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kwchang
09-04-2006, 01:14 AM
Well, the last exodus into Lepak Corner had mixed reactions. One of the reasons was the negative connotations. Then I remember someone suggested "chatterbox". I think that is a good name for a sub-forum.

Now I will put it to you people to give me some comments. Let me give you a preamble to start the discussion...

Some of you long enough on the forum will remember that this usj dot com forum was initially set up to enable residents of USJ and SJ to discuss issues. It actually started on a platform of an issue for the rate payers and it did help in the communications process. In time, this forum evolved and became a very useful soapbox for many problems that we encountered. However, if you had read the Rules, the forum does not favour anyone starting up a chit-chat session within a thread meant to handle a community issue. As such, it can appear that chatting would dilute the seriousness of the forum.

We did however allowed for a number of chat threads to appear and evolve. The Rules did not say that a chat thread cannot be set up - it only disallowed people from chatting mid-way in a serious thread. As time went on, we can see that chats do bring people together as evidenced by at least one long-standing "TT" session and recently the start of the Cupid Club.

You will see that we have started various "channels" or sub-fora to gather topics of similar interest. As such we have Cari-Makan, Book Corner, Pet's Corner, Layman's Computer Helpdesk, Photography and so forth. Henceforth why not a Chatterbox? Let me place the exclusively "chat" threads in here so that the frequenters have their club space.

Please do not take this as a banishment as wrongly suggested in the Lepak Corner discussion. Far from that. This is in fact the recognition of the popularity of such threads ... just like when we allowed for the Jokes sub-forum so the jokers in you have a place of your own.

Now, your views on this?

orchipalar
09-04-2006, 03:49 AM
Err...dear Chang:)...lets take few possible scenarios...into considerations...

In cases of emergencies...patients could be needing urgent blood or financial donations...seeking the urgent attentions from the potential donors/contributors...n the threads would mostly be highlighted in the main forum...but should there be any existence of a few too many of...err...chat topics in hot discussions going on during the same period of time...the same emergency threads appealing for help...could have been bumped down n away from the 1st page of the mainforum thread index...

n those concerned critical threads...might not capture the much needed attentions from the potential donors/contributors among many forum members n readers...which is in effect...a down side of having chat topics...remaining to be present n active in the 1st mainforum thread index pages...

Secondly...with the same reasons in mind...important thread announcements of any road works/closures/congestions...or traffic diversions...happening in the relevant areas of the community...which would pose inconveniences or hazards to many road users in the same community...could likely be affected badly...

Thirdly...other safety or security related threads...being posted in the main forum page...such as highlighting any cases of robbery or theft...reports of impending bad weather conditions...or floodings...or even in any remote cases of factory/household fire...then the effectiveness of which...could be much affected as well...

Last but not least...posted annoucements of utilities supply disruptions...such as water cuts or rationings...n electricity supply breakdowns in areas...could be affected with the same potential problems also...

alexhay
09-04-2006, 07:51 AM
My point of view..

If the chatterbox is created just for chatting only, I will see that the sub forum will have less visitor. Is hard to start a topic for chatting only.

If we post it in the main thread with a question or an announment, from there, we could see forumers giving their point of view and from there, the chat started.

For example, Cupid Club, I started it of with just a question and it have a good respond.

And you will have to do more work by monitoring the forum and moving thread to the sub forum...

Just my dua sen opinion..

bugbear
09-04-2006, 09:55 AM
I concur with alexhay. If people want to chat then there are so many chat forum in the internet nowadays. Mostly it is for the younger generation. In fact if forumer want to chat among themselves, they can always PM each other.

However i do see your point about some thread that turn serious topic into chatting session. This can dilute the seriousness of the topic. Either you come down hard on these practices or appoint more moderators to cut out chatterbox. Jeff ooi can be very effective to clamp down on dissent on his blog why can't it be here. Over to you uncle chang.

leewinnie46
09-04-2006, 10:27 AM
If color is permitted, some highly important thread should be highlighted with red color text, then yellow and green.....

just a colourful thought of mine

La Vida Loca
09-04-2006, 10:45 PM
Mr.Chang, its a good idea. I'm sorry to say that the forum is getting more like a kopitiam discussion between people with a lot of leisure time. Some of us don't feel the need to read about

1. Forumers fantasies with Angelina Jolie, Kiera Knightly or other alluring women way out of their league
2. Forumers picking up women especially by admitting they are MBA
3. Forumers shoe polishing one another i.e. "oh you're so cute", no no you're cuter, i have muscles you know, i shouldn't wear sleeveless"
4. Escapades of multiple personality forumers i.e. "Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson are just jealous of my success"
5. Forumers hijacking a serious thread and turning it into a self-promotion platform i.e. "I'm sensitive and romantic because my mom told me the story of the princess and the rabbit on the moon when i was little boy"
6. Forumers expressing their displeasure with the government by posting one liners i.e. "I just love this country (sarcasm), Malaysia Boleh"
7. Forumers feeling guilty of not dieting

I think I can go on the whole night. There's so many methods of getting to know one another online like IMs, group chats, PM. Lets practice some discretion over your personal lives. Some of us here are really not interested at all and because some forumers are so good at multitasking (i'm being nice), their postings overwhelmed threads like virus, making it hard for some of us to follow the discussion which initially has a true sense of purpose and mission.

And Mr.Chang, as per the earlier "lepak corner" thread, some forumers are gonna get defensive i.e. "if that is the case, then thread A should be moved to the chatterbox, move thread B as well since there's no real contribution to the community".

Its so hard isn't it, trying to please everyone.

expat1609
09-04-2006, 11:07 PM
the way i see it, and the way i use usj.com.my, i log on to usj.com.my then click on Web Forum, followed by clicking New Posts.
i understand that i see threads that i did not view before (including old threads with new posts i did not view before) and also the location of the thread on the rihgt side of my screen.
so i don't see any threads disappearing, as long as the titles remain the same.
and there is still the sticky one, doesn't it keep highly important and urgent threads on top of the list?
to decide what thread belongs where i see as the admins duty and we forumers have to accept it, like it or not. at the end it are the admins who are responsible to keep the forum "clean" and enforce the rules of it.

i really do not care if my fav. puzzle thread is in the main forum, in a box or in a corner, it still has the same value for me, and who says if one loves a thread so much and finds it important, the same thread is important and relevant for the whole community ?

take it easy, no reason for big arguments at all, is it??

alexhay
09-04-2006, 11:14 PM
We are all here to have fun and chat. We all have the time to come in here and have fun.

Everyone have a choice to read or not to read that particular thread. The things that we said here can be serious or not serious.

When is a serious topic of discussion going on, you can notice that what ever we post there are logical and make sense...

I strongly believe that Mr Chang is doing the right thing over here....

SunwayKid
09-04-2006, 11:44 PM
La Vida Loca......very well presented.

Now, I have nothing against people who want to chat. And if you can find the time to chat, that's your business. I have no interest in being hit with so many chat threads, which are insidious and overwhelmed some of the issues that were initially being discussed. And to expect equal treatment with other community issues in the main forum is beyond logical comprehension.


"oh you're so cute", no no you're cuter...." Like you, La Vida Loca, I cringe when I hear things like that. To think that these chatters are spouting their own agenda in front of other forumers here.I would have thought writers would want to keep their private lives private.

No offense to the fine people at usj forum. It is entirely possible that all the chat makes perfect sense and I am just dumb. The important thing to me, though is that you, Chang as the mod, need to do what you need to do. I say we round up all the chat threads, put them into micro communities and let nature takes its course. And most importantly, they will be out of the main forum forever and usj main forum can go back to the way it was before- 100% chat free or at least 99%.

kwchang
10-04-2006, 12:18 AM
Monday is when people are back online from their office links. That is when I expect a lot of flak from supporters of chat who may feel marginalised.

Let me repeat my statement that this is NOT any form of banishment but a location of topics to their assigned sub-forums. I am just keeping the original intention of making the main forum accessible for community issues which may serve discussions on traffic, blood donations, land issues, traffic problems and so forth. I am sure tha is clear. This was the point that Orchi was trying to make as well above.

As for Alexhay's concern that some potential chatter may not find the chat sub-forum, I can help by putting up a sticky post in the main forum to redirect searchers to the location. I think this should be a fair compromise? Furthermore, expat's point on the use of "New Posts" is a timely reminder of what I had already said in the discussions on the lepak corner last week.

May I reassure that chatters that if I had disapproved of chat threads, I would have stopped it long ago. I am doing all I can to help you energetic young folks maintain a corner for your favourite pasttime. In time it will be a destination to easily search for new chats that may evolve. I will however move new chats that appear in the main-forum or elsewhere to the chatterbox.

LaVidaLoca and sunwaykid - my friends, you need not have been so graphic. I am sure everyone know of the point being made. To be fair, one man's meat is another's poison. Cest La Vive (did I get that right?). Since I have already pointed out their errors in judgement, may I request that no flame wars get fanned this direction?

I am sorry leewinnie, the current forum engine does not allow for colours to identify thread types. It is a good idea by the way. Thanks

Bugbear, I work by the rules that have been agreed upon by Jeff and the other moderators. As I had said, there is no rule against "chat" being on a thread of its own. So we do not need to cull the chat threads. In Jeff's screenshots, his policing of the blog comments is centered on sensitive issues which is not different from what we are doing here.

mon
10-04-2006, 12:48 AM
You will see that we have started various "channels" or sub-fora to gather topics of similar interest. As such we have Cari-Makan, Book Corner, Pet's Corner, Layman's Computer Helpdesk, Photography and so forth. Henceforth why not a Chatterbox? Let me place the exclusively "chat" threads in here so that the frequenters have their club space.


Chang. May I. Just my 2 cents. Having read the replies and views from Orchi, Alex, Expat, Sunway, La Vida Loca and Bugbear, I believe you should have come to a decisive resolution. May I suggest the final decision to be decided by you and you alone. Let's not allow others to sway your decision. It could be a good move to some, it could be a bad idea for the others but you have to do what you deem best for the forum. It takes hard work to be a moderator of this forum (you are an outstanding moderator by the way), not for the faint-hearted or emotionally sensitive. So stick to your earliest decisions. Chatterbox? So be it.

leewinnie46
10-04-2006, 12:59 AM
Wow, look like "human right" in not fully exercise in this forum .....

kwchang
10-04-2006, 01:05 AM
Please tell us how human rights have been violated?

leewinnie46
10-04-2006, 01:07 AM
no right to voice out in front of a computer......

kwchang
10-04-2006, 01:12 AM
I don't see how anyone's rights have been taken away.
The issue here is the repositioning of chat threads. We are not removing chat threads nor are we stopping chat threads. This is the point I am trying to make very clear.

leewinnie46
10-04-2006, 01:39 AM
Dear Chang,

The above statement is meant for others to consider.

But i have long witness a very fair administrator in this forum who scratch his head to find the best solution, who seek different opinion before making a final decision.

Teeque
10-04-2006, 02:10 AM
Chang, I understand your intentions for creating sub-fora for better housekeeping, categorizing and repositioning 'chat' elements so as not to affect more 'serious' issues. But as most hv highlighted before, it is fine if this Chatterbox thread remains in the Main Forum. But the moment you remove this thread and place it into the sub forum, you also take away the most vital aspect of this forum in relation to the threads. The audience. Without this key aspect, whatever the thread is, it is very much pointless. Take for instance the Love thread. Essentially, it is a more of a chat thread but delving deeper, it may be someone actually crying for help. Recently, chat discussions hv even moved on to a life-threatening level - suicide. Now is that serious or chat? OK, so no one has stated any intention of taking his/her life yet but what if there is that line of thought or possibility? And lets say this thread is placed into a sub forum and someone actually posted a suicide/cry for help note. Without an audience, this person may actually do the worse.

As in any newly devised policy or regulations, it is imperative that there are clear definitions of terms or acts which constitutes that policy/regulation. In our case here, there must be clear definitions for what is serious and what is chat. But in forums, you would hv note that there are so many grey areas. Then how do you define those? Because forums involve people of all class and walks of life - some serious ppl and some not so serious ppl - particpating in forums, there are bound to be grey areas. Isnt it difficult to classify people into certain threads they can participate in and those they cant. And since this is a public and community forum, wouldnt we be practising discrimination?

Obviously, more thought and feedback must be gathered before we change things ard here. I think the most important aspect would be the audience of the forum. By making things difficult for the audience, we may lose them. For some, this forum has been their second home, third home or their only home (in extreme cases) so the ppl in here are family to them. Like all families, we eat and talk abt everything under the sun at the Main table. One day, the head of the family decreed that the family only talk abt 'serious' issues and cannot chat during dinner at the Main table. For chatting purposes, a table has been arranged at the back of the kitchen. Now how would that person feel if he is being 'repositioned' to the back of the kitchen?

mon
10-04-2006, 02:32 AM
Wow, look like "human right" in not fully exercise in this forum .....
I believe it has been very loud and clear in the other thread started by Chang (Lepak Korner) that he should not practise double standards. I have the confidence he has got the message and I also believe you have all read the posts made by Jose and the others about moving all 'chatty' threads and not selectively just a few. Or else, Chang would have to stick to his earlier decision to just leave them alone. Just let him do his job and see how he fairs from there. Fair enough?


Ok. Let's just say if our threads are not being move back to main forum is oke. At least change the name of sub-forum. Lepak really don't sound nice. Hmmm .. maybe can be change to Small Talk Cafe?
Now. This is one thing Kokomo has requested and Chang has changed it. I'm serious about this. Chatterbox is more appropriate than Lepak Korner. Step one.
Step two. See what kind of threads are deemed as 'chatty' (the ones to be moved) and from there on we could give our views again.
Step three. If we think Chang has done a lousy job (or in any case of practising double standards) we could all go wringle his neck and pull all his hair out ok??

mon
10-04-2006, 02:59 AM
Take for instance the Love thread. Essentially, it is a more of a chat thread but delving deeper, it may be someone actually crying for help. Recently, chat discussions hv even moved on to a life-threatening level - suicide. Now is that serious or chat?

I agree with you Teeque. Love Hurts is a fine thread. It has a deeper meaning for those who posted. As well as a few others started by the young ones. Therefore let's see what's in store for us. Till Chang finalizes and concludes everything. Life could indeed become simpler than this. Aren't we glad we don't have to lift a finger to do anything while Chang has to scratch his head wondering which thread to move or stay huh.

Teeque
10-04-2006, 03:15 AM
We wish Life would be simpler and kind to us...hehe.

But how do you classify grey areas anyway? Grey and In-between Corner?

Aiseh...if it aint broken, dont fix it lor. rite chang? ;)

mon
10-04-2006, 03:19 AM
We wish Life would be simpler and kind to us...hehe.

But how do you classify grey areas anyway? Grey and In-between Corner?

Aiseh...if it aint broken, dont fix it lor. rite chang? ;)

Who knows, Chang (he deserves the right to the final say) might end up not moving anything at all! To keep us deliriously happy? :D or mad!! like this :mad:

SunwayKid
10-04-2006, 09:05 AM
Chang- parehaps there was no intention to offend the fine people here. The point I was trying to put through, and if I may repeat here....


The important thing to me, though is that you, Chang as the mod, need to do what you need to do.

There was no hesitation when you dealt with the political commentators, neither was there any pause when you moved the health warnings, and you did not even think twice when you dispense the fruits from your plantation, and yet, you have brought this subject up again and again, once in Lepak and now here, parehaps trying to accomodate everyone.

Someone one said.......You can please some people most of the time, most people, some of the time but you can't please everyone all the time. And if I may borrow Nike tagline, JUST DO IT, whatever you need to do. And if there is nothing you need to do, then let it be and move on. It's another beautiful morning.

:)

mon
10-04-2006, 09:10 AM
I'm sorry to say that the forum is getting more like a kopitiam discussion between people with a lot of leisure time. Some of us don't feel the need to read about

1. Forumers fantasies with Angelina Jolie, Kiera Knightly or other alluring women way out of their league
2. Forumers picking up women especially by admitting they are MBA
3. Forumers shoe polishing one another i.e. "oh you're so cute", no no you're cuter, i have muscles you know, i shouldn't wear sleeveless"
4. Escapades of multiple personality forumers i.e. "Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson are just jealous of my success"
5. Forumers hijacking a serious thread and turning it into a self-promotion platform i.e. "I'm sensitive and romantic because my mom told me the story of the princess and the rabbit on the moon when i was little boy"
6. Forumers expressing their displeasure with the government by posting one liners i.e. "I just love this country (sarcasm), Malaysia Boleh"
7. Forumers feeling guilty of not dieting

Of course, there has been scenarios whereby some serious threads were being infiltrated by chats which I believe Chang, would not allow.

But.
La Vida Loca. I have read your 'graphical' comments earlier and was instantaneously flabbergasted at the way you had singled out your 1-7 comments. I did not comment but that didn't mean that I, had agreed to what you have said. Not like as if it mattered much to the others anyway (they have ALL kept silent and did not bring about ANY comments at all which truly was amazing) but I'm sorry to have to say this now.
You have gone a bit too far and really a bit too much. If you had not liked the 'small talks' between the forumers, just don't click on that particular matter. It is as simple as not reading it. And those 'small talk' threads have led to successful real-life meetings and are ice-breakers. So now, please, there was really no need for your kindself to make such comments. I personally see them as personal attacks. I'd only suggest you apologize. I hope this is not too much of an unreasonable request.
Thank you.

kress
10-04-2006, 09:23 AM
Hmmm.. I have to concur with Orchi. I think that moving the chat threads to a sub forum (we get a new house… yay :D ) will benefit the community as a whole since those that want serious discussions can look in the main thread while us chatters can have our own place.

JackRyan1975
10-04-2006, 09:27 AM
Sigh...even a forum is not devoid of politics. This place has been doing a good job providing breathing space to those who wish to get away from the grind at work as an avenue to discuss community matters. But seems that there are rumblings that the regulars have nothing better to do or only logs in during office hours and not oiling the wheels of industry. Such silly presumptions, really.

bugbear
10-04-2006, 10:08 AM
Chang, I do agree with sunwaykid that sometime, one has to do what has to be done. I have no problem in moving the chat thread to the chatterbox or whatever corner there is. Fine. C'est la vive.

PeterHng
10-04-2006, 10:14 AM
Chang, I've made my view clear in the Lepak Corner. I think you've done the right thing to hear out the various views being put forth. Whatever you decide I'd support you. We must give Chang the lilberty and final say in those grey areas threads where it borders chat and serious discussion (mixtures). You can choose to put it in the main forum for discussion sake. You do your job Chang and we would respect your decision. Btw, do you all know that Chang is not paid a penny?? It's a voluntary job.. ;)

ginaphan
10-04-2006, 10:55 AM
For me, it doesn't matter either way. I will respect your decision as it is not a big issue. Just like Cari Makan and Recipes, we all know where to go when it was moved.

But the chatter threads do have an indirect contribution. It allows some breathing space as JackRyan said. The chatting allows people to get to know each other (not only for cupic club purposes) which makes the forum friendlier (most times). And as mon says, everyone has a choice of whether to click on that thread or not. I have to admit that I don't go into some threads that don't interest me. But sometimes, ..... the interest can get built up. For example, the Word Association Game. I ignored it for the longest time. Then one day, I decided to participate and I have enjoyed it since the postings are so funny - quickie fixes to a bad day.

Besides, sometimes a thread starts serious and evolve into some trivial chatter after a while. And vice versa. Lots of work deciding on a case by case basis. Besides, it's good to allow the threads to move between one and another since that's how our mind works at times.

Either way, it's ok with me. I guess if the main area becomes too cluttered with chatter, then it may be worth doing it.

Hope this helps. Thanks for everything you have done and are doing for us.

kokomo
10-04-2006, 12:47 PM
Of course, there has been scenarios whereby some serious threads were being infiltrated by chats which I believe Chang, would not allow.

But.
La Vida Loca. I have read your 'graphical' comments earlier and was instantaneously flabbergasted at the way you had singled out your 1-7 comments. I did not comment but that didn't mean that I, had agreed to what you have said. Not like as if it mattered much to the others anyway (they have ALL kept silent and did not bring about ANY comments at all which truly was amazing) but I'm sorry to have to say this now.
You have gone a bit too far and really a bit too much. If you had not liked the 'small talks' between the forumers, just don't click on that particular matter. It is as simple as not reading it. And those 'small talk' threads have led to successful real-life meetings and are ice-breakers. So now, please, there was really no need for your kindself to make such comments. I personally see them as personal attacks. I'd only suggest you apologize. I hope this is not too much of an unreasonable request.
Thank you.

I agree wif you, Mon. La Vida Loca .. you did once also posted in Cupid Club there looking for a male companion born in the year of Rabbit. Now isn't that a personal side of you and you commenting it in here same as everyone else? All I can tell is, you're a bit off. And totally anti-social. Sorry to hv said that out but you're such a person. Is not wrong for other forumers to be close wif 1 another and to come out for few gathering sessions, and to comment bout each other. If you're not like us, we're also fine wif it. But don't comment bout others how they should be posting .. what should be posted and what shouldn't be posted.

Chang, I got no problem if you really wanna move all my threads to Chatterbox. My purpose of thread is to bring ppl together and as well out of the shell. That's why most of us are close together. Just my 2 sens.

kwchang
10-04-2006, 01:10 PM
Kokomo, I was just about to get the inscriber to put yr name on a ripe banana but thought I'd better warn you NOT to get personal again. No matter what LaVidaLoca said, I did chastise him/her and requested no flames. Peace man.

I thank everyone for their feedbacks / support and bric-bats. I now know where stand.

May I reiterate that what I am doing will establish chat in the usj website altho' it should stay within its own sub-forum. Nothing wrong with that if you can see how successful Patrick's Cari-Makan had become. No one had any problems finding it.

I believe everyone should learn to use the "New Posts" link in the blue-bar above all the forum pages. However, those who would not like to see chat-threads appearing (since they are so actively posted), they should click on the other sub- or main-forum areas only. Hope that isn't too confusing.

JackRyan1975
10-04-2006, 01:16 PM
I thank everyone for their feedbacks / support and bric-bats. I now know where stand.

Hope I'm not asking too much, but what's the poll result like? Is it aggregated with an earlier poll you did at "Lepak Korner" thread?

kokomo
10-04-2006, 01:37 PM
Chang, I leave it to your hand to decide & my guess is, you've already decided on what to do next.

My apology to LVL for this attack but I don't think I'm wrong. She does deserve it. Be it if not for me who posted it , it would hv been others.

Now, I leave it to you Chang. I believe you can help us make things easier in here wif some amendment ya.

La Vida Loca
10-04-2006, 01:43 PM
Okay, so I've been very graphical but I'm not gonna apologise because that's exactly what is happening in the forum. Mon and Kokomo, you have your opinion and I have mine. I wasn't targetting anyone in particular but if you feel it was a personal attack meant for you then you just have to get over it because like the malay saying which goes "siapa makan cili dia rasa pedas".

You know what Teeque, I honestly still believe that in spite of the chat nature of threads like Cupid Club, Love Hurts there might be some forumers seeking for help, not amounting to suicide but they just need to be reassured and comforted. That's why i still clicked on those threads hoping to see "light" but there's really a whole lot of small talk to go through. At the end of the day, all the serious forumers are not going to visit those threads anymore because of the exclusiveness potrayed by some groups of forumers and we know, pardon my language it's all full of crap.

Dear Kokomo, of course i remember posting my lonely hearts ad ha ha. Were there any replies to that posting? That's for me to know and you to find out. But the point I'm stressing here is that that I didn't turn that thread into 9 episodes of "Simple Life" starring La Vida Loca as the next Paris Hilton. I've used the PM and IM for my social life thank you. And I'm not imposing onto you to do the same but maybe it's not a bad idea, what do you think?

Chang, sorry ah. Wasn't intending to fan the flame wars but being called anti-social is just too presumptious of some people.

mon
10-04-2006, 02:02 PM
Okay, so I've been very graphical but I'm not gonna apologise because that's exactly what is happening in the forum. Mon and Kokomo, you have your opinion and I have mine.


Yes La Vida Loca. You don't have to apologize. Because we would not accept it anymore. There is no justification to your earlier sarcasm (no personal attacks izzit? OK.) and now, and that, like you've said, to each his/her own opinion. Huh? How ironic.
Anyhow, we would still forget about it. Promise. There is no right or wrong about the choice of words that spew out of someone's mouth. It's just that some people are insensitive and 'unclever' so to speak, offending more as they speak. Peace La Vida Loca. May the blessings of the cicaks be with you. (Jack's style) Just kidding la. Hey. Smile a bit la. Don't be so uptight huh. :)

JackRyan1975
10-04-2006, 02:04 PM
May the blessings of the cicaks be with you. (Jack's style) Just kidding la.

Funny eh...royalty charges applies you know. :D

orchipalar
10-04-2006, 03:24 PM
Err...ahem...why Orchi could smell...the presence of quiet a bit of gunpowder in here...:confused:

Ahem...dear Chang:) has repeated himself...he is NOT taking any threads away...err...or rather...he is contemplating of moving them...to the appropriate room...but still within the same home mah...:)

kokomo
10-04-2006, 03:41 PM
Okay, so I've been very graphical but I'm not gonna apologise because that's exactly what is happening in the forum. Mon and Kokomo, you have your opinion and I have mine. I wasn't targetting anyone in particular but if you feel it was a personal attack meant for you then you just have to get over it because like the malay saying which goes "siapa makan cili dia rasa pedas".

Dear Kokomo, of course i remember posting my lonely hearts ad ha ha. Were there any replies to that posting? That's for me to know and you to find out. But the point I'm stressing here is that that I didn't turn that thread into 9 episodes of "Simple Life" starring La Vida Loca as the next Paris Hilton. I've used the PM and IM for my social life thank you. And I'm not imposing onto you to do the same but maybe it's not a bad idea, what do you think?


I just realise I regretted to made a public apology in here. I shall re-draw back my apologies to LVL. In my opinion, I do think u hv forumers replyin' it to you but am not interested to know who and how many did it. I'm seriously happy for you that you actually do hv a small part of your social life here. Whether you use PM or IM for your social life that's a very good start. In reality, we do actually come out & meet face to face for drinks and social life. Thank you for your suggestion but it doesn't work that way for me with a community in here.

I'll still keep to my opinion. Chang, there isn't any personal attack here but only to reason wif some forumers here.

kokomo
10-04-2006, 03:45 PM
Winnie, you're not in any way did anything wrong. Don't hv to say sorry to any forumers in here.

Just remember, you hv your opinion and they hv theirs. Whatever apologies you made also , ppl don't appreciate it in here and it's a total waste of time apoligising it to them.

In general, we stick true to what we think it's right. :cool:

Rocky19
10-04-2006, 04:54 PM
gunpowder...more like WMD lah.

People are getting very sensitive. Why get all jumpy? Talk about some ppl, orang lain pulak marah. Relaxlah.Like orchi said it is about moving threads, not deleting them. You can chat away in the sub forum and if you can't find the sub forum, too bad lah.And some are already taking on behalf of others by using 'we'.

Chang,

I tend to agree with Sunway. Just do it as you did with other threads. period. You can't satisfy everyone including those who shower you with praises.

my concern is the quality of the posting the forum. seems to be on a down trend.

BTW we may think we are right, but sometimes we are not. Thus best not to stick to much to being right,lets find out whether we are right or wrong. Sahe opinions.

Peace to all.

La Vida Loca
10-04-2006, 05:01 PM
I've pretty much said my piece. I'm not interested in getting sent to the plantation for arguing. Even if i was, i would rather it be for something controversial like bashing my local ADUN, which i'm not gonna start here.

Having said so, forumers would notice that there's a heavy dose of herd mentality going on. Its up for the community to decide if its healthy or not. I shall refrain from being graphical again.

Mon, I am smiling. I'm on leave today by the way. It has been very entertaining exchanging opinions with you and kokomo. Thank the cicak for his blessing will ya.

Have fun ya, bye.

kwchang
10-04-2006, 05:13 PM
FYI I have already scolded Mon via PM for her outburst today. Can't do it online as I am busy. No favours, everyone gets an earful if they break the rules.

As for the praises, may I remind you people that I do not do this to win a popularity contest. It is simply a job to be done. Period. i have been drawn and quartered before, hence my Malaysian rhinocerous skin gets thicker by the day.

I need to go ... got to run my taxi service now. Will get on to relocating some of the chatty threads tonight. Thank you for your feedback and for those who agreed to my suggestion ... makes my job easier. For those who may find it difficult to change, stay on, you will like it eventually. We have very friendly people in USJ/SJ.

One important point to remember ... sometimes people sound stuck-up or arrogant but the fault is in the way they posted. It is not easy to sound friendly or smiley in text. Hence go to the TT sessions and meet each other and you will find them friendlier than you perceived online.

leewinnie46
10-04-2006, 05:20 PM
Winnie, you're not in any way did anything wrong. Don't hv to say sorry to any forumers in here.

Just remember, you hv your opinion and they hv theirs. Whatever apologies you made also , ppl don't appreciate it in here and it's a total waste of time apoligising it to them.

In general, we stick true to what we think it's right. :cool:
kokomo, in my philosophy of life,

i tell sorry when 1) i am truly sorry for what i have done 2) to say sorry not because i offence the other party but sometimes sorry for someone who so stubborn and self center.

don't blame them, but try to encourage them, life is not living in a square house, even when the square house have been removed, ppl would already get use to the life in a square house without realise..... - a habit is form.

someone told me this, a lady or women get angry or mad - she is asking for breast cancer. a man or men get angry or mad - she would be attack with Liver disease
STAY COOL :cool: or else either part won't make your life perfect :D .

CHANG i truly understand an admin job is not as simple as that, imagine having numberous of kids with different character, how to get them to follow the rules..... appreciate that you sacrifice your time with family to take care of bigger bunch of ppl here :p

__________________________________________________ ______________
forgive and forget make one's feel better in the inner heart - leewinnie 's philosophy

alexhay
10-04-2006, 05:21 PM
I agree with Chang..come to TT session or Cupid Session...bet you will have fun with all these crazy people...

I met some great friends like firefly, kokomo, sakaibear, suleenlena, orchi, kwchang, patrick, satish, pcyeoh, bobkee, kakilang, evecyanide, ss19flyover, arwen, dreamer, kress. smwh and etc....

nice to meet you guys

orchipalar
10-04-2006, 05:27 PM
Err...yeah Rocky:) is right...there is no need to get agitated...n draw out the pieces too abruptly...it could misfire...n in the process...possible that people gets hurt.

Ahem...having said that...as Chang has said...meeting up regularly has tighten up much closer bond amongst many forumers...

PeterHng
10-04-2006, 05:30 PM
I need to go ... got to run my taxi service now.

Chang, you are at it again. Still want to run your taxi business. You wan to mislead me again ah. :p :D

Jose Mourinho
10-04-2006, 06:40 PM
Kokomo, in my philosophy of life, life is not living in a square house, even when the square house have been removed, ppl would already get use to the life in a square house without realise..... - a habit is form.

Profound words of great wisdom. I really appreciate the 'life is not living in a square house'. If only people would pause and listen but I guess it is just too much to ask. Very similar philosophies in books of John Irving, The Door in the Floor and The Cider House Rules.

Thank you for sharing.

For some, there is always Charles Lukman's book called How Not To Be An Ass****.

leewinnie46
10-04-2006, 08:15 PM
Jose,

i don't read as much book as other do, as like i say earlier, i failed my spm=gce, the subject grade of 7,8,9..... but i enjoy my life while learning to be humble to all friend that i have ....

mon
10-04-2006, 08:33 PM
Yes it's true. Chang scolded me. :) His pm was on high alert when I retrieved it. I told him I would keep my cool as I've said my peace with LaVidaLoca. Kinda. And bestowed upon him/her the blessings of all the cicaks in the world. So it was truly me, just being myself, speaking my mind aloud, wondering why would someone single out just a few, to hit on, when all Chang needed, was just sincere views before he acted upon his decisions to move some threads. And I've also told Chang earlier that if he were to have 12 Mons in the forum acting and behaving in the strangest way every single day, he would have hell of a time. That was a joke. Someone actually told me that. :)

Now, I'm only speaking on behalf of myself and I alone. I retract my "we" to "I" as some of you might have felt offended. Bewilders me, I was thinking that all along "we" (I'm only saying this to the real "we") (you know who you are) had the same notions and opinions. Beats me. Truly amazing. :)

Jose Mourinho
10-04-2006, 08:36 PM
Mon. Very well articulated. But sadly, for some, they will never learn. Please read the last sentence of my post #46. :)

Rocky19
10-04-2006, 11:10 PM
Err...yeah Rocky:) is right...there is no need to get agitated...n draw out the pieces too abruptly...it could misfire...n in the process...possible that people gets hurt.

Ahem...having said that...as Chang has said...meeting up regularly has tighten up much closer bond amongst many forumers...
Meeting up...well works for some and may not work for some,,some dare not even show up at all but in forum act like big taiko..well when the great wise one comes to TT, I'll be there, call me on my cell and I'll be there.Lets see how he is in person. For the time being my TT days are over.

Mon -sorry I didn't know you were speaking on behalf of some group. Someone did give a lecture about ganging up in a forum some time back. Hope he practises what he preaches. ;)

tupai
10-04-2006, 11:42 PM
there are many taikos in this forum...i am the SELF-claimed egomaniac with self knighted horrorifics and i am one of those who tok big and not show up for tt...and i don't know how to tok chit chat luvy dovy or u cute, i cuter and waste me bandwidth (gulp! just got my 1meg strmyx :p a few days ago lah.

Go Chang Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! put chatter box into action. It can draw up to 10,000 page views and it does contribute to community get2gather, with or with out pseudo-taikos :p who probably worry more about their MPs and the police taikos.

Yang Amat Bos lato tupai

Rocky19
10-04-2006, 11:51 PM
Lato tupai,

you are the best among the best lato anywhere man.Miss the YB Lato thou.

always looking forward to see how you sign off. :D

chang,

Just do it!!!

kwchang
11-04-2006, 01:25 AM
I have created Chatterbox under the Micro e-Communities.
In order to help people coming in to the forum and wondering what happened to their favourite thread, i have installed a sticky thread to announce the whereabouts of these transfers. Please refer to Where have the threads gone? (http://219.93.184.38/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=12201)

You may be wondering why some other chat-laden threads have not moved. There can be 2 reasons -
1) I missed that thread ... so please PM me to let me know
2) That thread was not meant to be a chat-thread but chatters had taken liberty of my slack moderation to pepper the thread with chat. I will try to split the chat parts out and repost them to Chatterbox when (a) I remember and (b) I have the time to do so.

I agree that it will never be perfect but we need to start somewhere.

Ah, before anyone of you forget....
we still have a rule which disallows chat to be inserted to serious threads. So if you just wanted to say Hi (eg like "Hey John, nice to see you posting here..."), please use other means like PM, messaging or email. Putting chat-like frivolities on serious threads may earn you a banana.

Teeque
11-04-2006, 02:41 AM
Chang,

Pls move the Match of the week thread to Chatterbox. I set it up as a chat thread for the benefit of sports and soccer loving forummers here. Nothing serious. Just banter and talk among diehard fans. Not to discriminate against other 'talk' threads, this one has to go to.

pcyeoh
11-04-2006, 07:29 AM
Yes it's true. Chang scolded me. :) His pm was on high alert when I retrieved it. I told him I would keep my cool as I've said my peace with LaVidaLoca. :)
What! Chang scolded you?? Sure or not. I thought that guy can't even hurt a fly but I must admit that many including the men in this forum are all afraid of his banana ........ I mean he administering the banana to maintain the decorum of the forum. Tell me the next time he scolded you again. I will give him my banana ........ er er I am not an adminstrator so I can't. Maybe I will give him something else, let's say a flower.

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 07:38 AM
Meeting up...well works for some and may not work for some,,some dare not even show up at all but in forum act like big taiko..well when the great wise one comes to TT, I'll be there, call me on my cell and I'll be there.Lets see how he is in person. For the time being my TT days are over.

Ah. May I know why your TT days are over? If yours are over, then there is more so you have no platform at all to 'dare' somebody to attend one. People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks. Don't you think so?

:)

evecyanide
11-04-2006, 07:40 AM
Jose. Good morning :)

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 07:41 AM
Jose. Good morning :)

Good morning Cyanide. A wet and cool morning. :)

evecyanide
11-04-2006, 07:43 AM
Splitting headache :( Feel like gng home to Zzzz...

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 07:48 AM
Splitting headache :( Feel like gng home to Zzzz...

Cyanide. Nothing a stiff whisky would not cure. Want me to send the whisky to you?

:)

evecyanide
11-04-2006, 07:51 AM
Ahhh.... no thanks... I've just had a a little too much a few hours ago... Hence the headache...

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 07:52 AM
Ahhh.... no thanks... I've just had a a little too much a few hours ago... Hence the headache...

You need shut-eye. Cyanide. Grab some sleep and may Tom Cruise be with you in your dreams.

evecyanide
11-04-2006, 07:56 AM
Sleep? I wish... I've just started work at 7am... Jose. No offence but I'd prefer Brad Pitt :p

pcyeoh
11-04-2006, 08:07 AM
People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks. Don't you think so? :)
Jose Mourinho, that was what out teachers have been telling us. But today, there is a new version which says, "People who live in glass houses should not walk around naked." Frankly speaking there are many who do not understand why these people cannot throw stones. The Palestinians have been doing that and I see all their glass houses are still OK. But walking around naked, even a 3 year old kid understands that.

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 08:16 AM
Jose Mourinho, that was what out teachers have been telling us. But today, there is a new version which says, "People who live in glass houses should not walk around naked." Frankly speaking there are many who do not understand why these people cannot throw stones. The Palestinians have been doing that and I see all their glass houses are still OK. But walking around naked, even a 3 year old kid understands that.

Pcyeoh. That is absolutely brilliant. And how much more appropriate!

:)

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 08:17 AM
Sleep? I wish... I've just started work at 7am... Jose. No offence but I'd prefer Brad Pitt :p

Cyanide. Cannot ar. Brad Pitt is Angelina Jolie's. Kokomo has returned her to him. Goods returned. Not satisfied ar.

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 08:20 AM
What! Chang scolded you?? Sure or not. I thought that guy can't even hurt a fly but I must admit that many including the men in this forum are all afraid of his banana ........ I mean he administering the banana to maintain the decorum of the forum. Tell me the next time he scolded you again. I will give him my banana ........ er er I am not an adminstrator so I can't. Maybe I will give him something else, let's say a flower.

What about a banana-flower? Is there such a thing?

leewinnie46
11-04-2006, 08:40 AM
mon,

no worry, the next time we will load whisky + xo to knock "the eye" put him into good sleep after too much of Vit B spell pour on you, he must be real tired......tired to bringing up his kids but he got a bunch of kids here ....... that need to shower with banana

evecyanide
11-04-2006, 08:48 AM
Cyanide. Cannot ar. Brad Pitt is Angelina Jolie's. Kokomo has returned her to him. Goods returned. Not satisfied ar.

In that case, I'll have Mark McGrath from Sugar Ray anytime, anyday :)

kokomo
11-04-2006, 10:22 AM
Cyanide. Cannot ar. Brad Pitt is Angelina Jolie's. Kokomo has returned her to him. Goods returned. Not satisfied ar.

Nope. Not that am not satisfied but she said I was too much of a kiddo style. So had to gave it back to Brats!

evecyanide
11-04-2006, 10:28 AM
Kokomo. Don't you think Mark is much more hunkier than Brad?

Rocky19
11-04-2006, 11:59 AM
Ah. May I know why your TT days are over? If yours are over, then there is more so you have no platform at all to 'dare' somebody to attend one. People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks. Don't you think so?

:)
Over but if the person comes, Orchi can call me, read my post.Lets not make assumptions.Maybe you should read that book again. You think you are always right.

Why are you interested in this issue? Has this got to do with you? If you terasa, sorry. But if you want to meet, let me know. I'll be there. Will you be there? Lets see if you will dare come out of your concrete house.Wear something thou.

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 12:20 PM
Over but if the person comes, Orchi can call me, read my post.Lets not make assumptions.Maybe you should read that book again. You think you are always right. Why are you interested in this issue? Has this got to do with you? If you terasa, sorry. But if you want to meet, let me know. I'll be there. Will you be there? Lets see if you will dare come out of your concrete house.Wear something thou.

Now, if that is not immaturity and petulance, I don't know what is.

:) :) :) :) :D

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 12:34 PM
Over but if the person comes, Orchi can call me.

Wow. I know that Orchipalar is the man for the TTs and as has been praised by Kokomo, Alex and others, to be friendly and 'sweet'. But I certainly do not know that he is on stand-by with instructions to call you if a particular man or lady should turn up in any of the gathering. Such a bizarre arrangement of cloak and dagger stuffs, don't you think?

:) :) :)

mon
11-04-2006, 03:18 PM
mon,

no worry, the next time we will load whisky + xo to knock "the eye" put him into good sleep after too much of Vit B spell pour on you, he must be real tired.....

What! Chang scolded you?? Sure or not. I thought that guy can't even hurt a fly...Tell me the next time he scolded you again. I will give him my banana ........ er er I am not an adminstrator so I can't. Maybe I will give him something else, let's say a flower.

Deal Winnie and pc and tq. Heehee...But no more next time ar. Chang might run me over at 50kmphxyz with his new taxi!! :p

mon
11-04-2006, 03:30 PM
What about a banana-flower? Is there such a thing?

Just asked my mum if there's such a thing. She said YES OF COURSE. And she asked me to google for the pic. It looks like this.
http://www.asiasource.org/graphics/glossary/425ban.jpg

A gift for the perfect occasion. :D

kokomo
11-04-2006, 05:32 PM
Eve, I dunno who is that Mark guy'la .. maybe you can post it out for me to see?!?!? :confused: At this hour now, are u still recovering from hang-over anot?

Jose Mourinho
11-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Just asked my mum if there's such a thing. She said YES OF COURSE. And she asked me to google for the pic. It looks like this. A gift for the perfect occasion. :D

Mon. Funny shape for a brain ar.....

VeeJay
11-04-2006, 05:58 PM
BTW, the banana flower is edible too! And the honey inside each flower stem is also edible...very sweet...

mon
11-04-2006, 08:41 PM
Mon. Funny shape for a brain ar.....

For those who are still searching for their brains, this would be the most suitable. Veejay says, the insides could be so sweet and edible too. Jose. You needing a brain replacement or not? :)

Jose Mourinho
12-04-2006, 06:37 AM
For those who are still searching for their brains, this would be the most suitable. Veejay says, the insides could be so sweet and edible too. Jose. You needing a brain replacement or not? :)

Mon Mon. I think I will keep to my present brain. Even though it needs gingko to re-vitalise it daily, it still enables me to think (quite) clearly and see the world in a different light.

:)

Teeque
15-04-2006, 01:19 AM
Say, dis sub-forum is growing pretty fast aint it? Sooner or later overtake the Main Forum then how?

And sommo ar, y nobody visit the MOTW thread nemore huh? huh? huh? ;)

kwchang
15-04-2006, 01:48 AM
It does not matter which part of the usj dot com grows. There is no class system over here. Regardless how the forum evolves biologically, it is still the usj dot com website and we are all denizens of this thriving community. That is something to be proud of.