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silver_bird
28-05-2006, 06:34 PM
Protes harga minyak: FRU, polis belasah peserta perhimpunan
Sun | May 28, 06 | 03:29:25 PM
Oleh Saidatul Amani, Nabilah Abdullah & Azamin Amin ]
http://www.malaysiakini.com/frame/eNorLy/Xy0pNS8vPz9RLzs8FAC/fBeM=

KUALA LUMPUR, 28 Mei (Hrkh) - Sekali lagi rakyat digegarkan dengan tindakan ganas dan kejam anggota polis simpanan persekutuan (FRU) yang menjadikan peserta perhimpunan aman membantah kenaikan minyak umpama haiwan.

Seramai 20 aktivis termasuk dua wanita ditangkap dalam perhimpunan tersebut antaranya; Ketua Pemuda PAS,Salahuddin Ayub; Setiausaha DAP,Ronnie Liu; Timbalan Ketua Penerangan Pemuda KeADILan, Badrul Hisham Shahrin; Zulkifli Nordin; AJK Lajnah Pengguna PAS Pusat, Wardah Abdullah dan aktivis keADILan,Nora.

Bantah kenaikan harga minyak, elektrik
Perhimpunan aman itu bermula jam 10 pagi di hadapan Dataran KLCC, dipengerusikan oleh Badrul Hisham dan diikuti dengan ucapan Ketua Penyelaras Protes, Dr Hatta Ramli.

Orang ramai mula berhimpun pada jam 9.30 pagi bagi melahirkan bantahan ekoran kenaikan harga minyak diikuti kenaikan tarif elektrik bermula 1 Jun ini.

Dalam ucapan itu Dr Hatta berkata, rakyat terpaksa menanggung kenaikan harga minyak dan terkini diikuti pula dengan kenaikan tarif elektrik.

Kata beliau,apabila harga minyak naik semua harga barang-barang ikut naik dan ini telah menjejaskan kehidupan rakyat terutama mereka yang bergaji kecil apatah lagi mereka yang tidak bergaji.

Menurutnya, negara pengeluar minyak seperti Arab Saudi tidak menaikkan harga sebaliknya kerajaan itu menurunkan harga apabila harga minyak dunia naik.

Tambah beliau, negara tersebut berkongsi keuntungan dengan rakyat contohnya harga 90 sen diturunkan menjadi 62 sen.

"Harga minyak dunia naik sepatutnya rakyat memperolehi keuntungan dan tidak munasabah rakyat yang terpaksa menanggung," katanya.

Polis guna 'water cannon' pada orang ramai
Ketika Dr Hatta berucap, helikopter berpusing di atas kawasan perhimpunan sebanyak tiga kali dan serendah lima kaki. Beliau terpaksa menghentikan ucapan kerana ketika itu akibat angin bertiup kencang menyebabkan daun-daun kering berterbangan dan suasana bising.

Laungan `hidup-hidup, hidup rakyat, jatuh-jatuh harga minyak, turun-turun harga minyak, Pak Lah-pak Lah turun, Najib-Najib turun'. Laungan itu berterusan sehingga helikopter beredar daripada kawasan tersebut.

Wakil mahasiswa, Lim Sok Swan turut mendesak kerajaan supaya menurunkan harga minyak.

Pada jam 10.41 pagi pihak polis mula memberi amaran dan melaungkan perkataan;`Diminta perhimpunan dihentikan serta merta atau kami akan huraikan dengan kekerasan.'

Ketika amaran diberikan wakil DAP, Ronnie Liu sedang berucap. Sebanyak tiga kali amaran diberikan dan ketika Ronnie berucap dalam bahasa Mandarin tepat jam 10.46 pagi, trak `water cannon' mula membuat semburan air ke arah peserta protes.

Bagaimanapun, Timbalan Presiden PAS, Ustaz Nasharuddin Mat Isa; Naib Presiden, Mohamad Sabu; Salahuddin Ayub; Bendahari PAS, Dr Hatta Ramli; Presiden Jim, Zaid Kamaruddin; Badrul Hisham ; AJK PAS Pusat, Haji Mahfuz Omar; Timbalan Ketua Pemuda, Ustaz Idris Ahmad dan peserta protes tidak berganjak dari tempat mereka membuat perhimpunan.

Mereka hanya berganjak apabila anggota FRU menyerbu dan menangkap Salahuddin, Badrul Hisham, Ronnie Liu dan aktivis lain dengan keadaan mereka yang basah.

Zahir dibelasah di hadapan keluarga sendiri, orang ramai
Keganasan FRU tidak dapat disangkal apabila menangkap seorang peserta protes umpama menangkap seekor binatang buas.

Lebih 15 orang menangkap seorang peserta protes. Perlakuan ganas itu juga berlaku terhadap Timbalan Setiausaha Agung KeADILan, Zahir Hassan, yang ditangkap di tengah jalan raya dan dibelasah ketika beliau bersama isteri dan anaknya mahu menyeberang jalan menuju ke bangunan Avenue.

Zahir dipukul di muka,di belakang badan dan (ketika berita ini ditulis) beliau sedang menerima rawatan di Hospital Kuala Lumpur. Beliau dilaporkan akan terus dibawa ke IPK, Jalan Hang Tuah.

Dalam kejadian tersebut, beberapa orang anggota FRU menarik Zahir keluar daripada kepungan isteri, anak dan peserta protes lain. Dua orang FRU memapah Zahir untuk terus ditahan.

Sebelum itu, Ustaz Nasharudin, Mohamad Sabu, Mahfuz Omar dan Ustaz Idris Ahmad dikepung FRU dan dihalau supaya bersurai ketika FRU berlaku ganas terhadap peserta perhimpunan aman.

Lebih 2000 orang berkumpul sejak 9.30 pagi untuk melahirkan bantahan rakyat terhadap tindakan drastik kerajaan menaikkan harga minyak yang sekaligus menyebabkan hampir semua barangan keperluan harian dan tarif elektrik naik secara mendadak.

Anggota FRU dan polis bersurai jam 11.25. Ketika mereka bersurai peserta protes melaungkan perkataan; "hidup rakyat, reformasi, FRU kaki pukul, FRU kaki pukul'.

Ekoran tangkapan 20 orang peserta protes itu, perhimpunan aman akan tetap diadakan.

Protes diteruskan, laporan Suhakam dan polis akan dibuat
Menurut Dr Hatta, dijangkakan ini merupakan bantahan kenaikan harga minyak yang terakhir tetapi disebabkan tindakan ganas pihak berkuasa demonstrasi akan diteruskan.

Ustaz Nasharuddin yang ditemui selepas beliau dihalau oleh FRU kesal dengan tindakan zalim kerajaan yang di luar perikemanusiaan dan tidak menghormati suara rakyat yang mengadakan perbincangan secara aman.

“Kita akan membuat satu laporan kepada Suruhanjaya Hak Asasi Manusia (Suhakam) berkenaan dengan tindakan zalim ini dan rakyat tengok sendiri bagaimana rakyat dipukul. Jika suruhanjaya yang ditubuhkan tidak memberi manfaat kepada rakyat. Kita akan buat laporan Polis," katanya.

Sementara itu Mohamad Sabu turut melahirkan rasa kesal dan berkata, Penambahbaikan Suruhanjaya Polis Diraja Malasia tidak memberi kesan kepada kerajaan.

“Saya sedih dengan tindakan zalim FRU yang mengganas sedangkan rakyat berhimpun secara aman untuk menyuarakan bantahan terhadap kenaikan harga minyak,”katanya.

Sementara itu, AJK PAS Pusat, Haji Mahfuz Omar berkata, kerajaan hari ini gagal dalam menguruskan wang negara dan kerajaan seharusnya menurunkan harga minyak bukannya menangkap dan memukul rakyat.

Beliau mempersoalkan, jika kerajaan memberi alasan membatalkan jambatan bengkok kononnya protes daripada rakyat mengapa kerajaan tidak menurunkan harga minyak melalui protes yang dilakukan oleh rakyat.

“Rakyat harus sedar dengan kuasa yang ada pada rakyat hutang Syarikat besar kepada TNB dipindahkan kepada rakyat sebab itu kerajaan tidak mengumumkan kenaikan takif elektrik pada waktu pilihan raya Sarawak kerana ia tahu kuasa rakyat boleh mengalahkan BN pada pilihanraya itu,”katanya.

Dalam pada itu, Ketua Dewan Muslimat PAS, Ustazah Azizah Khatib Mat sedih dengan tindakan zalim kerajaan terhadap rakyat yang hanya menyuarakan pendapat tetapi sebaliknya dilayan macam binatang.

"Kemungkinan kita akan mengadakan lagi bantahan supaya kerajaan sedar akan suara yang ada pada rakyat,"katanya. - mks.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/frame/eNorLy/Xy0pNS8vPz9RLzs8FAC/fBeM=

USJ27Resident
28-05-2006, 08:01 PM
*speechless* :eek: :mad:

Whilst the government intends to send its army and police to keep the peace in Timor Leste, the government unleashes its police (FRU) on its own citizens... :eek:

Did the protesters cause any riots or damages during the demonstration? :(

So it seems that we are not allowed to express our opinions and thoughts with regards to how the government runs the business of good government. So it seems our democracy means that we are free to live our lives as long as we leave the government to their own *close one eye* businesses!

Whole load of bull !! I know whom I am voting for in the next election... :mad:

And for all you know - they might just steal the damn results *like in Burma!* :mad: :mad:

USJ27Resident
28-05-2006, 08:05 PM
And probably not a *freaking* squeek! from our regular newspapers... :mad:

USJ27Resident
28-05-2006, 08:26 PM
At 6:34pm this thread was started, and within 2 hrs we had 50 hits... but NOT one fella had made any comment as to the actions of the FRU :mad: Does this show that we couldn't care less about the actions of our police or what... Whatever happen to freedom of expression? Meaning to say... we are free to express ourselves - as long as we do it in private ( from our PCs in the office and home... ???) NO CROWDS and NO GATHERINGS!

Mebbe tomorrow when I have a house warming party, the FRU can turn up and wallop the hell outta my guests :mad: because NO GATHERINGS allowed! Next time if there is a gathering in front of the PM office or PWTC - I hope the damn FRU will also turn up and wallop the hell outta these fellas - as they oso turn up to express their support for the BN-UMNO cohorts...

Damn :mad:

Feng
28-05-2006, 09:48 PM
this is a basic violation of human rights in a so called "democratic" nation...

it happen last time they had a fuel hike protest also at KLCC several weeks ago. the FRU splashed water cannons at the public and detained about 20 people who went there in protest. The media were threatened by the government to keep silent about these protests or they'll have their license suspended... so much so for the reforms they promised...

bobkee
28-05-2006, 10:27 PM
I have my disagreements with the organisers, at least initially, on the premise of the demonstrations, ie. price hike. That was when I decided not to get involved with the demo and ironically the initial demos that were more "populist" in nature were generally left alone and allowed to proceed and end peacefully.

It was only in the latter demos when they started highlighting the systemic problems and lack of transparency by the government and the public funded Petronas that a more violent backlash occured. Today's occurence is one of the most violent backlashes in many years and I am ashamed I was not standing there in solidarity with my friends .. even if I do disapprove of their methodology.

slappy
28-05-2006, 11:00 PM
...... and I am ashamed I was not standing there in solidarity with my friends .. even if I do disapprove of their methodology.

On hindsight, would you be proud instead to stand in line with the demonstrators, knowing well that their methodology is likely to bring the violent backlash as rightly proven so? One must truly appreciate whether the gist of the protest, i.e. price hike, is really that awful to the people to warrant such outpouring of hatred to the govt....... or is the price hike is something you and I have seen long-coming and perhaps justified, given that we had been enjoying the luxury of low price for the longest time.

IanQ
28-05-2006, 11:29 PM
Personally, there is nothing to be frustrated and/or angry about. We all know the rules of "engagement" in Malaysia. Because we (as in the general population) voted the government. To change, we have to change the government. If that do not happen, or cannot happen, then either migrate or close one eye lor.

Rocky19
28-05-2006, 11:31 PM
Maybe MP Jasin should have talked to the FRU to keep One Eye closed! :rolleyes:

the 2,000 that were out there, my hats off to you. It seems our current govt is worried about people peacefully expressing themselves on a very legitimate issue. Here we are having prices hikes after prices hikes and being told to change lifestyle. The govt on the other hand continues spending like wang bapak dia. MPPJ with their RM6.5million celebration. Matrade snafu. This is all plain BS. Tan Sri Ramon Navaratnam mentioned that leakage from RMP9 could be RM30-60billion of the RM200billion based on historical pattrens...RM30billion!!! :mad: And here they are making a fuss on RM10-16billion on fuel subsidies. At least the subsidies goes to the people. Wonder where the govt leakage goes to? This is not about price hike but how this govt is not practising what they preach and taking away things from our pocket, be it subsidies and tax dollars and putting it into selected pockets!

And damn FRU, just whack people who are using words to tell the govt off.Is anyone throwing stones or anything else towards you. Don't push it, more people will join in if you start hurting innocent Malaysians.

BN = A govt that doesn't want to listen to its people and uses force to keep them quiet while wasting tax payers money, kerajaan yang takut. :mad: :mad:

Sentinel
28-05-2006, 11:40 PM
Some friends sent over some tapings where I saw the beatings with the baton, the heavy boots (hey, the guy was down on the road already!) and rifle butts.... I almost puked. There was a scene where a big man in blue just slammed his fibregalss shield onto a small lady in tudong holding a placard... I think she just blacked out!

PAK LAH, I KNOW WHO I AM VOTING FOR IN THE NEXT ELECTION ! WE MALAYSIANS, ALL AFFECTED BY THIS FUEL HIKE AND POWER TARIFFS HIKE, WILL NOT FORGET SO EASILY THIS TIME.... YOU'RE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND!!! GO ON.... GO BUILD YOUR BLARDY DISNEYLAND IN GELANG PATAH... WHAT ELSE IS NEW HERE?

IanQ
28-05-2006, 11:48 PM
remember, due to our "form" of election and government, we are not exactly voting for the PM. We are voting for the party.

Sentinel
28-05-2006, 11:50 PM
remember, due to our "form" of election and government, we are not exactly voting for the PM. We are voting for the party.

Of course IanQ, of course. That "white mop" (pek mor) in Sarawak still CM bah but cannot talk c**k anymore mah... :mad:

charis14
29-05-2006, 12:44 AM
...One must truly appreciate whether the gist of the protest, i.e. price hike, is really that awful to the people to warrant such outpouring of hatred to the govt....... or is the price hike is something you and I have seen long-coming and perhaps justified, given that we had been enjoying the luxury of low price for the longest time.
Personally, I have no issue with being hit with petrol/ electricity increases. Having travelled abroad during job assignment, I knew of the high cost being paid by others in the world. However, what I (and presumably most) cannot accept is the fact that the wealth of the country is grossly mismanaged resulting in the masses not enjoying the benefits adequately. The recent article in The Star by Wong Sulong shares my thoughts very politely http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/5/26/nation/14357195&sec=nation (http://)

orchipalar
29-05-2006, 12:52 AM
Err...thanks for the reminder Charis:)...ya mean this link to Wong Su Long's article in the Star...

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/5/26/nation/14357195&sec=nation

Teeque
29-05-2006, 02:37 AM
More reports (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/210744/1/.html) frm ard the region.

I agree with Wong Sulong. That the government and Pak Lah's administration must do more to be 'seen' as walking the talk. As it is, there are many 'differing and negative' signals and actions coming frm him and his administration and the rakyat is far frm happy with all the nonsense that is going on. The rakyat must now issue Pak Lah the ultimatum - walk the talk or face the consequences! The signs (re: Sarawak elections) are already there and he better heed the warnings.

sirgalahad2010
29-05-2006, 09:06 AM
How do u insulate (or isolate) the Malaysian economy from fuel price rises which are not just limited to Malaysia alone?

Do u want the govt to continue down the never-ending path of subsidies?

If anything, blame "market forces" and the "free market" for the current prices of oil, minerals and commodities.

Or blame the govt for not making Malaysia a high-tech, high-wage economy!

It's easy to protest without taking a look at the economic fundamentals, and to arouse emotions without proposing commonsense and logical solutions which are based on sound economic principles. And that's where the DAP, PAS, PKR and the miscellaneous NGOs are at fault. :mad:

silver_bird
29-05-2006, 10:05 AM
Quote sirgalahad2010 :-
It's easy to protest without taking a look at the economic fundamentals, and to arouse emotions without proposing commonsense and logical solutions which are based on sound economic principles. And that's where the DAP, PAS, PKR and the miscellaneous NGOs are at fault.
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Quote silver_bird's article :-
Dalam ucapan itu Dr Hatta berkata, rakyat terpaksa menanggung kenaikan harga minyak dan terkini diikuti pula dengan kenaikan tarif elektrik.

Kata beliau,apabila harga minyak naik semua harga barang-barang ikut naik dan ini telah menjejaskan kehidupan rakyat terutama mereka yang bergaji kecil apatah lagi mereka yang tidak bergaji.

Menurutnya, negara pengeluar minyak seperti Arab Saudi tidak menaikkan harga sebaliknya kerajaan itu menurunkan harga apabila harga minyak dunia naik.

Tambah beliau, negara tersebut berkongsi keuntungan dengan rakyat contohnya harga 90 sen diturunkan menjadi 62 sen.

"Harga minyak dunia naik sepatutnya rakyat memperolehi keuntungan dan tidak munasabah rakyat yang terpaksa menanggung," katanya.

Based on Dr Hatta's statement, citizens of Malaysia being a member of (OPEC) Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries should benefit from Global Oil price increase. We should not be burden with fuel price increase. Therefore, DAP, PAS, PKR, NGO or BN for that matter has the legitimate cause to protest !!!

Rocky19
29-05-2006, 10:10 AM
Personally, I have no issue with being hit with petrol/ electricity increases. Having travelled abroad during job assignment, I knew of the high cost being paid by others in the world. However, what I (and presumably most) cannot accept is the fact that the wealth of the country is grossly mismanaged resulting in the masses not enjoying the benefits adequately. The recent article in The Star by Wong Sulong shares my thoughts very politely http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/5/26/nation/14357195&sec=nation (http://)
This is the issue. We have to live with oil prices increasing, that is fine. But mismanagement! Screw them, it is taxpayers money and we should tell them off if they can't practise what they preach. Some don't tend to see that issue only this was a protest on price increases. :rolleyes:

IanQ
29-05-2006, 10:20 AM
Based on Dr Hatta's statement, citizens of Malaysia being a member of (OPEC) Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries should benefit from Global Oil price increase. We should not be burden with fuel price increase. Therefore, DAP, PAS, PKR, NGO or BN for that matter has the legitimate cause to protest !!!

Ah, but it does benefit Malaysia on the whole; its just which part of the whole Malaysia (malaysians or firms or segment) that is getting the benefit. :eek:

The whole pie grew, but this time, the extra pie and some more is given to a certain group of people or firms with cosy relationships with the government.

IanQ
29-05-2006, 10:23 AM
Best way to survive this is to manage one’s budget and expenses so as not be taken for a ride and be subject to market forces. Then when election comes, do your thing.

Chia Hak Soon
29-05-2006, 10:50 AM
This is bad and you can view it from Malaysiakini but nothing from the local papers. When I was in singapore last week, a relative ask me about it but I told him that it was a small protest. Well, he said most singaporeans are warned and I was surprised.
The current state of police personnel as you can see are plumb and out of shape and if this pursue and deteoirates to stone throwing due to FRU's rough handling, we may have a problem. I hope the gomen do something fast before we have our faction of hamas.
Already, we hear of murders, kidnapings, robberies, rapes and snatch thieves. This are signs of things getting out of control.

slappy
29-05-2006, 10:59 AM
Quote sirgalahad2010 :-
Based on Dr Hatta's statement, citizens of Malaysia being a member of (OPEC) Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries should benefit from Global Oil price increase. We should not be burden with fuel price increase. Therefore, DAP, PAS, PKR, NGO or BN for that matter has the legitimate cause to protest !!!

Dude, you got the facts wrong. Malaysia is NOT a member of OPEC.

xweird
29-05-2006, 11:28 AM
FRU is formed from a loose ragtag collection of misfits who have no sense of humanity or human rights. Their job is simply to beat anything that moves...

silver_bird
29-05-2006, 11:45 AM
Thanks slappy for the pointer, however Malaysia is a major exporter of Crude Oil.

Chia Hak Soon
29-05-2006, 12:03 PM
Legend had it that most commanders in charge of FRU have bad karma.

A former commander of FRU which I used to drink often always describe how formidable the force he commands and the end result is his son died a tragic death, knocking himself into a stationary truck. He was so devastaed that so many things happened to his family and later died a lonely man.May God Bless their souls.

Therefore be merciful, forgive, and always remember, we are born here for a purpose. What we do now will reflect on our next generation. Things do not happen tragicaly. so be kind, tolerant and humble and peace will be with you.

slappy
29-05-2006, 01:24 PM
Thanks slappy for the pointer, however Malaysia is a major exporter of Crude Oil.

Malaysia is no way a major exporter of crude oil. We only exported about 0.2 million barrels/day. That's no where near the Saudi Arabia at 8 mil barrels/day and just half of the tiny state, Qatar (1.2 mil barrels/day).

We just happened to be a net exporter at the moment but our consumption level is getting higher by the day (0.5mil barrels/day). Pretty soon, we would become net importer. Our crude oil reserve of <20 billion barrels will barely last us for another 19 years, while fuel consumption keep going up. This generation is lucky as they get to enjoy the luxury of low price all this while. But the future generation, heck 10 years from now when we become net importer, then we will be really in trouble.

Whatever subsidy reduction will help in sustaining the development for future generation. Or we rather have the govt continue to give cheap oils at the expense of future generation? Our sons and daughters will just have to pay four or five times more, courtesy of our generation's indulgence. Saudi Arabia is able to reduce domestic oil price simply because they have oil reserves of 260 billion barrrels that will last for at least another 50 good years!

sirgalahad2010
29-05-2006, 01:43 PM
I think that the DAP, PAS, PKR etc do not know whether to justify the continued subsidies or to petition for their removal over a specified time period.

It's easy to demonstrate, and incite others to demonstrate, when you don't have sound and well-conceived plans for the economy, and when you apparently don't understand how the free market works.

In which case, they have a lot in common with TDM! :D

wsp
29-05-2006, 02:34 PM
for how long we have been subsidising the poorly managed GLCs?? still remember, last time (before air asia came into the picture), MAS used to increase the fares whenever they ran at loss. now? see what happened! their major principle is to increase price when the co makes loss. and these blokes never learn how to control the costs! it's so pathetic to be a voter who voted a govt that sucks our hard-earned money.

sirgalahad2010
29-05-2006, 02:42 PM
Yah, but the same voters keep choosing these jokers time and again! The last time around, it was a landslide, even.

Doesn't say much about the voters' view of the opposition now, does it, limited choices, media blackouts and the politics of fear not withstanding?

bobkee
29-05-2006, 03:55 PM
Just wondering if anyone has actually had a look at the document that the organisers of this protest was distributing. It has some interesting facts and figures, especially in relation to our revenue and distribution of it.

The harping on how the protestors are protesting merely against the price increase is IMHO oversimplifying the issue and the motivations of the protestors. As I mentioned earlier, this might have been true in the first protests, hence my initial disagreement with the demos. But the issue was clarified in the latter demos and this coincided with the increase in force used to disperse such protests.

Yesterday's reaction was one of the most violent reprisals for quite a few years and it was primarily targetted at those who were distributing literature. Makes one wonder why, doesn't it?

A copy of this booklet in PDF can be downloaded at :

Fuel Hike Booklet - Hakikat & Persoalan (http://www.keadilanrakyat.org/spm/templates/rhuk_solarflare_ii/ebook_KenaikanMinyakHakikat.pdf)

To respond to Slappy :
On hindsight, would you be proud instead to stand in line with the demonstrators, knowing well that their methodology is likely to bring the violent backlash as rightly proven so? One must truly appreciate whether the gist of the protest, i.e. price hike, is really that awful to the people to warrant such outpouring of hatred to the govt....... or is the price hike is something you and I have seen long-coming and perhaps justified, given that we had been enjoying the luxury of low price for the longest time.This wouldn't be the first time I've been up in the front so yes .. I would still be quite proud standing the line even if I knew such a backlash was going to take place. For me, the issue has never been about the subsidy, it's about the blatant abuse of trust and arbitrary reactions to dissent.

silver_bird
29-05-2006, 04:44 PM
Opposition party men protest power price hike
as reported by Star Publication - Monday, May 29, 2006
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/5/29/nation/14379472&sec=nation

KUALA LUMPUR: Members of various opposition parties
staged a protest against the 12% electricity tariff increase in front of KLCC Sunday.

Parti Keadilan Rakyat information bureau chief Tian Chua led the protest which began at 10am.

More than 600 people, including PAS and DAP members, took part in the protest.

PAS youth chief Salahuddin Ayub and DAP NGO bureau chief Ronnie Liu were among the opposition leaders involved.

At about 11am when the protest grew rowdy, police used a water cannon on demonstrators who refused to disperse.

Dang Wangi OCPD Asst Comm Kamal Pasha Jamal said police detained 18 men including Salahuddin and Liu as well as two women.

“We have taken them to the Hang Tuah station lock-up for questioning. We will release them after that,” said ACP Kamal Pasha, adding that the crowd dispersed at 12pm.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/5/29/nation/14379472&sec=nation

They are actually protesting against INCREASE IN ELECTRICITY TARRIFF or PETROL PRICE or both ??? If only protesting against INCREASING IN ELECTRICITY TARIFF, then it's bad reporting by Star Publication !!!

bobkee
29-05-2006, 05:05 PM
An exercise in disassociation mah .. to give the impression that both issues are not related.

Anyway, the Star and bad reporting .. not really mutually exclusive ;)

shali
29-05-2006, 05:22 PM
Excessiveness, high handedness and draconian laws will the real thing Malaysia will fail in its 2020 bid to get a developed nation/free market status.

charis14
29-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Yah, but the same voters keep choosing these jokers time and again! The last time around, it was a landslide, even.

Doesn't say much about the voters' view of the opposition now, does it, limited choices, media blackouts and the politics of fear not withstanding?I must admit that I was one of the culprit who contributed to BN's landslide. I fell for the wonderful slogans... sigh... Pls allow me the chance to make amends the next time round.

jianwei85
29-05-2006, 09:36 PM
err..i think i read about the protes in The Star 2day.. one small little column only.. :)

bobkee
29-05-2006, 10:14 PM
Some video clips and video coverage of what is now dubbed our very own Bloody Sunday :

Police Brutality In KL (Asia247.com)
http://www.asia247.tv/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=52

Peaceful Protest Turned Bloody (Asia247.com)
http://www.asia247.tv/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=71&Itemid=52

Demo Minyak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iER2AgoFlN8

bobkee
29-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Oh yeah .. irony is that we just got elected into the UN's Human Rights Council.

shali
29-05-2006, 10:53 PM
If the nude squat scandal has justified the creation of a royal commission to look into the matter, in God's name, this is worse. I'm utterly speechless.

The UN's HR's arm must make a statement on this. I suggest the Malaysian representative makes such statement on behalf of UN, lol.

Many countries have disbanded paramilitary police units due to the negative image they had potrayed. We should consider the same.

Sentinel
30-05-2006, 01:19 AM
What right has those men in blue to whack the daylight out of unarmed peaceful protesters? This country is out of control, the police has stepped out of line.... and why is the PM and Home Minister so quiet? :mad:

USJ27Resident
30-05-2006, 01:31 AM
What right has those men in blue to whack the daylight out of unarmed peaceful protesters? This country is out of control, the police has stepped out of line .... and why is the PM and Home Minister so quiet?:mad:

Yup... The same group of fellas that wear the blue uniform; that is entrusted to protect and keep the peace of the country, is now threatening the government that they will work to rule and to allow crime to increase in the same breath because of the the pressure to set up the IPCMC :rolleyes: The other resolutions taken is even more ludicurous even to mention...

If you don't die laughing - you'd die crying because of this...

jianwei85
30-05-2006, 03:29 AM
WAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? is our police MAD?

HELLO??~ Have they woken up yet? if they are going 4 a mutiny..the rakyat will suffer.."Us, Kami, Wo Men"..the G-men will jz hide for a few weeks n later declare another policy to separate police force n etc...

So, in the event of a strike by police..the SUPER EQUIPPED MILITARY is gonna kick their buntuts...layeth the smacketh down..n then pandemonium will not be tolerated..thus markets will drop..

There u have it..police who screw up the G-men n then screwing up our economy...Please..tell/reinstate some sense into the nearest police near u.....

USJ27Resident
30-05-2006, 03:38 AM
.....So, in the event of a strike by police..the SUPER EQUIPPED MILITARY is gonna kick their buntuts...layeth the smacketh down..n then pandemonium will not be tolerated..thus markets will drop.......

Sure sounds more and more like the making of Timor Leste... :( hmmm, imagine, threatened into submission by our own police... :rolleyes:

jianwei85
30-05-2006, 03:52 AM
Sure sounds more and more like the making of Timor Leste... :( hmmm, imagine, threatened into submission by our own police... :rolleyes:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........I just want peace..if it means Pembangkang..then if it shall be Peace..I wont mind...Btw..im legible to vote in the next election.. :)

USJ27Resident
30-05-2006, 04:06 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........I just want peace..if it means Pembangkang..then if it shall be Peace..I wont mind...Btw..im legible to vote in the next election.. :)

You can't have the cake and eat it... :rolleyes: thats not how things works.

If you want peace and pembangkang... be prepared for the opposite... history would prove it right ~ last time pembangkang "won" the election outright... we had our "1969 reminder" played over and over, on our fears...

Think about it - first, we kena bullied by the master (gomen!) and now kena reminded by the servant (police!) to stop telling them how to run ( their s[t]ick to the core) their business...

jianwei85
30-05-2006, 04:10 AM
then i Just wan peace...

sirgalahad2010
30-05-2006, 01:05 PM
Yah, and no one still has a clue, apparently, whether the subsidies should be phased out or continued into the far distant future.

Like I said, it's easy to protest when you don't have responsibility for managing the country's economy in the face of free market ideologies and globalisation.

So, wat's the protests about? Rising income inequality? Opposition to affirmative action? A gut feeling that citizens are being discriminated against? Or a bloody-minded desire to "whack" the government a la Thailand or the Philippines? Or all of the foregoing?

The protestors should at least spell out clearly, without double talk or ambiguity, exactly what their agenda is, and what they want to achieve. Is that too much to ask of the sophisticated intelligentsia who seem to be organising these protests?

:mad:

bobkee
30-05-2006, 01:12 PM
I think it was all of the above. The main public actions over the last 12 months, re: health privatisation, water privatisation, fuel price increase, and now electricity tariff increase, has generally been attempting to highlight the issues mentioned. It's pretty clear from the statements and literature of the organisers.

Unfortunately the mainstream press sees no news value in reporting these incidents in totality and highlighting the concerns of civil society. Maybe that's why our income disparity is THE highest in South East Asia.

sirgalahad2010
30-05-2006, 01:40 PM
Ok, now how should all these be handled, given the fact that Malaysia is facing ever-increasing competition, both regionally, within Asia and globally?

Should we allow unrestricted free market principles to apply and accept the consequent marginalisation of the disadvantaged and the less well-qualified amongst us?

Do we accept the fact that labour is just another production cost that is the easiest cost to cut (raw materials and energy costs are hard to cut) and that companies are "mere collections of assets to be handled with the purpose of maximising shareholder returns?

To quote US economist Robert Lekachman, as quoted by William Pfaff in his article "Business and the 'Trickle-Down' myth": "The ideology of capitalism makes an implicit assertion that inequalities of income and wealth measure, however roughly, the economic contribution of the men and women who embark their energies and resources in the productive process."

jianwei85
30-05-2006, 01:47 PM
well, there goes the globalized economy dream..it will only help the rich to get richer while the poor gets poorer..n the mid class..to work even harder..

bobkee
30-05-2006, 02:47 PM
I think it is taken for granted, albeit very grudgingly, that some of the measures put in place will have to stay in place. The main problem as I see it is that the systemic abuses remain in place and there's no political will to create a more transparent environment that will prevent these type of problems in the future.

slappy
31-05-2006, 11:16 AM
.... Maybe that's why our income disparity is THE highest in South East Asia.

I'm a bit puzzled by this. Comparatively, our income disparity is not that high. Our middle class, the fabric that bind our society, is amongst the largest in SEA ex-S'pore. In Indonesia and Philippines, income disparity is way up high than ours. One needs not travel out of Jakarta to witness this disparity. Just drive along their highway in Jakarta to witness the income divide on both sides of the highway, one with big satelite in the backyard of their bungalows while the others are basically rumah papan ala squatters settlement.

bobkee
31-05-2006, 01:55 PM
Comparatively, our income disparity is not that high. Our middle class, the fabric that bind our society, is amongst the largest in SEA ex-S'pore. In Indonesia and Philippines, income disparity is way up high than ours.The statistics are widely available. The same scenery you described in Jakarta exists here as well. Let me look up the stats and post them.

bobkee
31-05-2006, 04:00 PM
Income Disparity Comparison - South East Asia
Source : United Nations Human Development Report 2005 (http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2005/)

Malaysia
- Poorest 20% : 1.7%
- Richest 20% : 38.4%
- Gini Index : 49.2

Philippines
- Poorest 20% : 2.2%
- Richest 20% : 36.3%
- Gini Index : 46.1

Thailand
- Poorest 20% : 2.5%
- Richest 20% : 33.8%
- Gini Index : 43.2

Singapore
- Poorest 20% : 1.9%
- Richest 20% : 32.8%
- Gini Index : 42.5

Cambodia
- Poorest 20% : 2.9%
- Richest 20% : 33.8%
- Gini Index : 40.4

Laos
- Poorest 20% : 3.2%
- Richest 20% : 30.6%
- Gini Index : 37.0

Vietnam
- Poorest 20% : 3.2%
- Richest 20% : 29.9%
- Gini Index : 37.0

Indonesia
- Poorest 20% : 3.6%
- Richest 20% : 28.5%
- Gini Index : 34.3

Note :
The Gini Index is based on calculations as measured by the common Gini coefficient (http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch4en/meth4en/ch4m1en.html); 0 being perfect equality and 100 being total inequality.

slappy
31-05-2006, 04:59 PM
Income Disparity Comparison - South East Asia
Source : United Nations Human Development Report 2005 (http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2005/)

.....

The Gini Index is based on calculations as measured by the common Gini coefficient (http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch4en/meth4en/ch4m1en.html); 0 being perfect equality and 100 being total inequality.

Sorry, bob. You had me at hello... This Gini Index is really mind-boggling. :confused:

Don't statistics have some simple classifications class by income. That would be easier to relate.

bobkee
31-05-2006, 05:36 PM
Basically it's just the disparity between those that have and those that have not. Our gap is pretty wide (widest in South East Asia it would seem) and this is verifiable by data.