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patrick
10-01-2006, 12:30 AM
We read and we hear about crimes around us every other day. And as I work with the various RAs and JKP, I hear and know that our crime rate is getting really worrying. Anyone still having doubt how bad the situation is getting, read on....

On 21 December, the stationary shop next to Nam Heong Chicken rice in USJ 9 was robbed by 2 chinese characters about 40 over years old. They were bold enough not to cover their faces in any way. One used a knife about 10 inch long and held up the staff and 1 or two customers (not sure about that). The Malay lady staff screamed out of fear and was asked to shut up. The cash register was emptied of a few hundred $ and the customers and staff were robbed.

Then on Sunday 8 Jan, the same shop and the same staff was robbed again by the same two robbers! Again they came on a motor bike without number plate. This time, the robber forewarned the Malay lady staff not to scream anymore! Can you beat that?

I think our country is going to the dogs!! What are the chances of lightning striking twice at the same spot????

jc86
10-01-2006, 02:56 AM
lol... can't the nam heong workers go over and beat those 2 dweebs up ? the place is always almost empty n the workers seem so free rite ...

anyway .,. hearing this sort of things make me sick ... we need more coppers in the area .. btw wat's the ratio of cops to residents these days ? last year they said its 3000:1 rite?
since i grew up watching US cops in action on tv more than i ever hear about malaysian cops doin their jobs efficiently ... really hope this improves .. was happy when they did the commission thingy 2 evaluate the force .. but i heard complains dat its not showing much benefits ?? i dunno dat well actually ....

hope in the future ... the government starts 2 pay our cops good money .. spend more in making the force more professional .. more tech-savvy n all..
i might just consider joining them if dat happens

yea ...btw ...wat is rakan cop actually ? saw it in the headlines months ago .. forgot 2 read it ..

aurora97
10-01-2006, 03:30 AM
Check out this web site you won't be dissapointed, West Malaysians have to content with crime; whilst East Malaysians have to content with Pirates!

"On the 24th September 1985, 11 people were killed and several injured when 15 armed pirates landed at Lahad Datu town and fired randomly at the public before robbing RM200,000 from a Standard Chartered Bank branch and Malaysia Airlines office. Semporna alone was attacked by pirates three times in 1996. In February 11th 1996, a group of six pirates threw fish bombs into the Semporna police station before fleeing with RM100,000 worth of jewelry from a goldsmith. This was followed by the March 23rd incident when a police shot dead a robber and arrested two others from a group of eight gunmen who robbed a goldsmith’s shop of about RM200,000. On June 23rd 1996, Semporna police shot dead eight pirates who robbed a group of fishermen in Pulau Omadal in Semporna waters."

This quote was taken from http://www.ums.edu.my/sss/bm/poster_diana&maureen.htm

Is our country getting any safer, 4 years after the Sipadan Hostage inciddent?

blues
10-01-2006, 07:24 AM
the same shop and the same staff was robbed again by the same two robbers! ............striking twice at the same spot????

yes,crime everywhere.....!!! never thought business rival ??

Jose Mourinho
10-01-2006, 08:08 AM
Patrick and Others. I agree with you all. I know you are right. You all know that you are right. We all know we are right. Yesterday while driving, I heard the Minister of Tourism, Michael Toyad disputing what a renowned tourist magazine has published, that visitors to Malaysia has to be extra careful with snatch-thieves and other criminals. He was very upset and he said that such crimes are everywhere and Malaysia should not be singled out and that it is a very safe place for tourists. This was on the radio, on the channel Light & Easy.

To me, the issue here is not a debate of whether Malaysia is safer than Seoul or Hong Kong but that steps have to be taken to reduce crimes - not only for tourists bringing in money to the country, but for the safety and protection of its ordinary citizens as well. Going into self-denial is like... shall we say, refusing to acknowledge shortfalls and learn. And a person (or a country) who never learns will forever be left behind, existing in its own little cocoon.

Hans Solo
10-01-2006, 10:04 AM
I have lived in USJ 4 for the last 11 years and my house has already been broken in twice ! First time, during the Christmas Holidays, they got in through the side window and took only cash and valuables which they can just stashed away in their pockets. Second occasion was April last year, they somehow opened my electric gate then broke the window of my new car and took only the bloody miserable toll tag. I heard my alarm and opened my window and shouted, the thief in a baseball cap just cooly strolled out to his parked silver Accord and drove away, all this at around 5.30am to 6.30am.
And now comes the act 2, recently as more and more housing estate gated up for security reason. This has created a business or profession for some which is great and okay if they are professionally trained and setup. I am talking about the security services which is springing up all over USJ and Kota Kemuning.
A bunch of guys rang my door bell one day and one look at them, I simply dare not open my door and gate, but they were very persistent so why I asked them what did they want. They told me in very 'samseng' tone that they are providing security services for my section. I still did not come out from my house and told them to leave the forms in my mail box. The one that appeared to be the leader and who was doing the talking, reluctantly did so and walked away with his 'gang' . I will have more sleepless nights if people of that sort is guarding my housing area.
:rolleyes:

donkey
10-01-2006, 04:26 PM
These guys are getting out of hands.....not sure whether our police force is capable enuf to get them...
Take the Bak kut teh Ah So's incident as an example.....poor woman....

Voter
10-01-2006, 04:31 PM
What's the latest on our USJ8 police station after the controversy about the foodcourt? Are we getting it afterall? Crime crime everywhere. Today's new RM5M gones into the hand of robbers who robbed the armoured vehicle.

tupai
10-01-2006, 05:08 PM
we have XXXXXXthousands of cops nationwide...it will be be enuff to patrol every street in Sjaya or anywhere else.

Crime blatanly appened when we stood by & gawked...Often we don't take citizen actions (of course, we don't wanna be a dead hero), we simply looked the other way and pretended not to see anything...be this appenin in jln alor, ss15, usj2/11j or where ever....thieves get bolder when they know that only the cops can stop them...

And us? we are too :confused: :confused: :eek: :o :D :cool: :rolleyes: ;) :( :p o do anythin'

kwgoh
10-01-2006, 05:26 PM
I have lived in USJ 4 for the last 11 years and my house has already been broken in twice ! First time, during the Christmas Holidays, they got in through the side window and took only cash and valuables which they can just stashed away in their pockets. Second occasion was April last year, they somehow opened my electric gate then broke the window of my new car and took only the bloody miserable toll tag. I heard my alarm and opened my window and shouted, the thief in a baseball cap just cooly strolled out to his parked silver Accord and drove away, all this at around 5.30am to 6.30am.
And now comes the act 2, recently as more and more housing estate gated up for security reason. This has created a business or profession for some which is great and okay if they are professionally trained and setup. I am talking about the security services which is springing up all over USJ and Kota Kemuning.
A bunch of guys rang my door bell one day and one look at them, I simply dare not open my door and gate, but they were very persistent so why I asked them what did they want. They told me in very 'samseng' tone that they are providing security services for my section. I still did not come out from my house and told them to leave the forms in my mail box. The one that appeared to be the leader and who was doing the talking, reluctantly did so and walked away with his 'gang' . I will have more sleepless nights if people of that sort is guarding my housing area.
:rolleyes:


Hans,
Before the "security gang" there sure will be many many break in or car smash. The so call "security Company" who provide the services are normally a gang of cra** and normally members are 90% from one race (you know-lah). They will come to collect "protection money" and if you don't pay, then they will give you more restless night.
I also stay in USJ 4, I really very very careful after the "Sam***" approached USJ 4.

aloy105
10-01-2006, 07:38 PM
few mths back a malay lady became a victim to a snatch theaf along same rd of my hse..fortunately a friend who was washing his car in the evening manage to catch the pillion rider( who fell) with the help of a door-to-salesman after a short chase. I tel the police n they arrive within mins(gd response) gave him a spanking n took him away.we did not 'wack' him but he was injure fr the fall..
..weeks days later, a snatch theive tried to snatch my hp while i was using it just outside my hse :eek: he only manage to get my hp cover(as the 1/2 cover of the model easily disengage)..after the shock ,n unable to read the motorcycle number ,i immediately gave chase in my car but cannot find him. Running in my mind was to crash into him if i were to catch up with the bike.
...Then recently also in my housing area ,a snatch occurs right in front of my eyes as my car reaches a junction. THe female student fell in a shock as the bike races away.I had instantly change direction n gave chase., but becaoz of the several rd humps i could not catch up with the bike.I had try a side alley hoping to catch him if he comes towards my direction at the main rd.Unfortunately or rather luckily for him,he took another direction. :mad:
He even has the cheek to stare back at me as he make a U turn at a traffic light, :eek:
I wonder if i happen to crash into the bike to stop the theive n inavertably cause bodily injuries to him,, whats the consequences to me, as a civic minded citizen :confused: Because we are the victim, :mad: we tend to take the law into our own hands, :rolleyes:

tupai
10-01-2006, 07:51 PM
PAS government aside. Kelantan is a very safe state to live in (from the aspect of criminal activities affecting us normal samy, letchumi, ah kow, ah moi, ali, fatimah lah)...

Historically, there are minimum snatch thefts in the streets. WHY? Simple, the whole street of people will chase you. The betcha men, the shopkeeper, the cobblers, the garbage man, the street sweepers, they will all be at the tail fo the thief and with their shouts...the people in fron tof the thief will also block his getaway...more often than not, this thief will get a bashin and handed to the cops. :p

It has nuthin' to do with oislamic laws (liek cutting off the hand or whatever) but the sheer participating spirit of the population to go after the thief is what keeps this snatch theft to a minimum.

If these snatch thieves are aware that we WILL go after them, they will go elsewhere for easier preys.

Don;t ask me about house breakings..i dunno. :p

Yang Akan Belasah lato tupai

p/s If u chase a snatch thief on a bike, go after him...and then...he fell. Thats not your problem. he is both a stooopid thief and a lousy biker with no lesen.

Zimon
10-01-2006, 08:59 PM
I believe the reasons for the high number of petty crimes like breaking into houses and offices, snatch thieves are simply becos they know they have a very good chance of getting away. After a couple of successful "ventures" the get bold.

If they are nipped at the bud, the cops and the law gets tough at them with severe punishment to the fullest.. then perhaps. the crime rate would be reduced. It would be interesting to see how many snatch theft and housebreaking cases have been reported and how many actually solved.

jc86
10-01-2006, 09:53 PM
but i remember reading in the papers last year ... that we canot aggresively/offensively attack the snatch thief or whatever ... we only have the right 2 just do enough to keep ourselves away from the guy ..say push him off or something ... i dun think we can punch n hit him more than needed 2 keep him off some safe distance away from us ...

something like dat .... but i heard in most western countries like US .. if u warn the thief or whoever beforehand ... then u can beat the crap out of him .. for eg ... thief points knife at u ... u tell him ..dun come near me or i;ll break ur neck .. if he fails 2 comply to ur warning ..u can even kill him or somehting .... does this apply here? coz the one i said above sounds quite unsafe for us victims rite ?

orchipalar
10-01-2006, 10:44 PM
for eg ... thief points knife at u ... u tell him ..
does this apply here?

Err...dear JC:)...should you be confronted with the above scenario...the last thing on your mind would be to find words in attempts to reason with him...regardless of what the law says... :o

Hans Solo
10-01-2006, 11:05 PM
Hans,
Before the "security gang" there sure will be many many break in or car smash. The so call "security Company" who provide the services are normally a gang of cra** and normally members are 90% from one race (you know-lah). They will come to collect "protection money" and if you don't pay, then they will give you more restless night.
I also stay in USJ 4, I really very very careful after the "Sam***" approached USJ 4.

But really...the security services is not a bad idea but with that kind of security guards. In their enrolment form, they got the cheek to ask for quite personal details.
Then again, the crime rate in Subang/USJ is getting out of hands. I hope the cops would pay more attention to improve the situation, but would they care. Its probably more lucrative to go after the migrant workers, legal or otherwise. Ex IGP Tun Hanif is living in our neighbourhood, I wonder what he thinks of all this.

donkey
11-01-2006, 01:42 AM
:o
but i remember reading in the papers last year ... that we canot aggresively/offensively attack the snatch thief or whatever ... we only have the right 2 just do enough to keep ourselves away from the guy ..say push him off or something ... i dun think we can punch n hit him more than needed 2 keep him off some safe distance away from us ...

something like dat .... but i heard in most western countries like US .. if u warn the thief or whoever beforehand ... then u can beat the crap out of him .. for eg ... thief points knife at u ... u tell him ..dun come near me or i;ll break ur neck .. if he fails 2 comply to ur warning ..u can even kill him or somehting .... does this apply here? coz the one i said above sounds quite unsafe for us victims rite ?


if the theif points knife at me, i'll give my underwear....no problem..take all u wan.. :o

Teeque
11-01-2006, 03:41 AM
jc,

That is called self defense, amounting to injury or death. In legal terms, it is called manslaughter here. But if you killed him when he does not produce any weapon or show you any harm, then its murder.

jc86
11-01-2006, 10:13 PM
for eg ... thief points knife at u ... u tell him ..
does this apply here?

Err...dear JC:)...should you be confronted with the above scenario...the last thing on your mind would be to find words in attempts to reason with him...regardless of what the law says... :o


err ..u practically cut out a fraction of wat i said 2 give the line a new meaning .. :confused: i was talking about warning him ...not reasoning

wat i meant was if someone (thief) does taht 2 u ... u warn him beforehand ... like telling him u;ll smack him if he comes close ..
but he ignores ..n u injure him some way .. can u get sued if dat happens ? :)

snorlex2000
12-01-2006, 01:13 AM
Well ...apart from my visit to the police station when I'd lost my wallet some time back in last year ...I hardly see any initiative of those police who do those roundings (on foot) like those in the HK police force la ...

Well ...the police force in M'sia are pampered ...must do roundings in those special cars (WAJAs) ..if not ...NONE. Haih ....somehow ...they don't abide to the law too ....

What I mean is that ...u know whenever we drive ...we would latch up the seat belt ..RIGHT? But i know some jokers were "naughty" enough to just ignore the seat belt unless a police car or on bike one does their rounding near your vehicle la ...

U know wat ...I saw a police car ...and both of them did not had SEAT BELT on ...GOODNESSS ...talk about living-example man ... :mad:

bugbear
12-01-2006, 02:06 AM
Check out this web site you won't be dissapointed, West Malaysians have to content with crime; whilst East Malaysians have to content with Pirates!

"On the 24th September 1985, 11 people were killed and several injured when 15 armed pirates landed at Lahad Datu town and fired randomly at the public before robbing RM200,000 from a Standard Chartered Bank branch and Malaysia Airlines office. Semporna alone was attacked by pirates three times in 1996. In February 11th 1996, a group of six pirates threw fish bombs into the Semporna police station before fleeing with RM100,000 worth of jewelry from a goldsmith. This was followed by the March 23rd incident when a police shot dead a robber and arrested two others from a group of eight gunmen who robbed a goldsmith’s shop of about RM200,000. On June 23rd 1996, Semporna police shot dead eight pirates who robbed a group of fishermen in Pulau Omadal in Semporna waters."

This quote was taken from http://www.ums.edu.my/sss/bm/poster_diana&maureen.htm

Is our country getting any safer, 4 years after the Sipadan Hostage inciddent?

For your info aurora97, that incidence occur in 1985 lah. Way way back in the dark ages. Now Lahad Datu is a different town compared to then. Then Lahad Datu was known as a pirate town swamed by illegal immigrant. Now the number is way down but still foreign national can be still found roaming the street seeling fags by the five foot way. I doubt what happen then will ever happen now. Security has certainly improved by leap and bound.

chin_wan
12-01-2006, 09:53 AM
Does anyone know the actual figure of the crime rate here in Malaysia? I mean, I read a lot about crime committed in Klang Valley but I have not actually seen the stats. Maybe we're just jumping into conclusion here.

Anyone with the figure?

DarReNz
12-01-2006, 11:40 AM
ohh yesterday first time i saw road block in subang at the road opposite carrefour .....

Teeque
12-01-2006, 03:18 PM
wow darrenz...r u sure? ur not seeing things? So far, i've not heard that there are roadblocks in SJ..erm...for umpteen years liao!

CCY
12-01-2006, 03:26 PM
wow darrenz...r u sure? ur not seeing things? So far, i've not heard that there are roadblocks in SJ..erm...for umpteen years liao!

Hehehe....no joke lar... Saw the whole gang pajero n bikes traffic enforcers at the Big bird park , Jln Kewajipan. Seems that they are issuing free summons :D for anyone that qualify for one. Should have that more often though to stem the worsening crime or traffic offenders brewing in the community..

isarahim
12-01-2006, 07:07 PM
Anyone with the figure?

The lack of published figures is, in itself, suspicious.

orchipalar
12-01-2006, 07:16 PM
Does anyone know the actual figure of the crime rate here in Malaysia? I mean, I read a lot about crime committed in Klang Valley but I have not actually seen the stats. Maybe we're just jumping into conclusion here.

Anyone with the figure?Err...dear ChinWan:)...you may find what you are seeking for in
here... (http://www.rmp.gov.my/rmp03/040901_igp_keynote.htm)figures of which are based on reported cases only...

Orchi believes...the rates or numbers of cases of crimes which had gone unreported...could perhaps be much larger...

3. The Royal Malaysia Police (RMP) classifies crime by two major indices — crimes against property and violent crimes. The first category includes crimes such as snatch thefts, break-ins and the theft of vehicles. In fact, crimes related to property account for about 90% of all crimes reported every year. Violent crimes, on the other hand, include murder, attempted murder, and robbery with or without firearms, rape and causing injury to victims. Although attracting the greatest attention of the public and the media, it contributes to only 10 % of all crimes committed.

4. In the 30-year period, from 1973— 2003, the police crime index has registered an increase in the number of reported cases of crime. The total reported crimes rose from 40,053 cases in 1973 to 156,315 cases in 2003; this represents a 230% increase over the past 30 years. It is interesting to note that if you were to tabulate these two sets of figures, statistically, you can see that there is a close correlation in the number of crimes reported to that of the population growth during the last 30 years. This averages to about 3,875 cases per year or about 11 cases a day. Of course, many cases may go unreported which is commonly termed as ‘the dark figures’. What is of greater concern is the fact that over the 30 years period violent crimes have increased from 3,192 cases to 22,790 cases. The rate of increase of violent crimes was about 2.7 times higher than for all crimes taken together. Some of this increase may just be a reflection of the fact that we started from a small base—nevertheless, it is something we are concerned about. In the case of crimes related to property, it is the most frequently committed crimes. These have risen to about 1.1 times faster that the total reported crimes, i.e. From 36,861 cases to 133,525 cases during the period under review. Thus, while property-related cases represent the largest number of reported cases every year, violent crimes seem to be growing at the fastest rate based on the year 2003 statistics. Vehicle thefts (cars, lorries, vans and motorcycles) accounted for 41% of the total crimes reported and 48% of crimes involving property. Another 10% was made up of robberies (excluding house breaking and violent theft). House breaking constituted 16% of the total while simple thefts and snatch thefts were 27%. Taken together, these categories alone accounted for about 94% of total crimes reported in the country.

isarahim
12-01-2006, 07:24 PM
Thanks Orchi. I haven't seen these figures before. I withdraw my earlier statement. Still it's frightening...

Perhaps we need Russ Guiliani over here... He cut down NYC's crime rate to a fraction of what it was before.

orchipalar
12-01-2006, 07:44 PM
The lack of published figures is, in itself, suspicious.

Err...dear Saudara IsaRahim:)...actually Orchi agrees with your earlier statement...

The one that Orchi found...was a key note address by the current IGP to a group of businessmen...n perhaps potential investors...

Orchi would NOT be suprised...if it was a 'sales' speech so to speak...or perhaps NOT...? ;)

patrick
12-01-2006, 07:59 PM
ohh yesterday first time i saw road block in subang at the road opposite carrefour .....

This is good news. Wish they would step this up. This is long, long overdue. Driving on our roads nowadays is soooooo stressful. Just a few days ago I saw a 4 wheeler beating the traffic light. And he wasnt exactly beating the traffic light. It was more like he bulldozed his way through the Kesas traffic light. We were coming from Summit along Kewajipan towards SJ. The light was already red and we all stopped. Suddenly, impatience or what I know not the reason, this guy just drive out with the light still red! And the poor smaller cars from SJ turning right into KESAS were forced to brake for him. This is blatant lawlessness!! I once wrote to the media a few years ago that our roads were slowly but surely turning into a jungle where the strongest survive. I was right, it's turning into a jungle. And I was wrong. It is not a case of survival of the strongest. It's survival of the most roguish.