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pucman
07-05-2006, 05:57 PM
I heard that the front loading is better than the top loading.

Can anybody recommend a good front loading washing machine model which is the smallest - 5 kg ?

Which is better in terms of after sales service, power saving , reliability etc - LG or electrolux ?

tictactoe
07-05-2006, 06:24 PM
Front loading is better when it comes to caring for yr clothes. Top loading machines are rougher. I had a top loading LG, after 6 years, pasty stuff ( fabric softener residue ) was stuck around the tub and the machine was totally clogged up. Now I have a front loading electrolux. My clothes seem to wash cleaner and less entangled. Less water is used too. But front loading takes longer to wash and you can't add in clothes once u've started the wash cycle.

bslee
07-05-2006, 07:04 PM
I think I could count the number of washing machines I've had but I've no real regrets going back to a front loader.
I think most tend to buy a top loader simply of the mindset that its fast, efficient an cheaper than Euro made front loaders.

After a few years of having a National top loader and the electronics blew up one lousy day. National did not stock the electronic control module anymore and was costly, I bought an Electrolux thereon. It worked ok, uses very much less water and for 2 years till the drum started to whirr like a helicopter taking off. Called Electrolux and they promptly repaired it within a week and delivered it back all at no cost (under warranty). Its been good eversince.

pucman
07-05-2006, 07:33 PM
After a few years of having a National top loader and the electronics blew up one lousy day. National did not stock the electronic control module anymore and was costly, I bought an Electrolux thereon. It worked ok, uses very much less water and for 2 years till the drum started to whirr like a helicopter taking off. Called Electrolux and they promptly repaired it within a week and delivered it back all at no cost (under warranty). Its been good eversince.

Did you consider LG ? How much did you buy for it ?

bslee
07-05-2006, 07:53 PM
Did you consider LG ? How much did you buy for it ?

At that point in time, I had in mind the good front loaders were somehow made in Italy, as I'd even seen Sanyo having a few of their premium FL machines sourced from Italy. The 1st Philips FL I had was manufactured there too.
I've no experience with Korean made machines except for my LG refrigerator which since 1997 performing well(Spares expensive though! cos the timer kaput and got a exact part for RM30@ pasar rd, Scott & English (agent) was selling for RM80/ without home call charges. I DIY'ed.
Bought for 1.4k I think..the FLoader@HSL Taipan, which I did get some freebies, kettle and a Ka'oke mic + Bonuslink points.
My model is now discontinued, the newer model is modified with a bigger door but functionally very similar. Facelift only lah..

pucman
07-05-2006, 09:28 PM
It seems that nobody tried LG ?

Sentinel
07-05-2006, 10:14 PM
1. Front Loading

2. Electrolux or Lux (pronounce as 'looks')

3. Ensure warranty covers stainless steel drum

4. Wait for factory sales

Firefly
08-05-2006, 12:20 PM
Have been using front loading washing machine for the last 15 years...this is the 3rd unit. The back bearing and oil seal is always the problem. Each repair would leave me with cuts :mad:

Think firefly would switch to a top loading unit when this one dies.

Just a note, the motor of front loading units are universal motors. When the unit stops working it usually only requires a carbon change. Don't be cheated into changing the whole motor.

pucman
08-05-2006, 12:37 PM
Have been using front loading washing machine for the last 15 years...this is the 3rd unit. The back bearing and oil seal is always the problem. Each repair would leave me with cuts :mad:

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May I know which brand you are using that is giving you so many problems.

JoeJaffar
08-05-2006, 02:37 PM
i've recently replaced a daewoo top loader with an LG top loader. the daewoo machine KO'd due to a faulty controller, replacement estimated RM300. the current LG top loader is a bit more stabler and silent than the Daewoo. no problem with it up till today, which is only about a few months old.

bslee
08-05-2006, 03:00 PM
I still prefer front loaders for the following reasons and based on past experience.

1. Quieter operation, but longer operation time, slow but steady.
2. Less water use (dependent on brand/model)
3. Most important, far gentler than TLoader which due to higher spin force, can stretch, strain or tear delicate or older garments. Highly suggested to use laundry bags for delicate garments and not spin dry.
4. Less or no fancy electronics which are more vulnerable to go bust anytime.

Its perhaps ironic that most people in the west prefer or have Front Loaders than Top loaders. Note that commercial machines in laundrettes are still front loaders with a steel drum...your guess is as good as mine!.


Firefly:
If I'm not mistaken, most Front Loaders are fitted with a capacitor start AC motor for drum..NO carbon brushes and maintenance free, having seen most of it myself. And of course like any electric motor, it can burn or capacitor go fart.

Life Ranger
08-05-2006, 03:03 PM
Have been using front loading washing machine for the last 15 years...this is the 3rd unit. The back bearing and oil seal is always the problem. Each repair would leave me with cuts :mad: Think firefly would switch to a top loading unit when this one dies.
I have used my FL (not LUX, just can't recall what brand now) since 1995 and no problem so far :D . Better check if you have ever overloaded the motor/mechanism.. and what brands were they ? I just carried out a couple of self service over the past 10 years like sprayng some belt conditioner and lubricant.

I just noted that a japanese TL I think claims that their machine can perform wrinkle-free after washing..... has anybody checked that out yet ?

siewjang
08-05-2006, 03:42 PM
Top Loading will be a better choice if you live in areas where often experience water supply distruptions. Why? You can still do the washing with the "spare" water by pouring it from the top. You can't do that with Front Loading. Furthermore, you can hand washed what was supposed to hand wash then dump them into the machine at the last cycle for drying. Top loading can double up as a table as the top portion is flat. This is really good point if you really need space.

Con about top loading, it will tangle the clothes but we have the wonder of laundry bag/net. But my mom always say, if old one don't go new one don't come. Buy new clothes lo. Hence, I am now a faithfully 9 years LG top load user. Was hoping that it will die down on me on day (lol). I need a bigger machine. Currently I'm using 4.5kg and can't wash comforter. I needed a 6kg machines.

Another pro about top loading, we can select sizes of washes like S,M, L or XL. With the front load you can't. I'm so much to say about top load. lol

For front load, try not using the temperature washing features as the rubber seal of the front window will deteriorates really fast.

Firefly
08-05-2006, 09:01 PM
First unit was a Elba, 2nd unit a Zainuzzi (spelling ?) now a BOSS. Come to think of it, the latest unit is the worst. Bought from SengHeng. The unit looks like a reconditioned unit. Only after 1.5 years of use, the inlet hose broke and then followed by the outlet hose..the water discharged pump also failed then the bearing. This unit is the worst!!! now after 2.5 years, it's rusting!!!:eek:

pucman
08-05-2006, 10:03 PM
First unit was a Elba, 2nd unit a Zainuzzi (spelling ?) now a BOSS. Come to think of it, the latest unit is the worst. Bought from SengHeng. The unit looks like a reconditioned unit. Only after 1.5 years of use, the inlet hose broke and then followed by the outlet hose..the water discharged pump also failed then the bearing. This unit is the worst!!! now after 2.5 years, it's rusting!!!:eek:

Try hitachi washing machine. I used it for 6 years, never gave me any problems, furthermore stainless steel drum.

Only problem is it is top loading and don't clean as well as front loading.

jtkl
08-05-2006, 11:05 PM
Top Loading will be a better choice if you live in areas where often experience water supply distruptions. Why? You can still do the washing with the "spare" water by pouring it from the top. You can't do that with Front Loading. Furthermore, you can hand washed what was supposed to hand wash then dump them into the machine at the last cycle for drying. Top loading can double up as a table as the top portion is flat. This is really good point if you really need space.

Con about top loading, it will tangle the clothes but we have the wonder of laundry bag/net. But my mom always say, if old one don't go new one don't come. Buy new clothes lo. Hence, I am now a faithfully 9 years LG top load user. Was hoping that it will die down on me on day (lol). I need a bigger machine. Currently I'm using 4.5kg and can't wash comforter. I needed a 6kg machines.

Another pro about top loading, we can select sizes of washes like S,M, L or XL. With the front load you can't. I'm so much to say about top load. lol

For front load, try not using the temperature washing features as the rubber seal of the front window will deteriorates really fast.

If I'm not mistaken, you can actually top up the water for front loaders via the detergent container access albeit with some trouble due to it's size.

bslee
08-05-2006, 11:13 PM
Boss, Elba, Zanussi, I've heard much compaints of going faulty and parts breaking down after a few years. They're mostly OEM from Italy and may somewhat not be top quality. I gambled on a Electrolux and its so far glitch free except mentioned earlier in the thread.
I just came back from Carrefour and there's only one model there priced at RM1.9k..which I think the price has increased since I bought mine some years ago.
I'm not here to pimp Electrolux but whatever brand, hope the distributor support is assured. Buying is the easy part, getting after sales service is another. AND I don't believe in 3rd party repairers who'd likely screw up the machine even further.

Firefly
09-05-2006, 08:17 AM
Oh yes firefly forgot to mention..the drum is stainless steel but it's the body that's rusting. :( LUX, mommy is using one. already 3 years now when the motor stopped working. That's when Firefly found out that it uses a universal (carbon brush) motor.

MOYSC
09-05-2006, 09:17 AM
I heard that the front loading is better than the top loading.

Can anybody recommend a good front loading washing machine model which is the smallest - 5 kg ?

Which is better in terms of after sales service, power saving , reliability etc - LG or electrolux ?


Yes, front loaders are better than top loaders coz it generally cleans better while being more delicate to our laundry.

Electrolux had been a well-known and a reliable brand in washing m/cs. However, its parts are one of the most expensive in the market. Also, its technology has not changed for a while, ie. still using induction motor and a gear box.

LG and many other famous brands (ie. Whirlpool, Maytag, etc.) have started to use the 'direct drive' motor technology for their washing m/cs. Direct-drive means the motor is attached to the bowl and the washing and spin action are controlled electronically - there's no gearbox. No gearbox translates to less noise, fewer parts and improved reliability. It is also extremely water & energy efficient!

In terms of reliability, I'm afraid it can be difficult to comment at the moment, as this new technology is only less than 2 yrs old in our market altho' more than 5 yrs worldwide. However, I heard that LG m/cs are very saleable coz' for its price, some of its models comes with dryer & washer in one! Perfect choice especially for high-rise dwellers whom may not have the luxury of space for drying their laundries.

Hope it helps. :)

Firefly
09-05-2006, 10:51 AM
Electrolux .....still using induction motor and a gear box......
Don't think they use Induction motor (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indmot.html) . If so why do they came over and changed the carbon brush of my Mom's unit?

To know more about the Universal Motor click here. (http://www.gselectric.com/products/universl.asp)

PJS
09-05-2006, 12:07 PM
Electrolux motors are made in Italy. Saw the labels when I turned my machine sideways to re-install the bottom mesh and adjust the feet.

Bearing or motor problems on a front loader happens when u overload, afterall, the bearings are designed for a certain maximum load, if it is overloaded then wear n tear is accelerated.

u may notice some new models upgraded from previous yr model are the same size, but the capacity increased from 5.5kg to 6.5kg? It cld just be an upgrade of motor and bearings to handle higher loads.

Electrolux has 1 or 2 washer+dryer models but terrribly expensive, unless u buy during their warehouse sales-got mine for less than half price, saved almost 2.5k!

Zanussi is a sister brand of Electrolux, most components may be from similar sources.

Firefly
09-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Anyone know where firefly can purchase a new external cover for firefly's front load washing machine? All the innards and the stainless steel drum are already repaired and in tip top condition.

PJS
09-05-2006, 04:02 PM
External panel for a BOSS washing machine? Nvr heard of this brand except i know it's sold in some electrical shops.

Google found only some sites linked to a washing machine maker called Boss in Pakistan :eek:

Some fridge repair shops do a nice paint job, or u can send to a nice car panel beater in SS19 to patch it up?

Firefly
09-05-2006, 04:18 PM
EEK!!!! really :eek:!!!!

Maybe time to really comdame it and buy an Electrolux. :(

CCY
09-05-2006, 04:52 PM
EEK!!!! really :eek:!!!!

Maybe time to really comdame it and buy an Electrolux. :(

Not so fast ...Firefly. If you are still using it , that means the structure is still probably fine. Perhaps you just need to arrest the rusting process by stripping it up and spray a few coats of antirust paint .
I did mine , a panasonic top loader, and it has serve me well for more than 15 years. No further rust progression seen. So far only change one inlet n one outlet solenoid valve n the spares buying at panasonic service center.

Firefly
10-05-2006, 08:48 AM
Already done that many times, still rusting. Give or take maybe another year or so then new unit...:(