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burntan
10-04-2006, 04:36 PM
I mean, you ask for a monthly salary of RM1500 and the company agreed to it, you were happy to get what you wanted, but later find out that all others same rank with you drawing RM2000 and above, which you think is unfair to you. Since you already get what you asked for, do you care?
alexhay
10-04-2006, 04:41 PM
as for me, i will check the market rate for that particular post first.then i will ask..

but if i am in the situation above, for sure i will feel its unfair..

and again, we might not know how long were they working there. they might be started with the RM1500 pay and get a pay increase...
kress
10-04-2006, 04:45 PM
well i don't think its unfair since you settled for less at the beginning of the job.. and it was agreed upon by both parties
Life Ranger
10-04-2006, 04:49 PM
Alex has said the point. They might have started with a lower salary, or they might possess better qualification/experience. Since you have acquired what you need, asking for more now is a greed.

Don't worry you are not paid RM2000. Seek to be worth being paid RM2000. :)
burntan
10-04-2006, 04:53 PM
as for me, i will check the market rate for that particular post first.then i will ask..

but if i am in the situation above, for sure i will feel its unfair..

and again, we might not know how long were they working there. they might be started with the RM1500 pay and get a pay increase...

Please don't get too serious about the example that I am giving, it is just an example to bring out my question. I can give you another example: -

Your mother give you a ringgit a day for pocket money to school, you ask for RM5 and they agreed, later you find out that your mother give your sister RM10 a day. You feel unfair, but since you already get "what you asked for", do you care to be treated unfair?
alexhay
10-04-2006, 04:56 PM
yeah...we are not serious..we are just giving opinion...

as for your senario above, how old is his sister and you ? sometimes age also is the factor that the parents giving pocket money..
kress
10-04-2006, 04:56 PM
Please don't get too serious about the example that I am giving, it is just an example to bring out my question. I can give you another example: -

Your mother give you a ringgit a day for pocket money to school, you ask for RM5 and they agreed, later you find out that your mother give your sister RM10 a day. You feel unfair, but since you already get "what you asked for", do you care to be treated unfair?

it's not unfair... you wanted rm 5.. mom gave rm 5.... the sis probably asked for more and hence got more... what's so unfair? it's only unfair when you ask for rm 10 and mom gave you rm 5.
JackRyan1975
10-04-2006, 04:59 PM
I mean, you ask for a monthly salary of RM1500 and the company agreed to it, you were happy to get what you wanted, but later find out that all others same rank with you drawing RM2000 and above, which you think is unfair to you. Since you already get what you asked for, do you care?

There are 3 profiles of employees in equity theory: Benevolents, Equity Sensitives and Entitleds. A Benevolent would not mind the RM1500 and would work as hard, Equity Sensitives would feel slighted and probably work less to balance up the negative inequity or look for another job, whilst an Entitled would feel unfairness even if he is paid RM2,500. Rate yourself which do you fit in. Otherwise it's argument till kingdom come on the notion of fairness.
burntan
10-04-2006, 05:02 PM
yeah...we are not serious..we are just giving opinion...

as for your senario above, how old is his sister and you ? sometimes age also is the factor that the parents giving pocket money..

They are same age (twin), go to same school in the same class. Mother just love the sister more and automatically offer her more. Fair? but what more important is not fair or not fair, that's not my question, my question is do you "care"? Do you mind? Can you accept it, since "you already get what you asked for"?
burntan
10-04-2006, 05:05 PM
There are 3 profiles of employees in equity theory: Benevolents, Equity Sensitives and Entitleds. A Benevolent would not mind the RM1500 and would work as hard, Equity Sensitives would feel slighted and probably work less to balance up the negative inequity or look for another job, whilst an Entitled would feel unfairness even if he is paid RM2,500. Rate yourself which do you fit in. Otherwise it's argument till kingdom come on the notion of fairness.

How about you? Which profile are you in? Can you accept it and work happily?
burntan
10-04-2006, 05:08 PM
it's not unfair... you wanted rm 5.. mom gave rm 5.... the sis probably asked for more and hence got more... what's so unfair? it's only unfair when you ask for rm 10 and mom gave you rm 5.

How about the truth is the mother just love the sister more, and she always give her the double of what you asked for? Fair? Acceptable?
JackRyan1975
10-04-2006, 05:08 PM
How about you? Which profile are you in? Can you accept it and work happily?

That would depend on the outcome of my negotiation with my bosses and after weighing all other factors.
kress
10-04-2006, 05:10 PM
How about the truth is the mother just love the sister more, and she always give her the double of what you asked for? Fair? Acceptable?

if i have enough to live on, then yes...
burntan
10-04-2006, 05:14 PM
That would depend on the outcome of my negotiation with my bosses and after weighing all other factors.

If you going to negotiate with your boss "again", that's mean you already feel unfair and have the "need" to re-negotiate, right?

Consider all other factors are same, the others workers actually come in the same batch as you and they are all with the same qualification and experience like you. If the boss refuse to negotiate with your again, do you feel unfair? Can you still work that happily since you did get what you asked for?
cherry
10-04-2006, 05:17 PM
Well, my situation is different... I'm getting quite high for this position for a non-executive level (the tricky part - may not be able to enjoy the privilage of executive position in term of annual leaves, medical & hopitalisation claim) and I do feel left out because I'm not entitle to join any meeting or even share my ideas. At first it didn't bother me because I'm getting what I've ask for but I felt like I'm an outcast and don't really enjoy the working here since there's no challenge and I believe that I can do more for the company. Well, I found out that I'm not the only one (Secretary to the GM also doing general work and she's getting quite high compared to the amount of work she's doing and she's not happy too just like me...)

To answer your question, from my experience its not only the amount of salary you withdraw its the total experience of working with the company. Whether you feel happy with your job and bring good vibes to your peers ansd co-workers. Productivity and performance always comes with employees satisfaction. Once your superior see these potential in you.. I'm sure he/she would definitely give a good raise to you and you can even name your price (of course back with documented proof). Now who would have the last laugh...

My 1 cent.
JackRyan1975
10-04-2006, 05:17 PM
If you going to negotiate with your boss "again", that's mean you already feel unfair and have the "need" to re-negotiate, right?

No need for you to know how I feel lar. You gave the scenario, I gave you the model. Use it to decide how you should feel. I'm sure you don't need feedback to tailor your feelings accordingly.
chin_wan
10-04-2006, 05:34 PM
IMHO, the world is never fair so why bother with it. However, I would try to make the situation as fair as possible for all parties involved. The question I would ask is not about fairness but I would ask if what I did had benefited the people around me. This is one of the reason why I don't condone revenge.

Here is a good quote from Buddha that summarise this.

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. --Buddha
burntan
10-04-2006, 05:38 PM
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. --Buddha

I guess you found it in some kind of "religious books" right? Do we still need to believe it?