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swee_ann_tweety
06-06-2006, 09:43 PM
Correct me if I am wrong. I think I read some Act somewhere that it is illegal to swear i.e. utter vulgarities in the public..... is that rite ?

so this marketing managed lodged a police report against an express bus driver and i wonder what would happen to the driver


http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/6/6/north/14451581&sec=North
Tuesday June 6, 2006
Passenger: Bus driver abused me
By NIK KHUSAIRI IBRAHIM

A DISGRUNTLED marketing manager lodged a police report alleging that an express bus driver used abusive words and bullied him.

About one hour after leaving the Puduraya bus station on Sa-turday night, Ong Kuan Yeu, 41, claimed that the bus driver cur-sed him with four-letter words when he asked him to pull over at the nearest rest and recrea-tion area.

Ong said he was travelling by bus from Kuala Lumpur to Pe-nang with his wife. They were on their way back home af- ter attending a relative’s wedding.

“The bus driver stopped by the road side at 9.30pm and for-ced me to urinate there.

“I asked him how he could do this to me as I have paid for the bus ticket.

“He shouted at me, using abusive words. I was standing near the driver’s seat at that time and suddenly he lunged forward, and grabbed my shirt. I was scared as he was taller.

“I was struggling to free my-self and in the process I suffered bruises on my fingers and up-per chest,” he claimed, adding that the passengers appeared baffled.

Ong said the driver finally pulled over at a rest and recreation area about 20 minutes after the incident.

“I went to relieve myself. Af-ter that, I sat quietly until we arrived in Penang at 1am the next morning,” he said.

Ong lodged a report at the Jalan Patani police station on Sunday.

“This is this first time in my life I encountered such a pro-blem. I am a frequent traveller.

“I usually go to Kuala Lumpur by bus at least once a month for business matters but I ne-ver had any such problem be-fore,” he said when complai-ning about the matter to The Star yesterday.

A spokesman for the express bus firm, when contacted, said his company would look into the matter.

“However, since the passenger has lodged a police report, let the police carry out their in-vestigation,” he said.

hmckl
06-06-2006, 11:30 PM
correct me if I am wrong ..... there was a case recently a lady was fined for jaywalking; she subsequently swore at the traffic police officer and was sued to court for the swearing. I think she was convicted and fined RM 100 for her 'verbal abuse'.
I am no lawyer though :)

pcyeoh
06-06-2006, 11:42 PM
Nothing wrong to utter vulgarities in the public but when such utterance is directed to a certain person in particular, then it is an offence such as the case of that lady jay walker fined for verbally abusing the policeman.

The above case is not considered swearing. Also there is nothing in swearing even at a particular person. In the above case, the marketing manager is reporting the case of assault which is an offence. If he kena hammered by the bus driver, then it is assault and battery which is even more serious. One lesson to learn is never try to be funny in the presence of the police. When I was charged in court for jumping the lights which was not the case (it was arguable), the magistrate got the cheek to say "Between the policeman and you, I would say I would rather believe in the policeman for speaking the truth."

swee_ann_tweety
07-06-2006, 05:06 AM
Nothing wrong to utter vulgarities in the public but when such utterance is directed to a certain person in particular, then it is an offence such as the case of that lady jay walker fined for verbally abusing the policeman.

The above case is not considered swearing. Also there is nothing in swearing even at a particular person. In the above case, the marketing manager is reporting the case of assault which is an offence. If he kena hammered by the bus driver, then it is assault and battery which is even more serious. One lesson to learn is never try to be funny in the presence of the police. When I was charged in court for jumping the lights which was not the case (it was arguable), the magistrate got the cheek to say "Between the policeman and you, I would say I would rather believe in the policeman for speaking the truth."

err... I think in the Women and Child Protection act or something like that, one is not allowed to swear at women / child. Any lawyers who can confirm this?
How come there is no Man Protection Act ?

Well, EVERYTHING with police is funny i.e. they get all the previledges. For instance, they have the right NOT to wear safety belts. From what I heard, it is also illegal to be "rude" to a police. That means, if you raise your voice and didn't even swear, I am sure they can arrest you.

but this woman is so daring! she protected her son and hurled abuse at reporters and cameramen


Cross Country:Offender’s mum berates reporters
06 Jun 2006
NST
KUALA LUMPUR: The first day of Ops Warta VI began in a dramatic fashion after the mother of a traffic offender tried to protect her son from cameramen who followed city traffic police yesterday.

The woman, in her 40s, hurled abuse at reporters and cameramen who tried to take pictures of her son, Chan Kin Keng, 30, at their apartment in Taman Miharja, Cheras.

However, she relented after police explained the situation to her.

Chan had failed to settle a summons for not wearing a seat-belt on Aug 31 last year, and was served with a warrant of arrest.

He pleaded with policemen not to arrest him, pointing to his legs which were encased in a cast. He had broken them in a recent accident.

The policemen then urged him to surrender at the city traffic police headquarters today.

City traffic police said they would be going from door-to-door in search of 11,456 motorists who had been issued warrants of arrest.

Operation and enforcement unit chief DSP Tan Hiap Seng said they had assembled four teams which would be looking for the offenders.

"It is still not too late. The offenders can avoid arrest if they pay up," he said.

Tan said the public’s response to Ops Warta VI was lukewarm.

He said during Ops Warta V, they served 38 per cent of the total number of warrants of arrest.

"We hope to serve more warrants this time."

swee_ann_tweety
07-06-2006, 05:08 AM
correct me if I am wrong ..... there was a case recently a lady was fined for jaywalking; she subsequently swore at the traffic police officer and was sued to court for the swearing. I think she was convicted and fined RM 100 for her 'verbal abuse'.
I am no lawyer though :)

yeah I remember reading this case. I am no lawyer too.

aurora97
07-06-2006, 03:44 PM
err... I think in the Women and Child Protection act or something like that, one is not allowed to swear at women / child. Any lawyers who can confirm this?
How come there is no Man Protection Act ?

Well, EVERYTHING with police is funny i.e. they get all the previledges. For instance, they have the right NOT to wear safety belts. From what I heard, it is also illegal to be "rude" to a police. That means, if you raise your voice and didn't even swear, I am sure they can arrest you.

but this woman is so daring! she protected her son and hurled abuse at reporters and cameramen

Not sure whether i get the full picture, but this is my 2 cents.
First of all, swearing/cursing isn't a crime so is being rude to a policeman.
As noted in the news where the Bus Driver reacted rudely to the Victim who wanted to relief himself,

"“I was struggling to free my-self and in the process I suffered bruises on my fingers and up-per chest.”

- there is some ingredients for Assault (cursing/swearing at him + conduct) + battery (bruises/grabbing/touching), assault meaning in a legal sense the threat/fear of immediate harm or danger via verbal abuse - say " i will ****ing beat you up right now,and i Chop you into 18 slices." Battery meaning when the victim is being bashed by the assailant.

- as for the Child,Woman or Man protection Act or whichever act it might be. The Criminal Procedure Codes + Penal Code + the Law of Tort adequately covers and protects the victims in such events. (probably Child or Woman Acts are designed more specifically to protect the victims)

- As for the Police in our country, they are governed by their own code and regulations. They may have certain privileges extended to them, but they also have a higher duty and standard applied to them. Probally without this privileges they are unable to function at a satisfactory level.

For example:
not wearing a seat belt for instance, probably if there was an emergency it would slow down their responce time in the event they need to get out from their cars urgently. Well it's not for me to guess, but i am sure they have a good reason

- As for the woman who hurled abuses at policeman/ reporters, her son got what he deserved. If a person commits an offences breaches it, there would certainly be sanctions imposed on them. Otherwise, whats the purpose of having laws when everyone breaks them and don't get punished. This are actions we should endorse and the actions of the policeman applauded (but i never liked the idea of having cameraman running around), fines are taken so lightly till warrant Tangkap have to be issued?

expat1609
08-06-2006, 01:30 AM
it is good to have and enforce laws to stop that rude behaving fellas.

in germany, many years back, a middle finger shown on the road could cost as much as 3000 Euro, don't know the prices today

pls note, no physical insult or verbal fight, just showing the bad finger from your car to other road users.

pcyeoh
08-06-2006, 02:04 AM
If in Germany showing the middle finger can cost as much as 3000 Euro, then it is cheap. In Malaysia showing the middle finger to the wrong party can cost you your life. No joke.

bobkee
08-06-2006, 02:21 AM
Actually public profanity is an offence under the Penal Code .. not usually enforced but still an offence.

USJ27Resident
08-06-2006, 02:32 AM
it is good to have and enforce laws to stop that rude behaving fellas..

But is there laws to stop/prosecute rude behaving police officers?? :confused:

Or we are destined to "show" our middle finger once the bad policeman has left the scene... :mad: :rolleyes:

swee_ann_tweety
08-06-2006, 01:24 PM
But is there laws to stop/prosecute rude behaving police officers?? :confused:

Or we are destined to "show" our middle finger once the bad policeman has left the scene... :mad: :rolleyes:

well, in Chinese, the writing AUTHORITY has two "MOUTHs" in the word. The chinese will always say, AUTHORITY HAS TWO MOUTHS. In other words, what you do is wrong but what the authority does is correct. Black is black to you but black is also white to him :)

So I guess, they can be rude but you cannot be rude :)

ericchan
08-06-2006, 01:32 PM
Who says its illegal to swear you have just sit in a coffeshop and you can hear all the swearing you want its a norm even children swear...so what.

swee_ann_tweety
09-06-2006, 04:36 PM
Who says its illegal to swear you have just sit in a coffeshop and you can hear all the swearing you want its a norm even children swear...so what.
Yes agreed. there are some really inconsiderate people swearing in public but it IS illegal BUT who is there to impliment it ? :confused:
It's just like it's illegal to drive without seat belts but how many do you see do not wear seat belts , etc. ?

i was once in a cinema and this group of chinese AH BENGS, they were swearing all the way and i really pity this mother who brought her children into the cinema. Gee. I really wanted to complain to the usher but I was so in to the movie that by the time I know it, it's the end of the show. I should have just complained to the usher. Damn I should have

USJ27Resident
09-06-2006, 10:33 PM
Correct me if I am wrong. I think I read some Act somewhere that it is illegal to swear i.e. utter vulgarities in the public..... is that rite ?....

Oh btw... it is oso illegal to swear (vulgarities!) in the public forum i.e. HERE :D :p :) - you could end up being fined a BIG YELLOW BANANA for your first public display of "colourful words!"...

swee_ann_tweety
10-06-2006, 10:10 AM
Oh btw... it is oso illegal to swear (vulgarities!) in the public forum i.e. HERE :D :p :) - you could end up being fined a BIG YELLOW BANANA for your first public display of "colourful words!"...

well at least we have some one (administrator) to IMPLIMENT this illegal rule!