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orchipalar
11-01-2006, 08:27 PM
Err...for the life of Orchi...is the education ministry really going ahead to permit students in primary n secondary schools...to carry cellphones...?

Orchi sees this as more of a commercial propaganda n agenda...ahem...increases in sales of cellphones...cellphone pre or postpaid subscriptions...n revenues from cellphone's related services such as sms...games...contests...phone chats...n other freaking promos... :rolleyes:

kevin23
11-01-2006, 08:34 PM
i think children in primary schools should not b allowed to bring cellphones to school...mann,wat is the purpose of those small lil kids bringing cellphones to school?? but i would recommend that the government allow secondary going students to bring cellphones to school but they must follow the regulations so that they interfere with class.

orchipalar
11-01-2006, 08:38 PM
Err...ALL the freaking snatch thieves...thugs...drug addicts...punks n robbers...would be DAMN FORKING HAPPY too!...easy picking of preys!...:rolleyes:

kevin23
11-01-2006, 08:43 PM
yup...thatz y itz down to the parents also to think whether to allow their children to bring cellphones to school

orchipalar
11-01-2006, 08:49 PM
Err...some parties at the education ministry MUST be involved in this freaking decisions...that could give rise to potential harms n jeopardize the safety n well beings of the students in n outside of schools...ahem...putting the kids as easy targets of all sorts of the freaking imaginable n unimaginable crimes...

IT used to be kids normally do NOT carry much valuables with them...

BUT now...more kids would carry cellphones...n those who are NOT carrying cellphones would be easily approaced n intimidated as well...as the easy targets...n putting them at unnecessary risks! :mad:

kevin23
11-01-2006, 08:55 PM
yeah..but i still think they should be allowed to carry hp to school...if not,y are college students allowed to do so...they will interfere with the lecture...so must as well ban college students from bringing cellphones to college????

jand
11-01-2006, 10:50 PM
yeah..but i still think they should be allowed to carry hp to school...if not,y are college students allowed to do so...they will interfere with the lecture...so must as well ban college students from bringing cellphones to college????

quite simply, really.

one's a minor, the other's a major.

Lexus
12-01-2006, 12:21 AM
May I ask on what is the main purpose of students for bringing handphones to school in Malaysia?

aurora97
12-01-2006, 12:49 AM
i see the gap and between rich and poor widening, isn't a school suppose to be a neutral place where all races, people, society, class, everyone come to gather and have fun learning? We don't need materialistic yuppies roaming the school, with their mobiles in the canteen chatting away.

What next starbucks in local schools, hey why not commercialize all over schools?

Where is the unity, have you ever wonder why we all where the same unifrom to school while we are young or even till present date? Why the same subject is being thought all over the country? Why bahasa Malaysia is our mother tongue? GOOOSsshhh Gov really need to go back to basics and remember what our forefathers have done!

Teeque
12-01-2006, 02:36 AM
aurora,

Firstly, is owning a handphone considered to be a plaything for the rich? Can owning a handphone divide us frm rich and poor? I agree handphone used to be a luxury item 10 years ago but now, it has become a common item much like TVs or radios. The only thing that is the problem here is using/bringing it in school. Do u bring a portable TV or radio/walkman set to school and watch/listen to them while in school?
I hv even heard of schoolchildren bringing their Gameboy sets to school. Illegal ofcos. It shld not be the case. Point is, one shld not be allowed to bring anything to school that can interfere with the classes.
Ahem...this reminds me of my schooldays where I had brought a Game n Watch set (remember this 80s gizmo) to school and had it confiscated all becos of a blabbermouth classmate. Another tale to tell on another day perhaps...hehe.

syltel
12-01-2006, 09:32 AM
I was once one of those parents who were dead set against kids owning and bringging h/phones to school. my daughter used to beg, plead, bargained deals to get one but I refused. Her main reason then was because "all my friends has one".isn't it said even kids in primary school have these status quo?The quest for hand phone continued till last year when i said she can have one if she buys it with her own money and pays for the prepaid herself.(I then thought well, she cant possibly ever afford one!!) But She managed to earn money by doing adverts and bought herself one. (A better h/phone then mine, I might add) And she now pays for the prepaid herself with her allowance.

I do not let her carry the h/phone to school unless she has extra activities after school.And when she does take it to school, she is not allowed to switch it on during school hours.It does have it's pros and cons on taking h/phones to school.As at times the public phone in the school is not working and apparently at times she gets a hard time from the admin office if she needs to use their phone to call home. As teeque mentioned,


Firstly, is owning a handphone considered to be a plaything for the rich?
Can owning a handphone divide us frm rich and poor? I agree handphone used to be a luxury item 10 years ago but now, it has become a common item much like TVs or radios.

It is so true...times are changing. Now kids ask for mp3's and what nots....Give them a radio and they stare at you as if you have gone mad.They dont even play with marbles anymore!! now, they are glued to the computer with mp3's/ipods glued to their ear.

AllUrban
12-01-2006, 10:06 AM
aurora,

Firstly, is owning a handphone considered to be a plaything for the rich? Can owning a handphone divide us frm rich and poor? .

That would depend on interpretations of what being rich/poor means in Malaysia.

After all, a foreign car (Honda Civic) can cost in the range of RM100,000. That same car would cost 25,000 in Canada.

Consider it this way...how much of your annual salary would you have to spend on a car...the average Canadian can buy a car with the equivalent of 8 months of salary.

So think about it...RM500 for a phone...how much of the average person's salary monthly is being spent on a handphone? 20%? 15%

In Canada I would pay have to pay 200-300 for a phone, perhaps up to 5% of my salary...and in Canada I would get a higher monthly salary than the average Malaysian gets here....

Even if you factor in the exchange rate, cost of living in Malaysia is high...


The only thing that is the problem here is using/bringing it in school. Point is, one shld not be allowed to bring anything to school that can interfere with the classes.


Mr. M warned his students on the first day that he has a bad habit of confiscating handphones if he sees them being used in class. Unfortunately, this habit usually includes keeping the handphone overnight, or passing it to the director. Once in a while he has been kind enough to return the handphone, but keeps the SIMkad.

Very few students make that mistake twice :)

ksj_cool
12-01-2006, 10:32 AM
If you allow students to carry handphones to school, it would give rise to a lot of disciplinary problems. Talking during schooling times or playing games during schooling times can be prohibited but there will be students still taking their chances. Then there will people calling your daughters during school hours, this could be case of somebody maliciously passing yr daughter (or maybe son's number to someone else). Cases of blackmailing may rise, snatch theives won't have to venture far, just hanging out at the school gate would be enough. We will be putting our children under unnecessssary risk! I have traind my children to call from the public booth set up in school and it has worked for them. They don't really need a hp to call home in case of emergency!

Knight1993
12-01-2006, 10:45 AM
since i'm a form 1 student myself,i don't see the problem of bringing handphones to school,after beeing in my school,i find it rather hard to reach the phone since its at the second floor,and nobody is allowed to go to the second floor before/after school and during recess.....so that means the only thing that we can use to communicate with our parents or other ppl is via the HPs......and i heard that virus that transmit via saliva will have a chance to attack us........

thats what i think larr.......

DarReNz
12-01-2006, 11:37 AM
nowadays even those primary students have hp's .... i remember the last time i had it was during college time ......

Jose Mourinho
12-01-2006, 11:50 AM
nowadays even those primary students have hp's .... i remember the last time i had it was during college time ......

Welcome to 2006. Time stands still for nobody. I am not saying that I agree that primary school children should be allowed to bring cellphones to school. Neither am I disagreeing. What I am saying here is that don't you sometimes feel that the world has rushed by and we are left standing, rather confused and disorientated? I grew up and was in upper secondary school during the times when there were no electronic calculators and my typwriter was a manual Olivetti in heavy metal casing.

Think about it.

shali
12-01-2006, 12:15 PM
By a circular dated 23rd December 2005, signed by the Director-General of Education, Dato’ Dr Ahamad Sipon, the Ministry of Education has lifted the total ban of hand-phone in schools. That new guidelines provide a clear and controlled use of hand-phones in schools and is most welcomed by parents. If one reads the new guidelines, there is little or no room for abuse of hand-phones by students. I think it is unfair to criticize the up lifting of the ban without reading the detail guidelines.

The uplifting of the ban was in fact a response to the general call by parents themselves for the ban to be reviewed. Besides, hand-phones have now become the main tools used by parents to keep in touch with, and keep track of, their children and loved ones in schools. I feel that school regulators are facing a more basic reality; it is no longer possible to enforce such total ban as was previously the case. The gradual ease of the masses to get connected to each other using high technology cannot be denied. Falling prices of mobile phones and the aggressive efforts by local operators to market "cheap family plans" to parents and teenagers, have directly resulted in positive effect.
Major states in USA, who boasts 50% of students across the board have hand-phones, have also revised their strict ban of phones in schools, after conducting many studies. Some argue that cell phones had become as common as wrist watches and should not be seen as any more disruptive or extraordinary. In Malaysia, cellular phone is now a serious communication tool for anyone. Many parents and grand parents say they have grown accustomed to the easy means of keeping tabs on their children and loved ones, not only when they are in schools but also after school hours.

I have peace of mind, knowing that my kids are fine when they are away. And if they miss the school bus, during a dark stormy day, they can call me at the push of a button. Mind you, I can pre-programme my kids' hand-phones to accept calls only from members of my family. If that’s not enough, I can also set the hand-phones so that my children can only call selected numbers approved by me.

Of course there'll always be one or two absent-minded students around who will forget to switch off their phones. (sometimes, even teachers forget). With such technology, this is bound to happen and a quick apology should be able to fix that. One feature of the new circular is that it leaves the discretion to parents, rather than to tie their hands.

jand
12-01-2006, 12:58 PM
so, if technology has brought mobile phones to the level of wrist watches, then it shouldn't matter if the phones are from a fixed price bracket.
Let's say <RM300 (new and resale - excluding black market prices of course).
If it really is just for making emergency phone calls, then there's no necessity for it to have any functionality beyond making phone calls and sms, right?

If we take this further ahead, schoolkids can only purchase and use a specific brand that are also incidentally supplied by, yours truly here? :D
j-mobile, anyone? ;)

Yang Akan Berbisnes jand

ps: sorry, tupai. I just have to take a shot :D

shali
12-01-2006, 01:28 PM
I just have to take a shot :D


But you missed :D

orchipalar
12-01-2006, 02:55 PM
Thursday January 12, 2006

The great handphone-in-school debate

BY KAREN CHAPMAN
Educate@thestar.com.my

PETALING JAYA: The Education Ministry's decision to lift the ban on handphones in schools from this year has generally caused an uproar.

Director General of Education Datuk Dr Ahamad Sipon cited the increasing number of students owning handphones due to cheaper service charges and handsets as the reason for lifting the ban.

“Basically, the Education Ministry does not want to prevent the usage of handphones in school. But their use by both teachers and students must be controlled so that the teaching and learning process is not disrupted,” he said in a circular.

Err...Most teachers have got plenty to do when discharging their duties at schools...last they need is to be faced with more disciplinary issues relating to the use of cellphones by students whilst at schools...

Last they would be expected of to do...is to worry or go thru the unnecessary burdens of addressing issues of cellphones abuses by the students in schools...

Why create more unnecessary headaches n additional problems which are prone to happen...when the students are allowed to bring cellphones to schools...

RING IT IN

Yim Pheng

“Let's not panic unnecessarily with the lifting of the ban. Let's see what happens first. If there are problems as a result of the directive, I am sure the Education Ministry can then review the situation.

“Schools should also have their own rules on the matter.”

SMK La Salle (Petaling Jaya) principal A Rajenthran

“I welcome the ministry's lifting of the ban. We allowed students to bring their handphones last year for convenience and security reasons.

Many parents want to be able to contact their children. They also want their children to be able to contact them in case of an emergency.

Err...all these while...should the students run into some kinda concerns or problems...they should report to the teachers...n then attempts should be made to contact the parents or guardians by the school...ahem...it should NOT then be an issue to begin with....

“We set up a process where students who want to bring their handphones can do so, but they have to first register with us.

“We cannot run away from the fact that handphones make things extremely convenient these days."

Parent Abu Kadir Abdullah, 49

"All of us in the family keep in touch with each other via handphones, so in this ICT (information and communication technology) age, having handphones will help us communicate faster better."

Parent K.K. Wong, 43

“In this day and age where both parents are busy working until late in the day they have to depend on the handphone to keep in touch with their children in school. It is no more just a gadget to show off, it has become a necessity. Many parents can attest to the fact that it has helped them in their lives. School authorities should make sure students help us communicate faster and better.”

Err...when primary kids go about their PEs or other outdoor activities in schools...the students would have to leave their phones in their classes respectively...

When cellphones go missing...would the parents start pointing their fingers at the school's security measures to...jaga cellphones?

When parents need to contact the students in emergency cases...or should they be worried about their kids...the parents could always call the schools or the teachers themselves...to enquire about the welfare of their kids in schools...

CALL IT OFF

Parent V. Gunasekaran

“I am really scared for my daughter. Some IT savvy boys may take funny pictures of girls and circulate them through the MMS. The Ministry should have a rethink.”

Senior assistant Mary Goh

“We have a strict ban on handphones. I really don't see a need for students to bring them to school. There are enough public telephones in school and if there is an emergency, they can always use the office telephone.

“Although we are very strict, and will confiscate the phones if we catch them with one, some still manage to sneak them into school. It's really not a good idea.

Principal Suzana Ahmad

“I am concerned because bringing handphones to school will distract students from concentrating on their studies.

“Students are here to learn but they may be unable to resist the urge to check their phones for messages every now and then. After teaching for many years in urban schools, I can tell you that children in these areas can be very sneaky and may put their phones on silent mode in class.

Teacher R. Usha

“I agree it is not a good move. I am worried about the impact on those who do not have handphones. Children from wealthier backgrounds may possess state-of-the-art phones while the poorer ones may have something simpler or none at all. This will cause jealousy and may even result in thefts.”

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aurora97
12-01-2006, 02:57 PM
Mobile phone is it a need or a want, we come back to the old age question from our dear old Economic Theory.

take Note: "My discussions only cover Secondary and Primary Schools and excludes Colleges and University."

Your really have to consider the issues first:
1. Are we giving to much leverage to our children, "papa i need a hanphone, with her eyes swollen (with some eye-mo to add to the effect of tears), those cute little eyes, constant nagging, begging, harrassing and so on..." Just to resolve this problem papa actually goes out and get daughter a brand new $3K hanphone! after that everything becomes heavnly, your daughter is happy and no more nagging... so forth.
-Few years down the line employing the same tactic, she knows it will work and obviously you've forgotten the inccident. She manages to squeeze somemore from you (barbie doll(obviously this one i don't mindlah, obvious wat she's a gal), cosmetic from Bobby Brown, facial stuff from Origin... and the list goes on, while you think "it's gal stuff what, they need it."), this scenario is know as the spoilt child.
-The Father whose willing to give the world to their children.

2. Is a hanphone cheap, we are not even into the topic of the phone bill COST? Can you buy it with Rm 50? or 100? guess not, when our countries minimum wage is about (i wil give it a more generous figure) Rm 10/an hour or Rm 500-700++ figure. This are the class of people you don't normally see, as you are kept well secure in your air-conditioned office. My hometown is Tawau(of the edge of Malaysia), i have been to school with the hardcore poor and the rich togather. I've seen alot during my primary and secondary school days, even experienced the controversy of mobile phone in school (usually the hardcore rich will have it).

3. Cost of Mobile phone Calls, ah yes the right eight people can get your our of trouble. How much is actually too much, again do you think our children will spend Rm 50 on their calls PER WEEK/Month (put it realistically more like per day)? Whats the urgency of kids having mobiles???
a. To call their buddies?
b. To call Gf/Bf
c. Relationship Crisis!
d. fights between buddies, gossip, slandering
e. so forth.
Now i doubt that they are on the phone, calling up people to execute a million dollar business. They are just kids why pamper them, let them concentrate on their studies first and probably later they might end up owning Maxis, or Celcom and they can talk all they want!

4. Suddenly from the background you here some funky R &B, or beep or vibration, typical of a college class. I've been through college, and each time in lectures this is what happens. I lose focus of what i am doing, same thing happened in University over 400 odd students in the class. Can you imagine how difficult the situation already is for the lecturer, when your have 5-10 phones going off? I feel like stabbing this people with my pen, and using their eye balls to rest my tired eyes. :mad:
-Malaysians will be Malaysians, they always forget to switch off their mobile while in lectures or in Class. Again the "tak apalah" attitude.

5. the "slippery slope effect", the arguement where by 10 years ago kids don't have mobile phones in schools, well i think at the present its ok cause we are in the 21st century. Well i guess its the same that goes, well 50 years ago our country impose death sentence for taking drugs, dad lets smoke weed togather and get "high," and now its the 30th century (possibility of legalization of drugs very real). Once your down the other end of the slippery slope it will be very hard to climb back up. Probably you can;t imagine drugs being legalized anytime soon, in the UK we have human clonning issues, Euthanasia in Europre and so forth.

6. I would prefer uniformity in schools (Secondary and Primary), homogeneous, and a school than reflects our culture, national pride, and multiculturism. Why change when its not broken?

i can go on and on, but i will add on as the thread goes on....

gtl
12-01-2006, 03:09 PM
i am for it, times have changed, in the olden days, there was no such facilities, nowadays it is different, we hv to move with time. communication mode have changed.
it is quite impossible to find anyone without a handphone nowadays, it is already a part of our daily accessories.
i am supporting this move..........

CoryFan
12-01-2006, 03:10 PM
People...think of the other side of the box...

What if the kid missed the school bus and he/she need to contact his/her parents. Looking for a public phone??? If you even use public phone in Malaysia, you will certainly know that most of them doesn't works....

What if the kid are walking home from school and chase by a dog or even injured by a dog... Do your kid usually have a "contact list" hanged on his neck/in his bag/in the school bag??? How anyone should call u - the parents

What if when the kid have any emergency outside of school... again, looking for a public phone???

That is why after the british bombing, the authority have suggest all user of mobile enter a ICE ( in case of emergency) number in their mobile....

I guess it is a matter how you teach your kid to use the cellphone... Or limit their use by locking their phone to certain number...

Think Think Think before Talk Talk Talk....

aurora97
12-01-2006, 03:23 PM
Note
Remember what you all decide is a "slippery slope," think of the consequences and the results before you proceed. Once you implement it, and it become a norm in society it will be very difficult to "turn back and say hey this is no good."

Than again mobile phones convenience can be taken for granted, in which most of us will do. We refuse to let our children to fend for themselves, for example: "SEILAH/DIELAH/SILIAULAH no mobile phone, HOW TO GET HOME." Probably in the next 20 yrs this kids won't even know how to operate a public phone! I have seen children so grown/accustomed to mobile phones they can't live a day without it, indirectly its an addiction. Where is human communication, emmotion and face to face mediation, those greeting card never come no more, screw those SMS greetings (send by bulk and no sincerity at all)! The ultimate Spoon Feeding starts with mobiles phone, i trying to think what will come next?

We are literally Loving/Caring our children to death, there is always an alternative to mobile phone (sure you can think of itlah). Therefore, convenience cannot be used as an excuse to trump all other factors.

Over-reliance can lead to our very own Waterloo, i believed most of us have seen I-Robot. I am not suggesting that robots would one day rule the world, bla bla... but the our very own creation could prove to be our down fall.

So try those figure out simple things for yourself before you really need to "CALL YOUR EIGht BEST FRIENDS for some damn stupid advise"

CoryFan
12-01-2006, 03:36 PM
Note
Remember what you all decide is a "slippery slope," think of the consequences and the results before you proceed. Once you implement it, and it become a norm in society it will be very difficult to "turn back and say hey this is no good."

Than again mobile phones convenience can be taken for granted, in which most of us will do. We refuse to let our children to fend for themselves, for example: "SEILAH/DIELAH/SILIAULAH no mobile phone, HOW TO GET HOME." Probably in the next 20 yrs this kids won't even know how to operate a public phone! I have seen children so grown/accustomed to mobile phones they can't live a day without it, indirectly its an addiction. Where is human communication, emmotion and face to face mediation, those greeting card never come no more, screw those SMS greetings (send by bulk and no sincerity at all)! The ultimate Spoon Feeding starts with mobiles phone, i trying to think what will come next?

We are literally Loving/Caring our children to death, there is always an alternative to mobile phone (sure you can think of itlah). Therefore, convenience cannot be used as an excuse to trump all other factors.

Over-reliance can lead to our very own Waterloo, i believed most of us have seen I-Robot. I am not suggesting that robots would one day rule the world, bla bla... but the our very own creation could prove to be our down fall.

So try those figure out simple things for yourself before you really need to "CALL YOUR EIGht BEST FRIENDS for some damn stupid advise"

Hi, I guess you should pass you handphone to your kid (if u have one) and start using public phone before you ask the kid to find and use one. :p

Teeque
12-01-2006, 03:38 PM
That would depend on interpretations of what being rich/poor means in Malaysia.

After all, a foreign car (Honda Civic) can cost in the range of RM100,000. That same car would cost 25,000 in Canada.

Consider it this way...how much of your annual salary would you have to spend on a car...the average Canadian can buy a car with the equivalent of 8 months of salary.

So think about it...RM500 for a phone...how much of the average person's salary monthly is being spent on a handphone? 20%? 15%

In Canada I would pay have to pay 200-300 for a phone, perhaps up to 5% of my salary...and in Canada I would get a higher monthly salary than the average Malaysian gets here....

Even if you factor in the exchange rate, cost of living in Malaysia is high...


Aiyo allurban...buying car different than buying tv or stereo or mobile ma.

U could see for urself, everyone frm the super rich to the lower income ppl all do carry mobiles. Only depends on the canggih-ness of the hp the diff classes can afford ma. For the lower income ppl, they can even get a 2nd hand one for RM30 only ma so not a prob for them. Also, now prepaid packs r sold between rm5 - 10 so, affordable oso ma. Reload? Min rm3 oso no problem. So why discriminate and state that having a mobile is a class/status thing when it isnt the case anymore??

But if u carry a Blackberry...ahhh...diff case la... :rolleyes:

cthainn
12-01-2006, 03:41 PM
I heard a story from my fren that his school kid using hp during exam "to sell" the answer to his class mates. :eek: This is one of the issue that the school authority should look at.

gtl
12-01-2006, 03:50 PM
mode to cheat in exam comes in many forms, we shd not ban mobile phones just bcs some students uses it to cheat.
btw, how many of us uses public phones? i have not used them for years..........we are all independent without having to depend of public phones which is filthy and mostly broken down.

isarahim
12-01-2006, 03:59 PM
May I ask on what is the main purpose of students for bringing handphones to school in Malaysia?
Safety.

There are special children handphones in the UK which can be locked to certain numbers.

aurora97
12-01-2006, 04:01 PM
Personally CoryFan, i am not yet a father. come onlah not everyone in this discussion is as old as your think.

I've been through the stage so i know the ropes, when i was in secondary school; I had no mobile phone with me. My dad is always busy with his work as he deals with the plantation sector (mobile phone here is dead essential), with rugged roads, millions of palm oils line the coast of Sabah, business deals to be cut out in the interior, you West Malaysians are very lucky.

My dad promised to pick me up from tuition but never showed up, so i decied to walk home about a 5Km walk. My tuition ended at 5pm, and in Sabah it gets dark around 6pm. Half way walking back, my dad at the same time was driving home and spotted me by the road side walking back. I wasn't complaining or screwing my dad for breaking his promise, but at least he learnt his lesson and always picked me up on the dot.

Even without a mobile, i could still rely on other means for example the schools telephone. I remember when i was dead sick while at school, i used the school phone to call home. I even ventured to nearby houses, and offered to pay for their phone to make a call back home. Fortunately, there was neighbours around there, and also a church next to my school so i don't have to resort to those meanslah.

I use to own a sonny erricson T28 (back than it was $1200, only consolation was i bought it with my money+ang pow and savings) when i was form 3, now i saw the reasoning albeit status quo, pride and privilege. Now i use an o2 XDA IIi, which definately must goreng blackberry LOL, but thats besides the pointlah. I need it to observe the market trend, which is very crucial for me.

If you used technology to work for you, than its an asset and if otherwise if your slave to it... *cough* your screwed.

aurora97
12-01-2006, 04:08 PM
mode to cheat in exam comes in many forms, we shd not ban mobile phones just bcs some students uses it to cheat.
btw, how many of us uses public phones? i have not used them for years..........we are all independent without having to depend of public phones which is filthy and mostly broken down.

right on! I have to use itlah, cause my parents are Sabahan and they live there. Furthermore everyone is everywhere, scattered from as far as Nilai to Kajanag and KL. Whilst for me i stay in Puchong.

This Kids everyday meet in school, and you know they won;t go anywhere else still need mobile? If during the weekends, or they go clubbing at night probably i would let them have a mobile. If its in school, come onlah think logically.

Besides no matter how you lock your phone, your kids are smarter than you think. Either he/she manages to override your restrictions, or another simpler way have two mobiles like Teeque said 2nd hand for Rm 30? (where got ah?)

idolfan
12-01-2006, 04:13 PM
The uplifting of the ban was in fact a response to the general call by parents themselves for the ban to be reviewed.

I find this statement by the ministry quite amusing.. without any figures to support their claim. Since when does the ministry listen to parents anyway and do they even have a mechanism in place for feedback from parents .. besides the lame PIBGs which are more for fundraising than any other prupose.

shali
12-01-2006, 04:26 PM
Safety. There are special children handphones in the UK which can be locked to certain numbers.

True indeed. I have peace of mind, knowing that my kids are fine when they are away. And if they miss the school bus, during a dark stormy day, they can call me at the push of a button. Mind you, I can pre-programme my kids' hand-phones to accept calls only from members of my family. If that’s not enough, I can also set the hand-phones so that my children can only call selected numbers approved by me.

Teeque
12-01-2006, 04:26 PM
Note
.....Over-reliance can lead to our very own Waterloo, i believed most of us have seen I-Robot. I am not suggesting that robots would one day rule the world, bla bla... but the our very own creation could prove to be our down fall....

Consider this little invention which we use it, look at it, touch it, sometimes laugh at it, sometimes cry, sometimes blast it, sometimes curse at it, most times u love it, other times u loathe it, and almost 100%, u cant live without it and if u leave home without it, you may go insane. And you do all these things to it EVERY single day and not even noticed it. This little invention came into our lives more than 50 years ago and has, until now, controlled our daily lives and we hv not thought much abt it nowadays. And, we DO over-rely on this thing and hv also been enriched by it. But more than 50 years ago when it was invented, it was then called a bane to human lives. And funnily, it still is. We are all almost addicted to it. What is this thing? It is called the IDIOT box - the very much loved or loathed, mighty TELEVISION, in short, TV.

Now, is TV a good or bad thing that came into our lives? Has it lead us to our Waterloo? Or downfall? Hv we really gone insane becos of it?

aurora97
12-01-2006, 04:32 PM
Consider this little invention which we use it, look at it, touch it, sometimes laugh at it, sometimes cry, sometimes blast it, sometimes curse at it, most times u love it, other times u loathe it, and almost 100%, u cant live without it and if u leave home without it, you may go insane. And you do all these things to it EVERY single day and not even noticed it. This little invention came into our lives more than 50 years ago and has, until now, controlled our daily lives and we hv not thought much abt it nowadays. And, we DO over-rely on this thing and hv also been enriched by it. But more than 50 years ago when it was invented, it was then called a bane to human lives. And funnily, it still is. We are all almost addicted to it. What is this thing? It is called the IDIOT box - the very much loved or loathed, mighty TELEVISION, in short, TV.

Now, is TV a good or bad thing that came into our lives? Has it lead us to our Waterloo? Or downfall? Hv we really gone insane becos of it?

Question here is whether Mobile Phone will and can be introduced into schools, try and put it in that context. Cause the question you posed to me is a bit vague. I am not condemning the world shouldn't use mobile phones, probably some might misunderstand the context i am using, but all i am relating to is whether mobile phones should be in the school and kids have a tendency to over-rely on it. Try reading on some of my other recent post, where by my dad forgot about his promise to pick me up.

Sorry i am poor at expressing myself... :(

isarahim
12-01-2006, 04:32 PM
If that’s not enough, I can also set the hand-phones so that my children can only call selected numbers approved by me.
Yeah, there are even some children phones with built in GPS and which allow remote position enquiry from defined number. The prices are coming down rapidly on these things.

I've heard of cases where schoolgirls have escaped rapists by just showing that they have a phone and are ready to press the button.

But of course those are not general purpose phones which I think Orchi's point was about.

Teeque
12-01-2006, 04:35 PM
...like Teeque said 2nd hand for Rm 30? (where got ah?)

Come, I sell u mine...Samsung N-200...RM30...want?

aurora97
12-01-2006, 04:37 PM
Come, I sell u mine...Samsung N-200...RM30...want?

nplah, u wan my XDA IIi for Rm 3200 or not? i don't need too many handphones in my house.
-hiyah point is, u relfect it on MArket price. What the market demands and supply is not what you offer. Of course between person offers can sometimes be lower than market prices.

Teeque
12-01-2006, 04:48 PM
aurora,

mebbe try relating ur posts to wat hv been written n mebbe u can see things clearer? I can see wat ur saying, just dat some things dont equate or measure up wat ur trying to say. :p No i'm not picking on u either if ur asking. :)

Abt ur 5km walk frm tuition, wouldnt matters be solved IF u had a mobile with u and contactable by ur dad? Its a convenient means even if u do not hv to go thru 'other' means like asking ard, plead others or pay for the trouble etc etc.

Aiya, ur xda canggih, dat every1 knows. If u can afford ma. Those who can onli afford my rm30 hp will buy mine ler. And there are buyers, mind u, among lower income grp. :cool:

Teeque
12-01-2006, 04:59 PM
Back to the question - shld allow or not allow?

I'm all for it, with restrictions. Like wat shali n isarahim mentioned, if there r special purpose handphones for kids available, all the better.

yab jand, lets go into biz together. can u make these special purpose handphones? with 9 mil skool kids, we'll be billionaires in no time. i oredi owned part of putrajaya, i oso wanna donate 1bil to national cancer fund. :D

orchipalar
12-01-2006, 05:01 PM
Err...should the bastards have in their minds n chances to rape students...n while they are up for that evil act...you really think...there is any chance by holding a cellphone...it could deter the bastards' evil act...?

Ahem...likewise...when a pit bull is chasing after the student...would anyone think that a cellphone could save the dear life...?...n what would the parents do...should they receive such call from their kids...telling them that a fierce dog...is chasing after them...?

Err...Orchi has 4 cellphones collecting dusts at home...could somebody be more kind to tell Orchi....how Orchi could preset or restrict call numbers...on them?

While at it...could that someone be kind also to tell Orchi how Orchi could preset the phones to receive only calls or sms from certain numbers...?

Teeque
12-01-2006, 05:06 PM
orchi...i tink dat one must be onli nokia one then can...

aurora97
12-01-2006, 05:10 PM
Err...should the bastards have in their minds n chances to rape students...n while they are up for that evil act...you really think...there is any chance by holding a cellphone...it could deter the bastards' evil act...?

Ahem...likewise...when a pit bull is chasing after the student...would anyone think that a cellphone could save the dear life...?...n what would the parents do...should they receive such call from their kids...telling them that a fierce dog...is chasing after them...?

Err...Orchi has 4 cellphones collecting dusts at home...could somebody be more kind to tell Orchi....how Orchi could preset or restrict call numbers...on them?

While at it...could that someone be kind also to tell Orchi how Orchi could preset the phones to receive only calls or sms from certain numbers...?

right on Orchi, but i must say "pardon the french" your using. :p Although the term of use is correctly used in your sentence, and i quote "Err...should the bXXXXXXs have in their minds n chances to rape students...n while they are up for that evil act."
we r still perhaps only human, beneath our very facade, lies our very own dreaded and filty deeds.

pcyeoh
12-01-2006, 05:24 PM
Many parents want to be able to contact their children. They also want their children to be able to contact them in case of an emergency.
I for one is against school allowing the students to bring handphones to school. The teachers will have their hands full trying to ensure that the students comply to the do's and don'ts. How many percent adults respect phone etiquette? But the danger created now is the bad hats know where to get free hand phones. Just waylaid any of the kids and then rob them of their phones. Do you want to subject your children to such danger? I am worried sick if the child decides to fight back just because he is already accustomed to his canggih phone.

As for emergency, can't you trust that the school can server them better than to entrust this faith in that little gadget? And lastly, thinking that they can communicate with their kids, it is no longer an urgency to be on time to pick up your kids. If I am late (it will become habitual as time goes by) I just only need to call my kid unlike our fathers' days that they could be expected without fail to be on the dot to turn up and pick us up. Don't use traffic jam as an excuse in your indiscipline. Teach your kid the proper values in life and keep the handphone out of the picture. If not he will become materialistic and want to keep up with the jonesses. The handphone bills will also become an issue if your kids are irresponsible and thinks that you own a money printing machine.

Teeque
12-01-2006, 05:29 PM
Haii guys...its onli a ubiquitous handphone or portable communication device. Like all technology stuffs, when used properly and appropriately, its a good thing but if abused, its bad. Its not like the kids r carrying guns to skool, like US kids... :eek:

aurora97
12-01-2006, 05:37 PM
Now we are getting somewhere, PCyeoh and Orchi presented a pretty realistic scenario and also a sound arguement. Well to my bias mind that mobiile phones are bad in school anyway, but i like how they put the matters into perspective!

achee
12-01-2006, 05:42 PM
What happened to pay phones? At my sons' school, there's enough pay phones to cater for the students. During registration last week, we, the parents, checked the phones and they were all, except for one, functioning.

The reasons why the children need to contact mom and dad while in school:-

1. I left my Science workbook, I left my bla-bla-bla.....
2. My rumah sukan has practice today,
3. I forgot to feed the guppies, the pups, etc-etc, this morning,
4. Please pick me up early today. Club meeting cancelled.
5. I badly need to go back ...... purging!!!

Those calls, more often than not, are short and very precise. Get them into the culture in having to queue (like us those ol days) to use the public phones. And the Kelab Pengguna can do their part in ensuring that good culture

Therefore, get TM to install pay phones for the convenient of the children.

Kalau bawak henfon pergi sekolah, hilang kalu, lu orang jugak bising.... betul tak?? Then start blaming the school ...... not forgetting, a new thread in our forum will ultimately emerge .... THEFT IN SCHOOL :eek:

aurora97
12-01-2006, 05:43 PM
aurora,

mebbe try relating ur posts to wat hv been written n mebbe u can see things clearer? I can see wat ur saying, just dat some things dont equate or measure up wat ur trying to say. :p No i'm not picking on u either if ur asking. :)

Abt ur 5km walk frm tuition, wouldnt matters be solved IF u had a mobile with u and contactable by ur dad? Its a convenient means even if u do not hv to go thru 'other' means like asking ard, plead others or pay for the trouble etc etc.

Aiya, ur xda canggih, dat every1 knows. If u can afford ma. Those who can onli afford my rm30 hp will buy mine ler. And there are buyers, mind u, among lower income grp. :cool:

No offence taken Teeque, no harm done, if i cannot be in a reasonable conversation or even a controversial one without rationalizing i think i would be a failure. Besides i am still learning in everyday of my life. ok back to the topic.

Indeed that mobile phone would have saved me from that 5Km walk, but than its life, sometimes you don't have the luxury of life i.e. a mobile phone. at least humanly my dad learnt a crucial lesson, don't break his promise and learnt to apologize to me. Imagine seeing your son (i am the youngest, u see), walking home at 6pm because you inadvertantly forgotten to pick him up. Coming back to one of my example, would a paper Greeting Card compared to an SMS greeting card, which would you feel more sincere?

*Sorry this post was suppose to come out earlier, or did i post it twice, forgive me if i am turning into a spammer???*

SunwayKid
12-01-2006, 06:22 PM
..............Indeed that mobile phone would have saved me from that 5Km walk, but than its life,......

Do you guys remember about the case where the dad drop his two children at a Medical Centre to visit the mother some years back. Unfortunately, the mum was already discharged, father already left the Centre and both the children, not knowing what to do, decided to walk back home, using the LDP / Kesas. Both died as a result of an accident on the highway that fateful day.

With hindsight (which is always a good thing), if they have a mobile phone, it might not only save them from a long walk but possibly their life as well!

Sometimes, children do things that we adults find strange. There could be a thousand and one reason why they didn't use the public phone e.g. no coins, can't reach the receiver (anyone seen a child height size public phone?), phone not working, afraid to seek help etc etc. Ponder on it.........would a mobile phone saved their lives?

Similarly, if your child is left stranded at school for one reason or another, teachers has gone back, you are still at work, money already spent at the canteen.......what do you expect the child to do?

Teeque
12-01-2006, 06:26 PM
aurora....ok, i see ur equating having a mobile in those days as luxury. But wat i'm saying, and a few more others also, is that the mobile now is no more a luxury and a common place accessory eg. like a watch. For safety sake and with special purpose phones, it is ok for kids as long as they adhere to regulations and also not abuse it.
Watches, like handphones, also hv high range and low end pasar malam range. What some are saying is akin to someone wearing a Rolex and risk getting his hand chopped off just because he wears one? Or that some robber hv the right to chop the guy's hand off just because he's wearing a Rolex?
macam mana? wear or not to wear....how ar? :confused:

Knight1993
12-01-2006, 09:06 PM
i,can't use those public phones coz my mother have deducted my allowance for buying me a HP....so what should i do?

a.put the phone to good use
b.just leave the phone at home and collect dust.......

and if i chose b, what will happen if i want to call home?

borrow money? most ppl in secondary school STEALS money......

aurora97
12-01-2006, 11:11 PM
Teeque, my point aint just saying mobile phones is a luxury. The list is not exhaustive there are other factors as well.

Your special purpose phone is unworkable, i dont think it will fly with the government as well. Your plan must be Logic and Realistic at the same time, you might also want to consider a REALISTIC possibility of such "special phone" coming into existence.

SunwayKid, as per your inccident i Feel that it is a very isolated event. I also understand there has been lost of life which is very tragic, but than again it is the responsibility of their parents. Mobile phone is just a small part of the solution, it doesnt play the Vital role in saving those kids life.

Also do remember, your emergency is just 1% out of the 99% (Mostly are used to talk nonsense, gossips, and whose todays hotest chick/guy).

About the canteen part stranded in school without any money, simple i would go to the office and used the office phone. Quite a norm for me, like i said in previous posting i got really ill whilst in class, i called my parents using the schools phone. If the school is so kedekut until phone also don't borrow u, tell me i will speak personally to the principal. (of coz use school property with respect don't abuse it)

Finally keep ur mind set within the context of Mobile phones at school, mobile phone outside the school i don't carelah of course.

I would like to highlight a few key point what am i emphasizing
1. Keep your issues within Mobile Phone within the school confines (cause i think i swayed abit and some followed suit)
Mobile phone once OUTside the school, i won't give a second thought.
2. Read my post and highlight the sentence you disagree upon, i've touched on many issues including Mobile Phone is a luxury. In the context of a school environment.

kwchang
13-01-2006, 12:53 AM
I know it will come to this ... if you read the whole thread again (you could if you want to flog your eyes!) you will find a bunch of people who refuse to see the arguements for character development. Perhaps no one said anything about upbringing or character development. Sometimes people need things spelt out in microscopic detail.

As I see it, the issue to my mind is not a matter of the hen-fon (I like ahchee's spelling) being a standard personal accesory. It is an arguement for character development (something all kids hate, including mine). It is like telling people to walk instead of double parking (if that analogy rings a bell). It is to teach kids not to take the value of money for granted. Cost of henfon at least RM300 plus RM30 per month for the sim card to remain activated. I wonder what are parents giving their kids as daily allowances? I would rather give them no money (except for some coins for the payphone in times of need), a bottle of water and some bisquits or sandwich for recess (much healthier). Let them push coins into the payphone so they realise how much a call really is. Let them suffer a bit so they realise that more than half the world has much less than what we usually take for granted.

Finally, for people like me who don't agree on the henfon for school kids, why shout yourself hoarse argueing the reasons why henfons should not be allowed? As parents, we make the right decision. Don't bring henfon to school, period. Even if the school allows for it. Make your house rules. Kids should be taught to follow rules. Education must begin at home.

mon
13-01-2006, 12:54 AM
Err...for the life of Orchi...is the education ministry really going ahead to permit students in primary n secondary schools...to carry cellphones...?
:rolleyes:

Orchi, do we remember how difficult it was for us to get our first handphone? It wasn't too long ago for me but one thing's for sure,
NO JOB NO HANDPHONE!!
I seriously think most kids these days are truly mesmerised by this ubiquitous gadget. We find youngsters both in and out of their uniforms with it, in the school, in tuition classes, on the bus, in shopping complexes etc...in different ringtones and melodies. Latest status symbol? Many families which are living hand to mouth cannot afford to give their children such status symbols.
We cannot deny the benefits that it has brought to us but how many kids really need a handphone.
Parents should call the school office when there's an emergency. Kids should be disciplined to inform parents on their whereabouts. If parents find difficulties in keeping track of them, sorry, but aren't they the ones at fault?

Teeque
13-01-2006, 01:00 AM
Special purpose phones not workable u say? My fren, it is already in the works and made available in some markets. Only thing is the software is patented and commercialising (read copying it) it is impossible and illegal at the moment. Unless an application is developed based on the same principle but with enhanced technology and mobility. We are working on that at the moment.

As usual, there always arguments for and against with issues like these. Always two sides to a coin. I guess you can still stop them now but not for very long IMO. The world is moving ahead with times and one of these days, when time catches up, the hen-fon will be just as common as an everyday use item. Open ur eyes, open ur minds...

mon
13-01-2006, 01:16 AM
As parents, we make the right decision. Don't bring henfon to school, period. Even if the school allows for it. Make your house rules. Kids should be taught to follow rules. Education must begin at home.

Right on Chang. If kids and parents know what they are supposed to do...99 out of a 100 kid would not get into much problems in and out of school. No need for handphones. Fullstop.

aurora97
13-01-2006, 01:21 AM
In my own personal opinion as school is defined as follows
1. Place of Education
A place where we further, develop our infant minds, this is the most basic and the core our life achievements. Like our national education policy that spells out the 3 M's(was it 3M or 3R or 3 i forgot sorry-anyway did it stand for Menulis, Membaca, Mengira) back in those days?
*correct me if i am wrong, was still running around with my underwear when NEP was introduced.

2. Racial Integration
With Chinese, Malay, Indian from all types of different culture and religion and so on the list goes. This is how we get to know each other, to respect others culture and so on. I can speak with A whose a Malay and next minute i can be speaking to B in Chinese, C in Cantose and D in Indian. Goosh tongue twister.

3. Uniformity and homogeneousness
Remember those white shirts, dirty coloured green pants, pinaform and bla bla... they may look dull to you but it is a strong signal of uniformity. No one is dress nicer than the other, you can't compare except for the looks of that hot chick or that guylah... but thats another matter. Look at colleges today, some gals wear jeans "super super super low," some guys where pants koyak here and there, earrings, tattoos and the list goes on. SO disgusting!!! Anyway thats fashionlah, so i got no comment like everyone say "time is changing". Than with fashion comes gossips, "look at Ah Mei, look how she dress yesterday, that Jeans make her look like a SLuT (pardon my french)."- I heard of such comments before, so i know. Than there's those who sit there and rate people how they dress; than those who only dress in designers, whilst in college this yuppie keep talking about branded clothings-gals stick to him like flies coz he flashes his $$.
In a school simple fact, its not a beauty contest; its not about how much your clothes are worth; simple fact your there in furtherance of your knowledge.

If you want to know how mobile phone will work out in the equation, the best is to start with Colleges. Supposedly mature students using mobile phones responsibly, as if pregnancy/prostitution in colleges isnt a problem; colleges are facing mobile phone nuisance! Discipline in colleges is out of control, ask any college lecturer or councelling teacher they know best.
Like the folks in my secondary school say
"spare the rod and spoil the child."

4th Mobile phone isn't part of the Education system, do you see its connection?

more to come.

orchipalar
13-01-2006, 01:40 AM
Err...so now parents are faced with another new challenge added by this recent freaking decision from the education ministry...amongst many existing challenges to educate the childrens...

Try telling a primary school going children...err lets just say little Orchis...that he is NOT supposed to touch or play with another classmate's punya henfon(credit to Achee:)) at school...err...most likely it won't work(temptations)...n as it happens the henfon drops on the floor or into a drain...ahem...habis liao...

Err so...the classmate cry baby accusing this or that...n when the news break...how?

Or secondly...little Orchi was the last person seen playing with the classmate's punya henfon...n as it happens the henfon went missing...

Ahem so...the classmate cry baby accusing this or that...n when the news break again...how?

Err...the ministry says...they are trying it out with the new ruling with the so called set of guidelines for now...to see how the outcome would be...:rolleyes:

Ahem...Oh please!...it would certainly destine to cause more public OUTCRIES...instead!

Err...ever since the lifting of the similar ban in the land of the free in the early 90s...the teaching professions there still asking...is cellphones a necessity or nuisance? (http://www.glencoe.com/sec/teachingtoday/educationupclose.phtml/52) ...in middle n high schools...mind you.

How about in the elementary or primary schools...?

aurora97
13-01-2006, 02:27 AM
regarding to post #31, i errorneously quoted the wrong person. I think i wanted to quote someone else, but please take note. apologies in advance

xaviers
13-01-2006, 08:59 AM
Guys look at the conditions of HP usage...

1) must be switched off durin classes....

--- ha ha ha ...even adults don't switch of during meetings, cinemas etc.. how would we expect kids to follow that ?

Knight1993
13-01-2006, 09:37 AM
juz asking,why teachers can ANSWER phones during class and yet pupils can't even BRING it to school? it just ain't playing fair......when teacher's phone rings,evrybody's eyes will be on the teacher,won't this make the pupils lose concentration?

SunwayKid
13-01-2006, 09:38 AM
.......... Also do remember, your emergency is just 1% out of the 99% .......

If that 1% can save a child's life, I would say give them the mobile phone. A child's life is more precious than whatever arguments you can put forward.

As for the school office, how often do you find it open after classes end for the afternoon session?

Anyhow, looks like the decision is final and the other alternative is not to give your child one.
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/13/nation/13099806&sec=nation

orchipalar
13-01-2006, 09:40 AM
Err...Orchi wouldn't be a bit surprised...should certain parents were to ask the education ministry to issue lockers for students to keep their private belongings in the schools...real soon.:rolleyes:

That would be another great news for the locker makers...no?

In yesterday's news...a certain principal of a school would even suggest to have each student cellphone be registered with the school...i.e: to keep track of the freaking cellphones that students bring to school...such as knowing which phone belongs to whom...n details like cellphone models...serial numbers...phone nos. etc etc.

Ahem...all this the principal says...is for the freaking sakes of convenience...:rolleyes:

Err...Orchi hopes the principal stays around here...or visits this webforum...n perhaps he could supply us with more of his better ideas over the issues...

Btw...is there any school teachers amongst the forumers...who could offer some advice also?

JackRyan1975
13-01-2006, 09:43 AM
We have the various arguments for and against mobile phones in schools, both with very valid points.

Let's try to look at the bigger picture. Assuming the Ministry goes ahead with the move, it is just another implementation which needs it's corresponding controls.

Example:

1) Latecomers. We have prefects and teachers to handle the problem. There is a control mechanism to discipline habitual latecomers.

2) Calculators (not during my time though). We implemented this, but still there is a need to monitor that no unauthorised calculators (with text features) are used. Again, there is a control element in the form of supervision here.

3) Handphone. IF this goes ahead, we can use (1) above as a control measure. E.g. one handphone ring (or is whipped out from the bag), whole class is punished. That student would be ostracized and would surely submit to peer pressure, if not the authorities. Just one example.

Why, the school is a place to teach discipline. What better way to ingrain telephone etiquette while they're still young, to eradicate irresponsible adult usage nowadays in cinemas etc.

Melentur aur biar dari rebung.

Just my views. I don't have schooling-aged kids to feel strongly about this issue as yet.

mon
13-01-2006, 10:02 AM
...even adults don't switch of during meetings, cinemas etc.. how would we expect kids to follow that ?

Those are the minority of "adults". By the way, kids don't emulate their parents. They emulate each other. Friend has handphone? Let's get one too. Period.

Be stern and upfront with your kids about what kind of behavior you do and don't like. Also, keep it short and straight to the point; the idea is to teach and discipline them! Don't like? their business. Kids can't be compared to adults. Ya, if we can't even set good examples then there's nothing much to say, is there.

Fyi, my friends and I switch off our phones during classes, meetings, cinemas etc..
It's not that difficult a thing to do, Comes with practice :D

idolfan
13-01-2006, 10:03 AM
If a parent runs out tomorrow to buy a hp for her child should he come home and ask for a hp coz the kid sitting next to him has a phone , its her choice leh..

Whether there is a ban in schools or not, its up to the parents to bring up their children in the way they see fit. If they feel their child is mature enough to use the hp properly and not lose it then they should be able to do so.

Don't blame the ministry for lifting the ban.. whether the ruling is silly or not , it finally comes down to parents to decide whether they buy a hp for their child and whether they allow their child to bring it to school.

If the childs' hp gets confiscated for misuse then he has to live with the consequences. The way I see it, the parents who are not in agreement with the latest ruling are those who don't want to make the decision of allowing their child to carry a hp. Teachers are not in agreement bcoz they are the ones who have to enforce the guidelines.

End of the day, parents are the ones who have the task of raising their children.

idolfan
13-01-2006, 10:12 AM
Maybe school principals can come up with fundraising scheme where kids who misuse the hp, would have to make a pledge ( fine ? donation ? ) to the school building fund.
If parents don't sign the agreement then the kids would not be allowed to carry hps in school.

mon
13-01-2006, 10:17 AM
Err...Orchi wouldn't be a bit surprised...should certain parents were to ask the education ministry to issue lockers for students to keep their private belongings in the schools...real soon.:rolleyes:


Lockers now?? (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=106538&postcount=15)

Do I see more problems now..the link is by Void who shared his views on personal lockers in the gym. And how easy for any kinda lockers to be tampered with, even personal ones with "bring your own locks".

idolfan
13-01-2006, 10:55 AM
Maybe school principals can come up with fundraising scheme where kids who misuse the hp, would have to make a pledge ( fine ? donation ? ) to the school building fund.
If parents don't sign the agreement then the kids would not be allowed to carry hps in school.


Better still, have parents place a deposit ( RM100/- or RM1000/- ) which will be forfeited should the child flout any of the rules .

CoryFan
13-01-2006, 10:58 AM
Coming back to one of my example, would a paper Greeting Card compared to an SMS greeting card, which would you feel more sincere?

Sincere is from the heart, not from the action....




juz asking,why teachers can ANSWER phones during class and yet pupils can't even BRING it to school? it just ain't playing fair......when teacher's phone rings,evrybody's eyes will be on the teacher,won't this make the pupils lose concentration?

The teachers are not suppose to have their phone on at the first place, if you knew of this, please report to the principle or the ministry...

shali
13-01-2006, 01:22 PM
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Finally, for people like me who don't agree on the henfon for school kids, why shout yourself hoarse argueing the reasons why henfons should not be allowed? As parents, we make the right decision. Don't bring henfon to school, period. Even if the school allows for it. Make your house rules. Kids


You know Kwchang...it's so difficult sometimes to drive home that really simple point you made above. That point, in law, is like a mate move in Chess. It called "unarguable'.

aurora97
13-01-2006, 01:30 PM
juz asking,why teachers can ANSWER phones during class and yet pupils can't even BRING it to school? it just ain't playing fair......when teacher's phone rings,evrybody's eyes will be on the teacher,won't this make the pupils lose concentration?

Lecturers having mobile phones going of during classes is kind of rare druing my primary, education, even tertiary (A lvl), College and University. But for the course i am doing now, the lecturers mobile does go off but he doesn't answer. For the people at the background (students) however, you can hear phones going off every 45 min. Although we are given the privilege of answering our mobile, i think from my point of view in my isolated event i.e. "college" there still alot of interuptions caused by mobiles.


Cory Fan Quote
"Sincere is from the heart, not from the action...."

*Slaps head* Please read the whole entire postlah, don't correct the one you don't like and tell me reasoning. It's not the point, i was just giving an example CoryFan. (the giving Sms or Papaer greeting card thing)

IdolFan
"have parents place a deposit ( RM100/- or RM1000/- ) "
When most Malaysian people are talking about saving up, wah still got money to put deposit? You sure you want a school to be responsible for your money, than you would have other issues that would tag along. It's like a domino effect. I will give you some examples: "eh my deposit keep in school i get no interest, or where my interest go???," The poorer parents will complaint have to fork out more money, i thought this was GOV school??? (and the issues goes on)

Again the issue we come back to is, whats is the purpose of a school?


1. Lockers have never been a good idea, for example "aiyah 2molo got science class, history, Math, bla bla ..., lets just leave the books here, heavylah bringing themm all back home." - School budgets are very limited, good quality lockers is a must but it comes with a price short term expensive cost.

Talking about money, even in my own apartment people are complaning about paying Maintainance Bill. We had a 3 sen hike quite high, top with 1 sen sinking fund. Somemore this people don't come for the Community Meeting 10 people the most(very common in most apartment), they won't even fork out extra money when their apartment is running at 200K deficit. Worse still refuse to use the car park provided (either didn't pay maintainance bill or they have an extra car but they choose to park outside (per month for extra car park is Rm 30), Rm 30 would have ensure the security of their car and yet they complain TOO EXPENSIVE!
Conclusion drawn from the above, apartments are besides the pointlah please don't quote and tell me why you talking about apartment, and there are MAnny more examples to this!! *slaps head + bang head on table* Point is Malaysian won't fork out a single dime, if it isnt free.

Quote SunwayKid
"If that 1% can save a child's life, I would say give them the mobile phone. A child's life is more precious than whatever arguments you can put forward.

As for the school office, how often do you find it open after classes end for the afternoon session?

Anyhow, looks like the decision is final and the other alternative is not to give your child one."

Now here it gets abit tricky, the responsibility whilst outside the school is responsibility of the parent. Whilst in school, haven't you notice the school will try and make sure students are safe and sound (notice why is there fences and security guards, prefect, guru disipline and etc...). Again your arguement is very restricted to one of my point, i have mentioned many others do you agree with them all? Yes indeed that 1% can save a childs life, but does that child always 7/24/365 is in danger of get herself killed, kidnapped, murdered, raped, and etc? Like i think it was Orchi, in the midst of being chaced by a dog, you call your parents to come and save you?

Ah yes the Malaysian Guildeline to using mobile phone in school, someday you will find what i am saying is very true.. Malaysians are known habitual law brakers, first time when i law comes into power; police or in the case of schools they enforce it DAMN strict until your nuts also shrink (pardon the french); second time you and me know what happenlah you will have statements like "his doing it why can't I?," than a repetition of the squatting gate Saga, this time repeated in girls toilet in a school. I remember whilst in college some girl took naked pictures of herself, someone got hold of it and distributed it. LOL! FREE porn. But i am no pervert i swear friend showed it to me! :D

On another note, Guildeline is no law which is a big difference. Guildelinemah wan to follow up to meloh, you intepret how the guildeline works best for you! Without threat of serious punishment, this guildeline might as well not be there. Just like speeding remember, heavier penalties yet everyone goes on speeding?

Again i suggest anyone whose disagreeing with my comments, read the whole chunk before coming to a conclusion. Otherwise i will have to re-explain, it's like a duck talking to a chicken or most of the time we are not on the same page.

SunwayKid
13-01-2006, 02:38 PM
...................... Whilst in school, haven't you notice the school will try and make sure students are safe and sound (notice why is there fences and security guards, prefect, guru disipline and etc...). Again your arguement is very restricted to one of my point, i have mentioned many others do you agree with them all? Yes indeed that 1% can save a childs life, but does that child always 7/24/365 is in danger of get herself killed, kidnapped, murdered, raped, and etc? ............

One shouldn't be so naive to think that prefect, guru discipline etc etc would come to your child's aid in the event of any potential danger. How many times have one read of incidents in school .........one that I recall was that car that plunged into the kids....where was the guard, the fence, guru discipline etc etc...

In the society that we live in now, it is always better to be safe than sorry. Glad you agreed that 1% can safe a child's life.

As for the statement that Malaysians are habitual law breakers, I hope you are speaking for yourself and do not generalise the entire population. :D

Jose Mourinho
13-01-2006, 03:06 PM
Otherwise i will have to re-explain, it's like a duck talking to a chicken or most of the time we are not on the same page.

:) For once, you got it dead right. I have a question though. Who is the duck and who is the chick (I mean, chicken)?

aurora97
13-01-2006, 04:30 PM
One shouldn't be so naive to think that prefect, guru discipline etc etc would come to your child's aid in the event of any potential danger. How many times have one read of incidents in school .........one that I recall was that car that plunged into the kids....where was the guard, the fence, guru discipline etc etc...

In the society that we live in now, it is always better to be safe than sorry. Glad you agreed that 1% can safe a child's life.

As for the statement that Malaysians are habitual law breakers, I hope you are speaking for yourself and do not generalise the entire population. :D

Again... think of it, does the world have to be responsible for your actions? To a certain extent yes, for example schools have an obligation to make the school a safe premises and put in necessary safety meassures to ensure that students are safe. However, the degree of care required of a school is only "REASONABLE." We cannot predict nor forsee every possibilty, for example 911 an aeroplance crashing into the twin towers. WELL since all tall buildings are in danger of being crashed in to by terrorist flying planes, why not we demolish the Petronas Twin Tower.

Another Law Theory:
"A" is a bystander, while "B" a child is drowning in a lake. A is an MAYBE an expert swimmer, possibly a policeman, or any other profession you can think of. (Responsibility might vary) Do you think "A" has a responsibility to safe "B" from drowning? Let you decide.

-The answer is simple, there is only a moral obligation to do so. A legal obligation doesn't exist at all (unless policeman probably burden would be different).

To tell you the truth this is a very individualistic world, your living in a very naive situation snap out of it. And like wise your not addressing the whole issue, but rather attacking one of my many comments. I am using my example AS ILLUSTRATIONS not actual scenario's, i don't expect prefects who will run to the rescue. BEsideds i am talking about mobile phone in school.

aurora97
13-01-2006, 04:34 PM
:) For once, you got it dead right. I have a question though. Who is the duck and who is the chick (I mean, chicken)?

Please for god's sake, if you got nothing to contribute to the forum just sit down quietlylah. I just want some opinion, to correct my views only. Any opinion can lean both ways, if its wrong than i apologize and i will step down from my stance.

If i offended you in anyway, i apologize but otherwise just play along and lets be friends. If i am wrong point it out, don't imply or hint it to me, i am not as smart/intelligent.

I appreciate Sunwaykid's explanation, i think i got a bit of my examples wrong maybe somewhere along the line. Yet we have to reason and meat out the problem, so we learn from mistake

SunwayKid
13-01-2006, 04:40 PM
Aurora97, to avoid the path that both qbuster and jose chose, all I would say is that you have your point of view, I have mine. Cheers. :)

aurora97
13-01-2006, 04:44 PM
Aurora97, to avoid the path that both qbuster and jose chose, all I would say is that you have your point of view, I have mine. Cheers. :)

Your views are respect and ur entitled to them, my learned forum friend.

Cheers and Salutes!

*reaches out with an olive branch, with white pigeons flying out of the cage."

orchipalar
13-01-2006, 06:39 PM
juz asking,why teachers can ANSWER phones during class and yet pupils can't even BRING it to school? it just ain't playing fair......when teacher's phone rings,evrybody's eyes will be on the teacher,won't this make the pupils lose concentration?Err...the teachers are generally more capable to differentiate between what's important n what's not...n if he or she chooses to ANSWER the calls...ahem...chances are the calls were important...

A concerned parent may be calling the teacher in emergency cases...or the call is an official one...

orchipalar
13-01-2006, 06:49 PM
You know Kwchang...it's so difficult sometimes to drive home that really simple point you made above. That point, in law, is like a mate move in Chess. It called "unarguable'.Err...dear Shali:)...when Orchi feels...you could be in position to assist Orchi n those whom may be as dump as Orchi...with some of Orchi's earlier questions about presetting of cellphones...you have NOT responded as yet...

Ahem...sorry to digress but since you brought out the matter relating to the law or in this case the new ruling by the education ministry?...you may want to recall about the late M. Moorthy's case recently...

Err...the law is weak...as a legal adviser...would you challenge it?...check? :)

shali
14-01-2006, 12:12 AM
Firstly, you can preset certain handphones for selected inbound or outbound numbers and lock it- check individual user manuals. BTW, you can drive your girlfriend nuts if you do this :D

Secondly. Moorthy's case is way out of this thread, but I respectfully differ from the Judge. Mind you, an appeal to the Federal Court is pending...and if you do have time, make the effort to visit the world's most prestigious supreme court, "The Palace of Justice" - an imposing structure in the heart of Putrajaya. Don't just be there when the judgment is read. Go there and listen to counsels arguments.

orchipalar
14-01-2006, 12:21 AM
Firstly, you can preset certain handphones for selected inbound or outbound numbers and lock it- check individual user manuals.

Secondly. Moorthy's case is way out of this thread, but I respectfully differ from the Judge. Mind you, an appeal to the Federal Court is pending...and if you do have time, make the effort to visit the world's most prestigious supreme court, "The Palace of Justice" - an imposing structure in the heart of Putrajaya. Don't just be there when the judgment is read. Go there and listen to counsels arguments.Err...dear Shali:)...does one need to register call barring with telcos...would the existing telcos provide such service?

Firstly...what would you do...should your kid decides to replace the sim cards...n whack like there is no tomorrow on your allowance money or borrowed money or borrowed henfon from fellow students...of which you may have preprogrammed the settings...err...assuming again here that the telcos are up for it to begin with...

Secondly...ahem...Orchi believes 6 out of 10 henfon(credit to Achee)...are prepaid...could the same proposal by you be applicable...?

Thirdly...Orchi could be wrong here...but 9 out of 10 folks(maybe they are wrong or as naive as Orchi too) whom Orchi had referred to...said presetting older phones may NOT be possible...err...even the news ones would have problems?...with telcos?

Btw...the aircond chillers up on the domes of the palace of justice n many of the other departmental buildings...including the ones above the syariah court...were erected with Orchi's punya co. equipment n manhours...err...so Orchi knows which is which in Putrajaya...but that is besides Orchi punya earlier point...

When the new ruling by the education ministry is weak...can we as parents or students or teachers...protest or debate over it to find better suggestions or solutions? :)

shali
14-01-2006, 12:46 AM
Anything that is software powered in a device can be set and locked, independently of telcos. It's inside the phone itself. Older hp will not have this option. I cannot tell off hand how to do this for differnet types of hp.

It's good to hear you were involved during the construction process of the new supreme court building in Putrajaya. I first appeared before the old sultan abdul samad building federal court, when i was 23 years old :rolleyes:

orchipalar
14-01-2006, 12:58 AM
Anything that is software powered in a device can be set and locked, independently of telcos. It's inside the phone itself. Older hp will not have this option. I cannot tell off hand how to do this for differnet types of hp.

It's good to hear you were involved during the construction process of the new supreme court building in Putrajaya. I first appeared before the old sultan abdul samad building federal court, when i was 23 years old :rolleyes:Err...arguably...the feature of call divert itself would have to be activated with extra charges by telcos...Orchi believed so coz tried it...

n btw on the matter of the kids outwitting their parents by swapping sim cards...thanks to a fellow forumer who has this to suggest last night...perhaps ya may need it...he says...stick your original sim card down securely with glue...go figure fren...what many sorta problems which may arise from allowing students to bring henfon(credit to Achee) to schools...

Err...it may not affect you a bit(23yo first appearance in the old courhouse of sultan abdul samad would see you thru successfully by now indeed...err...Orchi means financially that is)...but be fair to the other parents or their point of views n deep concerns on this matter...

Ahem...people say talk is easy n mostly very cheap hor...when one has got it made...but Orchi for one would NOT like to say it...to anyone for the matter...to begin with:rolleyes:

P/S: Psssst...if it means anything at all...Orchi was used to pedalling a bycycle laden with 16mm films from the then Filem Negara's store by the side of Jalan Tun Perak opposite Dunhill punya showroom...n passing that courthouse too... by the age of 12... :rolleyes:

jand
14-01-2006, 01:17 AM
Dear all,

I'd like to define this as according to how I view this.

It is:
1) Children can bring mobile phones to school?
2) Parents have to decide whether to allow their children to have mobile phones in school?
3) Proper usage of mobile phones in school?

In fact, I believe what the ministry did was downright brilliant. For once, the choice is avaiable to parents and suddenly, people are actually arguing about this! It is a choice, not a compulsion for all to have it and they've set general guidelines on etiquette.

If it all comes down to teaching proper values to children and also disciplining them and bringing them up and responsible adults, so we lay down the house rules.

A. You do not need to use a mobile phone during schooling hours.
B. You may only bring el-cheapo aka. basic mobile phone to school (Nokia 3210?) and that only on certain days (extra-curricular days?).
C. You must use a supplementary line so I can monitor your outgoing calls. (You can't stop children from using their saved pocket money to spend on things they want).
D. I acknowledge mobile phones as an accessory, a tool of convenience.
E. You abuse it, you lose it. You lose it, you suffer the consequences like losing your wallet, housekeys, etc.

Simple, basic rules for the children and the parents. If the child in question is a major well, that's a different thing altogether but that's out of the topic. We are talking about minors here.

So ladies and gentlemen, my respected neighbours, this is an issue on choice, not about who is right or wrong or what is or should be. Just simple pros and cons on approaches and methods.
There's a reason why it's called child rearing.

Have I insulted anybody's mind barrier yet? ;)

shali
14-01-2006, 01:46 AM
So ladies and gentlemen, my respected neighbours, this is an issue on choice...

That's precisely what Kwchang said earlier, and I coudn't agree more.

In the year 3080 when schools may allow children to carry knives to schools, it's still up to parents to decide. Drastic? Yes, but it helps to explain.

It's all about choices. MoE has given that free choice to us as parents whether to allow our kids carry hp in their bags or not. If you don't agree, please dont give hp to your kids :)

Teeque
14-01-2006, 02:43 AM
Year 3080? Knives? My my shali, ur way outdated...lol.

Consider this scenario in the year 3080 between 2 kids:

Child A: Dont come near me! I hv a knife!

Child B: Huh? Knife? What's that?

A: Its a 20th century tool which can cut objects or stab someone with. Very sharp!

B: Hahaha! With the movement of my eyes, I can kill you before you can even come near me! I've mastered the Mind Power*, secretly ofcos, without my parents knowing. Try it if u dare...

* Mind Power is a mind manipulation technique which is only available to adults who subscribe to it and certain laws governed the use of it legally and only for usage to help or assist society. Much like the Jedis of Star Wars fame. Children are banned frm this technique. :cool:

pcyeoh
14-01-2006, 09:32 AM
So ladies and gentlemen, my respected neighbours, this is an issue on choice, not about who is right or wrong or what is or should be. Just simple pros and cons on approaches and methods.
There's a reason why it's called child rearing.

Have I insulted anybody's mind barrier yet? ;)
I am against students being allowed to bring handphone to school. Yes, I agree that this an issue of choice. So can I in the same vein say that smoking is as a matter of choice. Here, i don't mean smoking in school. One has a choice to light up a cigarrete but tell me can he do that anywhere he likes. So they introduce segration - smoking and non smoking to cater for those who dont smoke or hate smoking. I would like to see the school does that as well - handphone school and non handphone school so that I get to chose which school I want my kids to go to. I definitely would not want them in the company of children with handphone as I can fore see numerous problems cropping up. The children instead of playing with one another like we used to do will now gather under the tree playing with their handphones. The forgetful ones will disrupt lessons when their phones ring. There will be touting and teasing around on whose handphone is more canggih and there will be poor children who don't have enough money to buy food in the canteen now sitting in the far distance looking sad and distant. Schools have been functioning for years without this thing why now it is something even your kids can't leave home without it?

jand
14-01-2006, 10:34 AM
just wondering, how do parents handle issues regarding their school going children's hairstyle, shoes, designer eyeglasses, designer watches, etc?

Lexus
14-01-2006, 11:07 AM
If handphones is legal in the school, then I do not see the point of why laptop is illegal in school now.

ksj_cool
14-01-2006, 11:10 AM
Soon we are going to see parents trying to talk to the teachers by asking their children to pass the line to the teacher. If the teacher dosen't oblige then they will complain to the principal etc etc.

Then there will some parents asking why teachers and the principals don't carry hps or not giving their hp number to parents so that they can clear doubts or enquire about their children. So the demands of parents will be endless.

The spread of phonography, blackmailing thru the telephone, smearing campaigns etc etc will be on the rise.

Should a student do something with the hp which is against the law and if the hp is registered in the parent's name, who faces the law?

shali
14-01-2006, 12:53 PM
Should a student do something with the hp which is against the law and if the hp is registered in the parent's name, who faces the law?

Students spend 6 HOURS in Schools and 18 HOURS at home with their parents. Do i need to say more?

orchipalar
14-01-2006, 01:10 PM
Students spend 6 HOURS in Schools and 18 HOURS at home with their parents. Do i need to say more?Err...dear Shali:)...kindly explain what you mean here...ahem...please consider...there are more average readers than professionals reading in this forum...err...even Orchi finds it difficult to understand what you just said there...in your response to Ksj_cool...:)

Lexus
14-01-2006, 02:13 PM
aurora,
Firstly, is owning a handphone considered to be a plaything for the rich? Can owning a handphone divide us frm rich and poor?

Yes it do, not to mentioned about handphones, even pen will do.


since i'm a form 1 student myself,i don't see the problem of bringing handphones to school,after beeing in my school,i find it rather hard to reach the phone since its at the second floor,and nobody is allowed to go to the second floor before/after school and during recess.....so that means the only thing that we can use to communicate with our parents or other ppl is via the HPs......and i heard that virus that transmit via saliva will have a chance to attack us........

thats what i think larr.......

Everything have their advantages and disadvantages. Now second floor isnt hard to reach, and even if you have emergency purpose to contact your parents, be brave and speak to one of the prefects or teachers in charge.


i am for it, times have changed, in the olden days, there was no such facilities, nowadays it is different, we hv to move with time. communication mode have changed.
it is quite impossible to find anyone without a handphone nowadays, it is already a part of our daily accessories.
i am supporting this move..........

I disagree with your statement that it is quite impossible to find anyone without a handphone nowadays. Although question arises on the public phones ability in Malaysia, the school authority should get more public phones around their school compound. Getting handphone isnt neccessary from the way I see the way students used. As parents claimed to track down their children, should they implement a special chip on their children body to track them down in the near future too?


People...think of the other side of the box...

What if the kid missed the school bus and he/she need to contact his/her parents. Looking for a public phone??? If you even use public phone in Malaysia, you will certainly know that most of them doesn't works....

What if the kid are walking home from school and chase by a dog or even injured by a dog... Do your kid usually have a "contact list" hanged on his neck/in his bag/in the school bag??? How anyone should call u - the parents

What if when the kid have any emergency outside of school... again, looking for a public phone???

That is why after the british bombing, the authority have suggest all user of mobile enter a ICE ( in case of emergency) number in their mobile....

I guess it is a matter how you teach your kid to use the cellphone... Or limit their use by locking their phone to certain number...

Think Think Think before Talk Talk Talk....

It has became a habit for Malaysians to be lazy to walk just a few meters. If you miss a school bus, return straight to your school compound and alternatively search for office phone to call your parents.

If you understand dog's mentality, they will not chase anyone unless you started it first. Take any route which seems to be crowded. That's what my son do to catch public bus if he miss the school bus.

The term "hacking" has reach the mind of the children and even if you do so by locking your children's handphone, they will find any alternative method to unlock it such as downloading patches.

SunwayKid
14-01-2006, 03:08 PM
................I disagree with your statement that it is quite impossible to find anyone without a handphone nowadays.

It has became a habit for Malaysians to be lazy to walk just a few meters. If you miss a school bus, return straight to your school compound and alternatively search for office phone to call yo
ur parents.

If you understand dog's mentality, they will not chase anyone unless you started it first............
That's what my son do to catch public bus if he miss the school bus.....

The term "hacking" has reach the mind of the children and even if you do so by locking your children's handphone, they will find any alternative method to unlock it such as downloading patches.

If the statistics done by the Multimedia commission is to be believed, http://www.cmcf.org.my/HTML/cmcf_industry_watch_11.asp, there are currently more than 12 million handphone users, more than half of Malaysian population. Give and take a few thousand those with multiple phones, and ignoring the children (33%, aged 0-14, http://www.statistics.gov.my/english/census/pressdemo.htm and the aged who don't know how to use, these statistics will confirm both gtl and Teeque statement that almost everyone, rich or poor, own a handphone and it is no longer a luxury. And if you have published facts to disagree with this, please provide!

On missing the bus, what will going back to the school compound do for the child and as I have said before, how many school office remain open after the evening session end? And for the children who has never taken a public bus before or without the money to pay for it, what then?

Slightly out of topic but in response to the comments made on CoryFan statement,

On dog's mentality, are you saying that all those children who reportedly got mauled and the mothers who got chased actually started it and deserved what they got?! And why didn't the dog that was shown in the paper right in our neighbourhood - starved, treated inhumanely and eventually put to sleep, teach that owner of his a lesson or two, since it is the owner who started illtreating him?

And on hacking, just because one can buy a few CDs on hacking, do you think it is that easy? If you can hacked into my pdaphone which has been security locked by downloading a few patches, you can have it with my compliments........after all, that is where all my secrets are kept hidden from my partner and it would be useless if it is true! :D

Jose Mourinho
14-01-2006, 03:37 PM
Students spend 6 HOURS in Schools and 18 HOURS at home with their parents. Do i need to say more?

Yes. You are right. And we seem to lump everything on the school and its system. I would not use the word 'education' but the word 'learning'. Learning begins in the home. It has always been, it is now and it will be in the future. Amen.

:)

mon
14-01-2006, 04:13 PM
Learning begins in the home. It has always been, it is now and it will be in the future. Amen.



This, I've always agreed. Amen to that too.

As parents, (I'm not, yet) I believe we're in the best position to help shape our children by helping them to learn what shaped the world into which they were born into. Eating bread is one thing, knowing how the bread is made is another.
As we're in this thread on whether handphones should be allowed to schools, let me not deviate and say, our attitude change our children's point of views. Let's say your child comes home asking for a handphone, if we tell them sincerely, WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE IT ALL...be more responsible, walk that extra mile to the payphone, don't get into trouble etc...(16 hours a day as Shali has implied, with your kids should be sufficient enough for good talks) then..why shouldn't they get it??
I'm not here to say no matter what, do not give your child a handphone.

All I'm trying to say is, like it or not, agree or not, it is NOT A NECESSITY.

ksj_cool
14-01-2006, 06:10 PM
Shali, do parents in KL spend 16 hrs with their kids??? I think working parents seem to spend less than 4 hrs wiht their kid everyday!!! Anyway as orchi wrote, i too simply can't understand yr point!!! pls elaborate..

Lexus
14-01-2006, 06:21 PM
If the statistics done by the Multimedia commission is to be believed, http://www.cmcf.org.my/HTML/cmcf_industry_watch_11.asp, there are currently more than 12 million handphone users, more than half of Malaysian population. Give and take a few thousand those with multiple phones, and ignoring the children (33%, aged 0-14, http://www.statistics.gov.my/english/census/pressdemo.htm and the aged who don't know how to use, these statistics will confirm both gtl and Teeque statement that almost everyone, rich or poor, own a handphone and it is no longer a luxury. And if you have published facts to disagree with this, please provide!

Firstly, read my previous post. I'm stating owning a handphone in school can divide us from rich and poor. Not about "handphones is no longer luxury". However if you think owning a handphone cannot divide us from rich and poor, take a time travel and ask those teenagers waiting outside Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan especially bumiputras, "what do you think of those students owning handphones?"

In the modern world today, telephones is no longer luxury for those who can afford them, but it is still luxury for those who cannot afford them.


On missing the bus, what will going back to the school compound do for the child and as I have said before, how many school office remain open after the evening session end? And for the children who has never taken a public bus before or without the money to pay for it, what then?

On missing school bus, go back to the school compound and borrow the school office's telephone. School office remained opened untill 8pm. For those who has never take public bus before, that would be a great experience for them to learn how to take public bus so that they will not depends on dad or mom or schoolbus to fetch them home in case they miss the bus again.


On dog's mentality, are you saying that all those children who reportedly got mauled and the mothers who got chased actually started it and deserved what they got?! And why didn't the dog that was shown in the paper right in our neighbourhood - starved, treated inhumanely and eventually put to sleep, teach that owner of his a lesson or two, since it is the owner who started illtreating him?

Straight to the point, if you do not disturb them, then you might get less chance of being attacked. I did not said they deserved what they got. Ask them to travel in a crowded place or go in group next time. Now you dont tell me that everyone in a school is taking school bus, will you?


And on hacking, just because one can buy a few CDs on hacking, do you think it is that easy? If you can hacked into my pdaphone which has been security locked by downloading a few patches, you can have it with my compliments........after all, that is where all my secrets are kept hidden from my partner and it would be useless if it is true! :D

There exist the word "trojan" and "virus" in computers today. If I manage to get computer logon password just by inserting a password recovery diskette, why not handphone?

By the way, around 5.45 pm to 6.15 pm, anyone heard 988 FM announced that handphones will stay banned in school no matter what? Anyone can confirm this?

SunwayKid
14-01-2006, 07:02 PM
..................... I'm stating owning a handphone in school can divide us from rich and poor.....

How to divide rich and poor when statistics has shown that almost all bolehlanders own a handphone?!



..................... . School office remained opened untill 8pm.....learn how to take public bus so that they will not depends on dad or mom or schoolbus to fetch them home in case they miss the bus again......

Can you please provide an example of a school whose office opens until 8 pm? Reason being, I would like to send my kid eventually to that school. And hoepfully, our public transport system has improved enough to ensure a kid can take it straight to their front gates, without any money.



..................... Straight to the point, if you do not disturb them, then you might get less chance of being attacked. .... Now you dont tell me that everyone in a school is taking school bus, will you?......

Your original statement was
..................... If you understand dog's mentality, they will not chase anyone unless you started it first....... Now you are saying that there is less chance and uncle and aunties, when they go for a walk, and when children coming home, make sure you reach your home as a group and be the first, the last one......you are on your own with the dogs! :p



..................... There exist the word "trojan" and "virus" in computers today. If I manage to get computer logon password just by inserting a password recovery diskette, why not handphone?...

There also exists the word firewalls and security software as well. Have you heard of 128bit encryption and why there are many internet banking customers? The offer I made for my phone extend to my PC as well, if you feel you can insert a password recovery diskette and access my PC, please try and the PC is yours! :D

Hopefully, chang-san would not see these as out of topic but rather issues that are raised relating to the pros and cons on cellphones in school.And no, I did not hear the announcement but there are calls from various quarters to review the decision and either way, it would not affect me for now as I don't have a kid in school. Cheers! :)

Lexus
14-01-2006, 08:15 PM
How to divide rich and poor when statistics has shown that almost all bolehlanders own a handphone?!

That's a very good question. If you notice that, almost half of the bolehlanders own a handphone, taking condition of some might own multiply of handphones, we'll reduce the chances of it to 40%. Now each and every adult own a handphone, so let's reduce it to 20%. There are millions of schoolchildren going to school each year, and out of a million, only 200,000 own a handphone, and most of them are situated in the middle of city's school. As what I said, for those who can afford handphone, it will not be a luxury to them but for those who can't, it is.

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Can you please provide an example of a school whose office opens until 8 pm? Reason being, I would like to send my kid eventually to that school. And hoepfully, our public transport system has improved enough to ensure a kid can take it straight to their front gates, without any money.

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Your original statement was Now you are saying that there is less chance and uncle and aunties, when they go for a walk, and when children coming home, make sure you reach your home as a group and be the first, the last one......you are on your own with the dogs! :p

Even if the bus does not stop in front of your house, there will still be some people out there in the neighbourhood, now unless you're talking about haunted neighbourhood.


There also exists the word firewalls and security software as well. Have you heard of 128bit encryption and why there are many internet banking customers? The offer I made for my phone extend to my PC as well, if you feel you can insert a password recovery diskette and access my PC, please try and the PC is yours! :D


Although this is an offtopic post, remind you that nothing is impossible. Even frames programming can crack tmnet's xfire, not to mention about firewall, unless you do have a very strong firewall.

No offense towards the original poster :D

shali
14-01-2006, 09:16 PM
Shali, do parents in KL spend 16 hrs with their kids??? I think working parents seem to spend less than 4 hrs wiht their kid everyday!!! Anyway as orchi wrote, i too simply can't understand yr point!!! pls elaborate..

Of course I can. I was responding to this statement by you Ksj_cool :
"Should a student do something with the hp which is against the law and if the hp is registered in the parent's name, who faces the law?"

I then replied:

Students spend 6 HOURS in Schools and 18 HOURS at home with their parents. Do i need to say more?

You see, your views that a student can do cheeky things in schools (if school allows hp) is based on a fallacious premise that students can only indulge in that activity in SCHOOLS ONLY. But the fact is students, our kids, spend only about 6 hours in schools. The rest 18 hours will be spent at home. (Some even went to the extent of inviting arguments - "but then we parents dont have that much time with our kids-- 4 hours only lo - what the .."). (BTW Our kids nevertheless are within our moral and legal control and custody, no matter where they are).

So the point is - a lot more cheeky activities can occur in that 18 hours, rather than the 6 hours in Schools. One does not really need to be in schools to exchange MMS or SMS or 3G videos.

But let's be clear about the new Rules:

!. the use of hp by students shall only be allowed before and after school sessions, during recess and after school ends;

2. all hp must be switched off during classes, or during co-curriculum

3. hp can be used only in canteens, and school lobbys - not in classes

4. hp can be seized if students breach the above rules

5. that students should be aware of the danger of [handphone] theft.

Again, after reading the above, it is UP TO PARENTS to decide whether to permit their children to carry hp to schools. Some will allow, some will not. CHOICES!
:eek:

Hans Solo
14-01-2006, 11:05 PM
I can think of more positives than negatives for students to carry handphones. The risk of poorer kids feeling left out because they don't have one or cannot afford one is unfounded. We all know richer kids will always have more pocket money, more expensive school shoes, imported school bags, better material school uniforms, chauffered driven to school. It is right before our own eyes, so what all the fuss now ? Like anything else, the teachers need to exercise control and lay down guidelines in the use of handphones in school. I think its vital and it is a technology that us to keep in touch or track our loved ones when they are not near us. I support it 100%. My wife and my 2 kids carry their phones with them whenever they leave the house. When I travel, local or abroad, I am just a click away from them, they always have the comfort that I am always contactable. ;)

Jose Mourinho
14-01-2006, 11:22 PM
Hans Solo. I agree with your words of wisdom. Time is moving on. Ten years from now, children may be 'driving' motorised scooters to schools and twenty years from now, 'richer' children may be able to be excused from schools and study from lofty mansions via all the modern communication tools while the not-so-rich children will still have to wait for school buses and walk to schools. There will always be a gap (and it is getting wider) between the rich and the not-so-rich and thus the issue here is about the advantages and disadvantages of cellphones if allowed in schools for young children. We cannot be Adam Smith and work out theories and try to cure economic woes and inbalance of wealth distribution at the school gates in USJ or SJ.

orchipalar
15-01-2006, 12:43 AM
Students spend 6 HOURS in Schools and 18 HOURS at home with their parents. Do i need to say more?

You see, your views that a student can do cheeky things in schools (if school allows hp) is based on a fallacious premise that students can only indulge in that activity in SCHOOLS ONLY. But the fact is students, our kids, spend only about 6 hours in schools.

Err...dear Shali:)...out of the 6 hours in school...what's the time frame allowed for the use of cellphones in confined areas of the school?...err...30 minutes max.?

The rest 18 hours will be spent at home. (Some even went to the extent of inviting arguments - "but then we parents dont have that much time with our kids-- 4 hours only lo - what the .."). (BTW Our kids nevertheless are within our moral and legal control and custody, no matter where they are).

So the point is - a lot more cheeky activities can occur in that 18 hours, rather than the 6 hours in Schools. One does not really need to be in schools to exchange MMS or SMS or 3G videos.

Err...while at home...the kids could use the house phones...no need cellphones...which are prone to be misused...unless the parents could restrict the kids by asking them to surrender the cellphones as soon as they get home also...?

But let's be clear about the new Rules:

!. the use of hp by students shall only be allowed before and after school sessions, during recess and after school ends;

Max. 30 minutes...within the schools each daily session?

2. all hp must be switched off during classes, or during co-curriculum

3. hp can be used only in canteens, and school lobbys - not in classes

4. hp can be seized if students breach the above rules

What would you suggest the school does with the confiscated cellphones?

Err...already there are angered parents of the secondary students...confronting the schools for the recovery...after the detentions of the cellphones...

5. that students should be aware of the danger of [handphone] theft.

Err...haven't ya heard...there are cases where thugs are approaching n robbing the students for the cellphones...

Again, after reading the above, it is UP TO PARENTS to decide whether to permit their children to carry hp to schools. Some will allow, some will not. CHOICES! :eek:

Err...the ban of cellphones in school...should NOT have been lifted...when so many risks n problems would arise...for the parents n teachers...n for the students as well...

Some forumers having the experience of giving their kids(secondary schools) with cellphones...have contacted Orchi...their toes are laughing at the MoE's guidelines...which would NOT work in practice n reality...

n btw...they expressed deep concerned that there are rising disciplinary cases of theft n misuse of cellphones at the same schools too...


n all these were happening when the ban was enforced...:rolleyes:

orchipalar
15-01-2006, 01:20 AM
If the statistics done by the Multimedia commission is to be believed, http://www.cmcf.org.my/HTML/cmcf_industry_watch_11.asp, there are currently more than 12 million handphone users, more than half of Malaysian population. Give and take a few thousand those with multiple phones, and ignoring the children (33%, aged 0-14, http://www.statistics.gov.my/english/census/pressdemo.htm and the aged who don't know how to use, these statistics will confirm both gtl and Teeque statement that almost everyone, rich or poor, own a handphone and it is no longer a luxury. And if you have published facts to disagree with this, please provide!Err...is that all?...no freaking wonder why the telcos n henfon(credit to Achee) distributors...were trying harder to target at the primary n secondary school going students to attract more billions in sales n revenues... :rolleyes:

Btw...whilst the debates move on with uncertainties...the only emerging winners...are the telcos n their political machais...:rolleyes:

aurora97
15-01-2006, 01:21 AM
Just curious. I don't think confiscation is a good idea, it puts the school at risk of conflicting with the law. (Maybe)

kwchang
15-01-2006, 01:58 AM
I can't let this pass....

It seems to be a local premise that we send our children to school to be educated and brought up at the same time. I seems that some parents feel that it is the schools' responsibility to provide for their upbringing (moral education and those stuff, not just text-book information).

My opinion is .... it is WRONG to expect the school to educate our children on the ethics of life. As parents, we have the moral obligation towards our own children's moral upbringing. If we fear that the use of mobile phones bring about negative repurcussions, it is our duty as parents to educate our own children on the broad spectrum of socail etiquette and the facts of life (such as the gap between the haves and the have-nots).

Those of you who feel that a school should make your life easier by limiting the choice of bringing mobile phones to school, I will say to you that you are shirking the responsibilities as a parent. If you feel offended with my statement, I apologise. It was not meant as a reprimand. It was a wake-up call.

orchipalar
15-01-2006, 12:44 PM
Err...parents should not segregate the responsibility of children education between the school n home...parents should be thoughtful...considerate n cooperative...to work closely with the teachers n the schools over many issues relating to children education n well beings in schools...

Ahem...among many related things arising from the MoE's decision to lift the ban...it has just made it a more daunting task...for the school teachers...parents n students as well...

SunwayKid
15-01-2006, 01:23 PM
.......were trying harder to target at the primary n secondary school going students to attract more billions in sales n revenues... :rolleyes:
..............the only emerging winners...are the telcos n their political machais...:rolleyes:

Yaloh..........with such a virgin territory (33% of the population), the telcos are basically guaranteed of their revenue growth for the next few years and made a lot of their shareholders happy and some parents unhappy.

Must remember to pick up a share or two. Brilliant! ;)

SunwayKid
15-01-2006, 01:28 PM
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Thanks Lexus for the info. For someone from Singapore, you sure know a lot about the elite schools in Selangor. Will try to call the office tomorrow, perhaps 8 pm? ;)

orchipalar
15-01-2006, 01:32 PM
Yaloh..........with such a virgin territory (33% of the population), the telcos are basically guaranteed of their revenue growth for the next few years and made a lot of their shareholders happy and some parents unhappy. Err...most parents are unhappy... :)

idolfan
18-01-2006, 03:32 PM
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/18/nation/13138087&sec=nation

"""Schoolchildren may not get to use handphones in schools after all.

Education Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said the ministry would consider the many opinions for and against the use of handphones before coming to a decision.

“We will discuss the matter during our post-Cabinet meeting on Thursday and I may make my decision then,” he said yesterday.

“We can withdraw the decision to allow handphones in schools if school authorities and parents feel they are not ready for the responsibility.” ""



When the DG announced the lifting of the ban didn't he say it was becoz parents had asked for it to be lifted. hmmm

Is there any wonder why our schools are so well run.

charis14
18-01-2006, 10:37 PM
I thought the initial announcement was already a decision. Wondering why the Cabinet needs to be involved in kacang puteh matter like this - and not the first time. Seriously wonder what the Cabinet discusses and how long the meetings are. If they have to be involved even in matters like this, then I will expect the meetings to be very long - since every "decision" of each ministry need to be "finally approved" by the Cabinet.

Personally, noting the difference in opinion even in the teaching profession, I feel the decision should be left to the principal or PIBG of each school. Reason - They are entrusted with the responsibility to lead.

aurora97
18-01-2006, 11:45 PM
Government smoke screen A.K.A conspiracy, to divert our attention from more important issues. remember A.p, Metramac, EcmLibra, Bakun, chair throwing iccident, squatting gate, and the list goes on.

and we are talking about mobile phones? wakakaka... find it ironic?

ksj_cool
19-01-2006, 06:12 PM
It is a good decision!!! :D

Teeque
19-01-2006, 06:20 PM
It is a good decision!!! :D

For now... ;) :rolleyes:

alexhay
19-01-2006, 06:31 PM
kids taking handphone to school...this will send a wrong message....btw...some kids handphone are more expensive then my phone

pcyeoh
19-01-2006, 06:37 PM
btw...some kids handphone are more expensive then my phone
For me, their downloaded ring tones are more expensive than the phone I am carrying with me.

joker2107
19-01-2006, 07:17 PM
just a joker thought - whats d penalty 4 violating the latest guideline. i'm looking at 10 yrs down d line moe will b offering discounts 4 summons issued 2 students caught wit a cell phone in his/her bag. they r gonna say if d cops can do it, y cant they follow a precedent! :D :D :D
or maybe theyll work out some kinda amnesty scheme aka cuti balik raya by jtan imigrasi? :eek:

Vanquish
19-01-2006, 10:48 PM
Hi.
I'm a secondary school student...
i think even if they allow handphones in school or don't...
it won't make a difference...
because majority of the students here are already bringing their mobiles to school..=D
I think bringing mobile phone to school would be very convenient to us..
First of all..we seldom carry coins to school.
People like canteen workers refuse to change ur cash for coins unless u buy something from them..
secondly..
most of the public phones in schools are already vandalised..
and the location of the public phones are not strategic.. and there are very few of it..

but the cons of bringing mobile to school is that...
1. bullies will pick on u..
2. u won't feel safe when walking home
3. Comparison of phones....

thats all i gotta say...=D

aurora97
20-01-2006, 12:13 AM
Hi.
I'm a secondary school student...
i think even if they allow handphones in school or don't...
it won't make a difference...
because majority of the students here are already bringing their mobiles to school..=D


Ah yes, the since everyone is doing it, i think its ok for me to do it as well arguement. I feel like our schools discipline has fallen to a new low, no offence Vanquish but its quite a common sceen during my school day. The authority of the school principal is clearly not stamped on the face of every student, and therefore we have rebels. Back in my school days i remember our school had enforced crew*sic? cut "botak", students however stil refused to shave their hair. Our principal strict as usual, ordered the school discipline teacher and line students who refused to shave their hair and get them shaved one by one. This is the sign of authority, from form 1 to 5 our school has outperform most secondary school in Sabah. Discipline was at an all time high, until gradually all the teachers were transferred, retired, promoted and etc... Looking back at my secondary school, the vision my principal had for the school has been totally destroyed. If you give student leverage on what they think is beneficial to them, in the end the students will be running the school instead of teachers.

pcyeoh
20-01-2006, 12:40 AM
January 19, 2006 18:40 PM

Approval For Mobile Phone Use By Students Retracted

PUTRAJAYA, Jan 19 (Bernama) -- Education Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein Thursday rescinded the approval to allow mobile phone use by students in schools.

He said the ban on mobile phone usage by school students was with immediate effect and also included fully residential schools.

He also stressed that this was his own decision and not on the directive of the Cabinet.

"The matter was not discussed at all at the Cabinet meeting yesterday," he told reporters after chairing his ministry's post-Cabinet meeting here Thursday.

Hishammuddin said that as such the ministry's Professional Circular Bil.11/2005 dated Dec 23, 2005 which gave the approval earlier was no longer valid.

He said the decision was taken after many groups especially parents and teachers expressed their concern that allowing the tool to be used by students while at schools could lead to a lot of problems although guidelines on its usage had been given.

"After having considered the situation and if I were to continue to allow it, the implementation won't be successful even with all the guidelines. If there is no majority support it will be difficult to realise responsible use by the students," he said, adding that a new circular on the ban would be issued soon.

Hishammuddin said in future the matter would be studied in greater detail and if implemented it would be done in stages.

"One of the ways is by targeting certain student groups, the easiest will be those in fully residential schools," he said.

On Jan 12, Director General of Education Datuk Dr Ahamad Sipon made a statement allowing students to use mobile phones in schools subject to guidelines issued by the Education Ministry.

-- BERNAMA

aurora97
20-01-2006, 01:27 AM
I am electrified with the news, finally the education ministry has done something right and decisive upon the matter.

Two thumbs up!

charis14
20-01-2006, 02:22 PM
He also stressed that this was his own decision and not on the directive of the Cabinet.
Strange that he had to stress that...
The Star mentioned about his intention to discuss during Post-Cabinet meeting. Personally, he should have discussed this with his ministry officials instead. Can be very embarrassing and demoralising for his subordinates.

Personally, I find the ministry's statement to be acceptable. The key is "subject to guidelines" which can be set accordingly. One source indicated "submitting handphones to teacher thro school hours" - a move which will discourage many from the hassle.

lord
20-01-2006, 05:36 PM
YIPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm farting rainbows over this news. For you kids who were all up for it, BOO-HOO!

jand
20-01-2006, 07:44 PM
choice -1, monolithic authoritarian administration +1.

life goes on. :rolleyes:

orchipalar
22-01-2006, 09:30 PM
YIPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm farting rainbows over this news. For you kids who were all up for it, BOO-HOO!Err...best piece of news coming from Hishamuddin since...or at the least somebody is listening... :rolleyes:

Ahem...checkmate? :D

shali
23-01-2006, 12:24 AM
Not yet checkmate.

They may want to keep the guideline intact for boarding schools. They are exploring this.

orchipalar
23-01-2006, 10:48 PM
because majority of the students here are already bringing their mobiles to school..=D
I think bringing mobile phone to school would be very convenient to us..First of all..we seldom carry coins to school.

Most of the public phones in schools are already vandalised..

and the location of the public phones are not strategic.. and there are very few of it..

but the cons of bringing mobile to school is that...
1. bullies will pick on u..
2. u won't feel safe when walking home
3. Comparison of phones....Err...dear Vanquish:)...first note...with the existing ban...there are some who would bring along cellphones to schools...ahem...just like they don't allow male students to keep long hair or get a tattoo...some do...n same with smoking ban or etc etc....some do...so be it...

Second note...if ya ask the students also...they even like the idea of NOT bringing books or the school bag to school...more convenient yes?...they might say so too...

Third note...about vandalism...now who do you think would be those that could vandalize the public phones...err...centainly NOT the janitor or the gardener right?

Forth note...the front gate or the toilets of the school isn't conveniently located too...ahem...how ya figure...thousands of students use them?...so when ya have to use it...ya wouldn't mind to walk a bit right?

Err...but Orchi would agree with you wholeheartedly...about the cons or problems pertaining to bringing cellphones to school...it would be a greater problem or grave menace...should the ban be lifted... :)

orchipalar
23-01-2006, 10:52 PM
Not yet checkmate.

They may want to keep the guideline intact for boarding schools. They are exploring this.Err...dear Shali:)...should one day...Orchi fails to convince any legal advisers to assist Orchi in any case...ahem...Orchi may need to think of you...:D

pcyeoh
24-01-2006, 12:10 AM
Can you imagine when the news broke that the Director General of Education Sipon is lifting the use of handful in school, there is this guy full of entrepreneural spirit start to distribute flyers in my daughter's school offering handphones in 5 packages so enticing that the students approach their loving parents that their little darlings wants Package 5 where the photo showed a 3G handphone. Now the gold digger businessman will have to find other use of the thousands of flyers he printed.

orchipalar
24-01-2006, 10:19 AM
Err...spoken to a foreigner enroute from Sudan to Doha on Qatar Air...who said...when kids get cellphones...the worst fear would be when calls to the kids are unanswered...n more worries bla bla bla... :o

shali
24-01-2006, 10:45 AM
Err...dear Shali:)...should one day...Orchi fails to convince any legal advisers to assist Orchi in any case...ahem...Orchi may need to think of you...:D

Yeah right :D

When all else fail, try me :D

To ensure you don't fail first time, you can also try me :D

KH EE
25-01-2006, 02:37 PM
students can't bring handphones DURING normal school hours but what about AFTER school hours when they have to return to school for curriculum activities?

orchipalar
25-01-2006, 04:58 PM
students can't bring handphones DURING normal school hours but what about AFTER school hours when they have to return to school for curriculum activities?Err...hmmm...ahem...under that circumstance...by all means can.:)

starrnorth88
26-01-2006, 12:52 AM
Be more open and educate is easier instead of banning and educate. Handphone will not go away. Banning it from school will only cause unnecessary activity in enforcing it.

KH EE
26-01-2006, 01:50 PM
Err...hmmm...ahem...under that circumstance...by all means can.:)


junior said teacher said NO, not even AFTER school hours! :confused: :rolleyes:

orchipalar
26-01-2006, 02:02 PM
junior said teacher said NO, not even AFTER school hours! :confused: :rolleyes:Err...Orchi likes the teacher's attitude...firm n decisive... :D

achee
26-01-2006, 07:55 PM
Be more open and educate is easier instead of banning and educate. Handphone will not go away. Banning it from school will only cause unnecessary activity in enforcing it.

At my son's school, they don't do any enforcement, or spot checks. As long they don't see students using it during school hours, and even if you have one, they don't care. If lost means tanggung sendiri la. Meanwhile they have enough public phones within the school.

I did ask a teacher who is also a family friend at this particular school. He mentioned that they didn't want to emphasize the issue of NO HENFON IN SCHOOL. It has been a silent ruling.

orchipalar
05-02-2006, 11:49 AM
Err...a 17 year old college student was knifed to death by a snatch thief ...when he attempted to recover his cellphone which was earlier snatched by the thief...

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=12851

Student dies trying to snatch back handphone
Charles Ramendran

KUALA LUMPUR: As a college student, his handphone was probably his only prized possession.

This probably explains why Chong Kah You put up a fight for his cellular companion and paid with his life.

Police said the 20-year-old put up a brave struggle with a knifewielding robber in Taman Petaling, Kepong at 12.30am yesterday.

In the scuffle, he was stabbed thrice in the abdomen.

Police said Chong and his 16year-old cousin had walked to a food court for supper about an hour earlier and were returning to their home nearby when they were approached by three men.

It is learnt that Chong had just finished a call when the men on two motorcycles confronted him and his cousin.

One of them snatched his handphone and demanded they hand over their other valuables.

However, Chong pounced on the man and attempted to retrieve his handphone but was knifed by another robber.

The victim's terrified cousin, who was warned not to intervene, could only watch in horror as Chong collapsed to the ground.

The robbers then fled with the handphone.

The cousin hailed a passing motorist who rushed Chong to the Selayang Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Sentul police chief ACP A. Thaiveegan said police only received a report on the incident at about 4am and dispatched several teams from the district CID to track down the robbers.

He said the search for the crooks was continuing and police have recorded a statement from the cousin.

He urged witnesses or those with information to contact the district CID at 03-4042 2222.

aurora97
08-02-2006, 10:20 PM
ugly scene indeed, dying over a handphone is totally so not worth it. Money lost can still be regained, but when you lose your life; it's a totally different ball game.

jand
09-02-2006, 01:03 AM
aiyor, orchi. palar. :p

ini sudah isi sudah terpesong. wrongly quoting. ini tarak bagus...

this kind of thing, cannot say good or no good. worthwhile or not.

i must stop else i either sound to0 vapid or too venomous. ;)

peasu~ everyone.