police shakedown.-any experience

[aloy105]

i had 2 significant experience..
1. 1 night after several rds of beer at beach club, me n friends were stop by a traffic cops rd block at jln raja chulan,rd next to shangri-la hotel.. We had after leaving the club steam boat suppper, with some hot n spicy soup, so we were then pretty sober already., though our breath still has traces of beer. :) I being the driver was asked to do a breath test, once negative, ask to do again,ask to blow harder ...still negative.. :) THe traffic cop then say that maybe we had to go over to the station to do another test. :eek: .When i ask y when my test already shows negative,, he says sometime the equipment at rd blocks are not accurate, so we need to do a test at the station. I tried reasoning with him, n was directed to speak to his superior, a corporal..The corporal also give me the same story, adding that i could be fine rm3k if guilty for drunk driving., have to attend court blah blah blah..... I told him that i do not want to waste my time going to the station n wait for hrs to do another test, n leave my friends/girls waiting, n requested him to 'tolong selesai'.. :mad: He ask for rm300, but i say no way.. i will only treat him n rakan2 for breakfast n not dinner like what he requested. Hand him rm50 n got my driving licence n ic back. :mad:

2..Once a yr back while travelling up north near alot star, was stop by traffic operasi, said me driving at 135km over limit of 110km.,Many kms way back i had been warn by opposite cars flashing n had slowed to within speed limit.I had tried to reason with the officer that i was not speeding but to no avail. :mad: He even dare say he can tolong selesai after teeling us whats the fine like nowadays,straight rm300 .Then i ask if it was a camera speed trap.?He answered 'YES' .so i told him i will wait for the pic. n pay the compound when i recd it.He looks annoyed n wave us on.. Till today i had not recd anything ,check with the police - no outstanding summons for the period. :D..From experience..pay rm50 kopi cost, yet recd summon later :mad:
Just becoz its a benz think 'malaysia boleh' : :p

[bslee]

Ironically, the higher the fine penalty, the more it'll encourage corruption and fines DO NOT reduce bad behavior or accidents on our dangerous roads.

[pcyeoh]

I am rather shocked that you chose to do your confession here. Though we know the culture, it is not politically correct to do a public confession especially not on this forum. If you want, let me arrange for you to make it to the police at any location you choose but first, equip yourself with details and not shoot off like loose canon here. To be fair to the police, do it at the proper place and to the correct audience. Do you know that the police can be knocking at your door since you are traceable?

[tupai]

You are a disgrace!People like you breed corruption.

When you take the chance to drink & drive and maybe kill some innocent road sweeper (a breadwinner to a family of 5), you deserve to be tested for drunk driving.

Offering a bride out of this situation would make it 2 wrongs.

I hope they trace your IP and arrest you for giving the paltry bride. AND to the corrupted policeman, kalau insiden ini betul, kamu dah berdosa BIG tme dan duit haram rm50 itu tidak akan bawa apa apa yg berfaedah!

Both giver & taker should go to jail. :mad:


Yang amat berkecewa lato tupai

[aloy105]

You are a disgrace!People like you breed corruption.

When you take the chance to drink & drive and maybe kill some innocent road sweeper (a breadwinner to a family of 5), you deserve to be tested for drunk driving.

Offering a bride out of this situation would make it 2 wrongs.

I hope they trace your IP and arrest you for giving the paltry bride. AND to the corrupted policeman, kalau insiden ini betul, kamu dah berdosa BIG tme dan duit haram rm50 itu tidak akan bawa apa apa yg berfaedah!

Both giver & taker should go to jail. :mad:


Yang amat berkecewa lato tupai

firstly pls bear in mind that i had sober myself b4 driving, n i was tested negative :mad: i was made the offer, not me making the 1st move
Also the reason i did so was after 2 experience - 1 in having to run to a station in rawang several times (but unable to see the oc to appeal on a summon, which was finally strike off by the court magistrate., 2- having to spend many hrs at a station for arepeat urine test which later turns out negative :(

if adm feels this is not right forum , just delete Y curse me :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[billy]

This is for our knowledge and our rights.

I was talking with a lawyer friend of mine. We were discussing the law and
women`s rights. She told me about this incident - a young girl was raped
by a man posing as a plain clothes officer; he asked her to come to the
police station when she and her male friend didn't have a driver`s license
to show. He sent the boy off to get his license and asked the girl to
accompany him to the police station. Took her instead to an isolated area
where the horrendous crime was committed.

Infact, the law clearly states that between 6 pm and 6am, a woman has the
right to REFUSE to go to the Police Station, even if an arrest warrant has
been issued against her. It is a procedural issue that a woman can be
arrested between 6pm and 6 am, ONLY if she is arrested by a woman officer
and taken to an ALL WOMEN police station. And if she is arrested by a male
officer, it has to be proven that a woman officer was on duty at the time
of arrest.

[orchipalar]

Err...the female police personnels are carrying out orders laid down by mostly male superiors at the top...including the recent nude earsquat incident...where the female detainee was video taped by a male police personnel... :rolleyes:

So how about when 43 female GROs were rounded up by the police task force at 22:30hr at the SPA in Subang recently?...the confidential secretary to the deputy minister of the internal security(the ministry in charge of the Police Force) n one datok were present...there must be some female police personnels involved in the raid...did any of them exercise the same law with those female detainees?

Ahem...laws of this land can be written in any manners before...BUT when the enforcement of such laws is at the wimp n fancy of irresponsible personnels...what rights have anyone got up against such corrupt(Containing errors or alterations, as a text: a corrupt translation) practices...be it innocent or otherwise...?

[pcyeoh]

You are a disgrace!People like you breed corruption.

When you take the chance to drink & drive and maybe kill some innocent road sweeper (a breadwinner to a family of 5), you deserve to be tested for drunk driving.

Offering a bride out of this situation would make it 2 wrongs.

I hope they trace your IP and arrest you for giving the paltry bride. AND to the corrupted policeman, kalau insiden ini betul, kamu dah berdosa BIG tme dan duit haram rm50 itu tidak akan bawa apa apa yg berfaedah!

Both giver & taker should go to jail. :mad:


Yang amat berkecewa lato tupai
Hey Tupai, nobody is getting married here so why offer a bride. I totally agree with you that offering a bride out of this situation would make it 2 wrongs. And who could have wanted to accept a paltry bride?

[aurora97]

I haven't got into trouble with the law yet, but i think Aloy 105 was caught in a very difficult position. It is a very well known fact that bribery is disgusting and a very serious offence. Equally notorious are the Malaysian Police force, who are equally disgusting and irritating.

Say if you refused to bribe, the police can cause alot of inconvenience to you. For example:-
1. detain you in a lock up until your sober (another seperate inccident will happen, apparently from another article ("a poor bloke who refuse to bribe an officer"- i will put a link on it if i can find it).
2. possibility of detention up to 15 days, put you up on trumped up drug charges?

Suggestions, if you have alot of clouts:-
1. keep a lawyer's contact number on the ready and you can depend on, in the event of a false arrest. The whole police station would tremble in fear and their tails between their legs, having Karpal Sigh wielding a big stick stepping through its door. It really makes you wonder, why police fear him more than anyone else?
2. Knowing an OCPD, ASP or a judge can go a longgggggg way. I know a small fry whose working in the Internal Security for Police Affairs back in my small home town.
... and so on, but whats the chances, of knowing this people. right time right place etc...?

So how do we protect ourselves, do you know your rights as a citizen, what should you do in this tense situations. A bribe could mean home in 5 mins, while being honest would cost you 5 days in jail and earn you a 4 by 4 ft cell.

I believe Aloy was caught in a predicament, he was at crossroads at that very distressing moment, and so he choose to bribe the officer. Bribing will stop as long as the giver stops giving. Rebuking Aloy is neither a solution nor fair, in a sense that even the enforcers of the law are being heavy handed.

I will pose Aloy some simple questions now?
1. Did he know of his rights, in the event of a detention?
2. Was he at a confused state?
3. Was the police intimidationg him?
4. and finally why the hassle?

I should stress the point now is that, "what should you do, your rights, avoid bribing the officer and biting the bullet?". If so, are you willing to be jailed, for some trumped up charges or if your guilty, that you know in 48 hours time you'd be released?
Please Advise Me, i am curious too? Both in the event of being caught red handed and innocent.

[patrick]

Yeah..having the right "person" at the right time sure helps.

There was one night when I witnessed a hit and run in Ampang. To cut the story real shot, I tried to make a police report with much ado and problem because the police officer in charge at Dang Wangi was very reluctant to do so. In came the late (Tan Sri) Zain Azraai who was also a witness. I think they sort of knew who he was as he was then attached to the PM's dept. Bangged his fist on the counter and said something (cant remember lah as it happened in the early 70's I think). Immediately, the officer starting writing the report!! Heh..heh...

Sad thing was we never found out what happened to the case after that, and whether the reckless motorist was ever caught even though we noted the registration number.

[aurora97]

I tried to make a police report with much ado and problem because the police officer in charge at Dang Wangi was very reluctant to do so.

sigh... typical of any Malaysian attitude from civil service to private sector. Always have to push or threaten them with a stick before they'd start moving, why Malaysians are like that (includes me :p ...). The "Tak Apa Syndrome," more deadly than the H5N1 strain, infecting Malaysians now!!

Thats another whole new topic by itself, but what about the current topic any contributions?

[Rocky19]

I got hit with a claim that I was doing 122km/hr near kamunting. I know that area always has hard working policemen and usually up north I have my cruise control on. I was doing 117km/hr(you are given 10km/hr allowance thus they are tend to use 121 or 122). I told him very politely at first that he must be wrong. He told me they have proof as the camera caught me and was very garang. by now I was pissed. So told him off and ask him to issue me a summon. all of a sudden he became nice. he said ok I'll let you off cos I believe you but will check with the camera and if you were caught, we will send summons to you. Has been almost 2 years, habuk pun tak nampak.and I was not in any way offering any bride to him. ;) :D

[Teeque]

If breathalyser equipment at roadblocks are not accurate, it is the problem of Polis to get it calibrated and fixed before embarking on such roadblocks. Not for anyone to go to another location where proper working equipment can be found. If they insist, then you insist that you hv it done under your lawyer's presence.

As for speed detectors, if there are disputes, the incriminating evidence (the speed detector photo captured of your vehicle speeding) should be provided to dispute. And this is done in court. Tell the officer to issue you the summons and you will fight this out in court, with evidence produced.

If any officers asks for a bribe 'to settle the case' in any situation, ask him for or take down his name and polis no. or his ID. And report it. He may let you go but do not let him go. Add that officer to the statistics as we dont want the Polis to think that their force are 'incorruptible' or that there are only 'a few rotten eggs in the force'.

[aurora97]

I can remember a case vaguely, it's many months back and this person really went through hell with the legal system. It was forwarded to me Via Email and also he had a blog stating what had happened that very day.

Apparentlly i think if i can still remember, the person concern was raided (while clubbing) and detained on drug charges. In which he failed a drug test (urine test) tested positive for 3 or 4 drugs, although he did not take drugs (came out at a conclusive lab test, a few days later).

The person concern was refused bail, had to purchase a mobile phone (by bribing an officer via topping up his mobile phone). He pleaded innnocents to the Magistrate but was given a shock being called "rich brats" bla bla...

After several days (owing to the fact that magistrates don't work on holiday), he was release and subsequently lodged a Police report on the incident. Even a politician from Mca got involved to hear the matter.

I can't backup up story with the Link i intended, but this is the worse case scenario. How to handle it?

It is know that "some" breathalyser equipment are not accurate, again i do not have info to back this up. For some simple explantion try Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathalyzer , it might be some help. That might be the reason for the person being dragged to the station to do further test.

[jc86]

I haven't got into trouble with the law yet, but i think Aloy 105 was caught in a very difficult position. It is a very well known fact that bribery is disgusting and a very serious offence. Equally notorious are the Malaysian Police force, who are equally disgusting and irritating.

Say if you refused to bribe, the police can cause alot of inconvenience to you. For example:-
1. detain you in a lock up until your sober (another seperate inccident will happen, apparently from another article ("a poor bloke who refuse to bribe an officer"- i will put a link on it if i can find it).
2. possibility of detention up to 15 days, put you up on trumped up drug charges?

Suggestions, if you have alot of clouts:-
1. keep a lawyer's contact number on the ready and you can depend on, in the event of a false arrest. The whole police station would tremble in fear and their tails between their legs, having Karpal Sigh wielding a big stick stepping through its door. It really makes you wonder, why police fear him more than anyone else?
2. Knowing an OCPD, ASP or a judge can go a longgggggg way. I know a small fry whose working in the Internal Security for Police Affairs back in my small home town.
... and so on, but whats the chances, of knowing this people. right time right place etc...?

So how do we protect ourselves, do you know your rights as a citizen, what should you do in this tense situations. A bribe could mean home in 5 mins, while being honest would cost you 5 days in jail and earn you a 4 by 4 ft cell.

I believe Aloy was caught in a predicament, he was at crossroads at that very distressing moment, and so he choose to bribe the officer. Bribing will stop as long as the giver stops giving. Rebuking Aloy is neither a solution nor fair, in a sense that even the enforcers of the law are being heavy handed.

I will pose Aloy some simple questions now?
1. Did he know of his rights, in the event of a detention?
2. Was he at a confused state?
3. Was the police intimidationg him?
4. and finally why the hassle?

I should stress the point now is that, "what should you do, your rights, avoid bribing the officer and biting the bullet?". If so, are you willing to be jailed, for some trumped up charges or if your guilty, that you know in 48 hours time you'd be released?
Please Advise Me, i am curious too? Both in the event of being caught red handed and innocent.

woahhh ... i like the way u talk n the things u say man .. i just ranked u very highly in my list of respected ppl

btw .. dun bang the guy for handing out a bribe ... i know its a terrible act ..
but ..ask ur family members n frens whether or not they have offered bribes to cops say in the past 5 years. .. based on ur reactions to aloy105 ... i guess i will see u spitting in ur relatives' faces when they tell u the truth?
giv him a break :)

[tupai]

Hahhahahah...bribe or bride? in moments of anger & disappointment with corrupted giver & taker, animals usually make mistakes :D

to answer the question;
GO to balai for 4 2-5hours or to pay rm50.00?

Me? I will go to the balai. And all hell will break loose there.
BUT hell will only break loose if I didn't do anything wrong. Otherwise, i will swallow my humble pie, accept and sign the summons and pay rm300.00 WITH dignity still intact, instead of grovelling at some form 3 or max form 5/SPM low life corrupted civil servant! :mad:

My advise if u do not know 'people'. Carry the police HQ & Bkt Aman general lines. There will ALWAYS be cops attending to these lines. Explain yr 'problem' and seek their advice. Or alternativbely, the newspapers carry the personal mobile number of the OCPDs by areas in KL. Key into yr phone & se what happen. BUT bewarn that if u are guilty & try to be action...things can be ugly.

Yang Amat Berhormat undang-undang lato tupai

[charis14]

Over the past decade, I have had occasional experiences with the wrong side of the law related to driving or vehicle - some due to my fault, some not.

Where the compound comes through the mail, I have no choice but to pay (unless it was wrongly sent). However, in every instance where I was approached, they eventually let me off with mere verbal warning. How did this come about?

(a) Where I was wrong, I HUMBLY appealed for them to give me a second chance. Where I was not in the wrong, I also HUMBLY informed them of my position. No point shooting them since need to "give them face".

(b) Some of the officers did NOT (or dare not?) ask for "bride". For the few who asked for "bride", I respectfully informed them that I "was unable" and appealed for "another chance".

(c) Even in the most serious incident when my road tax expired for 10 days, this humble approach has seen me through.

Of course, this formula may not work for certain incidents e.g. aloy105's or those driving benz. However, it helps in many other instances. Officers who merely want to cari makan will generally not prolong the issue if we show humility.

[aloy105]

Tks for the positive comments :)

Y i choose to corrupt the authority is becoz of past experience...got caught in a thump up drug charge of taking heroin,..when i do not smoke all the matter take drugs.. But becoz of our 'rights' i had to spend hrs in a lock up down to my pants only,cold n wet cell, pay rm50-00 to make a hp call, my family has to run all over town to get the right ppl to help me, even just to get a police bail. All my explaination to the officers turn to deaf ears.Finally after lab test..negative..but what a traumatic experience, having to spend the night with seasoned drug addicts,snatch theives, also some innocent teens pulled in for 'lepak' after midnight(suspected drug addicts-but no urine test done yet :eek: )Family n friends coming over to the station to help out, calling up to enquire etc etc,what embarassing moments :o

Ppl whom i am 100% sure on grass (fr the smell of their cig) got away scott free on that night.YYY???how come?? BUT i was put into a lock-up becoz i know my RIGHTS n i also know some 'right' ppl...but these ppl are not available when we need them in the wee hrs :o .Now i also know the authourities too hve their RIGHTS...remand u for max 14days on suspicion of etc etc.. :mad:

Yes. knowing the right ppl can help...but getting them when most needed is another matter..If the problem happens the night b4 a holiday, then we may hve to spend a day or 2 at the lock-up, b4 our 'right ppl' can bail us out...U can get many excuses like OC not around,etc etc n u wait in the cell. :(
How many of us ordinary layman would want to spend days or even just hrs in a lock-up??? How many of our women would want to try out 'ear-squat' in the nude?? Thats Y 'shakedown' will bring abt corruption. :(
So know yr rights, uphold it but be prepare to bear the consequences :(
Sadly my opinion now is 'weight the consequences b4 i fight for my rights :(