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jeffooi
11-01-2006, 10:15 AM
Folks, give your views on this. If you can turn it into a movement, so much in desire!

THE NEW STRAITS TIMES
LETTERS:

Extend LRT system to Puchong and Subang Jaya
SUSAI ANTHONY MUTHU Puchong

Jan 11: I REFER to the report "KL bus and rail overhaul" (NST, Jan 4). The plan for the extension of the light rail transit systems - Putra and STAR - as outlined by the chief executive officer of Syarikat Prasarana Negara (SPNB), Shaipudin Shah Harun, is rather disappointing.

If the idea behind the extension is to get more people in the Klang Valley to use the LRT instead of driving their cars, then the proposed plans do not appear to have considered the needs of the targeted market.

It was reported that the Putra line exceeds its capacity by 40 per cent. Yet the plan is for this line to be extended to another highly populated area, Subang Jaya.

On the other hand, the STAR line, which is under-utilised by 66 per cent, is to be extended to Jalan Klang Lama.

I do not know if the CEO has gone on a tour of the city or even for a ride on the LRT but the proposed extension is not as practical as it appears.

Currently, there are major road works at Batu 10 of the Federal Highway and also near the exit to the Subang Airport.

There is also massive high-rise residential development in the vicinity of the Kelana Jaya LRT station.

The Lebuhraya Damansara Puchong (LDP), which is also nearby, has probably the largest volume of vehicles among any of dual-carriageways in the Klang Valley.

Another round of development is certainly going to cause a great deal of inconvenience to the public.

The Subang Jaya hinterland is certainly too big to be sustained by the Putra line. Is there a need to further strain the Putra line which is already exceeding its current capacity?

I think it would be more practical to leave the Putra line as it is, except to add more coaches.

As for the STAR line, this is the one that is worth extending. However, the plan to extend it to Jalan Klang Lama should be scrapped.

Instead, it should be extended from Sri Petaling to the vast and rapidly developing Puchong area and on to Sunway before terminating in USJ/Subang Jaya proper.

The areas mentioned are highly populated residential localities that also have extensive commercial activity. Consequently, traffic congestion is a serious problem in these areas despite new roads being planned.

The extension of the STAR line to these areas would be fully justified and the operator should be able to not only recover the investment but continue to get a healthy return on it for a long time to come.

At the same time, provision may also be made for the STAR line to link Putrajaya or Cyberjaya through an interchange at Puchong.

The STAR LRT could eventually operate along the lines of the Mass Rapid Transit in Singapore.

I believe that this proposal, if carried out, would go a long way to encourage the use of public transport, reduce the volume of vehicles entering the city and also improve the quality of life of residents in the Klang Valley.

SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Wednesday/Letters/NST40824484.txt/Article/index_html

jeffooi
11-01-2006, 10:16 AM
THE NEW STRAITS TIMES
LETTERS - January 11, 2006

Close service gap

I READ about the new plans to revamp the RapidKL bus service with some interest. But there is a huge north-south gap in public transit service in the area from USJ up to Damansara.

I usually take buses from the Subang Jaya KTM station to USJ, as well as buses from Subang Jaya up to Kota Damansara (Ikano) and Bandar Utama (1Utama). I use the free shuttle buses from Kelana Jaya LRT to go to Damansara.

I believe RapidKL should have a trunk line from USJ to Damansara, rather than how it is now where a trip requires three buses.

In the future, this rapid bus line can be replaced by an LRT running from USJ to Damansara via Subang.

The Kelana Jaya line should be extended by opening another station near the existing Subang train depot. Ideally, this station should be near the NKVE and Kelana Centrepoint .

Phase 1 of the line should extend from the Subang depot to Subang Jaya and USJ, and Phase 2 from Subang to Kelana Centrepoint and the whole Damansara area.

There are more than one million people in Subang Jaya, USJ and Damansara, with malls, condominiums, hospitals and schools. So the demand is there. Currently, the LDP is packed night and day.

RapidKL should find a way of closing this service gap.

MOAZ YUSUF AHMAD
Subang Jaya

SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Wednesday/Letters/NST40824484.txt/Article/index_html

orchipalar
11-01-2006, 10:30 AM
Err...PUTRA n STAR LRT could be seriously flawed...should they NOT be able to accommodate any increase in frequency of operating additional coaches to meet any increasing demands...IF the lines are extended to USJ/SubangJaya...

Ahem...it is how they would do it in other mass public transit systems in other major cities of the world...

La Vida Loca
11-01-2006, 11:55 AM
I agree with Ms Susai Anthony, has En. Shaipudin from SPNB taken a ride in the Putra LRT lately, people are packed into the cabins like sardines and we have coaches without seats just to transport the rush hour people to and fro work.

By the time the coach leave from Kelana Jaya to Bangsar station, its already pack. How then should it accommodate more passengers from KL Sentral, Klang Valley's main transportation hub.

On linking the STAR LRT to Subang Jaya via Puchong and Sri Petaling, how long does the journey to KL will take then. If its more than 30 or 40 minutes, people will still rather drive their cars to downtown.

pucman
11-01-2006, 02:33 PM
I still think it is rather silly not to join the 2 LRT system together when the two system are almost near to each other. The cost of joining the two system together shouldn't be that much and the benefits outweight the cost.

If they extend sri petaling line to puchong then it is just next door to subang. I mean the most important part of puchong (IOI mall, tesco) is just next door to USJ and sunway, in fact USJ1-3,SS15 etc is nearer to puchong than USJ23-USJ 27.

People from USJ can then have an option to travel to puchong or sri petaling or cheras via Star line.

As for the complaint that it takes too long to travel to downtown KL via Star line, what if you had to wait half an hour before there is empty space on the putra line due to overcrowdedness ? By that time, you would have reached KL on the star line that is not so crowded.

So it is still better to have 2 options rather than one option to go to KL ! :D

AllUrban
11-01-2006, 06:56 PM
Err...PUTRA n STAR LRT could be seriously flawed...should they NOT be able to accommodate any increase in frequency of operating additional coaches to meet any increasing demands...IF the lines are extended to USJ/SubangJaya...

Ahem...it is how they would do it in other mass public transit systems in other major cities of the world...

One of the reasons why RapidKL actually came into existence was to take over control of the BMW system so that they would improve public transit and get people onto the LRT system...

The LRT system was under capacity, because the lines were not planned properly to get people to use those lines.

It makes no sense to build lines in areas where people don't go...LRT lines should be run along streets, not in hydro corridors or beside highways.

If there are going to be plans for better LRT service, two things have to be considered.

First, extensions are not an effective solution for an unprofitable line that is under capacity (e.g. STAR). Second, does everyone want to get into KL? What about the demand for travel from Damansara to Subang and USJ for example?

DBKL is planning two lines: one to link the city centre to Damansara, and one to link Cheras to the STAR line. But there needs to be many more.

I really believe that there is room for a Damansara line in the two phases. However, I dont think that there is any point to building a line until you have bus routes that are packed, demonstrating that there is high demand.

In one case, Toronto (Canada, where I'm from), all of the subway lines that are packed today, were built to replace successful streetcar (tram) lines. The unsuccessful lines are the ones that were built in the middle of nowhere, where there was less demand.

A line extension from nowhere (Bukit Jalil) to nowhere (IOI in Puchong) is not going to make more money for RapidKL. Perhaps they should consider a cheaper option, like a feeder bus route, to conect Bukit Jalil to Puchong.

Extending PUTRA to Subang Jaya will get more people onto the line but they would have to operate 4 coach trains instead of 2 coach trains otherwise they will be horribly over capacity.

I think that PUTRA should construct a station at the Subang Depot immediately, and run feeder buses directly to Subang Jaya and USJ from that station. They should also operate 4 car trains during all peak hours.

That would be a successful and cheaper improvement to PUTRA and it would not need as much investment as new construction and new extensions.

Cheers, M

kwchang
12-01-2006, 12:47 AM
...I think that PUTRA should construct a station at the Subang Depot immediately, and run feeder buses directly to Subang Jaya and USJ from that station....
Any feeder bus service from USJ would fail miserably because the main problem with USJ is the jam on the roads between USJ and Subang Jaya. If feeder buses are stuck in the jams, forget about feeding passengers to the Putra stations located elsewhere.

There is currently a feeder bus service within the Subang Jaya, USJ and Sunway circuit that links to the existing Subang Jaya Komuter station. I don't think it is effective due to the road jams at peak hours. So, why suggest another feeder to the Subang depot which is so much further away?

There are 2 solutions -
a) get the Putra line into USJ so residents only need to travel within the less congested roads of USJ
b) construct an internal LRT (a monorail maybe) that brings passengers from Subang Jaya, USJ, Sunway and perhaps Puchong to the Subang Jaya KTM Komuter station. Add more coaches to the KTM Komuter.

fighting
12-01-2006, 09:43 AM
I would like to suggest a walkway connecting Taipan- Summit- SS15 - Subang Parade - Sunway Pyriamid. A nice, safe, shaded, clean walkway which may only for couples of millions dollars.

I am sure it will benefit the SJ folks a lot than those 3C, 3K, big bird project.

SJ folks can spend time walking after dinner, teenager without transport can reach their friends, colleges safer, small business within these areas will be better too.

Besides, pollution and congestion will be reduced. Folks get healthier with cleaner air and exercise.

AllUrban
12-01-2006, 07:21 PM
I would like to suggest a walkway connecting Taipan- Summit- SS15 - Subang Parade - Sunway Pyriamid. A nice, safe, shaded, clean walkway which may only for couples of millions dollars.

There definitely should be more, and better, walkways around major pedestrian areas, connecting buildings to bus stops, etc. One example would be a walkway to connect SJMC to the bus stop on Pers. Kewajipan.



Walking in Malaysia is surprisingly difficult, partly because of the heat and partly because of the high speed roads. I live in SS12 and work in SS15 and I rearely drive. I have been to SS13 and SS14 exactly 1 time each. The reason for this is simple...I felt so nervous walking across the road.

I wonder what the cost of the walkway from Dang Wangi LRT station to Bukit Nanas was....the walkway you suggest would be about 10x the length.

Walkways and subways and more overhead pathways will help, but Malaysians should also take control over the roads and give the right of way back to pedestrians and teach drivers about courtesy.

I recall the PM saying, in part, that he didnt understand Malaysian drivers...the roads were becoming wider, and traffic allowed to flow more smoothly, and yet there were still more and more collisions every year.

Perhaps widening roads is not the answer.

An alternative theory is not to speed traffic up...it is to slow traffic down and let people see that walking can get them where they want to go faster. The theory suggests that people will then patronize local stores and restaurants and spend more time in their communities, and get to know their neighbours and their families far better...and this acts to reduce crime and violence in the communities.

That is why I like to walk...because I become part of my community.

Cheers, M.

AllUrban
12-01-2006, 07:40 PM
Any feeder bus service from USJ would fail miserably because the main problem with USJ is the jam on the roads between USJ and Subang Jaya. If feeder buses are stuck in the jams, forget about feeding passengers to the Putra stations located elsewhere.

There is currently a feeder bus service within the Subang Jaya, USJ and Sunway circuit that links to the existing Subang Jaya Komuter station. I don't think it is effective due to the road jams at peak hours. So, why suggest another feeder to the Subang depot which is so much further away?

There are 2 solutions -
a) get the Putra line into USJ so residents only need to travel within the less congested roads of USJ
b) construct an internal LRT (a monorail maybe) that brings passengers from Subang Jaya, USJ, Sunway and perhaps Puchong to the Subang Jaya KTM Komuter station. Add more coaches to the KTM Komuter.

I respectfully disagree but I really enjoy the discussion.

The reason I suggest moving the Subang Jaya feeder bus to the Subang Depot (at a future station) is because there is potential for express travel from Subang Jaya to Subang Depot Station, as well as feeder routes to Damansara and Tropicana. These areas have no public transit at present. Also, there is the extra parking at Subang Depot, which is right next to the NKVE...far easier access than the LDP.

There could be two feeder routes. The USJ route would have to be an express and use Jalan Tujuan rather than Jalan Kewajipan, because there are far less jams. This would give the bus a direct route up to Subang Depot. The other feeder could run in a loop, servicing Subang Jaya and Sunway Pyramid.

It is possible to restrict some lanes on certain roads for the use of buses only. This idea might seem unacceptable in a country where car is king...but stranger things have happened.

As I have said before, building a mass transit system without establishing demand properly is a pathway to failure. The company will not be able to recover costs, which means higher debt, government bailouts, or higher fares. All of these are bad things.

This low cost extension to the PUTRA line and additional feeder bus routes would (in the short term) attract huge passenger demand which would easily justify an extension of PUTRA down to USJ within 5 years.

Last...monorails and elevated transit are not the most effective form of public transit. A good tram system can easily carry 3-4x the passengers on the typical monorail. Plus, consider the cost of elevation...this drives up the cost of the project 2-3x.

Monorails and LRT can only operate on a different level from traffic, but trams can operate at the same levels or different levels. This saves money because for that same amount of capital you can build 2-3x as many lines.

Cheers, m.

ps. keep this discussion going, it is healthy and useful :D