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cherry
17-02-2006, 12:58 PM
Last Wednesday, it was drizzling and I was walking home with an umbrella from the bus stop around 6.30pm. When I reach at one corner of the housing area in SS2 which is just 2 minutes walk from home, I saw 2 Indian guys on a bike passing me. Then, I felt my bag pack was pulled from behind and I saw pillon rider trying to pull the bag whereas the other was standing-by on the motorbike a few meters away. I screamed (for help and even screamed API! API!) trying as hard as I can not to let go. Having the thinking of going through the hassle of going to the bank (ATM & credit card), applying for temporary IC, my house keys and missing you friends contact number was really unbearable because I only got RM1 in coins in the bag... I even use my umbrella to hit the big guy until the umbrella bended and the guys was trying to even bite my hand and that's the point I let it go. He got on the bike and I chased them a few meters... The only thing that was in my mind was getting the motorbike's plate number... BFK 7054.

A lady saw me chasing after the bike and crying at the side of the road. She didn't bother to ask me what happened and never even offer any help. I went back to the guard house where I'm staying and informed the guards what happened and ask them to look out for the thieves since my house key and residence card was in the bag. When I was at he police station there was a lady who was snatch victim too. While waiting for my turn, came another victim.. I found out from the police there were 10 cases of snatch thieves on that dreadful day alone and it was done by either 2 Indian guys or 2 Malay guys on a motorbike.

What disappoints me is that the police was not doing any possible action and nobody wants to report anything if they saw it happened :( . Most of the bank imposed a fee on the replacement of new ATM card and I'm not sure whether they would waived it for victim like us... Called up BCB and ask them about it and they say I need to pay RM8 (depending on the discursion of the branch even if we have the police report) for the new card and say its their policy. :eek: This is so true with the saying "Sudah jatuh ditimpa tangga" :mad:

kokomo
17-02-2006, 01:09 PM
I think you did the right thing lettin' go of your handbag otherwise that indian guy might hv jz pull out his knife and might also stab on you.

Since you remembered the bike plate and describtion of the 2 indian man .. maybe soon enuff the police are able to find them and called you to go back to the police station to verify on the 2 indian guys.

Hmmm .. i wonder what those 2 indian guys would be thinkin' after all the hassle going through tryin' to snatch your handbag and only to find out that it's only worth RM 1 of coins in your bag. :rolleyes:

They're surely pissed too huh ..

cherry
17-02-2006, 01:32 PM
Yalah they chose the wrong person to meddle with but I regret the fact that I didn't bring a bigger umbrella... The 2nd time I went to the police station that night, they said the number that I gave belongs to an Old Malay man and the bike is used by the son. The bike has never been reported missing...

chsum
17-02-2006, 01:34 PM
Cherry, did u try to search for ur bag in longkang & dustbin in ur area, most snatch thieve will dispose off all stolen item asap (in case they are stop by police, only retain the money as u can't proof it's urs) so after few turn getting away from u, they might stop at a secluded spot near ur area for a minute to search ur bag and throw all unwanted stuff there.

cherry
17-02-2006, 01:42 PM
I don't think they work that way... I guess they would be doing their snatching spree first then divide the loot among them after a hard day's work. It seemd that the other victim who got snatched are not far from the area where I was snatched and the duration between the incident it probably less than an hour.

I wanted to take a walk yesterday but when I saw the Alam Flora rubbish collector I guess they already throw away those things... :(

kokomo
17-02-2006, 01:44 PM
If the police says the bike is used by the old malay man's son .. then must do a check on the son ma .. probably the son is the ring leader for the 2 indian guys leh .. u never know this could be their strategy!

Yeah, most of them after stealin' victims handbag .. they will actually stop somewhere to check for money then dispose off rest of the stuff in a drain. Then they take your handphone pakai until line terminate , take your hp go sell cheap cheap ..

cherry
17-02-2006, 01:48 PM
Will go for a walk this evening. I don't know if got people in my house. I have no keys... :( Anyway, with all the pulling and struggling my right hand is still painful until today.

kokomo
17-02-2006, 02:09 PM
Din you pinjam your housemates key to go do another pair? It's time you hit the gym, build some strength and learn how to defend yourself. ;) Such situation occurs don't hope for m'sians here to be kind and helpful to you, no they won't. Since you've experience it, you should know better!

I would suggest your house to change all the locks & padlocks. By now, they would hv know already where you stay and they hv your keys. If your arms still feelin' painful then try get some oilment like ermm .. deep heat/salonplas to rub on your shoulder there. Should feel better after that. :)

alexhay
17-02-2006, 02:59 PM
i been rob twice before...

The first time was I was in Chow Kit Area...just walking pass there after college to get to the bus stop...was stop by one malay guy with a knife...what I did...take my bag and wack the guy...I really bash up the guy. A few traders that area came to my aid and called the police.

2nd time was near my old house at PJ SS3...it was around 630 am, cycling to my friend house...when i reach my fren house, he wasn't awake yet, then 3 guys on 2 motorbike approach me with a parang...so what to go, gave the money in my wallet (around 150+) and my handphone...:( ...remembered the plate of the bike and make a report...so what the police can do ? everyday there are cases of snatch thief reported, but only a few cases can be solved...:)

SunwayKid
17-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Will go for a walk this evening.................

Sorry to hear of your incident.

Should you decide to go for a walk, you do need to get a friend to go along, just in case those crooks come back again because they didn't get much money. In case you can't find anyone, maybe get a volunteer, Kokomo :) perhaps?!

kokomo
17-02-2006, 03:26 PM
Errm ... would be the first person to volunteer .. but arh .. now heavy rain .. better dun go walk leh, u know, got thunder n lightning n bad guys n most of all u stay in ss2 n i stay in subang. ;)

Sunwaykid, u bad bad boy la .. encourage ppl go walk in the evening esp raining time .. :p

pucman
17-02-2006, 03:52 PM
Cherry

I don't know whether you heard the real story of a malaysian auntie which fought very hard with the snatch thief around SS2 and end up in a coma. Don't know whether she survived or not.

Next time, put your things in your pocket.

cherry
17-02-2006, 04:42 PM
Cherry

I don't know whether you heard the real story of a malaysian auntie which fought very hard with the snatch thief around SS2 and end up in a coma. Don't know whether she survived or not.

Next time, put your things in your pocket.


I didn't hear that story... :eek: I guess letting go is the best way. I was actually thinking of fighting for my life just for the bag but I'm afraid I'll get run over by the other guy or even go into coma when I fall.

Yeah, you're right... the police even advice me to put handphone money and IC in pocket.

cherry
17-02-2006, 04:50 PM
Alex, you're really a daring person... if I'm in that first situation, I would have given my money already. I just hope there are something that we can do to fight this crime before more lives taken.

Sunwaykid, thanks for the suggestion but I'll be prepared this time carrying only a huge umbrella with me. Kokomo, no worries... :)

alexhay
17-02-2006, 04:52 PM
Cherry....thanks..if one to one I am daring enough lar...but if 3 person...friend..i am no Jet Li or Jackie Chan man...how I know if those 3 other fellows got more parang wth them..

lilifjp
17-02-2006, 05:16 PM
Cherry, Thanks goodness you are ok. After all the ordeal that you went thru, luckily you are not injured. I know it is a big hassle to replace IC, ATM card ,credit card etc. Money can be easily earned. Let's all just curse the stupid snatch thieves that hopefully, they fall off their motorbike soon and quickly drop dead ! :rolleyes:

orchipalar
17-02-2006, 06:06 PM
Sometime ago...Orchi's wifey punya handbag(containing cellphone...cash...ic...driving license...car keys...house/shop keys n some personal stuffs)... was stolen from one of the salons...err...it happened when everybody was too busy to notice anything amiss...

The next day after filing the Police report...n gotten all locks to the car/house/shops replaced...Orchi got a call from a stranger saying that part of the missing belongings were thrown away next to a drain in RAWANG!...

The caller claimed that he got Orchi's number from Orchi's business card left among the belongings...n that his brother(a mute) had found the items left by the side of the drain...where he was working as a grass cutter...

Err...the same night around midnight...Orchi had gone to Rawang to meet with the brothers...to get back everything except the cash...keys...n the cellphone...in exchange of a tip for RM200 given to the 2 brothers.

The most precious of all items...though gotten slightly damaged n wet...is a picture of our 2 little Orchis standing side by side of each other...taken when they were 2 and 5 years old respectively...

Sato
18-02-2006, 02:11 PM
few years back when my wife was robbed in my own front gate, one of the indonesian robber that is on the motorbike,come down from the motorbike and take out a parang about 2 feets long from inside of his jean. My wife was shouting for help, i quickly rush out from my kitchen, they manage to run away. That morning about 10.30am i bring her to report in Puchong police station, according to the inspector in charge that morning alone already few cases reported as early as 6.30am along the same street by that two morons. Suprisingly they didn't do anything after we report the case. What the heck are the doing resting their butt in the station? waiting for more cases to happen ka? :mad:

evecyanide
18-02-2006, 05:54 PM
Happened to me in D'sara Uptown. I was at a taxi stand. One guy parked his motor, ran towards me with a big square block of wood. I was carrying a sling bag. He tried to pull it off me but I refused to let go. He hit me at my jaws with the wood but because he was so close to me, the impact was not very hard (BUt damn pain lah!!). There was a cofee-shop full of people but they all just stood there and stared (Damn idiots thought that I was having a lover's quarell... duh...) Anyway, the guy gave up after I refused to let go of my bag and he left. No number plate on his bike. My hands were bleeding from trying to stop the wood from touching me and I suffered burns from my bag strap. :(

alexhay
18-02-2006, 06:17 PM
eve...u r a strong gusty lady....next time...try to kick him at the part between his legs...sure he will fall down...then that time u can shout, robbers !!!

pucman
18-02-2006, 07:37 PM
I didn't hear that story... :eek: I guess letting go is the best way. .

http://www.nwatch.net.my/topicOpen.cfm?id=AE9B9F93-AE5D-4F97-B19B0343DD5B20AB&start=1&count=10

PETALING JAYA: Malaysians from all walks of life have called for an all-out effort to fight the snatch theft scourge, including roping in personnel from the Police Volunteer Reserve (PVR) and General Operations Force (GOF).

They say the increased presence of police personnel will go to a great extent to deter snatch thieves.

They also urged the public to get rid of their apathy and to make citizenís arrests.

The call from community leaders, social groups and government leaders came as another senseless case in broad daylight was reported in Sibu yesterday.

This time, a 41-year-old woman was injured as she was dragged several metres along a road after she fought back by holding on to the T-shirt of a pillion rider who snatched her gold necklace.

She suffered minor injuries and bruises on her knees and arms during the 9.30am incident.

On Monday, Nanyang Siang Pau clerk Chong Fee Cheng, 37, died two days after going into a coma following a fall during a snatch theft in Johor Baru.

Last month, 37-year-old clerk Chin Wai Fun also died after fighting a snatch thief in Brickfields, Kuala Lumpur.

According to MCA Public Services and Complaints Department head Datuk Michael Chong, police statistics on snatch thefts might only be the tip of the iceberg because many victims did not lodge police reports.

evecyanide
19-02-2006, 01:53 AM
eve...u r a strong gusty lady....next time...try to kick him at the part between his legs...sure he will fall down...then that time u can shout, robbers !!!

Yeah, I should have done that but I was kinda busy trying to hold on to my bag and making sure I didn't get hit again!

kokomo
19-02-2006, 02:58 PM
eve, u r actually busy wif your hands .. but your legs can do something wan ma .. jz kick him only .. that time he also cannot do anything cos his hands also busy ma .. and guys normally dun kick gurls wan ..

evecyanide
19-02-2006, 03:34 PM
Hah, that idiot was not a normal guy. God knows what he could have done to me! Janji I selamat ok lah...

kokomo
20-02-2006, 08:57 AM
Errr ... rob, rape & murder? :rolleyes:

evecyanide
20-02-2006, 01:34 PM
Choi!!! Touch wood...

kokomo
20-02-2006, 01:43 PM
example only la .. now u're still alrite, still here can reply in usj.com ma .. :p

leewinnie46
20-02-2006, 02:35 PM
wow.... i see many daring ppl here oh..

still remember my time while i need to work up 4:30, a bit of cleaning and wearing, rushing to bus station before 5:00am... i wear those jacket (you will only see motobike driver wearing it nowsaday),a big umbrella (meant for golf),a pouch with money for bus fare.... , and a pair of slippers (those non slip during rainny day).... thanks god, nothing happen during the past 8 years.

when i reach office, (the most early ppl in the office) i undress jacket, wear my high heel back as ordinary office attire.... but at evening i would wear the same thing to get the bus back again.... sometime even carry two bag full of recycle a4 paper to be sell at factory for recycling purpose.

a lot of ladies in office discuss about my attire .... it look so awful like a hawker stall seller.... but these are the ppl that being target for robbed...... everyone of them experience that before (but they drive to work) during my conversation with them.

do you need to wear a "gold plate" necklace or bracalet so the robber can easily identify their target ........ ?? many old lady think that where ever they go, somebody accompany them, either son or daughter or in-law, they don't even bother about your advice but they may not have chance to thanks you one day.

i am not smart, but i want to keep low profile so ppl might not notice me

anyone know where can we lady learn self defense lesson, self protection and protect my kids would be my main target, I always think of how a hen protect their chick when somebody intrude..... immediately our reaction would be turn to that way if needed to protect our kids

cherry
20-02-2006, 02:54 PM
Well, I just don't know what are the police is doing nowadays... It seems that the streets are not safe anymore. :( I just heard from my boss that there was an incident where a lady was forced to swallow her false gold chain when the thieve who snatched the chain found out it was a phony and came back to find her. Lucky for me they didn't go back to look for me and ask me to swallow my RM1 worth of coins.... :eek:

leewinnie46
20-02-2006, 03:03 PM
cherry, police may or may not be helpful but good neighbour would be added advantage.. but pls be careful as this ppl might come back to look for you, bring a big umbrella (build you muscle everyday for the moment to fight back if needed)

recall my two neighbour (malay) help to guard the area from 1:00 to 6:30 during chinese new year where a lot of ppl balik kampung

kokomo
20-02-2006, 03:06 PM
yeap, having good neighbours around your area is very important to keep on a lookout for each other .. otherwise how big the umbrella also will kena lah .. but at least u hv a certain protection ..

bslee
20-02-2006, 03:08 PM
It sickens me to hear the plight of snatch victims. How I wish I could put a grenade or bomb in the bag and then let them snatch it. Then I could detonate it in their face!.

leewinnie46
20-02-2006, 03:13 PM
bslee, if got such a bomb, i would be the first one who buy few dozen and let those ppl snatch my handbag...... at least i can reduce 1% of robbery.....

dare to come again, come, come, mari bomb

sirgalahad2010
20-02-2006, 03:16 PM
Well, you can't expect the police to be everywhere all the time, can you? Not unless we are willing to put up with a big increase in the police budget. And the police can't be held responsible for the environment and policies that spawn the snatch thieves.

Who, exactly, are these snatch thieves? Illegal immigrants? Drug addicts? School dropouts? Seasoned criminals? Or desperadoes out for a quick score?

Unless the problem is identified clearly and precisely, rational solutions cannot be expected.

You can, for example, well say that the sale of motorbikes should be banned, because most of the snatch thieves ride motorbikes while committing their crimes. But does the end justify the means?

Or the rakyat should press for the right to bear arms. I can just see a dimunitive Mak Cik confronting a snatch thief with a .45 semi-auto pistol in her hand and shouting "come on, punk - make my day!"

cherry
20-02-2006, 03:24 PM
The later one sounds more tempting... :p

bslee
20-02-2006, 03:27 PM
Who, exactly, are these snatch thieves? Illegal immigrants? Drug addicts? School dropouts? Seasoned criminals? Or desperadoes out for a quick score?
Unless the problem is identified clearly and precisely, rational solutions cannot be expected.
You can, for example, well say that the sale of motorbikes should be banned, because most of the snatch thieves ride motorbikes while committing their crimes. But does the end justify the means?
Or the rakyat should press for the right to bear arms. I can just see a dimunitive Mak Cik confronting a snatch thief with a .45 semi-auto pistol in her hand and shouting "come on, punk - make my day!"

Carrying arms, banning of bikes will not put an end to the crime. You, I and 20 million other citizens knows this well enough. Not a feasible idea for our local mindset and culture.
Women would probably have to find ways and change to reduce the possiblity of snatch. These days are now different and we'd have use our own ingunity to adapt. I know it may be difficult to convince our better half or mothers to comply but better late than never.
As for me, I now carry a fully zipped sling bag rather than having wallet, phone and others in my pockets when gallavanting in the city alone.

ghkok747
20-02-2006, 05:42 PM
I would consider all options, up to and including arming ourselves. We shouldn't make ourselves sitting ducks for criminals. Isn't it time to fight back ? It's getting worse. By not doing anything, it will get even worse. I would say we must do WHATEVER IT TAKES to fight crime. Until we get it under control, then we ease up a bit. If we wait until all the committees are set up and all the countless studies to complete, many more people are going to end up dead and injured. It's a war out there ... on the streets, in our neighbourhoods, .... its time to equip ourselves and FIGHT BACK !!! Even if it costs us our lives !

bslee
20-02-2006, 06:56 PM
I would consider all options, up to and including arming ourselves. We shouldn't make ourselves sitting ducks for criminals. Isn't it time to fight back ? It's getting worse. By not doing anything, it will get even worse. I would say we must do WHATEVER IT TAKES to fight crime.!

Hmmmm!...reminds me of that one scene in Back to the future II where Michael J Fox arrives back briefly in his hometown only to find anarchy and mayhem. Even his school master is now armed with a double barrel and everyone within 3 yards is a criminal suspect. Then its a shootout like a western movie.

It could be like this u know?.. :rolleyes:

leewinnie46
21-02-2006, 12:32 AM
it's time to fight back but don't fight when you have not plan ... just read paper and a 17 years old young man, surround by 20 over indian..... he call his brother, sister in law and brother's two friend to be whack, poor young man still in comma .....

but kepong and jinjang area also suffer the same thing, too much of snatch , robbery, theives happen in day time

did you realise, when this kind of accident happen, your neighbour or stranger will not pull to help but watch with close arm

be extra x 2 alert when you are walking alone toward a quiet place, remember that no one will protect us but ourself

baby
21-02-2006, 01:17 AM
How about putting a GPS device into all our handbags. :D

Whatever it is, I'd just let those buggers take whatever they want, without trying to be hero putting up a fight. It's not worth the risk, ladies, esp.
Better not wear too much glittering jewellery either.

evecyanide
21-02-2006, 07:30 AM
Glittering jewellery is a definite no-no.

I like sirgalahad's idea of bearing arms :p though we know that it will never be implemented for fear that the public might abuse the right. Nanti tak pasal2, fight a bit, shoot each other to death...

I guess having a pepper spray might help. Just make sure it's not just being kept in the handbag. Ladies, when walking alone, try to clutch/hug your handbags close to your chest. The pepper spray should already be in your grasp.

jessi24
21-02-2006, 08:34 AM
Weapons or arms? No way people nowadays are too hotheaded. Look at the road rages. Just imagine if guns were legalized here. :eek:
Some people will tell you what to do if you are confronted by snatch thieves. However sometimes the 'victim' knows what to do but can't due to shock. Sometimes we know we should just let go and let them have the bag and what not but due to anger or shock our reactions at that instant may be very different.
Once upon a time I was once a victim of snatch thieves. It was in SS2, inner lane infront of another coffee outlet a few doors away from coffee bean. Didn't expect it as it was in the inner lane and the thieves was driving a car. I know I should let go but at that time I was too mad. My first instinct was 'I'm going to kill you when I get my hands on you'. The thief was probably a drug addict or I was mad enough making me stronger and I had already pulled the thief half out of the car window till his partner, the driver was smart enough to step on the gas pedal and zoomed off. I had to let go then but hurt my arm due to the force of the car from moving away. No one bothered to help even the 'guys' around. My sister was still in shock and still standing holding her phone till I snatched her phone from her to call the police but by the time they picked up the phone, the thieves were already far away.

That incident made me realize a person can't really guarantee their reactions towards an incident even if they know what they are supposed to be doing.

kokomo
21-02-2006, 09:26 AM
I would like to share this story happened few years back. There is this lady which I know works in KL, Menara TA. One evening while she was bout to get into her car in a basement carpark, there is this stranger from the back actually pulled her hair and dragged her to the staircase which doesn't have any useless guards around. From there, he whack her up nicely, raped her and murdered her there. After that, this inhuman fella .. took her belongings like credit card, cash and so on away from her to use it.

The very next day only, somebody found her body there lying dead! So you tell me, pepper spray or not it still doesn't work. Best thing is learn how to defend yourself although I understand that men are always known to hv greater strength than a women.

It came out in the newspaper years back and this lady punya family of cos was very sad and had also vouch to find the murderer of their daughter. So peeps, in some cases of just a snatch victim could end up something else. Please be very alert in public and in quiet area.

leewinnie46
21-02-2006, 11:55 AM
learning self defense and build up some muscle..... only chance to help us change the story

but we lady are too afraid to build up muscle and wanted to take opportunity to lost everything, to keep slim :(

did anyone saw Sin Chew Jit Poh 53 years old mum have a body build as though she is 20++... can't sit still and do nothing but busy carry my 10 and 13 kg daughter around in shopping centre to help build more muscle

especially when i were sleveless, everyone notice i am graduate from gym... hard muscle woh...

Jose Mourinho
21-02-2006, 12:01 PM
learning self defense and build up some muscle..... only chance to help us change the story

Yes. The change of the story could be that we would probably be dead. Unless you have a mountain behind you to back you up all the way, none of us is of any match against those who live and are prepared to die violently.

baby
21-02-2006, 12:20 PM
learning self defense and build up some muscle..... only chance to help us change the story



Have thought of that but it would be too risky la Winnie. Those buggers come with knives and parangs and what have you. So how to fight? Unless if it's a one to one fight with no arms then ok la, probably have to set up a date for the fight. :D Just kidding, been thinking about Jet Li in Fearless. Great fights. Watched it yesterday.

Jose Mourinho
21-02-2006, 12:29 PM
Life is cheap to many criminals. My point of contention is whether you are willing to risk your life and make your spouse a widower/widow and your children without a parent.

sirgalahad2010
21-02-2006, 01:01 PM
Ok, but no one has answered the question why these things are happening in the first place and who the perpetrators are.

I mean, are these school dropouts, illegal immigrants, the retrenched and jobless, drug addicts or what?

Is it due to a failure of govt policies or of family life in Msia?

Or are we prepared to blame the govt for everything?

baby
21-02-2006, 01:14 PM
Ok, but no one has answered the question why these things are happening in the first place and who the perpetrators are.

I mean, are these school dropouts, illegal immigrants, the retrenched and jobless, drug addicts or what?

Is it due to a failure of govt policies or of family life in Msia?

Or are we prepared to blame the govt for everything?

I would say..a little of all the above? Sorry, wrong answer huh. But what can we do about it. Now.

evecyanide
21-02-2006, 01:30 PM
I would like to share this story happened few years back. There is this lady which I know works in KL, Menara TA. One evening while she was bout to get into her car in a basement carpark, there is this stranger from the back actually pulled her hair and dragged her to the staircase which doesn't have any useless guards around. From there, he whack her up nicely, raped her and murdered her there. After that, this inhuman fella .. took her belongings like credit card, cash and so on away from her to use it.

The very next day only, somebody found her body there lying dead! So you tell me, pepper spray or not it still doesn't work. Best thing is learn how to defend yourself although I understand that men are always known to hv greater strength than a women.

It came out in the newspaper years back and this lady punya family of cos was very sad and had also vouch to find the murderer of their daughter. So peeps, in some cases of just a snatch victim could end up something else. Please be very alert in public and in quiet area.

A friend of mine was almost robbed by a taxi driver. Drove her somewhere deserted and quiet. When she confronted him, he stopped the car and whipped out a knife. Luckily she had a pepper spray and she sprayed the eyes of the driver!! Her side of the door was child locked so, while the driver's attention was diverted to his own burning eyes, she managed to slip out thru the other door.

See...pepper spray better than nothing what...

aRwEn
21-02-2006, 01:36 PM
Ok, but no one has answered the question why these things are happening in the first place and who the perpetrators are.

I mean, are these school dropouts, illegal immigrants, the retrenched and jobless, drug addicts or what?

Is it due to a failure of govt policies or of family life in Msia?

Or are we prepared to blame the govt for everything?


if they reinstate capital punishmt, ie d death penalty, it shld be a deterrent.... one of my frenz went 2 beijing 4 work cuz they hav a branch there..... n after all d mtgz, he had dinner wit hiz 2 female colleaguez (fr china) there. after dinner, he offerd 2 walk tm back home cuz it wuz adee ard 11pm..... but they actuali told him no nid cuz it iz extremely safe..... cuz they impose death penalty on rapistz, robberz, murdererz, etc.... so d crime rate iz veri low.... most ppl wud rather earn an honest living.....

lilifjp
21-02-2006, 01:40 PM
I stay in Puchong and have seen so many ppl got their handbag snatched. Even while talking on the handphone, they also want to snatch hp. Yes, also saw two people on the motorbike using parang and asking my neighbour to handover her gold chain and bracelet and handbag in front of her house. It all happen in a split second. What do you think I can do to help ? I may end up dead if I use my umbrella and try to hit them. Even if I run out and chase them, they would have zoom off already.

In my opinion, we should quickly deport all jobless immigrants. Use the army ships and send them back.

The other group involved are drug addicts. Our own people who got in the wrong track in life. We should get them to wash the public toilets, clean the drains, clean & paint the schools during school holidays etc. Maybe they can be turned into construction workers to finish off the abandoned houses. We have free labours.

Just my simple opinion. :)

kokomo
21-02-2006, 02:48 PM
A friend of mine was almost robbed by a taxi driver. Drove her somewhere deserted and quiet. When she confronted him, he stopped the car and whipped out a knife. Luckily she had a pepper spray and she sprayed the eyes of the driver!! Her side of the door was child locked so, while the driver's attention was diverted to his own burning eyes, she managed to slip out thru the other door.

See...pepper spray better than nothing what...

Sometimes, we as human beings in a state of shocked, got pepper spray also dunno how to take out and use la. I do agree wif u pepper spray is at least better than nothing but what matters is are / should we trained to be mentally prepare for all this scenario.

sirgalahad2010
21-02-2006, 04:27 PM
Maybe the govt should take a tip from Rudy Giulani (former mayor of New York) who implemented a "zero tolerance" policy on crime in New York when he was mayor.

Amongst other measures (like increased police patrols and neighbourhood watch groups), the policy also had mandatory jail sentences for perpetrators of snatch thefts and the eviction of the homeless and drug addicts from the streets of New York.

It worked. Crime in New York dipped by astonishing amounts (I don't have the figures handy).

I think that if we can get our illegal immigrants and drug addicts off the streets, then it would be a good start.

Or how about a "law-abiding citizens to reclaim the streets of our towns and cities" campaign. Show these bums and lowlifes that there is no place for them to run and to hide!

Choon1980
21-02-2006, 04:48 PM
Vigilante groups, anyone? We should put our leftover fireworks from CNY to good use. Take out some scum of the Earth and have fun doing it!

leewinnie46
21-02-2006, 04:57 PM
ai yah, learning self defense so we won't be so scare to witness the incident, not so much to fight but to back off when needed..

ghkok747
21-02-2006, 06:36 PM
Here are the causes of our crime situation :

1. unemployment - people losing their jobs due to factories moving to China, slowdown in construction industry, drop in foreign investment, not enough new jobs being created to feed the huge numbers entering the job market (mind you, we have one of the highest population growth rate in the world - no thanks to Mahathir's "70 million population" idea). - in short, too many people chasing too few jobs

2. influx of immigrants - chasing the same jobs, making it worse

3. no Social Security - when you are down and out, there's no cushion unlike in Western countries where you go "on the dole" - at least there's some money to feed yourself and the kids

4. corruption - it sucks the life out of our society, it deprives people ... for eg. a RM10 million project goes to several levels of cronies who pockets, say RM8 million, leaving RM2 million. Since there's only RM2 million left, the people who actually carry out the hard work of the project is paid miserable salaries so that there's some margin left for the contractor. So if you apply that "practise" across the numerous projects nationwide, you will end up with a lot of people earning miserable salaries. Whereas the people who pockets the RM8 million goes out there to buy their imported Mercendez Benzes and BMWs - benefitting a handful of car dealers and AP holders. The bulk of the money flows out of the country, instead of being channeled to the local economy.

Corruption also affects us in other ways ... people who apply for, say, hawker license or pasar malam license or any other license need to pay their way through. This is added cost. Their income is squeezed, or they can raise their prices, that makes the rest of us suffer. Either way, we all suffer, especially the lower income.

5. So you have a situation where there are no jobs, and when the jobs are there, the income is just not enough. Then you have no Social Security. The result is desperation, depression.

6. Some take to drugs. Which lead them further down the hole. The statistics tell the story ... increase in number of drug addicts year after year.

7. Some take to gambling. As if that will solve their problem. You can't blame them. It leads them further down the hole. Just look at the news ... problems with Alongs on the increase.

8. Some will go crazy. Note the increase in violent crimes ... random crimes - rapes, murders.

9. Many will take to crime. The criminal organisations of Msia are working full-time to recruit. It's an employer's market. There are many applicants. Many jobs are available - you can do major jobs like steal cars, lorries, power generators, rob banks, kill (for money), kidnap ... or you can start with minor ones like snatch thefts, break-ins, sell DVDs, ... you can work alone, work in pairs, or work in teams. It pays well, more than some are earning from their miserable jobs, certainly better than not having a job. Its low risk ... the police are never in sight, victims don't fight back, neighbours look away. As you gain experience and reputation, its gets more and more lucrative. Just like any other job. Just try to avoid killing any policeman, or politician, or the taikor's son. Anyone else is ok.

10. It comes to a point where, for many people in that situation, crime offers better opportunities than getting a normal job. It pays well, offers promotion, no racial barriers, no quotas. It becomes THE growth industry. Its low risk, high returns, low barrier to entry. If we don't do anything, it will grow to a point of no return.

evecyanide
22-02-2006, 08:14 AM
10. It comes to a point where, for many people in that situation, crime offers better opportunities than getting a normal job. It pays well, offers promotion, no racial barriers, no quotas. It becomes THE growth industry. Its low risk, high returns, low barrier to entry. If we don't do anything, it will grow to a point of no return.

Remember Azman Abdul Ghani? The rich habitual snatch theif who led a luxurious life? He owned a Mercedes Benz and a Proton Perdana V6 :p

cherry
22-02-2006, 02:50 PM
Ghkok, that's a very good insight of the situation but you're forgetting something... I guess the root to the whole picture is the family life in Malaysia and the enviroment. The more we embrace technology and sophisticated life the more crime and immorality. What can we do? I think its always good to start from home... live a moderate and have a quality life.

cherry
22-02-2006, 02:59 PM
Anyway, I went to apply for a temporary IC and I still have to pay RM 5 although I have a police report. Then went to the bank to get a new ATM, need to pay RM 8 for BCB and RM 12 for RHB. I was surprise when I ask them why should I pay for penalty when I have the police report and the officers told me that its my carelessness and the bank would loose a lot if they bear the cost :eek:

aRwEn
22-02-2006, 04:17 PM
hmm.... one of my frenz wuz d unfortunate victim of a snatch thief twice..... last month n again diz month..... she livez in one of d SS2 link hsez near cheowyang coffeeshop.....

wn she arrived home 2 guyz on a bike juz rode in after she drove her car in2 d hse..... she wuz 2 shockd 2 react.....

imagine havin 2 buy a new hp, cancel all her cardz, n reapply 4 all her documentz twice!!! :(

d strange thing iz dat particular day it happend, i heard of another fren who came out of a shop a few doorz away fr cheowyang..... n her bag oso got snatchd....

both happend on d same day n within d same locatn n in d afternoon so itz broad daylight!!! hmm.... same thievez??!!

i wunder if havin thoz residentz patrol wud help onot?

kokomo
22-02-2006, 04:44 PM
having patrol around housing area not to say not good, at least it can scare away those no guts thieves ... but what bout those regular wif guts punya thieves???? do u think it make any diff to them?

lilifjp
22-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Cherry, sorry to hear after your ordeal, still kena pay penalty :confused:

Anyway, do you think it is cheaper just to cancel the ATM without replacement ? Open another new account with new ATM card, no charge imposed right ? Later, just transfer all your money from old account to new account. RM12 for RHB card is alot. If only the banks are kind and waive replacement cards without charge.

leewinnie46
22-02-2006, 10:40 PM
a friend got snatch and both her master and visa credit card need replacement, citibank charges RM50 for replacement, she pay RM50 x 2.... that have not include her ATM card, yet..

kokomo
22-02-2006, 10:56 PM
Banks will alwiz take opportunity to charge anyone / anybody whom is careless and unfortune. Errmm .. u can call them day light robbers / license robbers .... $50 for a credit card! :mad: Should hv jz tell them waived it or u change to another bank for a free credit card ...

cherry
23-02-2006, 09:53 AM
I'm trying out whether they are willing to waiver the credit card replacement fee by faxing over the police report. Let's just hope it works...

This morning on my way to the bus station, lady watering her plants called me and warned me to be careful with my sling bag because yesterday she heard a lady yelling outside the house and found out that the lady's bag was snatched. I think its the snatching season now... Now everyday I would walk and look around whether there would be suspicious person around and whenever a motorbike passing I would stop walking and get ready with my big umbrella. I just don't know how long do I have to be like this... walking in fear and paranoid :(

kokomo
23-02-2006, 10:12 AM
seems like ss2 from b4 till now it has neva been a safe place huh .. few years back when my friend was studyin' in SEGI College (formerly known as Systematic College) while walkin' on his way to his car which is parked at d next lane, so had to walk thru the dark lorong .. suddenly out of no where there is a guy came from behind snatch his bag n ran off!!!

so those whom are walking alone in a dark n lonely lane .. is best u carry something easy to whack them or walk in groups ..

chsum
23-02-2006, 10:19 AM
cherry, if they still don't waive the fees, threaten to cancel the card and say u got other card that is free then they will replace it for free. :D

leewinnie46
23-02-2006, 10:25 AM
don't carry yoUr sling or handbag, put everything in pocket lah n don't wear GOLD

wear sport shoes to work n change your SHOES IN THE OFFICE

baby
23-02-2006, 11:11 AM
Now everyday I would walk and look around whether there would be suspicious person around and whenever a motorbike passing I would stop walking and get ready with my big umbrella. I just don't know how long do I have to be like this... walking in fear and paranoid :(

I do the same too!! Tho I drive, but whenever I get down the car, no no, before I even open my car door actually, I'd look around to see if there are any suspicious looking characters in cars or bikes parked at the lanes. It is depressing, and sickening actually, from the moment I get down the car till I open the gate with my keys. Who knows, someone might just pounce on me even when I'm opening the door. But good thing I still have some courage to do this repeatedly everyday.
:o

tiga
23-02-2006, 03:03 PM
Be extra careful and just assume those around you are bad guys, especially when you go to bank or ATM. Also better don't use your handphone while walking, you will have no time to react when you loss your HP.

cherry
27-02-2006, 09:47 AM
The thieves had done it again... my housemate got snatched last Friday evening (SS2/95) and she manage to fight for her bag but end up in stiches :eek:

She told me it was an instant reflexs when she realize the thieve was cutting her bag handle from behind, she moved and that why she got cut on the right hand index finger and her left left arm. She was screaming so loud at the alley that the neighbours came out to see what was happened. They didn't manage to pick up the bag on the ground because one of the neighbours screamed at them and they quickly left the place.

She was send to the hospital when a good samaritan saw her bleeding profusely.. Her cut was so deep that the doctors have to stich the wounds. From the description that she told me it was the same snatch thieves that I had encountered. She also told me that the uncle who send her to the hospital was robbed at a knife point before while jogging around the area and the thieves were asking for money. He told them that he didn't have anything and they took his watch and gold ring instead. The best part is they even insist to check his pockets to know whether he's bluffing them :eek:

evecyanide
27-02-2006, 07:52 PM
My ex-colleague just got robbed 3 days ago. He was assaulted with a parang. 3 of his fingers was almost chopped off and he got slashes and cuts on his body. He lost consiousness after that. Ended up in ICU and still in ICU now :(

Want to rompak people, just rompak lah... why have to chop people with parang etc?

orchipalar
27-02-2006, 10:18 PM
My ex-colleague just got robbed 3 days ago. He was assaulted with a parang. 3 of his fingers was almost chopped off and he got slashes and cuts on his body. He lost consiousness after that. Ended up in ICU and still in ICU now :(

Want to rompak people, just rompak lah... why have to chop people with parang etc?Err...markets are shrinking by the hours...costs of businesses are shooting UP...businesses are spiralling down...lots of people n MORE could be loosing their jobs n livelihood...

Ahem....many would attempt to do the unimaginable...or resort to committing crimes...

VeeJay
27-02-2006, 10:41 PM
Ahem....many would attempt to do the unimaginable...or resort to committing crimes...

As Orchi reported, with the petrol price increase soom many of us would also seek the path... :mad: :mad: hmmm geram nya!!!

kokomo
28-02-2006, 09:39 AM
next time around now, might even find more ppl tryin' to steal petrol from our cars .. cos of the stupid increase of petrol neva know what ppl will do .. :mad:

cherry
24-03-2006, 04:58 PM
Just want to update the forumers here on the injustice act of the Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara. Well, I was charge RM40 as a second penalty for loosing my IC. The first time was actually my fault which happen 5 years ago. But I'm not sure whether I am accountable this time.... I took the trouble to write to the PM and also a few e-mail addresses (JPN & Unit Perhubungan Awam) that I got from the Net to express my disappointment. Here goes...

Wajarkah Mangsa Ragut Didenda

Kepada sesiapa yang berkenaan,

Saya inginkan penjelasan daripada pihak Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara berkenaan dengan denda yang dikenakan terhadap mangsa ragut yang kehilangan kad pengenalan diri. Saya ingin menyampaikan rasa kesal kerana saya adalah salah seorang daripada mangsa ragut yang dikenakan bayaran denda apabila saya mengambil MyKad tempoh hari. Ini menunjukkan bahawa pihak tuan tidak prihatin terhadap mangsa-mangsa ragut and ada juga sesetengah pihak membuat andaiyan bahawa kes ragut adalah kesilapan mangsa tersebut.

Masalah ini bukan saja dihadapi daripada pihak tuan malah juga dari pihak bank untuk permohonan kad ATM dengan alasan mereka akan rugi besar jika tidak mengenakan sebarang denda terhadap mangsa. Saya berpendapat layan yang diberikan memang tidak adi bak kata pepatah "Sudah Jatuh Ditimpa Tangga".

Oleh itu, saya berharap agar pihak tuan dapat memberikan penjelasan lanjut atau langkah yang sewajarnya diambil bagi membela nasib kami.


Yang Benar,
Cherry* (Not the real name)

I'm not hoping for a miracle but if I got an answer from them at least I that the e-mail works...

littl3bee
29-03-2006, 10:13 AM
Hi hi all, good day ya. i m new joined member ;) n Cherry , sry to hear bout ur incident.
i can understand ur feeling cos i been robbed b4 in bangsar by 2 "CHINESE GUYS" in a white wira. I can never forget bout that day n the worst part is , i was so shocked and i got nthg left with me but the police asked for RmM2.00 to make a report.

Cherry, take this as a lesson n be more alert when u walking alone. n try not to carry beg. my mum oso been rob once infront of taipan's public bank n made her miscarry a 2 months old baby. :mad:

patrick
29-03-2006, 10:22 AM
Last Wednesday, it was drizzling and I was walking home with an umbrella from the bus stop around 6.30pm. When I reach at one corner of the housing area in SS2 which is just 2 minutes walk from home, I saw 2 Indian guys on a bike passing me. Then, I felt my bag pack was pulled from ...

Cherry, just a small verification. Is it really SS2 or you really meant USJ2? Thanks.

cherry
29-03-2006, 10:45 AM
Littl3bee, I'm sorry to hear that... Now, everytime I go out I'll be extra careful and I even refuse to answer any calls when I'm walking but if I have too, I would find a spot and ask the person to call me again. I rarely use bag handbag or any bags when I go out and wear trousers with pocket only to put in my things. These are a few steps that I do to avoid such incident to happen again. If it happens again, I think you would all know who to blame because I know I did my part to prevent it from happening.

Patrick, it happened in SS2 (known to be the most snatching prone area).... :eek:

littl3bee
29-03-2006, 10:52 AM
:D now when i walking n i hear the bike's sound i will run to a plc where i can hide.... :p eventhough i dint carry a bag.And my fren say that i m overacting. :(

cherry
29-03-2006, 11:10 AM
I know what you mean...hehehe I too run to the furthest spot from the road to take cover and try to look at the face, the type of motorbike and the plate number :p

evecyanide
29-03-2006, 01:20 PM
Bee, I was almost a victim once. I understand how you feel cos I feel the same way too whenever I'm walking alone and I hear the sound of a bike nearby. I won't say it's over reacting, I'd say it's better to take precaution. Better safe than sorry, right?

Cherry, right on!

littl3bee
29-03-2006, 01:42 PM
ya.. i rather being overact then regret after the thing happen. And i hope that for those who never face this incident take our experience as a lesson. Becos now i still see single woman walking alone with a big bag n talk on phone.sometimes i just feel like stop them n give them advice. :o