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USJ27Resident
24-01-2006, 12:12 AM
I know this sounds a bit morbid but wifey and I had a discussion/conversation about death and burial rites !

The basis of the discussion is because we are of different faith. My wife is Buddhist whereas I'm a Catholic. She brought up the subject about what is the possibility non christians being buried in a christian cemetary, like is it possible for her to be buried beside my grave :confused: ... I for one, was speechless, cos I don't really know about this thing... :eek: Then she says that well, she wants to be cremated and kept in a temple whereas I would have to be buried alone...

For a split second :p I thought I found out the meaning of R.I.P. (rest in peace!). Well - the conversation was a light hearted one but I kinda had a good chuckle :D (but did not tell my wife this err, after-thought.... ) cos imagine if a husband has to bear with the wife nagging and nagging - and then when die - oso then have a wife buried beside him, to nag him for all eternity .... sheeeeesh!

Your say...

bugbear
24-01-2006, 12:47 AM
Frankly, to me once you are dead it is immaterial where you are buried. What is most important is where will you be heading once you are dead. Heaven or Hell? The choice is yours. Make the right one while you are still alive for once dead that choice is no longer in your hand.

kpc
24-01-2006, 08:27 AM
In Heaven we are allowed to smoke or not?

Choon1980
24-01-2006, 08:39 AM
Well, where do you think the clouds come from???

cherry
24-01-2006, 08:48 AM
In my hometown, we do not have such thing as Chinese cemetary or Christian cemetary but only Muslim cemetary. My grandparents and relatives graves are next to each other thou they were in different faith. But I do agree with bugbear that the most important thing is life after death...

ksj_cool
24-01-2006, 08:56 AM
Accordin to Hinduism, yr soul will leave yr body once you are dead!

kokomo
24-01-2006, 09:42 AM
Once dead, any soul would leave the body .. regardless of religion .. and body will turn into ashes if we were to be cremated

GreyShadow
24-01-2006, 09:54 AM
me and my wifey agreed that if any "winter melon taufu" happen to us... (touch wood)
we would like our body to be cremated... then scatter mine into ocean, wifey haven't decide where to scatters hers... :p

what the point of buying a damm expensive tiny piece of land just to store your useless decomposing body? :p

Jose Mourinho
24-01-2006, 10:59 AM
35 years of my life as a Catholic still have not convinced me that there is heaven or hell. I was at the bed sides of many deaths (family members, relatives and friends) and the difference between life and death is just a heart beat away. I still think that when we die, it is just total darkness which marks the end of us and everything else.

kokomo
24-01-2006, 11:33 AM
If only we can survive till Judgement Day .. then all our doubts and confusion would hv an answer .. right now, jz live life without regrets!!! :cool:

FineTuned
24-01-2006, 11:36 AM
Death is a one way street. Where it leads to (i.e. heaven, hell, or dead end) no one knows for sure. One may believe very strongly or even be personally convinced where it leads to, but noone has proven anything conclusively.
It is scary when some people believe that they can determine where your soul will go to by the mere act of disposing of your carcass in a certain way and place. That means your fate is dependent on chance, or what other people do or do not do to your dead body? The way you live your life has nothing to do with it?

Personally, I would prefer to be cremated. I have this phobia about waking up in a coffin six feet under ground..........

orchipalar
24-01-2006, 11:38 AM
Err...the worst can be said...being burnt alive. :eek:

patrick
24-01-2006, 12:04 PM
I always tell my wife that we must look at death as going on another holiday trip. Except this is free flight, free tours and everything prepaid free! Look at it that whoever goes first, is supposed to do a recce and actually is the lucky one because he gets to enjoy a longer holiday! Sorry lah that the other one has to face all the wordly woes a llittle longer....crimes, health, blah..blah...blah...

But we always tell ourselves that we must try to make as many less fortunate people a little happier as possible whilst we are still on this earth. It is a kind of period of trial and tribulation or purgatory. So...do good whilst we all can! This is the one chance we all have equally!!

Choon1980
24-01-2006, 12:11 PM
I used to believe that we all will get what's coming to us in the afterlife (yes, I believe in the afterlife) depending on how we lived our lives.

Now, I kinda gave up "romantic" notions of good people getting in Heaven or evil people being cast into the fiery lakes of Hell for all eternity. If corrupt people can come out on top in the real world, who is there to say that the same thing can't be applied to the afterlife?

dragonfly
24-01-2006, 12:31 PM
we would like our body to be cremated... then scatter mine into ocean, wifey haven't decide where to scatters hers... :p

.........all is fine........provided you are not preyed upon by 'body snatchers'!

pcyeoh
24-01-2006, 01:04 PM
In Heaven we are allowed to smoke or not?
But you can be rest assured that in Hell, you can smoke till the cows come home. By the way, if you go to hell, don't bother to bring your cigarette lighter along. Just put the cigi in between your two fingers and it will automatically light up. You know lah the heat down there can combust anything.

GreyShadow
24-01-2006, 01:08 PM
we would like our body to be cremated... then scatter mine into ocean, wifey haven't decide where to scatters hers... :p

.........all is fine........provided you are not preyed upon by 'body snatchers'!
'body snatchers' ? :confused: :confused:
fishes ar?? if they want to eat.. go ahead and eat lor.. I won't feel a thing mar.. it's just ashes :D

pcyeoh
24-01-2006, 01:12 PM
35 years of my life as a Catholic still have not convinced me that there is heaven or hell.
That explains why God when He has only one place in heaven accepted the New York taxi driver instead of the Catholic priest. When the priest said he dedicated 35 years of his life serving God and thus deserved a place in heaven, God replied, "that New York taxi driver scares the hell of more people than he in his 35 years as a priest."

Jose Mourinho
24-01-2006, 01:21 PM
The other thing is that if there really is a heaven or hell, then heaven is going to be a pretty lonely place for me because many of the friends and people I like are sure going to be in hell.

:D

kpc
24-01-2006, 01:50 PM
In hell can go karaoke with frens or not?

pcyeoh
24-01-2006, 01:59 PM
In hell can go karaoke with frens or not?
KPC, since you ask one question after another, why not I tell you what is available in hell. Read this

There was this guy who was so depressed that he actually end up in hell when
he thought he should be in heaven. Anyway the devil was trying to encourage
and cheer him up.

"Do you smoke?" the devil asked.

"Indeed I do"

"Great. You gonna love Mondays cos here we offer you all kind of cigarretes by
the hundreds and even ganja and you won't die of cancer. Anyway you are already dead.....
sorry for being insentive"

"By the way, do you take drugs?"

"Hey, how do you know? I take Ecstasy pills"

"That you call drugs??? Wait till Tuesday, you gonna be so high you can almost
touch heaven.... did I say heaven.? Sorry to remind you of that place. Anyway,
you can take all the drugs you want - coke, heroin, morphine till the holy cow
comes home....sorry for the pun..."

Then the impatient guy asked., "What about gambling?"

"Yep buddy, I am coming to it. Every Wednesday, this whole place is going to be
10 times bigger than Genting. You can gamble until eternity and won't have your
wife bothering you"

By this time the guy was very excited and asked "What is life... I mean death
without drinks?"

"Man, you sure beginning to feel at home eh?? And you just asked the right
question at the right time. Name what you want and we have it served to you by
the most beautiful women here.... Tequilla, brandy, whisky by the bottles or
jugs on every Thursday."

"Now my time to ask you again. Are you a gay?"

"No I am not. Why do you ask?"

"Aiyah man..... I feel for you. You gonna hate Fridays!"

leewinnie46
24-01-2006, 02:13 PM
me and my wifey agreed that if any "winter melon taufu" happen to us... (touch wood)
we would like our body to be cremated... then scatter mine into ocean, wifey haven't decide where to scatters hers... :p

what the point of buying a damm expensive tiny piece of land just to store your useless decomposing body? :p
greyshadow,

i also have the same opinion I would like my body to be cremated... then scatter mine into ocean and my husband disagree.

for me, it's simple as long as my kids will treat me like their parent, remember me once a way and don't even have to go cementary every year (ching beng). because what the use not treating me well but after I have left....

occupy a piece of small land with the live human being on earth and yet making the place haunted and dirty.

my friend 's husband for once mention he don't want the wife to "bark" at her after they both gone..... but when accident happen to her and he is still on earth, he is kinda miss her more but nobody would be they and even he's quite happy with "peace of ears" once before he lost her.

another male friend told his wife that eventhough she nag him but he don't want her buried next to other man

layman
24-01-2006, 02:17 PM
In my hometown, we do not have such thing as Chinese cemetary or Christian cemetary but only Muslim cemetary. My grandparents and relatives graves are next to each other thou they were in different faith. But I do agree with bugbear that the most important thing is life after death...

is there life after death? heaven or hell

has any death return from the grave to tell you his whereabouts?

contemplate a life after death?

i thought death means the end of one's life.

orchipalar
24-01-2006, 02:22 PM
Err..."...earth to earth...ashes to ashes...dusts to dusts..." or the normally practiced Christian burial rites...would NOT be found in the Bible...but rather in book of prayers...can anyone explain this?

Ahem...why contribute to air pollution...by cremation...why not just donate whatever is suitable from the body...n lay the rest in 6 feet under ground...?

Err...perhaps then friends or relatives who want to visit or pay their respect would turn up before the graves...instead of not knowing where could be the final resting places...years down the road...of their beloved n dearly departed ones...

Jose Mourinho
24-01-2006, 02:43 PM
Jokes aside. This is a serious post. My wife and I have agreed on cremation and our ashes will be kept in urns in a 'pigeon hole' next to my parents. If my children want to visit us, they can visit their parents and grandparents in one shot. If they don't want to visit us, it is okay also as the urns are sealed behind a marble slab and they do not require any maintenance. A double slot in an air-conditioned (for the comfort of the living who come to visit and not the dead) bungalow in a memorial park costs RM17k with a 'for life maintenance'. Little facts of life. But meanwhile, both my wife and I intend to live our lives to the fullest and be happy.

GreyShadow
24-01-2006, 02:53 PM
Err..."...earth to earth...ashes to ashes...dusts to dusts..." or the normally practiced Christian burial rites...would NOT be found in the Bible...but rather in book of prayers...can anyone explain this?

Ahem...why contribute to air pollution...by cremation...why not just donate whatever is suitable from the body...n lay the rest in 6 feet under ground...?

Err...perhaps then friends or relatives who want to visit or pay their respect would turn up before the graves...instead of not knowing where could be the final resting places...years down the road...of their beloved n dearly departed ones...
Ermmm... modern cremation won't contribute to air pollution lar... now it's so called smokeless cremation... clean & environmental friendly... of cos with usable organs donated first lar... :p
Unless you prefer a more traditional one like the indian one... burned with banana trunk that will give ya lot's of smoke ;)

I don't need a final resting place for others to remember me, or to pay respect, or to curse me :p for years down the road... as long as I had a place in their memory is good enough ;) I prefer to go with the winds... ;)

It is this poem change my perception about buried 6 feet under ;)

I Did Not Die
Do not stand at my grave and forever weep.
I am not there; I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumnís rain.
When you awaken in the morningís hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and forever cry.
I am not there. I did not die.

Melinda Sue Pacho

balitan
24-01-2006, 03:41 PM
there is a book title : HEAVEN IS SO REAL

do read it

can be bought from any christian book shop

dragonfly
24-01-2006, 04:25 PM
'body snatchers' ? :confused: :confused:
fishes ar?? if they want to eat.. go ahead and eat lor.. I won't feel a thing mar.. it's just ashes :D

...he...he...he.....body 'hijacked' or should it be 'bodyjacked' even before reach grave...... :D :D

FineTuned
24-01-2006, 05:08 PM
For those of you who think cremation introduces pollutants to the environment, you may one day be able to opt for this method: Freeze Drying.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4293992.stm

I wonder when it'll be available here. I think I'll be the first in line to sign up for it.

gtl
24-01-2006, 05:34 PM
makes the best of our lives when we are alive, when we die, at least we can reincarnate into a better being to serve the world............

cherry
24-01-2006, 05:52 PM
is there life after death? heaven or hell

has any death return from the grave to tell you his whereabouts?

contemplate a life after death?

i thought death means the end of one's life.

What I mean life after death was mentioned by bugbear whether you go to heaven or hell. As a Catholic, I do believe in the bible teachings and I keep it close to my heart.

layman
24-01-2006, 06:15 PM
What I mean life after death was mentioned by bugbear whether you go to heaven or hell. As a Catholic, I do believe in the bible teachings and I keep it close to my heart.

i respect ur religious affiliation and beliefs

however,to date no documented proof that we either go to heaven or hell.

no deaths has ever risen from their graves to tell us their current place of abode :)

FineTuned
24-01-2006, 06:50 PM
For a lot of ppl, their faith overides the need for proof. Believe it or not.

EricK
24-01-2006, 10:35 PM
thats why its called 'FAITH' :rolleyes: not 'FACT'. and just because there is no proof it exists doesn't mean it doesn't :) There is nothing to prove or disprove the existence. so there ...

orchipalar
24-01-2006, 11:17 PM
however,to date no documented proof that we either go to heaven or hell.

no deaths has ever risen from their graves to tell us their current place of abode :)Err...dear Layman:)...there is NO documentary proof to say that there is NO hell or heaven...either. :)

But religions preach the beliefs...of heaven n hell... :)

FineTuned
25-01-2006, 09:35 AM
There is a world of difference in `I believe, although there is no proof' and `I believe, so I don't need proof'. One is Faith, the other is Blind Faith.

Nic_of_Time
25-01-2006, 09:54 AM
When I die, my total self and human consciousness is extinguished.
That's it. Our consciousness is an emergent property of human evolution.
When it is not sustained, it just disappear.

It is not easy to accept this logically, rationall or plainly.

Any thought of mortality always carry a very heavy emotional
burden (in degrees) on anyone that will makes one very very uneasy and bothered. However, this is 'painful' thought is very necessary to ensure that the human specie continues to be undertaken by the majority. i.e. if we are not made to worry about death, many may just be 'cincai' and throw away their life as soon as they are aware of it, and our specie may end up like the dodo. This primal fear of mortality normally varies with age and circumstances.

To soothe such mental 'pain' and uneasiness, humans have devised various concepts to convince and console themselves that life continues after death.
I agree that this is a good approach but can be a double-sided blade when it is politicised or used by zealots to exploit this vulnerability of the guilible masses.

IMO, this topic is a bit too serious for such a community forum as it may not be able to provide sufficient justifications for the issue on hand. More appropriate for a purely religious or philosophy board.

To one, his/her own. One should believe in whatever one is comfortable with, as long as it does no harm to your neighbour.

mallanhead
25-01-2006, 10:00 AM
Both of my in-law are cremated. Both of the ashes are still not scattered or put in special place. Both of the ashes are still in my sister in law house. But in separate room. Why, because both or them were divorce when they were alive.

JackRyan1975
25-01-2006, 10:02 AM
There is a world of difference in `I believe, although there is no proof' and `I believe, so I don't need proof'. One is Faith, the other is Blind Faith.

Having said that, one should never discount Personal Experience in their encounter with their Maker. It makes a big difference whether they remain steadfast in their faith or drop off along the way.

orchipalar
25-01-2006, 10:10 AM
Err...sorry to digress a wee bit...but Orchi feels we should talk about how we feel on the subject of donating our suitable vital organs when we die...instead of letting them decay in our graves or burnt to ashes...

The donation may make the suitable candidates...live on with their lives.

CCY
25-01-2006, 10:24 AM
Still feel that it is more meaningful to know what happen to you when you are alive than when you are dead. Why worry about something that nobody have any concrete proof as yet . As someone mentioned ' has anyone came back from their death and said something themself....' .
Just let whoever that does not like the sight of seeing worms wriggling n bacteria melting down the flesh put it away out of sight. There is more to look forward to when I'm alive than when I'm dead.......can leave my body at the roadside or throw it to the fishes .....:eek:

Jose Mourinho
25-01-2006, 10:29 AM
CC. I share your views. The same applies to our loved ones, especially our elders, such as our grandparents and parents. What is the point of public weeping and beating of chests and erect monuments in their memories? They are dead and cannot hear us and we are doing it for the public and for our own (guilty?) conscience. Treat them well and have time for them when they are still alive. That is what life and death is all about.

JackRyan1975
25-01-2006, 10:33 AM
What is the point of public weeping and beating of chests and erect monuments in their memories? They are dead and cannot hear us and we are doing it for the public and for our own (guilty?) conscience. Treat them well and have time for them when they are still alive. That is what life and death is all about.

Fully concur. In such cases, even the dead are not spared from the hypocrisy of those still living. :D

Jose Mourinho
25-01-2006, 10:33 AM
When I die, I want to be cremated and my ashes put in an urn beside my parents. There is no need for eulogies. I want a simple inscription on a faked (real marble is expensive) piece:

Here Lies A Nobody
He lived a Nobody's Life
And has Nobody

siewjang
25-01-2006, 11:23 AM
Err... it's like writing a living will. Does your family members aware of your wishes? What happen if you die suddenly ah? for example, yam char in kopitiam, suddenly a car crash in and you was hit. How ah?

Jose Mourinho
25-01-2006, 11:31 AM
Siewjang. My family members are fully aware of my wishes.

orchipalar
25-01-2006, 12:44 PM
Err...should Orchi lists out a will in this webforum...would it be recognized...? :D

bugbear
25-01-2006, 08:36 PM
i respect ur religious affiliation and beliefs

however,to date no documented proof that we either go to heaven or hell.

no deaths has ever risen from their graves to tell us their current place of abode :)

Have you ever ask yourself why are you placed on earth? Do you just happen as a result of evolution? By chance? I believe, there is a creator who planned and design all things on earth including you and I. This world is just too complex to leave it to come by chance. Surely there is a reason for your existen, a purpose and a destiny? This world is just a part of our journey onward. This world is not our home. How long to you reckon you would live on this earth? 70? 80? You may enjoy the thing of the earth for a finite time but do you want to spend an eternity in hell?

Like someone just said in this forum, go get the book Heaven is so real by Choo Thomas. It will blow your mind away. :cool: The other book that I can recomend for your reading pleasure is "A revelation of Hell" by Mary K Baxter which can be found in Chosen Treasure in Sungai Wang. She was the taken up to hell and was shown the full horror of what lies in wait for you. Satan is a far more cunning creature than most of you would give him credit for. For once, he would like the world to believe that he is just somebody with a pointed tail wearing a red suit, holding a trident and smiling his most wicked smile. If you believe that is how satan look like than dream on.

Some of you joke that hell is a better place do not know what you are talking about. God never made hell for us but for satan and his demonic hordes. Don't join them in hell. Here is a little verse from the bible, "For God so love the world that he gave us his begotten son that whosoever believe in him shall not perish(go to hell) but have eternal life." John 3:16. Italic is my addition. :)

tan_r
25-01-2006, 09:02 PM
Orchi, what was the question agin? :D :D :D :D