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USJ27Resident
05-02-2006, 01:26 AM
Hi guys... :( Just to share an incident that happened to me on the 3/Feb @ Taipan.

Sent my little girl for ballet... went to the bank... came back to the ballet school, and then went upstairs to wait for her... 15 bloody minutes and guess what... some bloody PRICK smashed my side window and zapped my IBM R40 laptop from under the seat. :mad:

Made a police report and was told that these thieves uses scanner to detect electronic devices in the car... can anyone highlight this device ( does it exist! :confused: )

What is weird is ... the laptop was never in view... hidden under the seat!!! I never took it out anywhere in public view!!!

From now on... I swear ( If I ever catch a perp! again ) I am gonna beat the crap out of the fella, just out of sheer frustration!!! :mad: God help the next fella I catch, cos I am angry as sh!t - the laptop was a birthday present and I had 2 full years of work on it!!!!

So... guys (n gals...) please be careful and alert in Taipan...

kwchang
05-02-2006, 01:45 AM
My heartfelt condolences - not so much for the hardware (which can be replaced) but the lost work and data ... Aaaarghhhh !

So it seems there is some way to detect notebooks eh? Another urban legend debunked maybe.

However, my philosophy is never to let a notebook out of my grasp when I am away from home. In the office, have the room locked whenever I leave the place. It is all a big pain. That is why I do not carry a notebook despite the fact that I love them machines.

pcyeoh
05-02-2006, 01:48 AM
Made a police report and was told that these thieves uses scanner to detect electronic devices in the car... can anyone highlight this device ( does it exist! :confused: )

What is weird is ... the laptop was never in view... hidden under the seat!!! I never took it out anywhere in public view!!!
I wonder what device can detect electronic devices such as notebook kept in a car? There is no such device. In my line of work, I have come across people who have their cars broken into and their notebooks stolen. In all cases, if you trace back you would have noticed that along the way, the person who stole your notebook have seen you placing the notebook in your car. My friend had his stolen when he was seen placing his notbook in the boot. The thief trailed him and when he stopped to send his laundry to the shop, in that 3 minute stop, the thief broke into his car and rode off with it. This is their modus operandi. Lesson to learn - Never, never leave your notbook in your car. Always carry it with you. It is very painful not only to suffer monetary loss but also loss of data. You will feel that your private life have been violated when others go thru your information stored in the hard disk.

A couple of years ago, there was a case in Singapore when a foreign author who had with him his final work of a book which he was to send to the publisher in Singapore for publication. He did not do any back up. Whatever earlier version of his manuscript was erased. Upon disembarkment from the plane, he totally forgot about his DELL notebook. He immediately took out a full page advertisement in The Straits Times and offered $ 25,000 reward and until today, no one came forward with his DELL notebook. And that was very very painful indeed.

orchipalar
05-02-2006, 01:55 AM
Err...when we heard of the bad news during last night's TT session...someone mentioned that...the laptop or notebook with bluetooth...could be 'awaken' by others closeby using just a mobile phone which features bluetooth also...

He went on explaining that even if one switches off the notebook or laptop...the system's clock n blue tooth feature would be in 'sleeping' mode...NOT OFF mode.

Hence...anyone with a mobile phone equipped with the similar bluetooth feature would be able to 'wake up' n trace any nearby laptops or notebooks or mobile phones which are bluetooth 'friendly'... :rolleyes:

The same scanning feature could even detect the make n model of such laptops or notebooks or mobile phones...belonging to other parties in the vicinity.

KelvC
05-02-2006, 02:49 AM
It would be interesting if someone with a Bluetooth enable laptop to do this experiment and provide the outcome here;

- The laptop can be detected if hibernated, standby or shutdown (mine with no bluetooth feature stolen from the boot when laptop was placed in boot in public plain view, since then i only place laptop in private & secluded place).

Interesting indeed.

SunwayKid
05-02-2006, 08:59 AM
The availibility of such a device was previously discussed in another thread here.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10537

Jose Mourinho
05-02-2006, 10:37 AM
I use a notebook all the time. I never let it out of my sight. In the office and when I have to go to a meeting in a different room on the same floor or out for a quick lunch, my door is always locked even when my secretary is sitting right outside my office. When I have to go for dinners and appointments in the evenings, I carry the notebook with me - into pubs and restaurants. When I have to go to the washroom in the pubs and restaurants, I carry the notebook with me. When I go for breakfast in the coffee shop in the morning before I go to work, and even when my car is parked right in front of the coffee shop and in my full view, I carry the notebook with me. At home and when I am not in the house, I lock the notebook in the safe. But I am sure if they want to take the notebook away from me, they still can. They can still hack my arm off and carry off my arm together with the notebook.

In other words..... prevention can be done only to certain extent. If they have the will to steal/rob, they will still succeed. Welcome to the world of sick humanity.

pucman
05-02-2006, 10:57 AM
Those stolen laptops end up in low yat or those 'refurbished' computer shops. That's why they can be so cheap. So if you can recognise your laptop, you can search for them there.

There is one 'refurbished' computer shop in TESCO , puchong.

leewinnie46
05-02-2006, 11:31 AM
i don't know whether it is a something normal to let people know you are carrying a notebook of IBM or Dell brand because those carrying case tells.

if you need to carry a video camera, leave the original carrying case at home but take other bag such as pouch, or baby bag

my brother use his notebook for phone ringtone business and he use the cheapest carrying case (a little modifying on the bag for harder coat protection toward the notebook), Xin huang backpack (from china), to avoid people following him where ever he go.

the above suggestion is not a total solution but don't lah bring a carrying case that one recognise it as notebook carrying case.

so to let people get misunderstood, you may try this : -

car key without BMW keychain and replace with cheaper keychain

need to place your notebook underneath your car seat, mess your car seat as though you have "home alone" kids in the car,

replace your door's lock (the cheaper the better, cause if you let people know you have RM1200 door's lock, you are telling people you are so rich that you afford RM1200 for the lock and the inside furniture and jewelry could cost $$$$$

sometimes, it is just good to let ppl know your front yard is in the mess rather than putting a RM1xxx toys outside

always use car lock for your car, cheap better (a car dealer told that if you could get those not too popular car lock, it would make the theft puzzle as they always unlock STop Lock but they see Lock Twice at your car)

if you need to renovate your house, find those well establish or recommended by friend or relative .... otherwise you are in the risk of inviting some unknown ppl to have free glance to ur house

don't temp ppl to break in your car with a branded dvd player in your car

and etc.

USJ27resident, sorry to heard that this happen to you and whoever who own an important data, please have the data backup to other hard disk via USB connection (ie. the hard disk sync with the external hdd), or burn a cd on a rewritable cd frequently, or create a briefcase to another hdd to do sync easily rather than backup the whole my document which took longer time.

Jose Mourinho
05-02-2006, 01:23 PM
Leewinnie. The point is that ordinary and even not-so-ordinary people should have the right to live their lives without being robbed, raped or murdered. If our police (admittedly they cannot be everywhere) is more committed to preventing and speedy solving of crimes instead of finding time to be part-time barbers etc, it may be possible that certain crimes may not have been so rampant. And it also means that I do not have to rip out the logo of my branded shirt and sew on a 'chin-chai' brand with a flying pigeon on the breast pocket.

:)

KelvC
05-02-2006, 04:13 PM
The availibility of such a device was previously discussed in another thread here.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10537
SunwayKid, based on the link provided above, the best way is to shutdown the laptop (not standby nor hibernate) to stop the Bluetooth (and/or wifi) from continuously transmitting hence avoiding unwanted detection from unscrupulous parties.

Lau Teik Ping
05-02-2006, 05:00 PM
I was once told by a hotel carpark security officer to bring along my laptop because there are ppl who come around on a motorbike. They have a scanner to scan whether you have a laptop in ur car or not. Not sure if it's true.

chsum
05-02-2006, 05:41 PM
usj27, sorry to hear u lost ur laptop & have to replace ur car window :eek: , if u don't mind to share some more info so we can learn from it (see too much CSI lah ;) )


Roughly what time was it? did ur alarm go off, if it did, no one notice? which side of the window broken, is it the side where u put ur laptop? did they try to open ur car booth? Did they open all the car doors & search ur car? did they take anything else? did ur laptop have a cover or in a bag, what colour?
Was ur laptop on standby & with bluetooth? any blood stain on window?

my dua sen

SunwayKid
05-02-2006, 06:55 PM
...................the best way is to shutdown the laptop (not standby nor hibernate) to stop the Bluetooth (and/or wifi) from continuously transmitting hence avoiding unwanted detection from unscrupulous parties.

Even if you shutdown the laptop, there is a battery that powers the CMOS. How do you think the time and date is updated on the laptop? Haven't actually seen it in action and not sure whether it is a myth but was told that the scanner can detect this!

Rocky19
05-02-2006, 08:36 PM
Even if you shutdown the laptop, there is a battery that powers the CMOS. How do you think the time and date is updated on the laptop? Haven't actually seen it in action and not sure whether it is a myth but was told that the scanner can detect this!
usj27,

sorry to hear about your loss. Having a back up of critical files is an important thing that can help relieve some of the heartache.

on bluetooth, if your bluetooth is on, someone with another bluetooth can see you and each computer will have an ID. Most of us don't chnage the ID thus the name of the computer will be displayed plus some numbers, Dell- B167233.You can always change the ID. But based on what I know, any bluetooth that wants to communicate needs to pair with each other and needs common password to pair. Otherwise can't pair thus communicate. I tried on my computer and phone, as long as bluetooth is off on computer, phone couldn't detect the computer.Maybe there is some special device that can detect notebooks.

On the battery for clock, the battery for that is very small voltage. Not sure that is capable of giving off signal. That battery is independent of the notebook computer's battery.

expat1609
05-02-2006, 09:38 PM
It would be interesting if someone with a Bluetooth enable laptop to do this experiment and provide the outcome here;

- The laptop can be detected if hibernated, standby or shutdown (mine with no bluetooth feature stolen from the boot when laptop was placed in boot in public plain view, since then i only place laptop in private & secluded place).

Interesting indeed.

this story about the bluetooth is definitely an urban legend.
i even tried it again just now and the phone cannot detect the noetbook, once i did a shutdown.

but even if the notebook with bluetooth is on, the range is about 20 to 30 meters. so if ayone detects a notebook in taipan via bluetooth, there are about 20 cars (maybe taipan even more :D ) and even nearby offices and shops within this range.

if someone can detect notebooks in cars? i doubt that, but who knows?
if detecting electronics, how can this device differentiate a radio, cd-player from a notebook or from the car-electronic??

izni.idris
05-02-2006, 09:41 PM
Sorry to hear it happened to you. I lost mine - an IBM notebook in 2004 behind Istana Negara as I went for the famous ikan bakar at Jalan Bellamy with my colleagues. As you can see the rear windscreen is completely black to keep away prying eyes. But still they got what they wanted. Just like you my important work files are all gone. Cost me about RM400 to replace the rear windscreen and extra for the tinting.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/geoexplorer/back2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/geoexplorer/DSC00510.jpg

If the police wants to book me for the tint I'll show them the pix.

About 1 month ago thieves carried away the spare tyre when I went for my friday prayers at Kampung Baru. So guys if drive a 4wd make sure your spare tyre is locked. They are going after the alloy rims now.

orchipalar
05-02-2006, 09:47 PM
Err...this was earlier posted by SunwayKid:) in another similar thread...previously

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=109896&postcount=6

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10537&page=1&pp=15

Phone pirates in seek and steal mission

MOBILE phone technology is being used by thieves to seek out and steal laptops locked in cars in Cambridgeshire.

Up-to-date mobiles often have Bluetooth technology, which allows other compatible devices, including laptops, to link up and exchange information, and log on to the internet.
Technology pitfall: A bluetooth mobile
Technology pitfall: A bluetooth mobile

But thieves in Cambridge have cottoned on to an alternative use for the function, using it as a scanner which will let them know if another Bluetooth device is locked in a car boot.

Det Sgt Al Funge, from Cambridge's crime investigation unit, said: "There have been a number of instances of this new technology being used to identify cars which have valuable electronics, including laptops, inside.

"The thieves are taking advantage of a relatively new technology, and people need to be aware that this is going on.

"We would urge people not to leave laptops, or anything of value, in their cars, and always de-activate these wireless connections when you're not using a laptop - otherwise you're making life easy for the thieves."

Last month a spate of thefts from cars were put down to thieves using their phones to find laptops after three laptops were stolen from cars parked in neighbouring bays at the Holiday Inn, in Cambridge Road, Impington.

Police in Royston have mirrored the warning, after picking up on new crime trends in the area.

Superintendent Adrian Walter said: "The car industry has done a lot of work in recent years to make vehicles theft proof, including building in stereos and we're glad to say the majority of people seem to be taking our advice and keeping valuables out of sight.

"However, we must not be complacent and by following simple crime prevention methods we can all help to keep vehicle crime down in the area."

The call for caution follows the latest in a string of thefts from cars in Royston.

At about 8.20am last Wednesday, a Sony TR 1MP laptop was taken from an Audi A6 estate parked in Tesco car park off old North Road.

Anyone with any information can call police on (01992) 533002 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10537

leewinnie46
05-02-2006, 10:13 PM
Jose Mourinho,

with these kind of world - rape, murder, robbed and abuse etc going on everyday in the world, we expect police or security guard to be there ? r we out of our mind or we are born yesterday, no fairy tale nor perfect world, learn to protect ourself is the most important thing to do nowsaday....

because ppl enjoy showing their standard, we are in the risk of life for this kind of show, today they want your laptop, or car, tomorrow they want your jewelry on hand and neck, later they want everything and to leave no evidence for the police, they kill....

my daughter bring a tupperware brand to her kindergarten and got stolen, if she bring a mineral water bottle, is still around until today..... i learn and realise why should i risk my family whereby thing can be pretty simple so nobody know we have RM$$$$$ in our pocket and robbed us after in our car.

a friend always drive her mini copper around and recently change to myvi, i ask her why, she told me, a proton saga follow her way back when she go wet market and luckily her son manage to direct her to police station and she pay RM300 for the police to escort her back to her mother place at rumah attap instead of her banglow at Bangsar...... you should know why.

USJ27Resident
05-02-2006, 10:24 PM
usj27, sorry to hear u lost ur laptop & have to replace ur car window :eek: , if u don't mind to share some more info so we can learn from it (see too much CSI lah ;) )


Roughly what time was it? did ur alarm go off, if it did, no one notice? which side of the window broken, is it the side where u put ur laptop? did they try to open ur car booth? Did they open all the car doors & search ur car? did they take anything else? did ur laptop have a cover or in a bag, what colour?
Was ur laptop on standby & with bluetooth? any blood stain on window?

Firstly, I brought my laptop from my house into my car and put it under the front passenger seat... did not take it out of the car when I sent my girl to her ballet school. So I am pretty sure no one saw me put it there! The car alarm DID not go off. They (he?) broke the window of the passenger side and reached under the seat to get at it... in full view of a restaurant that had patrons... and they DID not see anything. Neither did the parents that was walking up and down the stairs of the ballet school!
Yes - the laptop was in a black foam pouch but nothing was showing from when you look from the outside !! Now thats puzzling to me... According to a friend - these thieves uses a pointing device similiar to the device that detect hidden cameras or concealed mikes/bugs! Makes sense... to why only the passenger side window got smashed!
And no, it was not on stanby mode but switched off and no bluetooth. but it was an IBM R40 Centrino 1.6Ghz with 1 BLOODY GIG RAM! And I just got the Li-Ion battery replaced!! Really really feeling @#$%! because it had to happen on my birthday eve! Did not celebrate birthday because no mood! :mad:
Anyway - if anyone of u guys happen to see/hear of an IBM R40 Serial No. FX-B1841 04/03 WITH my name on the underside/battery pack going cheap or on display in a 'refurbish' shop,... please buzz me or PM me... I will be going after the shop owner for buying stolen goods! :mad:

SunwayKid
05-02-2006, 10:28 PM
Thanks Orchi, for highlighting it again.

Such thefts has become so common that it has become a SOP (no pun intended) in the place where I work that whoever has a company laptop stolen from their vehicle will need to replace it at their expense. And if it is a company vehicle windscreen, double whammy, you pay for the broken windscreen too.

As we all know, SOPs has a tendency of rubbing it the wrong way....nowadays, nobody takes work home anymore.......we just leave the laptop in the office!

USJ27Resident
05-02-2006, 10:41 PM
Found this on the web.... still think it is urban legend?



Link (http://www.zapchecker.com/)
ZAP CHECKER products are ultra-sensitive instruments that detect and display Radio Frequency (RF) signals over a broad span of frequencies. They are a new generation of RF measurement tools that employ recently introduced IC technology to measure from very weak to ultra strong signals and differentiate analog from digital communications. They are ideal for wireless installations, detection of covert devices, and detecting and locating undesirable signal sources such as interfering transmissions, RFI, noise and leakage.

YAGI DIRECTIONAL ANTENNA

Why are different types of antennas needed for different wireless communications? The effectiveness and reliability of wireless communication links are often dependent upon the antennas that are employed. The government specifies the frequencies and maximum power levels that can be used for different applications. The power levels are limited to low values for computer wireless links, WLAN, Wi Fi and security /surveillance applications. The radiating power from the transmitting system can effectively be multiplied several times by using an appropriate directional antenna system. Similarly, the sensitivity of the receiving system can be increased several fold by the use of a frequency-specific directional antenna system. Hence, by using frequency-specific directional antennas, the effective wireless connection can be extended to long distances.


Directional antennas are used with the Zap Checker products to customize the directionality, sensitivity and frequency specificity of the RF measurement system. A Yagi antenna is used to maximum the sensitivity (and directionality) of the RF signal along the long axis of the antenna. The length of the Yagi antenna generally determines its sensitivity and directionality: with longer antennas being more sensitive at a specific frequency. The handheld Alan Broadband Co. Yagi antenna will increase the sensitivity and sharpen directionality by a factor of 8 times at 2.4 GHz. The Zap Checker/Yagi antenna combination is optimized for the distant detection of low power wireless devices in the 2.4 GHz band. This makes them particularly applicable for such tasks as aiming and aligning antennas for longer distance communications, for detecting signals at a far distance (such as determining which insulator is arcing at the top of the utility pole) or determining the direction to a micro-power covert transmitter (sweep the room from the door).

LOG PERIODIC ANTENNA

The Zap Checker 300 and ABC 126 are also designed for use with a small triangular 1.8 – 6.4 GHz Log Periodic Antenna. The Log Periodic antenna improves sensitivity and directionality by a factor of about 3 times. This antenna is the most popular one for general use. It improves high frequency reception in the 1.8, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 -5.8 GHz bands (for wireless computer WLANs and surveillance installations) as well as improves measurement of cell phones, wireless phones and high frequency data links. It is ideal for the general detection of covert cameras and bugs (where a high sensitivity is required) and also provides a directional indication of the transmitter’s location

OMNI DIRECTIONAL ANTENNAS

The straight and right-angle-bent screw-on dipole antennas are used for general signal enhancement. They are most sensitive along the side of the antenna and less sensitive at either end. The shorter antennas are particularly applicable for 5 - 6 GHz use whereas the longer antennas are best for 1.8 - 6.4 GHz applications. Most computer wireless devices are used in the 2.4 GHz band, but 802.11a devices are used in the 5 - 6 GHz range.


Guess this things exists.... :mad: http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4162/indeximages6vo.jpg

USJ27Resident
05-02-2006, 10:47 PM
Anyway... thanks to a friend - I was directed to a car window replacement dealer... and found out that their prices are MUCH cheaper that the car dealers/service centres....

My replacement window cost me only RM90 with workmanship compared to almost 4 times if I did it at the dealer. I was also told that they also carry windows and windscreen for almost all makes and models here.

The 3 dealer are in Puchong (behind tesco), one in Section 19 PJ and another one behind Tawakkal Hospital in Jalan Pahang KL. Thought you guys would wanna know... Just in case...

USJ27Resident
05-02-2006, 10:55 PM
Another write up from the link above...


Zap Checker products have unique features to them making them particularly ideal for aircraft security applications. They can detect Radio Frequency signals from 1MHz up to 12+GHz – spanning the entire spectrum of potentially harmful errant transmissions. They are extraordinary sensitive instruments which detect the weakest signals at far distances. They have a Digital as well as an Analog detection mode to particularly pick up digital signals from cell phones, laptops, and PDAs. They also have logarithmic detection to pinpoint the offending signal source without overwhelming the instruments measuring capabilities. They are small and lightweight and have a particularly long battery life using just 2AA batteries. Especially important is the fact that the Zap Checker products are completely passive, non–transmitting devices themselves–and they are simple and easy to use.

Guess from now on... I will be take my notebook in the form of paper and pen! ;)

SunwayKid
05-02-2006, 11:02 PM
A simpler equipment and available via some websites.

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Price: $159.95

n6688my
05-02-2006, 11:07 PM
leewinnie,

"a friend always drive her mini copper around and recently change to myvi, i ask her why, she told me, a proton saga follow her way back when she go wet market and luckily her son manage to direct her to police station and she pay RM300 for the police to escort her back to her mother place at rumah attap instead of her banglow at Bangsar...... you should know why."

wow, rm300!!? that's a huge sum!

kevin23
05-02-2006, 11:39 PM
Next time if or when u guyz free,u all do experiment lah.When u take ur laptop out,show it in full view of everyone and make sure therez the laptop make logo on the front of the bag.Purposely walk around and make sure many ppl notice it.You could try wifi-ing at starbucks in taipan.After that purposely place it at the passenger seat so that the whole world can see it.And then lock your car and go somewhere not too far away and watch if anyones tries to steal ur laptop,if there is u would catch him redhanded...obtw,if you would want to try this experiment,try gathering a few friends 1st so you could kick the S*** out of the fella!

KelvC
06-02-2006, 12:11 AM
I have my personal laptop stolen about 2 years back from my carboot, would love to ambush and kick their sorry hinds before handing the thieves over to the cops. Not only datas are gone, my hard earned money used to pay the laptop was flushed down the drain too.

What's wrong with these people anyway? Drug addicts or a classical case of have and have-nots? Or could it be former VCD peddlers who was put out of the circulation by the enforcers and turn to this activity to sustain themselves (do note the high tech equipment suggested earlier).

Any professional opinions?

USJ27Resident
06-02-2006, 01:54 AM
Next time if or when u guyz free,u all do experiment lah.When u take ur laptop out,show it in full view of everyone and make sure therez the laptop make logo on the front of the bag.Purposely walk around and make sure many ppl notice it.You could try wifi-ing at starbucks in taipan.!

I AM very much interested,.... PM me... I am in the mood to "yunno what..."

starrnorth88
06-02-2006, 07:39 AM
We are the slaves to the notebook - carry here, carry there, even to toilet.

My solution - buy 2 notebooks - one for house one for office, plus buy one big capacity portable harddisk and carry this from house-office-house, use it also on any friend's notebook

Yes, let your friend carry their notebook and you use it for your work. Smart eh?

racheljansz
06-02-2006, 08:03 AM
I have the same experience of having my laptop stolen from the car in Uptown Damasara, in front of Eurodeli restaurant. I was also told that the thieves use a scanner to indicate where the laptop is. Dont bother putting it in the truck also, thinking they cannot detect it. Worse I was told that the police had an awareness program for that area by distributing leaflet. They should have posted signboards that says 'you are now entering a high crime area'.
Now I dont take the laptop home. If I do, I always carry it down with me. And i will be on a lookout for another type of crime - snatch thieves! :confused:

xaviers
06-02-2006, 08:23 AM
Anyone has an old notebook to spare... place it in the car and set a trap....

Sit and Wait ...catch the culprit and let that fella lead us to the "mother ship".

I am quite fedup with the increased crime rate these days.

KelvC
06-02-2006, 09:57 AM
I AM very much interested,.... PM me... I am in the mood to "yunno what..."
I'm game too!

SunwayKid
06-02-2006, 10:18 AM
And what do we call this group.........the USJ Vigilantes !?

Unless you can rope in someone with a weapon of individual destruction, i.e. a police officer, perhaps we should leave it to the police to do what they are responsible for. If they are already aware of such a gadget, shouldn't they be tasked with catching the culprits...............all of us just need to pressure the relevant parties to ensure they do!

Rocky19
06-02-2006, 11:03 AM
Anyone has an old notebook to spare... place it in the car and set a trap....

Sit and Wait ...catch the culprit and let that fella lead us to the "mother ship".

I am quite fedup with the increased crime rate these days.
if you want to do this, it must be set up well. Agree to park at same location where this robbery took place and get the lookout(s) to be there before you get there. Park and go as usual to do your stuff, as they may have 2 guys on the prowl there. One to trail you, another to take your things from the car.

the best is to have 3 people as part of the team.

orchipalar
06-02-2006, 11:22 AM
Err...maybe should get a plaincloth police personnel involve in this?

leewinnie46
06-02-2006, 11:26 AM
n6688my,

"a friend always drive her mini copper around and recently change to myvi, i ask her why, she told me, a proton saga follow her way back when she go wet market and luckily her son manage to direct her to police station and she pay RM300 for the police to escort her back to her mother place at rumah attap instead of her banglow at Bangsar...... you should know why."

wow, rm300!!? that's a huge sum!

the car with 2 police officer who want to "yam cha" n notice a mini copper which cost RM180,000 ...... but not bad to be escort by legal samseng mah...

orchipalar
06-02-2006, 11:34 AM
Err...Orchi would provide the vehicle...

Anyone wants to offer a working laptop...notebook or pda?

Err...heard Raymond:) got a spare laptop collecting dusk in his store room...can lend it out for this purpose ar?

chin_wan
06-02-2006, 11:45 AM
I don't think such scanning device exist that can scan laptops hidden in cars. However, I do believe that these criminals know how to profile someone with laptops. It is not that difficult actually. If you look like a professional (office worker) then you'd probably have laptops with you. They'd just take the chance and wack your window. If no laptop found then move on to the next victim.

Rocky19
06-02-2006, 12:02 PM
i have a spare laptop,not really working but the CMOS battery is working. No bluetooth. So usj27 let me know if you need it. an IBM that I can give to the robbers for free. ;)

orchipalar
06-02-2006, 12:37 PM
Err...dear Alexius:)...how about we do it this weekend at Taipan...Chap Goh Meh!

You pick the location...Orchi brings the vehicle...n we could set it up next to a joint where we could have TT while we wait for the freaking morons to show up...

Ahem...Orchi could even put a cellphone ontop of the driver seat...to perk it up!

What say you?

CCY
06-02-2006, 01:32 PM
i have a spare laptop,not really working but the CMOS battery is working. No bluetooth. So usj27 let me know if you need it. an IBM that I can give to the robbers for free. ;)

Hehehe...if it ain't working there isn't any frequency for those buggers to scan what...
How about including your bluetooth-ache phone as a more realistic bait...no ?:D

VeeJay
06-02-2006, 01:40 PM
Err...dear Alexius:)...how about we do it this weekend at Taipan...Chap Goh Meh!

You pick the location...Orchi brings the vehicle...n we could set it up next to a joint where we could have TT while we wait for the freaking morons to show up...

Ahem...Orchi could even put a cellphone ontop of the driver seat...to perk it up!

What say you?


You might want to wind down your window to avoid smashing!
:eek: or better still leave the door open?! Just a suggestion, we dont want to see the vehicle being damaged in this experiment...

pcyeoh
06-02-2006, 01:48 PM
Yeah, and I will throw in my Lolex watch and my wife's diamond ling onto the seat to make it even more irresistable. By the way who is supposed to clobber the arsehole when he breaks into the Pajero? Up to what point we whack him in order not be charged for Murder 1. I suggest we stop at the point even his mother cannot recognise him. In Hokkien, we say "mak beh jin kia." (mother cannot recognise child)

KelvC
06-02-2006, 02:18 PM
Got a spare phone to throw in too!

Who get's the first priority to taroh kaw kaw? First priority should be given to break-in victims lah. :D


You might want to wind down your window to avoid smashing!
:eek: or better still leave the door open?! Just a suggestion, we dont want to see the vehicle being damaged in this experiment...
Errr.....anyone with spare windows?

xaviers
06-02-2006, 02:21 PM
BTW... catching that fella will address the issue on whether such scanning device exist.

Rocky19
06-02-2006, 03:22 PM
Hehehe...if it ain't working there isn't any frequency for those buggers to scan what...
How about including your bluetooth-ache phone as a more realistic bait...no ?:D
ah yiah, we just leave it in the comp bag for him to see lor.No need to scan mah. he won't know it is kaput.My bag looks good one from far. Blue tooth phone cannotlah, if lost I have heart ache. But have a phone to spare too. So must do it same place as usj27 incident. Someone park that area, wait for Pajero to come, give up space, while the rest of us observe from various locations since we have so many volunteers.We must be there before pajero arrive. First to whack is usj27lah!!! ;)

so usj27 you chief organiser for this,ok?

spare window, we chip in lah since usj27 knows where to get cheap windows or leave the car unlock.

pcyeoh
06-02-2006, 03:53 PM
Who get's the first priority to taroh kaw kaw? First priority should be given to break-in victims lah.
Sorry to say that it will be done via the lucky draw though we would like to bestow the grand honour to USJ27Resident. But we are afraid that USJ27Resident will get so carried away as to cause so much damages that even that guy's mak beh jin kia so somebody must stop him from doing that so as to give chance to others to remodel that guy's face. It is not everyday that we catch a thief. I am more keen to know whether our thieves here in SJ/USJ is as hitech as the eCommunity here at large. I want to know where he gets hold of the scanning device, if there is such a thing, my foot. Er er er ........ .better dont use 'my foot' or else will kena 'foot in the mouth disease' as some people who still do not understand this idiom will say that I am rude.

fcloh
06-02-2006, 04:17 PM
:eek:

my frens told me his colleage's car between 5 to 6 cars infront of office car park.. all the laptop got stolen by broke the door glass, suspect the thieves using the detector to detect the laptop...still finding what was the damnnn detector...

Teeque
06-02-2006, 05:05 PM
Yo guys,

Count me in on this 'Citizens Counter Crime' unit also. When we do the planning?

fcloh
06-02-2006, 05:10 PM
i've thinking making a snatch on this.....

means doing a fake one into the car...and stay behind and watch it carefull.....and catch the RATS........ any idea anyone??

CCY
06-02-2006, 05:29 PM
ah yiah, ...... First to whack is usj27lah!!! ;)




Lol...lol... Have to protect usj27 with a flak jacket + steel helmet + something between his struts as the chances of the thief using a 18 inch long plumber's wrench to do the job on the side mirror is high. Instead of being screwed, he may unscrew all the nuts that tried to aprehend him....better be safe than sorry ya. :p

kevin23
07-02-2006, 06:37 PM
yeah..i m in..i willing to lend my hands to wack the idiots kaukau! muz set up very well,make sure those idiots dont get away and make sure nobody getz injured.But u guyz have to "promote" ur laptop in taipan 1st...must walk arnd and get ppls attention...neway,cant wait to nab those fellas!

Jose Mourinho
07-02-2006, 06:41 PM
Jose Mourinho,

with these kind of world - rape, murder, robbed and abuse etc going on everyday in the world, we expect police or security guard to be there ? r we out of our mind or we are born yesterday, no fairy tale nor perfect world, learn to protect ourself is the most important thing to do nowsaday....

because ppl enjoy showing their standard, we are in the risk of life for this kind of show, today they want your laptop, or car, tomorrow they want your jewelry on hand and neck, later they want everything and to leave no evidence for the police, they kill....

my daughter bring a tupperware brand to her kindergarten and got stolen, if she bring a mineral water bottle, is still around until today..... i learn and realise why should i risk my family whereby thing can be pretty simple so nobody know we have RM$$$$$ in our pocket and robbed us after in our car.

a friend always drive her mini copper around and recently change to myvi, i ask her why, she told me, a proton saga follow her way back when she go wet market and luckily her son manage to direct her to police station and she pay RM300 for the police to escort her back to her mother place at rumah attap instead of her banglow at Bangsar...... you should know why.

Do we have to resort to wearing a torn singlet, blue shorts and slippers in order to exist in this world?

:)

leewinnie46
07-02-2006, 07:13 PM
Jose Mourinho,

what i mean is that we are just trying to reduce the attention that ppl throw on us.... that simple

no guarantee that i would face less risk, but it could help to reduce only mah....

of course you can wear whatever you like in order to exist in this world - that the way of life you want it to be mah .....

n6688my
07-02-2006, 07:34 PM
n6688my,

"a friend always drive her mini copper around and recently change to myvi, i ask her why, she told me, a proton saga follow her way back when she go wet market and luckily her son manage to direct her to police station and she pay RM300 for the police to escort her back to her mother place at rumah attap instead of her banglow at Bangsar...... you should know why."

wow, rm300!!? that's a huge sum!

the car with 2 police officer who want to "yam cha" n notice a mini copper which cost RM180,000 ...... but not bad to be escort by legal samseng mah...


legal samseng?!! Malaysia Boleh!!!

USJ27Resident
09-02-2006, 12:27 AM
yeah..i m in..i willing to lend my hands to wack the idiots kaukau! muz set up very well,make sure those idiots dont get away and make sure nobody getz injured.But u guyz have to "promote" ur laptop in taipan 1st...must walk arnd and get ppls attention...neway,cant wait to nab those fellas!

Guys... I am very interested in putting this into action. No point No Action Talk Only (NATO) cos very soon another one of us gonna kena heartsick see our hard earned laptops and windows being replaced because of these jerks... :mad:

Can we meet up for a quickie coffee (no Tee-Tee's for me :p ) session @ my house or mebbe at Starbucks... next Saturday/Sunday to plan this ops. I heard from the manager there in Taipan ~ that their customers oso frequently kena targetted after coffee n surf sessions... Please PM me your responses ~ y'all have 10 days to decide - to join in the "fun". I am so in the mood to.... get some back!

tan_r
09-02-2006, 12:32 AM
... @ my house or mebbe at Starbucks... next Saturday/Sunday to plan this ops.
Yo ... if you are serving Starbucks at your house, I wanna be there!

orchipalar
09-02-2006, 12:35 AM
Err...consider it done...as far as Orchi is concerned.

Err...but why wait so many days...when we could already swing into action by this Saturday...

Ahem...ya know what they say...shape the iron when it's hot...

How about we have one coffee session earlier than that...n we could recce for the most strategic spot to set the bait...n cast the line out...err...then we wait for low life fish to show up...n take the bite...

USJ27Resident
09-02-2006, 01:00 AM
Err...consider it done...as far as Orchi is concerned.

Err...but why wait so many days...when we could already swing into action by this Saturday...

Ahem...ya know what they say...shape the iron when it's hot....

Orchi... have 2 plan carefully,... I am gonna call the window shop for est. cost of the Iswara (friend lending his car for bait! as my car baru kena...) side mirror replacement. This week (Sat/Sun) cannot - working la... therefore it has to be next weekend...

shali
09-02-2006, 01:00 AM
yeah..i m in..i willing to lend my hands to wack the idiots kaukau! muz set up very well,make sure those idiots dont get away and make sure nobody getz injured.But u guyz have to "promote" ur laptop in taipan 1st...must walk arnd and get ppls attention...neway,cant wait to nab those fellas!

I have a bad feeling about this. A classic example of a community sting operations bordering on vigilantes and how the law can be merciless if things go awry.

Like Orchi once said, if all else fail, he knows who to consult.

jand
09-02-2006, 01:06 AM
somebody forgot the fishing line and rod ;)

aurora97
09-02-2006, 01:09 AM
Recently in my College, my senior lecturer had left his notebook in his office inside college premises. Some technicians pretending to fix air conditioning walked in coolly into the lecturers office and stole his laptop in broad daylight! :mad: All our lecture notes, Q & A, revision notes had to be retyped by the lecturer, all the updated stuff were all in the stolen laptop. Talk about daring people.

orchipalar
09-02-2006, 01:19 AM
I have a bad feeling about this. A classic example of a community sting operations bordering on vigilantes and how the law can be merciless if things go awry.Err...dear Shali:)...one possibility...it's called citizen arrest...ahem...we caught him in the act...he tries to be offensive...pulls a knife...n a shuffle ensued...in self defence...the perpetrator is hurt...ahem...his words against ours...so err...who do ya think the judge would believe...

shali
09-02-2006, 01:24 AM
A court of justice will believe this:


Guys... I am very interested in putting this into action. ~ y'all have 10 days to decide - to join in the "fun". I am so in the mood to.... get some back!


:p :p :p

orchipalar
09-02-2006, 01:29 AM
Err...neh...inadmissible. :)

USJ27Resident
09-02-2006, 05:38 PM
I have a bad feeling about this. A classic example of a community sting operations bordering on vigilantes and how the law can be merciless if things go awry.

Like Orchi once said, if all else fail, he knows who to consult.

And would you care to suggest something as to how do we get to stop this from happening... (over and over again.!)

As in any case, nobody gets nabbed if the witnesses and bystanders just sit back and enjoy the view.... even when the police nabs their suspects, it is either thru tip offs or thru the suspect being caught red handed by the victims themselves. So far I have yet to hear of a thief or robber walking into a police-station and admitting to something he's done, without being caught in the first place...

shali
09-02-2006, 06:51 PM
So far I have yet to hear of a thief or robber walking into a police-station and admitting to something he's done, without being caught in the first place...


An extreme example will lead to a strong intended argument. So can i :eek:

To my recollection, the police has been consistent in forbidding any form of vigilante type action. Legally, the difference lies in a premeditated, well planned, waiting in an 'ambush mode' and 'ready to pounce'.

Those are powerful words of law.

You do the maths. :)

USJ27Resident
11-02-2006, 12:13 AM
And would you care to suggest something as to how do we get to stop this from happening... (over and over again.!)

Shali... don't mean to get into an argument here but what I meant was if you have a better suggestion.... I am all ears... :)

I am just sick & tired of sitting back :mad: and waiting for something bad to happen, then wished it didn't... :(

These buggers have no qualms or guilt in doing what they do... given a chance, they even pick on the poor and defenseless. Only when they realise that we are not gonna sit down and get whacked all the time but to fight back - only then they will probably leave us alone to live in peace and security.

Example: the neighborhood security where I live - we stopped the security services for 1 freaking month (Sept!)and guess what... we had 2 cars (windows) smashed, theft of shoes, attempted burglary, trespassing etc etc. Only when we reinstated the security guards - the incidences fell to zero! Not one incident for Hari Raya, Christmas, New Year and Chinese New Year! And all these holidays were long weekend ones too.... what I mean is - show these fellas that we are a capable bunch - they would probably leave and not take us as easy targets again... :)

jtl
11-02-2006, 12:51 AM
I sometimes wonder whether these security guards actually pull the burglaries themselves - so that they can get more business...

On another note, I also wonder whether laptop thieves read usj.com... :D

USJ27Resident
11-02-2006, 12:58 AM
I sometimes wonder whether these security guards actually pull the burglaries themselves - so that they can get more business...

On another note, I also wonder whether laptop thieves read usj.com... :D

:p probably, if they were "locals" but most of these guards are foreigners (pakistani/nepali/indian) that are here to earn an honest living... I doubt if they would go as far as to do something to jeopardise their rice bowl... :)

patwon
11-02-2006, 02:35 PM
just two day ago,a fello use bluetooth on his phone,you guess what?my phone on the table suddenly activated and background light on.any one can explain this?

USJ27Resident
11-02-2006, 06:55 PM
just two day ago,a fello use bluetooth on his phone,you guess what?my phone on the table suddenly activated and background light on.any one can explain this?

Nokia?
Check your menu->connection->bluetooth.... probably was left in "on" or "active" mode..... that explains why your phone "acquired" ur friend's bluetooth signal... :p

CS Chua
11-02-2006, 10:50 PM
BTW, a Dell Axim 51v PDA can do all the essential stuff that a notebook usually does. And you can put it into your pocket and walk around with it without worrying about your car window being smashed.

jtl
12-02-2006, 12:53 AM
BTW, a Dell Axim 51v PDA can do all the essential stuff that a notebook usually does. And you can put it into your pocket and walk around with it without worrying about your car window being smashed.

Can play DVD ah?

CS Chua
12-02-2006, 09:27 AM
Yes. Convert it to a .avi file. The 51v has a VGA screen and is good for watching movies too. It can even do ppt presentation via a LCD projector. Neat, isn't it? My R40 will be obsolete soon. ;)

blurrman
12-02-2006, 09:24 PM
i was a victim too.

2 points i noted,

1) no matter u hide from home or where (no body see where you hide), they will break the nearest location to get the notebook.

example, if you place below front chair, even nobody can see from outside, they will break the front window.

if u put in boot, they will straight away open the boot.

2) when you made polis report, they will ask you to hand them the purchase receipt. (any guess why they need this??)

point no 1, show very strong evidence that they might be able to pinpoint the location.

point no 2, u guess??

de_scorpio
13-02-2006, 09:23 PM
Hi,
Yesterday I was almost robbed by two Indian with knife pointed at me, when I got of fr my car, an indian guy run towards me with knife and asked for my wallet and hp, but I back off and he couldnt grab me. Then he ran towards a lady near by and grabbed her bag with knife, i asked the girl not to defend and passed the bag to him , afraid tht he might hurt her. I couldnt help as he was pointing the knife at the lady. There is a guard house nearby too, but the two men ran off with a motor bike.
The police said there are many cases in Subang and USJ area, and a Chinese Mas stewartness has just being kidnapped by a group of people.

USJ is not safe anymore, car thieves and robbery happens frequently.

The MB and Wakil rakyat go to to something.
i am six footer and yet they dare to rob me, imagine the single ladies walking home from the bus station are more insecure.

shali
14-02-2006, 09:26 AM
USJ is not safe anymore, car thieves and robbery happens frequently.

i am six footer and yet they dare to rob me, imagine the single ladies walking home from the bus station are more insecure.


I'm beginning to have second thoughts about my earlier opinion, as this is getting too much. Hello Orchi, when? :D . If caught, they either deserve formal justice or rough justice :p :p

When an assailant is armed, the superior weight and height ratio of a victim is not a factor anymore. Animals cannot arm themselves when they fight. So size matters to animals. Humans have everything at their disposal.

A six footer like you confronting a form 5 student with a 3 inch folder knife will bring different scenarios. If that student is trained, the outlook is worse. That said, in almost all situations reported anywhere, the victims were unarmed and taken by a total and complete suprise. Work on that.

tan_r
14-02-2006, 12:08 PM
... and a Chinese Mas stewartness has just being kidnapped by a group of people.
Could this be this byline in the NST - Woman stages own ‘kidnap’ (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/National/20060214083938/Article/index_html).

orchipalar
14-02-2006, 08:33 PM
I'm beginning to have second thoughts about my earlier opinion, as this is getting too much. Hello Orchi, when? . If caught, they either deserve formal justice or rough justice.

Err...the filming budget is approved...the production crew are still on the recce to find the best n suitable location for shooting...the casting crew has found a few volunteers...the drafted script is being memorised...but the director hasn't decided to call the shots yet...as he is away on another assignment... :p

orchipalar
17-02-2006, 05:20 PM
Err...Orchi is having TT at the Coffee Beans in Taipan...tomorrow night...Saturday 18th February 2006...from 7:00pm onwards...

Anyone game enough to join Orchi... ;)

shali
17-02-2006, 05:34 PM
Err...Orchi is having TT at the Coffee Beans in Taipan...tomorrow night...Saturday 18th February 2006...from 7:00pm onwards...Anyone game enough to join Orchi... ;)


A good counter-intelligence op from the bad guys will easily spot you and the gang, and will pop you even before u manage to shout "action!". At the last moment, change your venue. And yes, dont forget the private message.

leewinnie46
17-02-2006, 05:37 PM
if those robber, theives known we are gathering to fight them..... guess they might not come to us so easily...

went pandamaran for fire cracker watch during chinese new year... guess what, no police come over eventhought they have 50 feets long fire cracker.... (my friend say the gangster they strong enough to scare the police and robber away...) a village where no grill, some with no door and nobody will robbed your house too....

recently due to so much of break in, rukun tetangga set up a group to collect RM35 for each house.... when i suggest why don't just get everyone to light up their front and backyard to brighten the view at night , guess what.... everyone laught at a home maker like me and think that I am "siao" - gila. if everyone can tolong - menolong.... this would make a new sub-division that every neighbourhood is helping each other to care of belonging.... and robber , theives won't be so daring to come after us...

still remember during my young time, 3 robber break in to neighbour house got whack until their mother can't recognize them and nowsaday, this won't happen and you won't see it so easily

Willcy
23-02-2006, 10:38 AM
Another notebook stolen incident. Lost my 6-month old Toshiba M40 notebook on Monday (20/2/06) in Damansara Uptown, not far from a porridge restaurant Kuan Kee. It happened around 8.45 pm. It's the same old story, notebook was placed underneath the rear seat and car window was smashed. To add insult to injury, my friend who was travelling with me had his Dell notebook stolen as well. I must say it was very absurd of me for not being alert and realizing the bugger lurking in the dark, the son-of-b**ch got away with 2 notebooks, one stone two birds. Anyone knows of any method to trace it. I was thinking of installing a T3 security key product, but the plan never materialised, it never will. My presentation materials are all inside, and the sad part is I have to present it this Friday (23/2/06). Kindly highlight all the potential refurbished shops around, I am going to hunt for it one by one.

Jose Mourinho
23-02-2006, 10:47 AM
Another notebook stolen incident. Lost my 6-month old Toshiba M40 notebook on Monday (20/2/06) in Damansara Uptown, not far from a porridge restaurant Kuan Kee. It happened around 8.45 pm. It's the same old story, notebook was placed underneath the rear seat and car window was smashed. To add insult to injury, my friend who was travelling with me had his Dell notebook stolen as well. I must say it was very absurd of me for not being alert and realizing the bugger lurking in the dark, the son-of-b**ch got away with 2 notebooks, one stone two birds. Anyone knows of any method to trace it. I was thinking of installing a T3 security key product, but the plan never materialised, it never will. My presentation materials are all inside, and the sad part is I have to present it this Friday (23/2/06). Kindly highlight all the potential refurbished shops around, I am going to hunt for it one by one.

Forgive me for re-posting this. This is the 'best' prevention: -

I use a notebook all the time. I never let it out of my sight. In the office and when I have to go to a meeting in a different room on the same floor or out for a quick lunch, my door is always locked even when my secretary is sitting right outside my office. When I have to go for dinners and appointments in the evenings, I carry the notebook with me - into pubs and restaurants. When I have to go to the washroom in the pubs and restaurants, I carry the notebook with me. When I go for breakfast in the coffee shop in the morning before I go to work, and even when my car is parked right in front of the coffee shop and in my full view, I carry the notebook with me. At home and when I am not in the house, I lock the notebook in the safe. But I am sure if they want to take the notebook away from me, they still can. They can still hack my arm off and carry off my arm together with the notebook.

In other words..... prevention can be done only to certain extent. If they have the will to steal/rob, they will still succeed. Welcome to the world of sick humanity.

JoeJaffar
23-02-2006, 10:56 AM
a colleague had his laptop stolen from the car boot right in the office's parking area. in daytime, in an open air car park, with Polis Bantuan all over the place. yishh..

maybe i should bring along the laptop cable lock and lock it to the car steering wheel or something.

Jose Mourinho
23-02-2006, 10:57 AM
No. They will take away the laptop together with the steering wheel!

:)

orchipalar
23-02-2006, 08:53 PM
Err...No...it's proven that it would be easier for the thieves to just drive off the car altogether...

USJ27Resident
24-02-2006, 12:40 AM
Another notebook stolen incident. Lost my 6-month old Toshiba M40 notebook on Monday (20/2/06) ..........

Sorry to say this but... welcome to the club !

The only way we are gonna get these fellas is if we stick together and do a proper stake out... I've noticed that this incidences occur A LOT near makan places... or near coffee joints/hotspots with free wifi... friend oso kena in Taman Megah (did some work... went back to the car to put it in the trunk and walla... GONE! - 8 mins later!!)

Well, I have Orchi with me - and I am planning something soon... PM me and I will let you all in on it... oso got police assistance coming.

The thief/thieves could also be from outta town... like the jerk that used to hit hotels ( a few months ago! ) :mad: