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Dr. J George
21-02-2006, 11:18 AM
BIRD FLU IN GOMBAK COULD BE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE?

Finally, there is acknowledgement and like our neighbors, Indonesia, Malaysia has confirmed last night that the deaths of 40 kampung (free range) chicken at four villages along Jalan Genting-Klang here last week were caused by the H5N1 strain of the avian influenza.

Though it was right and proper for dear friend, Agriculture and Agro-Based Industry Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin to immediately state that the case was an isolated one and that the people need not worry as there was no human fatality.

But in all fairness – it is best not to be over confident or we may end up being ridiculed, REMEMBER the fatal JE and the manner it was played down before the body bags kept piling up!

The market reaction was immediate with the fall of prices and the boycott of chicken from several local outlets according to my intelligence network in the Klang Valley and beyond!

Chicken Rice Shops were also hit!

My Son is upset as it is his favorite dish – period!

Across the causeway – as expected, in an immediate reaction as usual Singapore had banned all livestock imports from Selangor!

Singapore's proactive and well respected food security authority, the Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority (AVA), has suspended poultry and egg imports from Selangor with immediate effect after receiving what it said is "information on the detection of H5N1 in kampung chickens" at a village in the state.

AVA had stated in a statement late yesterday that the suspension of imports was a precautionary measure, in line with the established protocol between the veterinary authorities of the two countries for poultry imports from disease-free zones in Malaysia.

However we are told that the current suspension will not affect poultry imports from the disease-free zones of Johor, Malacca, Perak and Negri Sembilan. (For the moment?)

I think the outbreak is a 'good omen' as it will bring us 'back to the basics' and inform all the ‘high and mighty’ in Malaysia that there are far more urgent needs and issues out there in the real world, than the ones that have been occupying their 'petty minds' and in certain cross sections of this country of late?

Got my drift?

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JackRyan1975
21-02-2006, 11:29 AM
Though it was right and proper for dear friend, Agriculture and Agro-Based Industry Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin to immediately state that the case was an isolated one and that the people need not worry as there was no human fatality.

But in all fairness – it is best not to be over confident or we may end up being ridiculed remember the fatal JE and the manner it was played down before the body bags kept piling up!

"The case was an isolated one" is one of the most often quoted statement by our politicians. A pretty meaningless statement to me. All outbreaks start as an isolated case. AIDS was believed to have started with one man and a monkey, which falls under the definition of "isolated" by our politians. It's time the government be more concerned with substance over form. Start conducting rigorous prevention measures rather spending too much time allaying fears.

Dr. J George
21-02-2006, 11:32 AM
Well said bro - my thoughts also -but do they really learn? Nay! :rolleyes:

Jose Mourinho
21-02-2006, 11:33 AM
And why is it that they never learn?

:D

kwchang
21-02-2006, 09:59 PM
... REMEMBER the fatal JE and the manner it was played down before the body bags kept piling up!...
With due respect, I just can't let this get misquoted all the time -
The viral problem we had with pigs in the past was NOT JE (Japanese Encephalitis). It was wrongly identified as JE but later discovered to be a new virus having an entirely different action. That was the Nipah Virus. Even a recent "JE" scare turned out to be dengue fever. So please don't say JE.

expat1609
22-02-2006, 12:48 AM
BIRD FLU IN GOMBAK COULD BE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE?

.....

Chicken Rice Shops were also hit!

My Son is upset as it is his favorite dish – period!

.....

http://www.drjacobgeorge.com/

the human deaths of this virus so far have all been among chicken-farmers or people in contact with life-chicken and are mostly related to the chicken-****, as the highest concentration of the virus is found in it.
there is no warning from wherever, that chicken or egg should not be eaten. when cooked properly, the virus is killed.

isolated case or not, it is spreading too fast, also in austria, germany .....
as was sars, so is birdflew a reason to be cautious, but not to panic !

baby
22-02-2006, 12:58 AM
Agree with you Expat.

I'm more worried for the chicks than for the human. There'll be dead chicks lying around that we won't see.

It is just a matter of being educated on the subject without getting the threat of bird flu out of all proportion.

USJ27Resident
22-02-2006, 01:06 AM
Question is:... how did this virus appear here in Gombak.

The authorities suspect that it may have come from smuggled "ayam laga" from Thailand. Well if this is true, these people that smuggle these birds ought to be "imprisoned with their birds" for endangering everyone health and the nation's image and economy! :mad:

For crying out loud!! The whole world is worried sick about how to contain this virus ~ and we get a bunch of idiots smuggling (possibly infected) cocks across the border?

Bird brained idiots!!! :mad:

Teeque
22-02-2006, 04:51 AM
In this country, you almost can get away with anything...if you hv the know-who and means.

ghkok747
22-02-2006, 11:02 AM
GOT A PROBLEM !!

There's a house in USJ4 that is rearing chickens !!! Just a few houses away from mine. It's a corner house. The chickens are left wandering about the garden, very often they stray onto the road and sometimes the backlane. Yesterday, I went to MPSJ to make a complaint. They park it under "VEKTOR", and gave me a complaint number. They said they may take "1 or 2 weeks" to take action. Don't know what action they'll take. What should I do in the meantime ? Is there a law against rearing chickens at home ? I believe from today's papers, DBKL has banned rearing chickens in homes.

USJ27Resident
22-02-2006, 11:07 AM
GOT A PROBLEM !!

There's a house in USJ4 that is rearing chickens !!! Just a few houses away from mine. It's a corner house. The chickens are left wandering about the garden, very often they stray onto the road and sometimes the backlane. Yesterday, I went to MPSJ to make a complaint. They park it under "VEKTOR", and gave me a complaint number. They said they may take "1 or 2 weeks" to take action. Don't know what action they'll take. What should I do in the meantime ? Is there a law against rearing chickens at home ? I believe from today's papers, DBKL has banned rearing chickens in homes.

wow... scared huh!?

bugbear
22-02-2006, 11:33 AM
Arrgh...it just at my back yard....my parents are staying in Gombak...

...anyhow, no need to panic folk. Let the health people do their job.

joker2107
22-02-2006, 12:45 PM
Quote :
My chickens died and it never occurred to me that they could have been killed by some disease. I thought someone was poisoning them,” Sharif said, adding that between eight and 15 chickens died every day in the past week.

“The first one died as early as January but I do not remember when exactly,” he said, adding that he had about 100 chickens.

Sharif added that a small stream in front of his house might have swept away some of the dead chickens when it rained heavily.

“The stream eventually leads to the Wangsa Maju storm drain,” Sharif said, adding that he had no idea it could have been bird flu until he saw the news report about the H5N1 virus striking the villages in the area.

Sharif added he has not fallen ill since his chickens started dying.
Unquote

source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/2/22/nation/13464233&sec=nation

i think d greatest tragedy is d ignorance or complacency of ppl. not just sharif, but ppl worldwide. ppl dealing with all kinds of birds must b made 2 b more critically aware of d avian flu n d need 2 seek further advice immediately if they notice unexplained deaths amongst their livestock. sadly, in sharif's case, he postulates that some of his dead chickens might hv found their way 2 d wangsa maju storm drain ... which drains into ???? what is d probability of spreading d disease cos of this? also he claims that he has not fallen ill since. i dont recall reading abt him being sent 4 a thorough checkup. although it is currently believed that this virus is carried only b avians, r we content 2 b complacent over someone in close proximity of such a big number of victim birds 4 over a month?

isolated case? of course it is. if i remember rightly, most countries reported much less than 40 birds dying in captivity due 2 this virus. do we need human victims 2 admit that any case must always b treated with serious urgency?

n most importantly, d whole truth must b revelead 2 d public immediately.

bslee
22-02-2006, 01:30 PM
Its can be scary to think this bird flu could be potentially more dangerous than AIDS.
Sheeeesh!..Its really scary to me!..unless I'm fedup of life!. :D

Atomic Fire
22-02-2006, 03:00 PM
Talking of being scared, I must admit that I too have been rather scared by this birdflu thing. I used to do my morning walks/jogs on weekends around the big playground in USJ11. This used to be my favourite spot bcos it is a very big playground and it's nice to walk around it.

But since many weeks back, I have totally stopped going there. Why? This is bcos i noticed that there is a large group of pidgeons there. These pidgeons would always come down in droves to the field to feed and sometimes they just fly off from the ground to the nearest trees. I've also seen some ppl actually throwing some breads on the ground as these pidgeons would all come down and feed on them. Sometimes while walking there, a whole group of pidgeons would just fly off above our heads! Though it is actually quite a pleasant experience and sight to see these pidgeons being so unafraid of humans and mingling among humans, i recently suddenly realised that the pidgeons can be a potential source of danger too. If for whatever reasons, due to migratory birds or whatever, one of these pidgeons were to get the birdflu virus, chances are that the whole bunch of pidgeons will become infected and ppl like us who walks/jogs and children who cycle and play around this place would likely be contaminated by the droppings from these birds. Though the chances of the birds' droppings touching us as we walk by is quite slim, nevertheless it is still a potential risk.

That is why i have decided to move to another playground where there are no pidgeons for my morning walks...just to be safe. :D

Dr. J George
22-02-2006, 03:12 PM
I deeply regret the ‘premature and unqualified’ statement of the Minister of Domestic Trade and Consumers Affairs, Datuk Mohd Shafie Apdal that the people should not overreact to the death of some 40 free-range chicken in Gombak due to the deadly bird flu virus to the extent of abstaining from eating chicken!

I also regret that the Minister has prematurely decided that Malaysian chicken and poultry products are still safe to eat but failed to cite the credentials backing this claim!

The minister also stated that over-reaction by the public would adversely affect the country's multi-billion ringgit poultry industry!

It looks like a million ringgit poultry industry is far important than human lives?

Such a statement coming from a minister who is expected to protect the rights and interests of Malaysian consumers is deeply regretted!

More so when a culling exercise in several villages in the district is going on and Singapore’s health authorities had suspended poultry and egg imports from Selangor.

According to Deputy Director of the Selangor Veterinary Services Department, Datuk Dr Aziz Jamaluddin. the source of the avian influenza H5N1 virus found at Batu 4 1/2 Jalan Genting Kelang, here would be known within the next two weeks.

Why two weeks he does not say? Sounds stupid in view of public interests and fears!

And that result would ascertain the form and pattern of the virus, whether it is the same as the virus, which had affected Kelantan, Indonesia, Vietnam or Thailand to find out where the virus came from.

As such I feel that it was in totally irresponsible for Shafie to have issued a preemptive statement when the facts are still to come in, be verified and determined by the rightful authorities!

This is again where our politicians vis a vis Ministers and others fail when they become defensive, so protective and entrenched in a denial mode instead of managing the issue in truth as the Singaporeans do!

USJ27Resident
22-02-2006, 06:10 PM
I guess soon we'll see a bunch of VIP ministers sitting down and eating fried "chicken" to prove that it is safe !!! ( Question is,.. will that fried chicken come from "local" or "imported" sources :p )

tupai
22-02-2006, 06:15 PM
I guess soon we'll see a bunch of VIP ministers sitting down and eating fried "chicken" to prove that it is safe !!! ( Question is,.. will that fried chicken come from "local" or "imported" sources :p )

...and i hope they get the flu PLUS as a bonus, choke on the drumstick too...

yang amat berkawan ayam lato tupai

USJ27Resident
22-02-2006, 06:19 PM
...and i hope they get the flu PLUS as a bonus, choke on the drumstick too...

yang amat berkawan ayam lato tupai

drumrooooooooooooooll! LOL!! :p good one! good one!

Dr. J George
23-02-2006, 12:07 AM
After all the 'brave speeches' that all is fine - we are told that a total of 724 chickens, 58 ducks, 54 birds and 455 eggs have been destroyed since Sunday night after 40 chickens around Jalan Genting Klang in Setapak died of the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus. :eek:

kwchang
23-02-2006, 12:09 AM
Just a scientific note....
(because some of you are scared to the point of paranoia)

Do you know that commercial farms in Malaysia are high-security farms where they practise a high level of hygienic procedures to protect their flock from ANY form of infection? This is already in place way before the Avian 'Flu even emerged. Commercial farms work on very tight margins and they have really large flocks to multiply that small margin of profit to make it worthwhile to produce substantial profits for their efforts. Chicken farming is now a highly developed science and nothing can be left to chance. The very environment of the farm is controlled so that the birds do not waste any energy in overcoming the hot and humid weather that we have. Every bit of energy conserved by the bird is translated into better egg and meat production, the very thing that earns money for these farms. For this, these super-farms try to maintain a disease-free environment because any form of pathogen will be a drain on the energies of the birds to produce meat and eggs.

I am very sure these commercial farms will ensure that they are the least at risk. As such, their produce are definitely safe for consumption.

What we should be worried about are the free-range and backyard farms which are unable (or not bothered) to reduce the risk of infection. In the current situation, I would buy commercial chicken and eggs from large producers. I will keep away from kampong chicken or eggs sold by farmers who had harvested their "fresh organic eggs" from their own farms.

kwchang
23-02-2006, 12:18 AM
According to Deputy Director of the Selangor Veterinary Services Department, Datuk Dr Aziz Jamaluddin. the source of the avian influenza H5N1 virus found at Batu 4 1/2 Jalan Genting Kelang, here would be known within the next two weeks.

Why two weeks he does not say? Sounds stupid in view of public interests and fears!

Some corrections....
Dr Aziz Jamaluddin is the Deputy Director General of the Veterinary Services Departement. He is not a Dato' and he is not in the Selangor State service, he is in the HQ in Putrajaya.

It is good when he says 2 weeks because it means the samples will be tested thoroughly in a proper lab. Virological procedures actually take about that time for definitive results. I will not be surprised if they do send samples to International virological labs for serotyping. That is good because it would not do to misdiagnose.

Dr. J George
23-02-2006, 12:32 AM
Source Of Virus To Be Known In Two Weeks


KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 22 (Bernama) -- The source of the avian influenza H5N1 virus found at Batu 4 1/2 Jalan Genting Kelang, here would be known within the next two weeks, said the Deputy Director of the Selangor Veterinary Services Department, Datuk Dr Aziz Jamaluddin.

He said the result would also ascertain the type of avian influenza virus which was now being studied by the Veterinary Research Institute in Ipoh, Perak.

"We have to ascertain the form and pattern of the virus, whether it is the same as the virus which had affected Kelantan, Indonesia, Vietnam or Thailand to find out where the virus came from," he told reporters during the operation to round up poultry in Setapak, here Tuesday night.

Monday, Agriculture and Agro-based Industry Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin described the death of 40 free-range chicken at Jalan Genting Kelang as isolated cases and there was no cause for panic.

"The virus cannot live in the host, that is poultry, that had been fried, cooked or roasted. The bottom line is that the poultry must be cooked in temperature exceeding 80 degrees celsius to ensure that the avian influenza virus is killed," he said.

On the operation to round up the poultry, he said it started at 11 pm involving 80 personnel from the Veterinary Services Department and Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumpur (DBKL) covering areas in Taman Danau Kota, Pekan Danau Kota and Kampung Pasir Wardieburn in Setapak.

-- BERNAMA

JG says - Good on you KW Chang, now please send our national media group Bernama a note on that observation of yours! Thank you! :D

kwchang
23-02-2006, 12:43 AM
HaHaHa ... that is hilarious... the national news agency didn't check their facts nor did they have a database of the top govt officials. ;) :p :)

Jose Mourinho
23-02-2006, 08:08 AM
More than 800 Poultry Culled

PUTRAJAYA: More than 800 chickens, ducks and birds have been culled within the 1km radius of the bird flu-hit area in Setapak in the last 48 hours and the Veterinary Services Department is stepping up surveillance within the 10km radius from today.

The department is roping in staff from other states, UPM veterinary students as well as staff from other government agencies to help in the one-week surveillance.

Acting director-general Datuk Dr Mustapa Jalil said the areas to be covered were Pudu, Hulu Klang and Kepong.

“My advice to residents living in these areas is not to panic. The Government is doing its best to stop the H5N1 virus from spreading,” he told a press conference here yesterday..

“But, if there is any poultry death, the owner must report it immediately to the authorities. Do not touch the dead chicken with bare hands, let us handle it.”

Dr Mustapa said the department had activated a rapid response team to carry out surveillance and taken poultry samples for testing.

“The culling process has been completed and the owners will be compensated according to the rates approved by the Government. So far, 723 chickens, 58 ducks and 54 birds have been culled and 455 eggs destroyed within the 1km radius,” he added.

Dr Mustapa said the department’s operations centre had received many calls asking if it was safe to eat chicken.

“Don’t worry. It is safe to eat chicken. In fact, I am having chicken soup for dinner tonight,” he said.

Members of the public can contact the department’s bird flu centre at 8870 2041/2.

In Kuala Lumpur, 20 Veterinary Services department mobile teams are being deployed within the 10km radius to take fluid samples from poultry.

The department's deputy director-general Datuk Dr Abdul Aziz Jaluddin said swabs taken from the birds would be analysed at their laboratory in Petaling Jaya.

“If no virus is detected within 21 days, we can declare the area free of avian flu,” he said.

Abdul Aziz said they had also ordered pet shops selling birds within the 1km radius, to close temporarily.

AllUrban
23-02-2006, 10:55 AM
see the top 10 solutions for disease prevention...

#1-10 wash your hands with soap

There's really very little else that anyone can do. Some people thrive off society getting scared and paranoid. Dont get scared, but dont go to the nearest farm and start playing with the chickens either.

The economic side is serious enough though. Because SARS came to Canada from Hong Kong, alot of people started unnecessarily avoiding the 5 "Chinatown" areas in Toronto, which cost the restaurants and shops a lot of money.

Interestingly enough, the first people to stop going to Chinese restaurants and markets were the Chinese themselves.

Cheers, m

robertec
23-02-2006, 11:10 AM
It was reported in the Star that

Smuggled cocks believed to be source.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/2/23/nation/13473590&sec=nation

Quote:

Mohd Idris Ismail, 53, said the village was divided into several areas, one of which was Kampung Kelantan in the north where chickens first started dying.

“The birds there died even before Chinese New Year; and then it spread to this area.”

It is scary to read this, so according to the report the Avian Flu has been with us since end of January and nobody knew about it?

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cskok8
23-02-2006, 01:40 PM
Ministers are well known to shoot their mouth off without using their brains. I think it is a prerequisite for the job. A few years ago when there were allegations of a leak in the STPM exam papers the Education Minister (only one at that time) said that "investigations" showed that there is NST (no such thing) only 1 or 2 days after the report first appeared in NST (New Straits Times). Guess what, a few days later a clerk at the Examinations Syndicate was charged for leaking the papers. :o

Jose Mourinho
23-02-2006, 01:49 PM
“The birds there died even before Chinese New Year; and then it spread to this area.”

It is scary to read this, so according to the report the Avian Flu has been with us since end of January and nobody knew about it?

Do you know how many chicken I have eaten since before Chinese New Year and especially during Chinese New Year? I am dead, man... dead.

USJ27Resident
25-02-2006, 02:34 PM
Is this ignorance or sheer stupidity... (http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/MM/Saturday/National/20060225111435/Article/index_html)

Read this today.... and there's only one way to describe these people. Either they couldn't care less about themselves, family, friends and all malaysian or they are just plain STUPID. Imagine throwing carcasses into the rivers and waterways... Might as well take a gun and shoot evry one in sight!


He was responding to reports that a resident of Kampung Pasir Wardieburn, Sharif Ibrahim, had lost 70 chickens in a month.

Sharif only realised that his chickens may have died of bird flu after the Government confirmed Monday that the villages in Setapak were affected by the virus.

And what do you say about this fella.... "hello... what have you been doing lately..." Living underneath a freaking coconut shell!

And for heaven's sake - a chicken for a pet!!! :rolleyes: I may dislike cats but if any of my neighbors have chickens for pets would have to be prepared to have them stuffed!!!! :p

Evry time I read about things like this... it is beyond me that some of us can be so daft if not down right stupid....