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VeeJay
17-01-2006, 05:05 PM
No wonder we have high rate of fatalities and accidents on the road! :mad:


I thought this kinda scheme was all gone and done with, with the new regulation was implemented some years back, where one has to publish the “P” sticker, and has to full fill certain hours of classes indoor and outdoor before attempting the test?!! What happened?!! :mad:


Read
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/15/nation/12978170&sec=nation
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/15/nation/12984762&sec=nation
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/15/nation/12592875&sec=nation

trex92
17-01-2006, 05:16 PM
it just seems that everyone knows that this duit kopi thing has been going around for so long except the JPJ director..... sheesh. Really a serious case of living in denial....

isarahim
17-01-2006, 05:49 PM
I have a completely bullet-proof solution: Give all the driving teachers a badge!

bslee
17-01-2006, 05:49 PM
it just seems that everyone knows that this duit kopi thing has been going around for so long except the JPJ director..... sheesh. Really a serious case of living in denial....

Just ask yourself too if the general public has given all out assistance or helped to eradicate ever going corruption?.Its not a one sided crusade. All people know is to whine & quietly cohort with them instead.

1. Leaner drivers should learn driving with a size of car at least the size of Proton Wira or Saga...not toy cars like Kancil. Learn and pass on a Kancil, next day drive a big car..WTF? same huh?..
2. Don't give bribes for tests, proceedures or public service rendered..if unsatisfied..COMPLAIN like hell to JPJ HQ or see officer in charge.
3. If a learner driver has failed, take the test until pass!..less bad drivers on the road. Newly passed licence drivers..should be still classified as "L" (for next 1 year) cos no real experience yet..at least other road users could stay a distance from them and avoid any unwanted accident.

kress
17-01-2006, 06:02 PM
like to give my view on this.... i had to take my jalan test 4 times just because the fellow didn't like how i drove.... Here's an example of one of the times, i was turning left at a t-junction.... and as i was cutting out, i saw a motorcycle about 1 car's length away.. i signalled and cut out ler.... the blardy fellow said i drove dangerously...... so how to pass if don't give bribe? :mad:

Teeque
17-01-2006, 06:22 PM
What happened, you ask? Ahhh...this is bolehland. Anything can happen.

Corruption does breed when the power is in one man's hands. In this case, the driving test examiner. In some countries, 2 examiners will evaluate the learner driver - one frm the driving authority and one frm the traffic police dept. Although this method is not foolproof frm corruption, it does help in a way so as the power to pass is not in one man's hand. If one passed and one failed the learner, there is also an appeal panel to evaluate the learner's appeal with regards to the report card of the learner. So, lesser incidence of cases of corruption.

Here in Bolehland, corruption in driving test hv been happening for umpteen years. As always, the JPJ director will refute the allegations or asked the public to report the driving schools. New laws were enacted to improve the system but the the perpetartors has always found a loophole ard it. Once, in a conversation with a driving instructor, he says these things happen cos they hv to 'cari makan'. They could only make ends meet with the normal stipulated fees.

kwgoh
17-01-2006, 08:36 PM
like to give my view on this.... i had to take my jalan test 4 times just because the fellow didn't like how i drove.... Here's an example of one of the times, i was turning left at a t-junction.... and as i was cutting out, i saw a motorcycle about 1 car's length away.. i signalled and cut out ler.... the blardy fellow said i drove dangerously...... so how to pass if don't give bribe? :mad:

agreed,

In the Mid 70's before you gofor the driving test, the instructor will ask you if you are willing to give bribe the tester, I took my driving test 2 times but failed, why? because I said no!
Those days when you failed you have to re-test all over from 0, I "passed" on the third time. The funniest thing was for the first two time I didn't make any mistake but failed. In the third time a tractor was repairing the road on the left side of the double white line road, and when I saw there was no cars in the oppesite direction, I overtook the tractor. The tester shouted at me, "itu double white line tak boleh poton keluar". I ask him "apa saya kena buah encik?" He replied "awak kena berhenti dan tungku".
I though sure failed again, but the instructor told me if willing to bride RM200 then will be okay. So I passed with "RM200 kopi O" licence. Hehehehe......

dragonfly
17-01-2006, 09:33 PM
It is not difficult to catch the corrupt ones. We just need some honest staffs from ACA or JPJ to go undercover to nap the culprits. But....don't ask me how to find an honest officer in those depts. :p :p

charis14
17-01-2006, 09:56 PM
Remembered my first driving test 2 decades ago - decided not to pay "extra". Even before the car departed from the test compound, the tester had already written so much on his test sheet. Well, I flopped.
For the next test, ... (will not declare what can be used against me lah)...

CS Chua
17-01-2006, 10:30 PM
It is standard procedure that one will fail the first time if nothing is given. Regardless of whether the candidate makes any mistakes or not. Unless you are very lucky and manage to get a honest tester. Unlikely but possible. My son passed on his third try and it costs us more than $1000.00 for the driving lessons, exam fees etc. I think we pay too much for a driving license.

If I am not mistaken it costs US$6.00 to get a US driving license and it is easy to pass. Likewise in Thailand too. At the end of the day, making the driving test harder does not necessary reduce road fatalities. It is the drivers' attitude and strict law enforcement that are important.

Zimon
17-01-2006, 11:45 PM
Maybe we should fix a video camera and record the whole test. If one has done everything right and still fail, request for a review then a second tester will review the whole episode and award a pass if there is no mistake made.

One point I like to ask here is why cant one take the driving test with an automatic car.?????????

USJ27Resident
17-01-2006, 11:59 PM
It is not difficult to catch the corrupt ones. We just need some honest staffs from ACA or JPJ to go undercover to nap the culprits. But....don't ask me how to find an honest officer in those depts. :p :p

Please la... since when :rolleyes: :mad:

Read tomorrows' newspaper and see what I mean about hooligans in uniforms. These people think just because they wear an enforcement uniform, they can behave like thugs, extortionist and gangsters... nothing more than licensed to terrorise the general population! :mad:

Every other day we read and hear stories of these stuff and yet ~ instead of catching and penalising these black sheep, their Head of Department will ALMOST ALWAYS come up with a statement or a bloody excuse to exonerate these useless officers...

ACA? They're only a housebroken toothless tiger that obey commands better than a Rottweiler in Shah Alam :p

in
18-01-2006, 08:52 AM
I took my test twice and passed on the second try.....without any kopi money. In fact, I felt that I did more mistakes (I forgot to do the checking of indicators, wipers etc) on my second try. The tester was a kindly looking middle age guy - I wan't offering any duit kopi and he wasn't asking! There should be more guys like him around.

trex92
18-01-2006, 09:13 AM
Just ask yourself too if the general public has given all out assistance or helped to eradicate ever going corruption?.Its not a one sided crusade. All people know is to whine & quietly cohort with them instead.

1. Leaner drivers should learn driving with a size of car at least the size of Proton Wira or Saga...not toy cars like Kancil. Learn and pass on a Kancil, next day drive a big car..WTF? same huh?..
2. Don't give bribes for tests, proceedures or public service rendered..if unsatisfied..COMPLAIN like hell to JPJ HQ or see officer in charge.
3. If a learner driver has failed, take the test until pass!..less bad drivers on the road. Newly passed licence drivers..should be still classified as "L" (for next 1 year) cos no real experience yet..at least other road users could stay a distance from them and avoid any unwanted accident.

The eradication process can only begin if the Pengarah JPJ admits that there is corruption in the first place. Sometimes the public has got no choice but to foot the corruption. My driving school had told me that if did not pay, it would cause certain difficulties in the driving test even if i drove smoothly. So in this instance it is not "hey wanna pay or not" but it is a "you better pay or else" situation.

VeeJay
18-01-2006, 10:19 AM
I think we should also do our part by not giving any duit kopi...but as CS Chua mentioned the cost is way to high for many to bear a fail and repay the amount and go thru the whole process again.....

I think changing or rather reducing the cost of going for the driving test would help a whole heap in reducing bribe...How , let me story tell you about my experience…

I took my driving test for both B2 and D in the mid 80s, for both test I did not pay any Kopi money and I passed on first sitting. Many of my friends either paid or re-sat for the exam couple of times…

The reason I did not pay was, one I was confident of passing since I have been driving both car and bike since 13 yrs of age…mainly within the plantation estate that we lived in…although occasionally would drive on main road…curi curilah without Dad knowing...it only happened after I reach 17…

Anyways , the motivation that I had not to bribe was that the cost of sitting for a test was cheap, if I’m not mistaken like RM35, so why I need to pay like RM200 to pass, where I could re-sit atleast 5 times with that amount of many, and I’m pretty sure that I will pass at least for the fifth time?!

Its only best if the gomen could reduce the fees and then many would easily opt not paying the bribe and don’t mind re-sitting again, but it should not stop there….because there are still going to be small group who would practice bribe for convenient sake…malas nak pi testlah, etc…so its best that a team or ACA is set to spot check on their operation…

dragonfly
18-01-2006, 04:03 PM
My daughter, 17+.....just after her SPM examinations applied to sit for written test. The instructor told me it is 'acceptable' practice to pay 'extra' to pass. I refused, as my daughter is a straight As student in PMR and she had read the highway code book and got all answers right when I gave her a 'trial' test. After her first test, I couldn't believe she failed by 1 mark! She had told me she could answer all the questions...except one. During her second test she obtained the same marks. Still I wouldn't give in. In her third attempt, she got full marks. How about that?

Even when she sits for the driving test this week.....I am not going to give anything. See what happens!!

idolfan
18-01-2006, 04:21 PM
How many of us can say we have not "settled" in one way or another to make life a little bit more pleasant.. eg.. not having to go to court to settle a speeding summons.. looks like some foruumers here are willing to admit they actually paid for their driving license.. so is it a matter of "thats the way it is" and we just accept it and life goes on. On another note.. how many of us continue to buy pirated dvds even though we know its illegal.. or do we blame the authorities and say they are not enforcing. The wwf ad comes to mind.. "when the buying stops , so will the killing"

The above are just ramblings from a guy sitting in front of his pc.. dun get too worked up over it.

VeeJay
18-01-2006, 04:23 PM
Dragonfly...if you dont mind, could you share with us, how much does it cost to sit for the exam...and all other related fees? Thanx

AllUrban
18-01-2006, 04:38 PM
Just ask yourself too if the general public has given all out assistance or helped to eradicate ever going corruption?.Its not a one sided crusade. All people know is to whine & quietly cohort with them instead.

3. If a learner driver has failed, take the test until pass!..less bad drivers on the road. Newly passed licence drivers..should be still classified as "L" (for next 1 year) cos no real experience yet..at least other road users could stay a distance from them and avoid any unwanted accident.


In Ontario, Canada, they introduced a system called "graduated licensing" in 1995.

There are three stages to the licensing. First stage is "G1" learner's license, it can only be received after a successful pass rate on the written test.

"G1" license allows you to drive with the following restrictions:

a licensed driver with at least 5 years experience has to be in the passenger seat beside you
your blood-alcohol level of 0
there can be no more passengers in the car than there are functioning seatbelts and only 1 passenger in the front seat (so max 3-4 passengers)
you cannot drive between 12:00 am and 6:00 am
you cannot drive on limited access divided expressways

This period lasts for 12 months, but can be shortened to 8 months if you have a certificate with 40 hours of driving school experience.

To get to the second stage you have to take a driving test at a driving centre. If you fail, you stay in the "G1" stage and have to reschedule the test.

If you pass, you get into the G2 stage. This stage lasts for a mandatory 12 months. In the G2 stage you are:

allowed to drive on your own
allowed to drive at night
allowed as many passengers in the car as there are functioning seatbelts
allowed a blood-alcohol level of 0.05 (less than the legal limit of 0.08)
allowed to drive on expressways

At the end of the 12 months, the driver has to sit for another test, the G2 exit test. If the driver passes, then he/she has all the privileges of a fully licensed driver.

The total cost of the licensing varies.

$10 CAD for written test
$50 CAD for a license good for 5 years (subject to your success in the test)
$40 CAD for the G1 exit driving test
$50 CAD for the G2 exit driving test

The reason for the graduated licensing system was that too many young people were getting involved in too many collisions, and too many inexperienced drivers were getting licensed.

The testing process is challenging and stringent and examiners are seriously against corruption. I remember one newspaper article about an examiner.

He said that a test candidate had dropped a $50 bill in his lap during the driving test.

he said "what's this?"
the driver said "oh, I dont know, it isn't mine."

so the examiner said "well it isnt mine either" and he tossed the $50 out the window :D

Cheers, m

driving is a privilege, not a right!