]

Well said LawrenceX

I believe the tone of BEWARE and the way he talks is not proper. apparently he is threatening orange88 by asking him if he has the gut to go to their office. I don't think this is how it's done in the forums.

Anyway I believe he(BEWARE) is a bit angry and in discussion most of the time anger comes from unability to convince other people and defend the system

hope instead of accusing people of undermining LB he gives sensible reason or defence

[businessman28]

Those 2 bloggers bribed China Press and someone's dad to make up a story because SYN don't pay their demand. That guy already clarified that his father understand and accepted the business now. What you got to say.

Forget your hardwork. No one can afford to pay China Press or the ministry more than SYN. Even MCA is at our mercy. You know that ?

Come to our office and show yourself if you have the guts. Stop sending extortion e-mails to SYN. You make a fool of yourself.(refer to those 2 jokers)

SYN is Global Network Marketing. I very proud to become SYN network. We in Johor are making huge network. Our quality partners range from the bankers, insurance, education, postgraduate, Government & Agency Bodies background...etc...just name it....

The people who failed in LB, think, don't spoit the network market by putting the negative thought about LB. The failure comes from you, not the system itself.

The marketing system works just fine.

LB is a business.

We believe in this business. I'm not forcing anyone out there involve in the business. It's your business and sincere business. You decide.

[hamidk]

I don't beileve it's that sincere,in fact they talk about the business as it's their god, the way they speak about it is like nothing else in this world is better than their system and I really want to know how they brain-wash these people that they are very loyal to the system as if someone question their system is like questioning their pride

I don't really think LB is a business, it's just another one of those scams which sell you "Essential Oil" which is totally useless

[orange88]

SYN is Global Network Marketing. I very proud to become SYN network. We in Johor are making huge network. Our quality partners range from the bankers, insurance, education, postgraduate, Government & Agency Bodies background...etc...just name it....

The people who failed in LB, think, don't spoit the network market by putting the negative thought about LB. The failure comes from you, not the system itself.

The marketing system works just fine.

LB is a business.

We believe in this business. I'm not forcing anyone out there involve in the business. It's your business and sincere business. You decide.

the weird thing about this is how many people do you think can afford to dump a huge lump sum of money nowadays? refer to the economy.
And if it was so good, i'm pretty sure MLM would've made it success hundreds of years ago. Why didnt genius' like albert einstein, donald trump or bill gates himself be involved in MLM?
Why till today the 50 top richest person in the world, I do not see any one of them from an MLM company? If Steven Yeam is really rich, why isnt he in the rank of Malaysia's richest people, but Anandha Krishna is? hmmm...

[hamidk]

I remember once I watched OPRAH talk show, the guest was Donald Trump

she asked him "if you go bankrupt again what would you do?"

he replied: I will start a MLM business, and then all the audiences started to
BOOOOOOOOOO

and then he said: "That's why you are sitting there and I am sitting here"

I believe MLM is a powerful concept,but it has been misused. Unfortunately most of the people can't differentiate MLM from PYRAMID SCHEME,
just go to the website below to see what is the definition of PYRAMID SCHEME

http://www.dsam.org.my/pyramid.html

[orange88]

I remember once I watched OPRAH talk show, the guest was Donald Trump

she asked him "if you go bankrupt again what would you do?"

he replied: I will start a MLM business, and then all the audiences started to
BOOOOOOOOOO

and then he said: "That's why you are sitting there and I am sitting here"

I believe MLM is a powerful concept,but it has been misused. Unfortunately most of the people can't differentiate MLM from PYRAMID SCHEME,
just go to the website below to see what is the definition of PYRAMID SCHEME

http://www.dsam.org.my/pyramid.html

MLM is a good concept and it works, just that we're now trying to combat the piramid scheme in disguise in an MLM format. MLM misused has been proven to be zealous and undermines a country's economy. And over time it is not personally economically viable

[john900]

the weird thing about this is how many people do you think can afford to dump a huge lump sum of money nowadays? refer to the economy.
And if it was so good, i'm pretty sure MLM would've made it success hundreds of years ago. Why didnt genius' like albert einstein, donald trump or bill gates himself be involved in MLM?
Why till today the 50 top richest person in the world, I do not see any one of them from an MLM company? If Steven Yeam is really rich, why isnt he in the rank of Malaysia's richest people, but Anandha Krishna is? hmmm...

well, do you personally know who are the top 50 richest people in the world? and even if u do, are u really sure that NONE, absolutely NONE of them had ANYTHING to do with the MLM industry?

anyway, that's not the point I wanted to make. Yes, true that most people who are the richest may not get their wealth by doing MLM, and that's because they are involved in businesses of billions of dollars! So MLM people may not earn the most, but they are STILL earning quite a lot, don't you agree?

yeah, u may go on and say that only a small fraction of ppl actually earn a lot in MLM, but it's the same in the corporate world. Isn't there only a small fraction of ppl like Tan Sri Lim Goh Tong?

And with the same rationale, AD Steven Yeam is not listed among the richest, but yet we never bragged about him being the richest, did we?

What MLM offers to people like you and me is an opportunity to actually BE someone successful. I may not aspire to be listed among the richest, but I do aspire to be someone inspiring to my friends and family. I work towards MY dreams, and if u have your own way of achieving YOUR dreams, then all the best to you! No one is condeming what you are doing, why condemn what others are doing?

Peace :)

[claws]

What MLM offers to people like you and me is an opportunity to actually BE someone successful. I may not aspire to be listed among the richest, but I do aspire to be someone inspiring to my friends and family. I work towards MY dreams, and if u have your own way of achieving YOUR dreams, then all the best to you! No one is condeming what you are doing, why condemn what others are doing?

Peace :)

Yes, I agree no one should condemn what others are doing, but why so many people do so (toward MLM)??? What the general public don't like about people involve in MLM are the unethical sales tactics using by them. If what they are doing are not disturbing anyone, what they have for people to condemn??

[observer30]

This thread created by BEWARE is a form of PROMOTING LAMPE BERGER for public knowledge. You can keep that by calling your prospect and tricked them to your centre.... :)

Pro LB... DREAMS DREAMS DREAMS, please share your dreams with your family members and make sure each of them spent their 30k if you really want to help them. Otherwise stop being an angel in changing people's life.

[john900]

Yes, I agree no one should condemn what others are doing, but why so many people do so (toward MLM)??? What the general public don't like about people involve in MLM are the unethical sales tactics using by them. If what they are doing are not disturbing anyone, what they have for people to condemn??

And you quote unethical sales tactics ? Yes, I agree to that issue to a certain extent. MLMs in general are criticised a lot, but not ALL companies use unethical sales tactics, you agree? And within the same company, not EVERYONE is doing like that.

So why MLM is always highlighted in a bad way? You have to first understand the power of MLM, and that it can CHANGE normal everyday people like YOU and ME. And when something concerns a lot of people, negativity tends to arise.

Talking about unethical practices, I suppose you couldn't be that naive to think that it doesn't exist in other industries right?

And are MLM people disturbing anyone? Well, is the DVD man that turns up repeatedly at your table when you're trying to have a meal disturbing you? What about the salesman who keeps pressing the doorbell? Or simply those that walk up to you and ask for a donation? YES, MLM people do disturb you, if you would like to put it that way.

[john900]

Pro LB... stop being an angel in changing people's life.

Why, thank you for calling us angels. ;)

Now when you see a blind man trying to cross the road, you simply walk up to him and offer your help. Maybe he's waiting desperately for someone to help him, and there you appear. Or maybe he's not sure whether he could cross the road by himself. Or maybe he doesn't even want to cross the road! But anyway, thanks for offering.

(By the way, you couldn't possibly carry him against his will across the road right? :) )

[orange88]

Why, thank you for calling us angels. ;)

Now when you see a blind man trying to cross the road, you simply walk up to him and offer your help. Maybe he's waiting desperately for someone to help him, and there you appear. Or maybe he's not sure whether he could cross the road by himself. Or maybe he doesn't even want to cross the road! But anyway, thanks for offering.

(By the way, you couldn't possibly carry him against his will across the road right? :) )

stop trying to give someone false hopes... and what exactly is the moral of this story again? lolx

[orange88]

This thread created by BEWARE is a form of PROMOTING LAMPE BERGER for public knowledge. You can keep that by calling your prospect and tricked them to your centre.... :)

Pro LB... DREAMS DREAMS DREAMS, please share your dreams with your family members and make sure each of them spent their 30k if you really want to help them. Otherwise stop being an angel in changing people's life.

well he could be driving a BMW in 6 months time ye know? ;) lolx
but i do not think i would be interested or jealous with his achievements :p

[john900]

well he could be driving a BMW in 6 months time ye know? ;) lolx
but i do not think i would be interested or jealous with his achievements


Oh, finally you have made your point. You are neither interested nor jealous of someone's achievements. Great indeed. I respect that of you, but there ARE people who are interested. If you're not, oh well, what can I say? ;)



stop trying to give someone false hopes... and what exactly is the moral of this story again? lolx


Now don't insult my sincerity when I am offering my help to others, that's kind of offending, don't you think? False hopes? How certain are you that what I offer to others are only false hopes? How sure are you that they won't achieve their DREAMS?

And btw, that story doesn't have a moral value, because YOU interpret it the way you want. Cheers~

[orange88]

Oh, finally you have made your point. You are neither interested nor jealous of someone's achievements. Great indeed. I respect that of you, but there ARE people who are interested. If you're not, oh well, what can I say? ;)



Now don't insult my sincerity when I am offering my help to others, that's kind of offending, don't you think? False hopes? How certain are you that what I offer to others are only false hopes? How sure are you that they won't achieve their DREAMS?

And btw, that story doesn't have a moral value, because YOU interpret it the way you want. Cheers~

:rolleyes:

[claws]

And are MLM people disturbing anyone? Well, is the DVD man that turns up repeatedly at your table when you're trying to have a meal disturbing you?

YES, MLM people do disturb you, if you would like to put it that way.

DVD man never turns up repeatedly at our table, they will left immediatelly once you shake your head, we not even need to say no. But for most of the "LB" people, they just live in their own imagination world. After thousand times of saying no, they just keep following you and repeating the foolish talk like you can become a millionaire, can drive big car... this n that. Tell me is there any such disturbance from other industries?????

So most of the MLM people do disturb us (not oly me), its good you also admit that.

[claws]

http://www.consumer.com.my/message/index.php?itemid=850&catid=3#more

[john900]

orange88, so that's it? just rolling your eyes?

Oh well, and I thought that the least you could offer was an apology. But who am I kidding. :rolleyes:

And by the way, if any LB members DID offend/disturb you, I do apologise on their behalf. I agree that not everyone is doing it the right way. Cheers~

[john900]

DVD man never turns up repeatedly at our table, they will left immediatelly once you shake your head, we not even need to say no. But for most of the "LB" people, they just live in their own imagination world. After thousand times of saying no, they just keep following you and repeating the foolish talk like you can become a millionaire, can drive big car... this n that. Tell me is there any such disturbance from other industries?????

So most of the MLM people do disturb us (not oly me), its good you also admit that.

This is so interesting! FYI, I always encounter DVD men who repeatedly turns up at my table, even countless times of saying no! So, let me ask you this, doesn't this perfectly demonstrates that not EVERYONE does things the same way? You obviously weren't harassed by them, but I did! So is it right for me to say that ALL DVD men harasses others?

And by the way, telling others that they too can succeed is NOT foolish talk. Success DOES happen, depending on the individuals of course. Foolish talk it may be to you, but not to everyone right? :)

[claws]

This is so interesting! FYI, I always encounter DVD men who repeatedly turns up at my table, even countless times of saying no! So, let me ask you this, doesn't this perfectly demonstrates that not EVERYONE does things the same way? You obviously weren't harassed by them, but I did! So is it right for me to say that ALL DVD men harasses others?

Read what I said again, I said "most" of the "LB" pll, did I ever say "ALL" ???? And another thing is I don't believe the DVD men will repeatedly turns up at your table. They r smart, they won't waste time on disturbing pll, only idiots do that.

[danbee]

This is so interesting! FYI, I always encounter DVD men who repeatedly turns up at my table, even countless times of saying no! So, let me ask you this, doesn't this perfectly demonstrates that not EVERYONE does things the same way? You obviously weren't harassed by them, but I did! So is it right for me to say that ALL DVD men harasses others?

And by the way, telling others that they too can succeed is NOT foolish talk. Success DOES happen, depending on the individuals of course. Foolish talk it may be to you, but not to everyone right? :)

John900,
DVD sale people are smart people. They don't bug you as you say.
Even if we were to buy from them its only 4 to 5 ringgit each.
You need 30k for your LB to be able to reach a certian status.
If you can't do it, and you use up the product, bye bye to your 30k.
Give us your honest answer, what is the percentage : say you get 10 new recruit, how many will succeed in your line and if they are successful how long can they stay at the top?
And why, most of them are only collage student / students.?

[orange88]

This is so interesting! FYI, I always encounter DVD men who repeatedly turns up at my table, even countless times of saying no! So, let me ask you this, doesn't this perfectly demonstrates that not EVERYONE does things the same way? You obviously weren't harassed by them, but I did! So is it right for me to say that ALL DVD men harasses others?

And by the way, telling others that they too can succeed is NOT foolish talk. Success DOES happen, depending on the individuals of course. Foolish talk it may be to you, but not to everyone right? :)

a foolish man speaks for himself :p

[john900]

orang88: that's all you do, right? insulting others when they don't agree with u . Sad, sad.... oh please, childish lar.. :p

[john900]

John900,
You need 30k for your LB to be able to reach a certian status.
If you can't do it, and you use up the product, bye bye to your 30k.
Give us your honest answer, what is the percentage : say you get 10 new recruit, how many will succeed in your line and if they are successful how long can they stay at the top?
And why, most of them are only collage student / students.?

What are you talking about? If you can't do it, and u use up products, then bye bye to your 30k??? Hello?? Isn't that like buying a lot of ramly burger patties, but u eat it all, then you don't get to sell n earn money???

and 10 new partners, the success rate will be on average. And why are they mostly college students? nope, students are not the majority in our network. :) so i don't know why u have that impression.

[kwchang]

My observation of allowing for discussions on MLM eventually lead to
i) arguements because the people for and against the idea never agree - instead of giving their pros and cons, they resort to name-calling and arguements
ii) some people cannot resist the temptation to sell their ideology on the Forum ... the very thing we do not allow.

Hence forth, I shall close this thread and other threads in future that leads to the above 2 end-points.