world war 2 jewish slaughters

[rabbiteeth84]

las nite i was watching a world war 2 movie. juz wonder theres so many jewish dying during this holocaust, maybe more than the soldier, why arent there any jew stand out and defend their own people? why cant all the jews united and fighting for their own right.

i dun understand......

[expat1609]

... theres so many jewish dying during this holocaust, maybe more than the soldier ....
i dun understand......

there where ~6 million jews slaughtered in ww2 by the nazi's

[orchipalar]

Err...the Germans still pay compensations to the Jewish victims of WW2...

http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/archives/background/ns_crimes.html

[expat1609]

...and so do austrians.
not only to victims (not direct), but to jewish organizations and fonds.
for example austrian banks, for dealing with nazi-currency when hitler took over austria.

[rabbiteeth84]

no guys,

wat i mean is during the very beginning of war, when the tankers first drive into their village, demanding their human right and started pulling jews into the trucks, why cant there some jews against all this ? wny cant there some jews that stand up and against all these house relocation? all these unfair treatment? i mean isnt there somebody asking: WHY SHOULD I? in the very first place ?

[USJ27Resident]

from my humble understandings...

Adolf Hitler targetted the Jews as he believed that they (the Jews) were in too much control of everything in Germany. As his political and military power grew, he used it forcibly on the German Jews, following with the Polish Jews and the rest of his Nazi occupied countries.... there were resistance but it didn't amount to much as most of these Jews were white collared people like bankers, merchants, doctors etc etc...

What I don't get is why only the Germans and Germany had to pay retribution to the Jewish communities and organisation when the Soviets (under Stalin) committed worst atrocities towards the Jewish communities. Same goes towards the then Imperial Japanese Occupation for the atrocities committed during their Pan Asian conquests... seems they too were exempted from proper apologies and retribution...

I guess it all boils down to who was in charge then, after the war!!!... :rolleyes:

[rabbiteeth84]

to usj27 resident,

what u mean is white collar ppl dun have the strength to fight?

but whats funny is that if at that time jews held such importent roles in the society, there must also be some significant jews roles in the society that strongly against the nazis and also united his people to fight against them. and they should also foreseen their situation when hitler reign if they are the educated one. bah

i dun get it.

[mlkok]

I don't think it's fair making comments without knowing the entire story. You really have to understand the political atmosphere during that era. Would resistance put up by a group of almost defenseless villagers have helped against a vastly more prepared and organized army? Even then allies were treading carefully not wanting to have a situation blown out of porportion. Of coz it did end up being World War 2.
I do suggest further reading and research instead of basing your conclusion on just one documentary. :D

[Jaytea]

In Germany they first came for the Communists
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.


--The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing Church who spent seven years in a concentration camp.

[Choon1980]

Well, there was the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising...

[bobkee]

And of course there are those who claim that these were all a big fat fabrication that was a conspiracy to get Israel formed on Arab land.

[Joe Gomez]

That it ( holocaust ) happenned ........... cant argue, meh !!!!

That the solution for the collective guilt of the Allies was to carve a slice of land out of the heartland of areas inhabited by Arabs ( not MUSLIMS but ARABS ...... these blokes grazed their herds, grew their meager crops, & tended to their families in areas now forcibly occupied by Israelis ..... NOT JEWS ) and allow / encourage the Israelis ( not JEWS but ISRAELIS ) to ride roughshod over the Palestinians who were uprooted ....... WEELLLLLLLLL !! stretch of imagination, lor ....... difficult to understand logic lor .... :D
Disclaimer : I have forgiven the Biblical Jews for the atrocities they visited upon my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ...... :) Thus I am at peace with the Biblical Jews ..... but the later day breed of Israelis ....... shhheeeessshhh, man, there is a limit !!!

[tempuadua]

I don't think it's fair making comments without knowing the entire story. You really have to understand the political atmosphere during that era. Would resistance put up by a group of almost defenseless villagers have helped against a vastly more prepared and organized army? Even then allies were treading carefully not wanting to have a situation blown out of porportion. Of coz it did end up being World War 2.
I do suggest further reading and research instead of basing your conclusion on just one documentary. :D
There are enough reading materials out there for one to read and to know about the WW2. However, please do take note of the identity, nationality and personal background of the authors or the historians writing the book. Just like any piece of history, most storyteller tend to mix in his/her personal opinions, beliefs and stands when telling the story. I was made to understand that, even now, the history textbook used in Japanese schools give a different version of Japan's role in the WW2, i.e. they give the impression that they did NOT started the war and that Japan, just like any other countries in south east asia, was the victim of Western agression.
This is not surprising as Japanese are not the only one doing this. WE all know that the US was beaten to pulp in Vietnam, to the extent that, it was the first time in history that US military men literally run out of enemy's country in the midddle of the night. But in all Rambo's films, the vietnamese were portrayed as stupid and the whole vietnamese battallion were easily outwitted by Rambo single-handedly. Some people may say that Rambo is only entertainment. But hey, don't forget! In a society where the habit of reading books is an endangered habit, "truth" is in grave danger of being forgotten forever. Even worse, we depends on US and western media to tell us the "truth". Joseph Goebbels himself once said that lies told over and over again will finally be accepted by people as the truth.
I fully agree with BOBKEE that Israel was carved out of Arabs land by the US and Britain to pay for their "sins" to the Jews.

[USJ27Resident]

That it ( holocaust ) happenned ........... cant argue, meh !!!!
..... but the later day breed of Israelis ....... shhheeeessshhh, man, there is a limit !!!

JG = couldn't agree with you more...

Israelis are Jews.. and for the people that suffered so much from the time of the Pharoahs... instead of learning about suffering and compassion, they are instead inflicting the very same suffering to their fellow neighbors... :rolleyes:

Man, if I had a neighbor that constantly bullies me... I too, would one day "snap" and go after him! No wonder, why the Arabs have this "hate" relationship with Israel!

[kwchang]

If you all said the same things in the developed "western" countries, you could be charged with anti-Semitism (http://www.answers.com/topic/anti-semitism). that link also provides a brief insight to the whole issue - interesting read.

As for asking why the Jews did not resist certain death, I have found a website that perhaps answer your question - http://www.adl.org/uprising/faq.asp - no need for us to make guesses and go around in circles.

[Timo]

It is inaccurate to say that more Jews died in the World Wars than soldiers - I believe Russia lost around 20 million people, far more than the number of Jews that were killed.

Even though I totally agree that the killing of so many people (Jews or otherwise) during the World Wars (or any time for that matter ) is despicable, we will have to admit that out all the wars, all the events that lead to murder and/or genocide, in the entire history of the world, no one event is more highly publicised than the 'Holocaust'. Hell, in some countries, its even illegal to deny that the Holocaust ever occured (see the news on British historian David Irving recently). It is proof that the Germans were right : the Jews do have a lot of power in the grand scheme of things.

[burntan]

las nite i was watching a world war 2 movie. juz wonder theres so many jewish dying during this holocaust, maybe more than the soldier, why arent there any jew stand out and defend their own people? why cant all the jews united and fighting for their own right.

i dun understand......

Since no one actually answer to your question, I would like to give you an anwser that I think what is happened.

Those jews simply didn't know that they will be kill at the first place. When the war just started, German Nazi did allow jews to safely leave the country by giving a deadline. Those who refuse to leave the country think that "they have rights to stay there and they don't think Nazi will do any serious harm to them". So, after the deadline, Nazi start sending truck to jews village to collect them, the Nazi just told them that they will be send to a safe place for prison only. Even the last minute when they line up to get into the gas chamber, they still don't think they will be kill.

That's why Jews never fight back.

[billy]

to usj27 resident,

what u mean is white collar ppl dun have the strength to fight?

but whats funny is that if at that time jews held such importent roles in the society, there must also be some significant jews roles in the society that strongly against the nazis and also united his people to fight against them. and they should also foreseen their situation when hitler reign if they are the educated one. bah

i dun get it.

Hi rabbiteeth84,

There are lots of books written about the holocaust, please get some reading b4 post questions. I am not try to protect anything but your questions can be answered if you visit the library or anybook store, or just type holocaust to search for the links.

[rabbiteeth84]

thanks kwchang for the info. now i get it. thanks

[USJ27Resident]

If you all said the same things in the developed "western" countries, you could be charged with anti-Semitism (http://www.answers.com/topic/anti-semitism). that link also provides a brief insight to the whole issue - interesting read.


Another question... why is it, when we question the actions of the Israelis and Jews.. we are automatically classified as Anti-Semitic? Why is this particular ethic group allowed blanket protection that the mere notion to talk about them can cause us to be charged as an Anti Semitic?? Yet this very group of people in Israel are committing atrocities beyond description on any one that defies or oppose them... I even read that their military can run an amoured bulldozer over an western peace activist and yet get away with murder!

And by the way, since I could be charged with Anti Semitism... maybe you guys would like to ponder on where does Singapore traders get their Sharon Fruit persimmons from....

Israel cultivates over 1,200 ha of persimmons, of which only 10% are over six years of age. This accounts for the low annual production. Assuming a yield of 20 t per hectare, potential production could exceed 24,000 t per annum within the next decade. Most plantings are of the astringent cv. Triumph, which is treated to remove astringency before being marketed as Sharon Fruit. It is understood that the Israeli Ministry of Agriculture intends to extend the planting of Sharon Fruit by another 500 ha as soon as possible. Harvesting extends from November to January.

The major export market is Europe, in particular Great Britain, France, Germany, and Scandinavia. Total exports have averaged around 3,000 t annually, at prices from US$ 1.02 to US$ 3.20 per kg.

One smart way of getting around the trade boycotts around the world, market it thru other countries... :rolleyes:

[isarahim]

It is inaccurate to say that more Jews died in the World Wars than soldiers - I believe Russia lost around 20 million people, far more than the number of Jews that were killed.

There's also been research into Russian census at the time indicating that Stalin killed about three times as many Jews as Hitler, but got away with it....

[USJ27Resident]

There's also been research into Russian census at the time indicating that Stalin killed about three times as many Jews as Hitler, but got away with it....

.... because... the Soviets had DA'BOMB too!... If the Americans or anyone else even made a blip of a [self-censored], they would have joined Japan cleaning up the nuclear mess that could have followed....

The very same reason why good old UrAssOfA :p dun wan countries with the likes of Iran or Libya to have Da'Bomb ( or anything closely related to that !)

[bugbear]

It is inaccurate to say that more Jews died in the World Wars than soldiers - I believe Russia lost around 20 million people, far more than the number of Jews that were killed.

Even though I totally agree that the killing of so many people (Jews or otherwise) during the World Wars (or any time for that matter ) is despicable, we will have to admit that out all the wars, all the events that lead to murder and/or genocide, in the entire history of the world, no one event is more highly publicised than the 'Holocaust'. Hell, in some countries, its even illegal to deny that the Holocaust ever occured (see the news on British historian David Irving recently). It is proof that the Germans were right : the Jews do have a lot of power in the grand scheme of things.

Looks like David Irving is backpeddling in the face of prosecution to deny his earlier writing in denial of the holocaust. :rolleyes: Indeed, there are country likr Austria who go all out to show what WWII is all about after all Hitler is an Austrian himself. It is people like David who by writing that there are no holocaust that leads to people like Ahmedenejad and other anti-semite like Henry Ford and rednecks who prosecute the jews for no fault of their own. I think it is a very responsible act on the part of the Austrian to safeguard the correct history behind WWII else it can be use by some quarter to fuel anti-Jews sentiment in an already increasingly intolerant and bigot world.

There are already enough bigot in this world to stand further fueling by writers such as Irving. At least henry ford appologise for his international jew and later withdrew it form publication. Irving should do likewise or face the music. :mad: