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Jose Mourinho
09-01-2006, 11:35 AM
The local papers, NST and Star, have been carrying news on a Lebanese businessman who has donated RM1.07 billion to National Cancer Council of Malaysia. The Council's GM, Farahida Mohd Farid was quoted as "we were rendered speechless". It was reported that the generous billionaire businessman, Dr Elie Youssef Najm is worth US46 billion. Quite fascinating actually. If you refer to Forbes' Billionaire List for 2005, it lists the following:

1) Bill Gates (United States) US46.5 billion
2) Warren Buffett (United States) US44 billion
3) Lakshmi Mittal (India) US25 billion
4) Carlos Sim Hellu (Mexico) US23.8 billion
5) Prince Alwaleed (Saudi Arabia) US23.7 billion

and my boss, Roman Abramovich only comes in at Number 21 with US13.3 billion.

Thus this generous businessman should be ranked Number 2 in the world and if Microsoft's shares take a dip of 1 cent, he would have overtaken Bill Gates as Number 1.

All that aside, I am actually curious and interested as to why a man should suddenly burst into the scene of Malaysia with such a claim. By the way, has the National Cancer Council cash the cheque yet? Or was it a pledge? But whatever it is, the question is why?

Jose Mourinho
09-01-2006, 11:43 AM
Jeff Ooi's Screenshots have carried the story. You can also read it on Star Online here: http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/9/nation/13063190&sec=nation&focus=1

Rocky19
09-01-2006, 11:51 AM
JM,

It is a pledge!! There are lots of holes in his story.wonder what his wife is thinking now and her parents as well. ;)

sirgalahad2010
09-01-2006, 01:49 PM
Hey, this guy could lend MAS the RM3 billion its desperately looking for! Its probably pocket change for him, seeing as he is worth US$46 billion. A grateful Msian govt would probably make him a Latuk! :D

On a more serious note, today's Spore New Paper carried a report quoting the New Straits Times as claiming that this guy has had at least 5 police reports made against him for cheating and criminal breach of trust.

Let's see if he sues for libel & slander.

aloy105
09-01-2006, 02:18 PM
maybe just another midlle-east scam..need to first pay 5% processing fee in order to get official govt.release of the funds to be trf to msia... :rolleyes:

JackRyan1975
09-01-2006, 03:30 PM
The govt is a staunch ally of countries like Libya (remember the "Dr" CEO of Technology Park M'sia with the unaccounted tens of millions ringgit? Or the guy who implicated us in the shipment of component parts meant for a nuclear facility), and Lebanon (now this "Dr" in the limelight).

I'm sure these countries can do no wrong in the eyes of our govt... :D :D

pcyeoh
09-01-2006, 03:43 PM
Hey, this guy could lend MAS the RM3 billion its desperately looking for! Its probably pocket change for him, seeing as he is worth US$46 billion. A grateful Msian govt would probably make him a Latuk! :D
What!!! only a latukship for a RM 1 billion donation. Aiseyman, if our Bolehland can, he will be made a GOD.

tupai
09-01-2006, 04:27 PM
What!!! only a latukship for a RM 1 billion donation. Aiseyman, if our Bolehland can, he will be made a GOD.

sirgalahad& PC....do note that the Government of Furriland takes offfense in you guys offering the highest award to a 'billionaire' lol stranger WITHOUT consulting our official representative in bolehland, Yang Amat Berpuas hati lato tupai.

Please be aware that such unauthorised giveaways of our highest horrorific title , 'Yang Amat Berbeza latoship...' is a criminal offense and when you re barred form entering Furriland until further notice.

By order of the Government of Furriland

Saya yg berikut arahan,
Yang Amat Blur lato tupai

orchipalar
09-01-2006, 04:40 PM
THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS 'SAMARITAN':

Is the RM1bil man for real?
Tony Emmanuel, Annie Freeda Cruez, Azura Abbas and Dennis Wong

KUALA LUMPUR, Sun Within 24 hours of announcing the largest donation in Malaysian history — RM1.07 billion for the National Cancer Council (Makna) — a different side of Lebanese businessman Dr Elie Youseef Najm was emerging.

Over the past few months, at least five police reports had been lodged against him for offences such as cheating and criminal breach of trust.

In one investigation, charges have been preferred and the case has been scheduled for hearing in May this year.

The Lebanese was released on a RM20,000 court bail and his passport was deposited with the court.

Several businessmen and lawyers have also initiated legal suits to claim money they said he owes them.

"I find it hard for it to be true because it’s a huge amount," Health Minister Datuk Dr Chua Soi Lek told the New Straits Times. "I do not understand how such a huge amount for cancer could just be given to an NGO when the ministry is the main health provider in the country."

The minister added that if Najm had wanted to contribute, he should have approached the ministry.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Monday/Frontpage/20060109075748/Article/index_html

Err...it's a 1.07 billion question... :p

Teeque
09-01-2006, 06:45 PM
No need rocket science to decipher the question.

HM is saying why give the money straight to MAKNA instead of handing the money directly to him to disburse it to the organization(s). He is entitled to 'commission and/or whatever fees deem fit' since he is in charge of the nation's health mar... No money to collect so he feels he kena play out lor... :D

Pak Kadok
09-01-2006, 09:04 PM
Let's be proud to have the world's 2nd richest man walking the streets of Kuala Lumpur!

bugbear
10-01-2006, 12:50 AM
This Labenese guy is the second richest man on plenet earth? How come we have never heard of him before? Either he is a scam or somehow he manage to convert all those black money that a nigerian sold to him while in Chow Kit. :D

Looking at him in the news tonight remind me of saddam hussein. :D

JackRyan1975
10-01-2006, 12:55 AM
I wonder if he had actually "scammed" the Makna President's 19-year old daughter (Farinnie Farid, who is now 3 mths pregnant with Dr Elie's child) into marrying him. :D

kwchang
10-01-2006, 01:12 AM
JackRyan
Let's have some reality check here - did anyone confirm that Makna president's daughter is the wife of the Lebanese? As far as I know the similarity in the names was only pointed out elsewhere.

This is how info gets distorted.

Teeque,
Please have some courtesy. Do not implicate the health minister with corrupt intentions from your own conjecture!

Posting stuff on the web requires a large amount of responsibility and accountability. Do not shoot from the hip, especially when the brain is loaded with blanks.

aurora97
10-01-2006, 04:10 AM
I do hope that information transmitted by the Media is true, otherwise Malaysia is in for a very embarrassing moment again. Rm 1 Billion is at stake here, Malaysian Media are fast to pull the trigger, remember the "Squatting Gate" inccident. try a refresher page from www.bbc.co.uk >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4581788.stm <<.

"Some words, once spoken cannot be taken back"

Teeque
10-01-2006, 04:15 AM
Apologies chang.
I somehow knew that that posting was inappropriate after I had clicked the Submit reply button. Anyway, is there any way i can delete my own postings?

JackRyan1975
10-01-2006, 06:46 AM
JackRyan
Let's have some reality check here - did anyone confirm that Makna president's daughter is the wife of the Lebanese? As far as I know the similarity in the names was only pointed out elsewhere.

This is how info gets distorted.

Whether it's real or not will be known in due time. Till then, I stand by my opinion that Farinnie is Farid's daughter. Apologies will be offered if she is not.

By the way, who has the authority to confirm anything anymore? Even the press (our major source of info) has tendency to highlight something one day and retract/correct the next.

Jose Mourinho
10-01-2006, 10:34 AM
This is taken from Star Online dated today, 10 January 2006:

Najem Blames woes on Police

KUALA LUMPUR: As more fresh allegations surfaced against Lebanese businessman Elie Youssef Najem, the self-professed billionaire showed up at the Lebanese Embassy to complain against the police here.

The 45-year-old man, who claims to be a lord and a prince, continued to claim that he was a “victim of trumped-up charges” and blamed the Malaysian police for it. Speaking to reporters who waited outside the embassy gates, he announced loudly that he would lodge “international reports” against the police.

The embassy refused to respond to press enquiries as to what transpired during the two-hour meeting.

Insisting he was not a fraud, Najem, who walks with the aid of crutches, was accompanied by his 19-year-old wife Farinnie Mohd Farid. He then left the embassy in a taxi. Najem claimed to have 95 companies registered in Malaysia. But a search done with the Companies Commission of Malaysia revealed he was involved in only two companies, namely Trident Pillar Sdn Bhd and Cash Discovery Network (M) Sdn Bhd.

Later in an interview with The Star at his home, Najem claimed that he was beginning to re-consider his pledge to donate RM1.04bil to Makna in the light of all the unwanted attention. “If this harassment continues, then I'm sorry,” he added.

He denied all allegations of cheating, claiming that complaints of him issuing bad cheques were all lies. He said that while he was in police custody, some of his employees had issued cheques on his behalf and withdrew all the money he had in the bank.

Najem also denied rumours that he owned a phone sex company in Canada. “First of all, there's freedom of speech in Canada, and secondly, I never ever owned such a company.” Najem admitted that he had previously been investigated on a charge of sexually molesting a former employee, but said the charge was later dropped.

When asked why there were no Internet records of himself or the companies he purportedly owned, Najem said his website was in the midst of being constructed, but that he needed to get his servers up and running first. When asked to show proof of his supposed wealth, he refused.

“I am more than a billionaire,” said the man who claimed to be worth US$46.5bil (RM174.3bil). "But I want to lead a simple life. Before I die, I would like to get rid of all my money. The money is ready, it's all up to Datuk Farid (Ariffin),” he said.

When asked why the Lebanese Embassy had not heard of him despite him being a lord, Najem dismissed the matter with a wave of his hand.”Why should they know me? Who is the ambassador? He is just a civil servant!"

...........................

Aiseh and I say, our billionaire friend has threatened to withdraw his pledge. we kay-po Malaysians have to stop it la or the National Cancer Council (and Datuk Farid Ariffin) will never get to see the RM1.04 billion.

Jose Mourinho
10-01-2006, 11:03 AM
The govt is a staunch ally of countries like Libya (remember the "Dr" CEO of Technology Park M'sia with the unaccounted tens of millions ringgit? Or the guy who implicated us in the shipment of component parts meant for a nuclear facility), and Lebanon (now this "Dr" in the limelight).

I'm sure these countries can do no wrong in the eyes of our govt... :D :D

Jack Ryan. Actually what happened to that CEO of whichever company in TPM or was it Cyberjaya? You know, the one who claimed to hold patents to thousands of innovative ideas. There was a lot of fire crackers about withholding his passport etc. Where is he now?

pcyeoh
10-01-2006, 01:24 PM
Jack Ryan. Actually what happened to that CEO of whichever company in TPM or was it Cyberjaya? You know, the one who claimed to hold patents to thousands of innovative ideas. There was a lot of fire crackers about withholding his passport etc. Where is he now?

The answer is in today's Star paper


The Star
Tuesday January 10, 2006


Police revoke seizure order issued against InventQjaya

KUALA LUMPUR: The seizure order issued on InventQjaya Sdn Bhd in February has been lifted.

S.N. Nair, InventQjaya chief executive officer Dr Sadeg Mustafa Faris' counsel, said the seizure order had been lifted in a revocation order dated Dec 27 and signed by the Federal Commercial Crime Department's money laundering unit head Deputy Supt S. Suresh Kumar.

The revocation order stated that the company's business had been handed over to its directors and executive officers, and PriceWaterhouseCoopers would cease to supervise, direct and control the business.

“The company secretary, M&C Services Sdn Bhd, informed our client, who is in New York, the following day (Dec 28),” Nair told reporters at his office here yesterday.

The move, he added, was a positive indication that Dr Sadeg had been vindicated of all allegations and innuendos by various quarters.

“The company is back in Dr Sadeg’s control. We feel that he, his employees and the company have suffered tremendous damage. We will assess the damages caused as a result of the police action,” he said.

In February, police seized the company by an order under Subsection 52 (1) of the Anti-Money Laundering Act 2001. PriceWaterhouseCoopers was appointed administrators of the company.

This came in the wake of questions raised in relation to RM50mil belonging to the company.

Nair said that he had been given power of attorney to attend meetings on behalf of Dr Sadeg during the interim period from the date of the revocation order until his return.

Asked why the seizure order had been lifted, he said: “No explanation was given to the company secretary. We are waiting for the report from the police and we will take it from there.”

His client, he added, would not withdraw an application for a judicial review on police action to seize the company by invoking the Act.

The hearing of the application, filed in April, is on Feb 14.

InventQjaya is a RM100mil joint research and development initiative between the Malaysian Government and New York-based Reveo Inc, founded by Dr Sadeg, a Libyan who studied in the United States.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/10/nation/13066059&sec=nation

JackRyan1975
10-01-2006, 02:12 PM
Jack Ryan. Actually what happened to that CEO of whichever company in TPM or was it Cyberjaya? You know, the one who claimed to hold patents to thousands of innovative ideas. There was a lot of fire crackers about withholding his passport etc. Where is he now?

Good question. It is also reported in today's NST Page 6 (not available online), in addition to Pcyeoh's post.

If you notice, if his passport was withheld, he would not be safe and sound in New York where he is now. All this before he was even cleared of wrongdoing.

Pak Kadok
10-01-2006, 04:12 PM
This billionaire 46 times over in Yankee Dollars also claimed that, according to The Sun, amongst others, he also owns the Penang Bridge....: http://sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=12535

JackRyan1975
10-01-2006, 04:34 PM
Excerpt from NST http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/Frontpage/20060110075610/Article/index_html

He is sought by police in three countries. And in Malaysia, he has overstayed.

Police in Canada and Cyprus want him to assist in their investigations into cases of theft, cheating and cheque forgery, said police sources.

Also, Interpol confirmed that Najem was convicted of cheque forgery in Lebanon last year and sentenced to a year’s jail. He left the country while the appeal was pending.

He entered Malaysia in June last year and has overstayed since Sept 21.

Immigration Department enforcement director Datuk Ishak Mohamed said: "Based on newspaper reports, the foreigner has surrendered his passport to the court.

"In this respect, we will meet court officers and police to determine his status. But in principle, we should detain him because he has overstayed."

Question: What's keeping the police and immigration officers from detaining him?

Jose Mourinho
10-01-2006, 05:37 PM
Question: What's keeping the police and immigration officers from detaining him?

Perhaps they are waiting if the RM1.04 billion is reality? And if so, they may want to make him a citizen?

Rocky19
10-01-2006, 06:27 PM
jack,

check yesterday's star. they mentioned his father in law was there during the interview. Unless for some reason they didn't want the world to know it was Datuk Mohd Farid(conspiracy theory, not saying you), they just mention father in law. It seems Makna persident only knew about this guy few days ago based on what I read in the papers. Check the Berita Harian yesterday as there is an interview from him.We need to be fair to him. His reputation has been damaged due to the very little due diligence he did after hearing the good news of the amount to be donated.

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The immigration seem to only heard of him now.we should not be surprised as immigration doesn't know where the other overstay people are or how many have over stayed. They need to see what they can do as his passport is with the court thus his excuse that he couldn't leave the country. The police know of him and can only wait for the court case.Local cas takes precedent before they send him off to overseas. Off course now that he made other allegations about the police, I hope they haul him up.

Lets look at the details and read what is being said before we make judgement.the guy is a big con artist. But you can't throw in jail until he is brought to court.

The RM1billion will not happen.

aurora97
10-01-2006, 06:30 PM
Whether it's real or not will be known in due time. Till then, I stand by my opinion that Farinnie is Farid's daughter. Apologies will be offered if she is not.

By the way, who has the authority to confirm anything anymore? Even the press (our major source of info) has tendency to highlight something one day and retract/correct the next.

Whether the wife is Dr Farid's daughter or not, we as the public cannot speculate as it tarnishes the persons image. Such words are scandalous, and vexatious, if Dr Farid should see this post, you could be subjected to a libel suit for defamation! I hope you do know, how many people are accessing this forum and reading the articles.

We cannot be like the media, the information must be accurate and truthful at all times. Allegations without basis is not what we need from the press, whose words can be destructive and bias. It is up to our judicial system to take action against the Lebanese Man, if he is really guilty let the COURTS decide not the Media or Public. This type of attitude is turning into 5th Centruy Mid-Evil WITCH HUNT, where you burn someone at the stake on MERE allegations! Look at what the NST is doing, they are so sure that this guy is a Fraud, are they the police? Why not issue an arrest warrant as well on their front page newspaper, indirectly they've already convince half of Malaysia his guilty!

Again whoever is guilty or innocent lies with the judicial SYSTEM, and it is not for the Media or PUBLIC to decide. Please also refrain from groundless allegations, its damaging the persons reputation (Makna's president & also her Daughter if he has one).

Jose Mourinho
10-01-2006, 06:51 PM
Aurora. No offence. This is strictly discussion. You still reckon he is not a fraud after all the claims he has made? We can only gather and make conclusions (admittedly the conclusions can be erroneous) from the news we hear. We make conclusions from CNN, BBC and CNBC news on Astro. If I go out tonight and pee in front of all the tourists in Jalan Bukit Bintang and tomorrow's Star reports that Jose Mourinho is either crazy or a pervert, all the forum members here can draw their conclusions on whether it was because Hernan Crespo was going to leave Chelsea or Roman Abramovich has asked me to take a pay cut. The forum members would not know unless they are all there in the tiny pad of Abramovich in Chelsea. So they would have to draw conclusions. If we do not draw conclusions, then there would practically be nothing much to say in this forum or any other forum. My conclusion is that this generous billionaire is a con-man and he is insane. Now he says he owns Penang Bridge. And anyway, his claim that he just ranks behind Billy-Boy Gates in wealth would expose him as a fraud and a liar. Of course, unless Forbes magazine has been very negligent in its survey and analysis.

All that being said, I would still advocate some sense and sensibility when posting.

Jose Mourinho
10-01-2006, 07:03 PM
This was reported in The Sun today, 10 January 2006. Pak kadok has given the full link. This billionaire now accuses people of stealing from him. It was reported that "He accused the KL commercial crimes unit personnel of "bashing him" and of stealing money ($27,000 in US dollars and RM5,000) and five pocket personal computers and handphones which were with him during the arrest. They even took my RM3,000 Samsonite wallet because they liked it. Even during my detention, the police hired a woman by the name of Hazina Yaakob, who came to my office and stole RM786,000".

aurora97
10-01-2006, 07:08 PM
Now he says he owns Penang Bridge.

Correction news from NST=== On media scepticism of his ’donation’: ‘Don’t they know that I helped Malaysia in the building of the Penang Bridge by extending US$2 billion (RM7.6 billion) to the main contractor?’=== ;)

He extended loans of $2billion not he owns the Penang Bridge.

That said what i was stressing here is, there is a fine line between freedom of speech and what is bordering on contempt and defamatory remarks for other people's privacy. What i disagree about in this forum, is not about the "guilt"Lebanese Billionaire (no doubt there's some funny hanky panky stuff going on) but the accuracy of JackRyan1975 stating that and i quote:

"Whether it's real or not will be known in due time. Till then, I stand by my opinion that Farinnie is Farid's daughter. Apologies will be offered if she is not.

By the way, who has the authority to confirm anything anymore? Even the press (our major source of info) has tendency to highlight something one day and retract/correct the next."

Random accussation base on coincidence, take for example in a recent publication where by the niece of Osama bin Laden(one of 400 odd cousins and relatives) whose working *cough* a lingerie Model in America. The people had the misconception thinking that anyone from the Osama family is a terrorist, mind you sometimes because of a small fire an entire forest could be burnt by irresponsible comments.

orchipalar
10-01-2006, 07:12 PM
Err...the NST has published what seems like bounced cheques... (http://www.nst.com.my/pix/pix_top_01101)which were apparently (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/Frontpage/20060110075207/Article/index_html)... issued by Elie Youssef Najem...Who? (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/Frontpage/20060110075610/Article/index_html)

Ahem...has he also issued the cheque of RM1.04 Billion to Makna...?

JackRyan1975
10-01-2006, 07:37 PM
Aurora,

Cool it and hold your fire will you?

Didn't I promise to apologise if Farinnie is not Farid's daughter? I shall fall on my sword now and apologise...from MY research, I found him to have 1 son (Fazul) and 2 daughters (Farahida and Farah Raina). Nowhere is Farinnie stated as his daughter...though I know she participated in Nescafe Kickstart...oh...would I be sued if it's actually another Farinnie Mohd Farid? :D

On whether it is defamatory, there is a good article written by Mr. Bhag Singh in Star Section 2 today. Check it out before you dangle it at me. I could counter-sue you for "criminal intimidation" for threatening me-lah, though i'd never do such cruel things to my fellow forummers, of course :D

Gee...I didn't know wrongly identifying one as another's daughter is defamatory....what a dangerous world.

aurora97
10-01-2006, 07:54 PM
You could counter sue me for criminal intimidation that is true, and i do not have the locus standi to take an action against you for defamation. I know bits and pieces of the law, but can't see you see the point i am trying to get to you?

What i wanted to highlight to you and also even earlier in this discussion which was duly noted by KWchang and i quote:

"JackRyan Let's have some reality check here - did anyone confirm that Makna president's daughter is the wife of the Lebanese? As far as I know the similarity in the names was only pointed out elsewhere.

This is how info gets distorted.

Teeque,
Please have some courtesy. Do not implicate the health minister with corrupt intentions from your own conjecture!

Posting stuff on the web requires a large amount of responsibility and accountability. Do not shoot from the hip, especially when the brain is loaded with blanks."

The dangers of indiscriminate publishing of information as such, can be equated with having your mobile number being published in a public toilet stating "Free SEX here please SMS or Call me!." This is how easy information can be distorted, abused and misapplied.

cskok8
10-01-2006, 08:21 PM
A lord and a prince!!! Can anyone remember who was the last king of Lebanon?

jc86
10-01-2006, 09:58 PM
yeahh jose .... talking about ur boss roman ... the guy is just cool ...

heard on football focus or here we go a few months ago ...

u said he worths 13.3 billion right? thats coz few months ago ... he sold off one of his company in austria which he bought a few years ago ... he sold it for 13 billion .. guess how much he bought it ? take 13 billion divided by 65 ..
john dykes said he sold the company 65 times the amount he bought it ..

thats y he;s so damn rich now ... when he bought chelsea 2 years back ...he only worthed around 1 billion somehting...

just have 2 respect the guy ... n he still shows up for all of chelsea's matches

TheEdge
10-01-2006, 11:16 PM
A lord and a prince!!! Can anyone remember who was the last king of Lebanon?

Would this help? King of Lebanon (http://www.manta.com/comsite5/bin/pddnb_company.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=3550&id=c4vwj6)

wAISEKMAo
10-01-2006, 11:30 PM
FROM STAR PUBLICATIONS, Tuesday January 10,2006
Najem blames woes on police

KUALA LUMPUR: As more fresh allegations surfaced against Lebanese businessman Elie Youssef Najem, the self-professed billionaire showed up at the Lebanese Embassy to complain against the police here.

The 45-year-old man, who claims to be a lord and a prince, continued to claim that he was a “victim of trumped-up charges” and blamed the Malaysian police for it.


ANGRY: Najem who walks with the aid of crutches leaving the Lebanese Embassy yesterday. Speaking to reporters who waited outside the embassy gates, he announced loudly that he would lodge “international reports” against the police.

The embassy refused to respond to press enquiries as to what transpired during the two-hour meeting.

Insisting he was not a fraud, Najem, who walks with the aid of crutches, was accompanied by his 19-year-old wife Farinnie Mohd Farid. He then left the embassy in a taxi.

Najem claimed to have 95 companies registered in Malaysia.


He then left the embassy in a taxi.

Actually what amuse me of all these hoo-haa's are :-

1. He left in a taxi? the second richest man on the planet take taxi in malaysia? If you really want to give us a show, you can do better than this.

2. He is surrounded by "nepal" securities. Don't tell me Mr. Najem get the nepals in via RM750.00 factory worker visa. If you want to show off, at least get some gurkhas kah, some foreign legionnaires ka, ex mossad ka or something better than this lar.

I am actually disgust that we, malaysian and especially "the star" which put the news on front page believes in this story. Our logic function should be better than this.

kwchang
11-01-2006, 12:54 AM
Since my last moderation on this Forum, there was 2 pages of "news" and conjectures added to this thread. Man, you people love a public lynching, don't you?

I am glad Aurora sees my view and I must warn you folks not to take Aurora's points lightly. I have on many occasions tried to educate people about the dangers of gossiping and posting without references. No matter if the Lebanese sound like a con-man. If he has enough grounds to sue you, it will be too late to withdraw any comments posted permanently in our Forum. Do not feel safe in numbers. Just because your friend said he smelt a fish, it don't mean you can open a fish market.

Jose Mourinho
11-01-2006, 08:45 AM
I listen to all your views. I do advocate that forum members should post with sense and sensibility. However I disagree that inferences and conclusions (even if erroneous) cannot be drawn from newspapers and other printed and online matters. Jack Ryan - I don't think the Lebanese has grounds or the time to sue you. If what the papers report on him were true, he has enough on his hands as he has just accused the police of stealing from him, among all things, a RM3000 Samsonite wallet. Do you good people ever wonder that every word he utters, it is fixing a price on things? And by the way, I was horrified to see 15 guards from Nepal (again, if the papers report on him were true) standing outside the door of his condominium. Is there a law in this country about a man owning a private army?

I think to be on the safe side, we should qualify ourselves with these words when posting news from the media: "If the papers report were true".

:)

aurora97
11-01-2006, 10:51 AM
"imagine one day our countries leading media house, slapped with suits, police raids into their premises, sacking of directors and editors, and finally sending their shares in KLSE plummeting." oh they joy and sweetness!!

My one wish is to see one of our countries pioneering media house crash and burn over an error of reporting, this will be an alarm bell for rest of Malaysia's Media houses to report the truth.

Hopefully it will be the Lebanese Businessman (who ironically ina 1 in a million chance turns out to be innocent!) :D , than we will really have something to talk about! Although chances are slim that the Lebanese businessman is innocent, but i am still putting my bets on him that there is still light at the end of the tunnel.

Let the Billion dollar gate commence. Being Charitable proved to be this man's Waterloo!

tupai
11-01-2006, 10:59 AM
USJ.com.my and ALL the newspapers should just STOP publicising about this conman.

The whole deal is fishy from the start. Why give him the space & time to furhter make silly claims? He funded penang bridge indeed! :D

why are we all so silly too? he made us a fool and we are making ourselves bigger fools!

JUST STOP IT!

yanag amat bodoh lato tupai

bugbear
11-01-2006, 11:37 AM
Agrees with you yang amat bodoh lato tupai. This labanese guy is unbelivable. Talk about flaunting your wealth... either he is what he claims to be or a scam. For me, my verdic is a no go. From every report that I can read in the news is that of a broke fellow and nothing about being a billionaire.

JackRyan1975
11-01-2006, 12:20 PM
Instead of providing answers, even the Immigration Department has to rely on newspaper reports for the latest updates on the Lebanese. He must have learnt from this forum the merits of quoting references:

Department to probe why businessman remains free

PUTRAJAYA: The Immigration Department will investigate why Lebanese businessman Elie Youssef Najem remained free despite having overstayed his social visit pass.

“We will meet with the police and court officials soon over this matter,” department enforcement director Datuk Ishak Mohamed.

He said after checking Najem's passport number with department records, it was revealed that it had been impounded because of a pending court case.

“According to newspaper reports, he is currently free on bail of RM20,000. If that is true, the department cannot intervene in this matter,” he said when contacted yesterday.

Najem's social pass expired on Sept 21 last year.

Usually, those who overstay are held in the department's detention centres.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/11/nation/13076530&sec=nation

Jose Mourinho
11-01-2006, 01:04 PM
"imagine one day our countries leading media house, slapped with suits, police raids into their premises, sacking of directors and editors, and finally sending their shares in KLSE plummeting." oh they joy and sweetness!!

My one wish is to see one of our countries pioneering media house crash and burn over an error of reporting, this will be an alarm bell for rest of Malaysia's Media houses to report the truth.

Hopefully it will be the Lebanese Businessman (who ironically ina 1 in a million chance turns out to be innocent!) :D , than we will really have something to talk about! Although chances are slim that the Lebanese businessman is innocent, but i am still putting my bets on him that there is still light at the end of the tunnel.

Let the Billion dollar gate commence. Being Charitable proved to be this man's Waterloo!

I am actually curious about the whole thing. Dr Jessie Chung was also the talk of the forum. Why aren't you defending her?

:D

sirgalahad2010
11-01-2006, 01:16 PM
The news has spread to Spore, folks! Made the front cover of today's Spore New Paper .

A Latukship is not good enough for this guy. How's about making him a Man Sri ?

Just my 5 sen worth.

Nic_of_Time
11-01-2006, 01:24 PM
The guy got brain cancer.
Maybe some of the wires
got connected wrongly,
giving a wrong sense of grandeur.

Jose Mourinho
11-01-2006, 01:25 PM
Correction news from NST=== On media scepticism of his ’donation’: ‘Don’t they know that I helped Malaysia in the building of the Penang Bridge by extending US$2 billion (RM7.6 billion) to the main contractor?’=== ;)

He extended loans of $2billion not he owns the Penang Bridge.

In response to Aurora's comment on my post on the Penang Bridge. Correction from NST? Na. I read The Sun and it stated: "Three dozen reporters went to Dr Elie Youseef Najm's (pix) apartment to attend a hastily-called press conference which lasted two hours, during which he claimed, among others, that he owns Penang Bridge". The link is available here: http://sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=12535. That is, if The Sun's report was correct. Or for that matter, if NST's report was correct. We cannot be too careful nowadays and the only way to verify the accuracy is to get a taped conversation from the 'good doctor' himself. And even that he may still sue us for violation of privacy or that we use a faked and digitised voice. Gee.
:)

Jose Mourinho
11-01-2006, 01:37 PM
Sorry, Aurora. My posts were not meant to pick on you. I have always advocated that members post with sense and sensibility. But let's not go overboard with the libel suits and other form of intimidation. Peace.

:)

Jose Mourinho
11-01-2006, 01:59 PM
In The Star today, dated 11 January 2006:

"Meanwhile, Penang Chief Minister Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon said he was puzzled by Najem's claim that he had helped in the building of the Penang bridge by extending a US$2bil (RM 7.6bil) loan to the project's main contractor. He said it did not make sense because he would have been in his 20s then. “Moreover, the total bridge project cost was only about RM1.3bil,” he said. Dr Koh added that any funding for the project would have come under the purview of the Federal Government. “Even if the businessman is talking about the Penang second link, the highest estimate is only RM2.6bil. How could he claim to have extended a US$2bil loan?” Dr Koh said.

Umno Youth deputy chief Khairy Jamaluddin said trusting Malaysians end up being deceived. “It does not make sense. He declares that he is worth US$46.5bil (RM174.3bil). Even a schoolchild can see through that,” he told reporters after attending a Hari Raya Aidiladha sacrifice ceremony in Rantau near Seremban. Khairy urged any party, political or non-governmental organisations, to conduct thorough investigations if they were similarly approached by donors. “They should think twice or it will turn out to be an embarrassment. Malaysians are too easily deceived by sweet promises,” he added".

Link: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/11/nation/13076530&sec=nation

shali
11-01-2006, 02:25 PM
Umno Youth deputy chief Khairy Jamaluddin said trusting Malaysians end up being deceived. “It does not make sense. He declares that he is worth US$46.5bil (RM174.3bil). Even a schoolchild can see through that,” he told reporters after attending a Hari Raya Aidiladha sacrifice ceremony in Rantau near Seremban.


I don't see the point of all this. When I was in law practice, the US Embassy's Secret Service laughed off when I said I might have a counterfeit US Dollar with US$5 Million on a single dollar note, which was handed over to me by a client, for verification.

You see, if it's like an utter joke, nothing is actionable. It's design for that. Laughing. Unless you make a joke and someone happens to rely on it and suffers a lot as a result.

But if the 'joke' (from this guy) is so pervasive that it might affect the economic life of Malaysia, let him taste ISA. Period.

pcyeoh
11-01-2006, 03:57 PM
I agree with you shali. This guy opened his big mouth and let loose his cannons and so far he has hit many targets big, small and important. It is like this clown has just came into our town and seems to attract our people who should have better things to do than to engage this clown and worst of all answer him. It says no use talking to a idiot and even a greater fool rebutaling him. So far his victims are Farid Ariffin, Michael Chong, KJ (what? this fella also kah) the Health Minister, the Chief Minister of Penang, the Malaysian Press and TV, the Lebansese Embassy, the Immigration, the Police, the business community, his office staff and the list goes on. Can you imagine that one person who talked cock and sing song can hold the whole country at stake. So far the Lebanese Embassy is the only one handling the situation very well when the papers reported that the embassy refused to respond to press enquiries as to what transpired during the two-hour meeting they had with Dr Elie. The rest are sotong with the Chief Minister of Penang coming out first hands down when he argued so intelligently why it was not possible for Dr Elie to fund the Penang Bridge. Well done, Datuk Koh for convincingly discrediting the Lebanese businessman Elie Youssef Najem, the self-professed billionaire that he wons Penang Bridge!!

In the words of tupai, why are we all so silly too? He made us a fool and we are making ourselves bigger fools! Can't you see that his name itself says he is a liar. The acronymn is a combination of Hokkien and English which means "E = He lie = lies. Now get back to work all of you.

aurora97
11-01-2006, 11:29 PM
I am actually curious about the whole thing. Dr Jessie Chung was also the talk of the forum. Why aren't you defending her?

:D

Sorry Jose Mourinho, it's probably i was new in this forum. I think i join just recently in Jan 2006, but i am interested in looking into the article paste a link if possible and let me digest the issue at hand.

kevin23
11-01-2006, 11:57 PM
another con man! pls kick him out of the country

aurora97
12-01-2006, 12:40 AM
Sorry Jose Mourinho, it's probably i was new in this forum. I think i join just recently in Jan 2006, but i am interested in looking into the article paste a link if possible and let me digest the issue at hand.

The point is not whether to defend or to attack a person, i think as USJ.com grows, I would like to see more sophisticated forum. A forum based on intellectual (not random M16 tembak, or throw the "spana" in and see what happens.), more accurate, and also a more neutral tone (not to left wing, or right wing).

I had alot of fun thinking, typing and reasoning with myself (putting myself in their shoes, the ("what if they are innocent, possibility is always there".), this forum has truly been an eye opener (usually i join a forum like a few days and than drop out).

Must always remember:-
1. Most malaysian's are trigger happy especially the press (i like the edge though reports business, no "BS" local news which are either repetitive or untruthful, and not genuine at times- i feel rather discontented and cheated (the $1 i pay) by local newspapers.), when they see a person being charged say for example child rape. His face is plastered all over the front page. Majority of people will say the person is definately guilty, even the judge is probably influenced by the large amount of people outside the court house preparing to lynch the guilty as soon as verdict is passed; or the press could have biassed the mind indirectly when the judge picks up the newspaper in the morning (remember your life now depends on a single judge and no jury); or worse still by his mother + mother in-law Combo who screws him for cocking up the case and letting an accussed go.

A proper press should only report what has been mentioned via Official channels, and not going around digging up dirt (if you do it also, do it nicely-publish your story in one lump sum and not to get readers in a suspended mode just because you want readers to buy your newspaper 2molo).

After all this we come back to stories that remind us of miscarriage of justice and failure by the press to carry out their job, the abuse of the mighty pen!
1. Remember Squatting Gate?
2. "Birmingham Six" is one example of miscarriage of justice, Remember our country is based on one of the world finest Judicial System UK. But did this people became mere innocent bystanders to terrorist?

read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_(Birmingham_Six)

tupai
12-01-2006, 12:48 AM
BODOH all of us...he wins infamously. :mad:

yang amat bodoh banyak kali to follow this thread :mad:

aurora97
12-01-2006, 12:51 AM
BODOH all of us...he wins infamously. :mad:

yang amat bodoh banyak kali to follow this thread :mad:

Nolah sometimes for discussion purposes, we can chat about issues affecting our country. Be neutral is the best, some passing comments, we are currently exercising our Freedom of Speech because we are still infants in this area.

So cheer up!

USJ27Resident
12-01-2006, 01:03 AM
The guy got brain cancer.
Maybe some of the wires
got connected wrongly,
giving a wrong sense of grandeur.

Hmmmmm.... just out of curiosity,

How come the richest man on this side of the planet is seeking medical treatment in a Poliklinik Pudu :confused: instead of some high tech cancer private hospital....

Does he know something about this Poliklinik that we all don't know... :rolleyes:

On a serious note ! Why have the authorities not detain the fella and keep him with the rest of overstaying "tourists" at our Pusat Tahanan P.A.T.I -Semenyih.... :mad:

Duhhhhh!

wAISEKMAo
12-01-2006, 01:36 AM
Can you imagine that one person who talked cock and sing song can hold the whole country at stake.

You know what? I think you are right. one foreigner talked cock, the whole malaysia respond. we are butt of a joke in international community.

orchipalar
12-01-2006, 04:29 PM
Spotlight On Najem: Put a stop to his nonsense, says Chong
DENNIS CHUA
KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 12:
“Arrest this joker. He is taking Malaysians for a ride and we have had enough of his childish nonsense.”

MCA Public Services and Complaint Department head Datuk Michael Chong yesterday said it is time the country put a stop to Lebanese businessman Dr Elie Youseef Najem’s “nonsense”.

“He is talking nonsense just to gain cheap publicity every day. All his claims border on the ridiculous and he even slanders the police shamelessly.

“If he attempts to fool us and we put up with his nonsense, he can do the same to other countries. We have to stop him now.”

Chong said Najem’s claim that he loaned Malaysia RM7 billion for the construction of the Penang Bridge was ridiculous because he was only 25 when the bridge was completed in 1985, and it was impossible for him to be a billionaire at that age.

Chong also said the businessman’s claim that the police stole his wallet worth RM3,000, and later took US$2,700 (RM10,800) and RM5,000 from him was “criminal defamation”.

“It is the same with his claim that the police hired one Hazlina Yaakob to steal RM786,000 from him. If that is true, then she must have taken the money out in a gunny sack!”

Chong said international police were on the hunt for the businessman, and the media should stop giving him cheap publicity.

“I would not be surprised if his next move would be to withdraw his donation in aid of cancer patients in light of the bad publicity,” he said.

Najem first made the headlines last Saturday when he pledged RM1 billion for cancer research. Police later revealed that he is being sought by international police for a series of forgeries.

http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/MM/Thursday/National/20060112114858/Article/index_html

Err...MCA's Michael Chong...is saying that the 'billionaire' is seeking cheap publicity...

kwchang
12-01-2006, 05:07 PM
Aurora, I don't understand your hidden meaning in your last comment.
By the way, was it necessary to quote the whole post of Orchi's ? Same goes to all others who tend to do the same. Why can't you trim most of it off? Like here, I don't quote anything, just make a reference to the above statement. Simple?

aurora97
12-01-2006, 05:19 PM
Aurora, I don't understand your hidden meaning in your last comment.
By the way, was it necessary to quote the whole post of Orchi's ? Same goes to all others who tend to do the same. Why can't you trim most of it off? Like here, I don't quote anything, just make a reference to the above statement. Simple?

sorry about the last post, it was kinda bulky. I am kinda Newbie in forums, and thanks for pointing it out. My last msg has been retracted, and i will try as much as possible to cut down on the quotings.


Strange?? :confused: or am i just being hyper haven't sleep since 3am (look at my post, you will know what i mean)
about the last msg, i few like there's some connections between this forum and the newspaper.
like for example like what Orchi pointed out, Tupai came up with "stop giving publicity to the billlionaire," Next day on the newspaper, a McA politician starts telling newspaper to stop publishing this billionaire con man story? Coincidence or do we Malaysians think alike. --- Shorten Version of what i was implying KWChang. Just a hunch notting more.

kwchang
12-01-2006, 11:54 PM
Aurora,
I was suspecting that you were making that inference with the earlier question. I had to ask so that I clarified what you meant. To answer your query, I would say that a lot of people actually read this website. I am not surprised if reporters and columnists plough through our Forums to get ideas.

Did you people notice that after we had a thread on the unutilised 3C structure between SJ and Sunway, TheStar came up with a story complete with pictures after that? Was it coincidence? I think not.

Since this website is so widely scrutinised, my job is to ensure that none of you use seditious or racist remarks in your posts because we could be hauled up.

silver_bird
13-01-2006, 08:50 AM
New twist to Najem saga

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/13/nation/13102028&sec=nation

ALOR STAR: The marriage between self-professed billionaire Elie Youssef Najem and Farinnie Mohd Farid in 2004 could not have been solemnised by the imam stated in the marriage certificate.

That's because the iman died 10 years ago, said Kedah Islamic Religious Department head Datuk Sheikh Kassim Daud.

“We checked further and discovered that Najem was holding a forged certificate. Even the wedding venue was wrong and the serial number of the certificate belonged to another couple,” he said.

He said the department believed that the wedding certificate owned by Najem was produced by a syndicate that ran a “wedding operation” in the state.

“We will lodge a police report,” he told newsmen here yesterday.

IN KUALA LUMPUR, more people have approached MCA Public Services and Complaints Department head Datuk Michael Chong with complaints against Najem.

IT consultant S. Ravi claimed he was hired as an IT consultant last year with an offer of RM450,000 per annum. But he received only RM900 for three months' work.

Najem’s former landlord Hendra Wirawan Rusli claimed that Najem’s RM5,874 cheque for four months' rent bounced.

Another creditor John Lim said Najem reneged on payments for an order of Belgian chocolates that cost more than RM1,000.

Chong urged people to highlight problems in any dealings with Najem so that other Malaysians would not be duped by him.

Deputy Inspector-General of Police Datuk Seri Musa Hassan said police had been keeping tabs on Najem since last year.

“There were five reports against him last year and he was charged with three.

“The cases take time to investigate. I will call you all (the media) once we have completed our probe. We cannot do it in one day,” Musa said after launching the Fight Crime booklet at Kolej Bandar Utama here yesterday.
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Inspite of several Police report against this man for fraud, cheating etc since last year, why is he allowed to roam freely in the street ???

JackRyan1975
13-01-2006, 10:07 AM
New twist to Najem saga

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/13/nation/13102028&sec=nation

“We checked further and discovered that Najem was holding a forged certificate. Even the wedding venue was wrong and the serial number of the certificate belonged to another couple,” he said.

He said the department believed that the wedding certificate owned by Najem was produced by a syndicate that ran a “wedding operation” in the state.

“We will lodge a police report,” he told newsmen here yesterday.

Well, for goodness sake, why don't the authorities swoop in to his apartment and arrest the couple for khalwat or zina? Too busy busting couples holding hands in parks perhaps? Or need a formal report to be lodged first coz he's a billionaire?

Jose Mourinho
13-01-2006, 10:43 AM
Hopefully it will be the Lebanese Businessman (who ironically ina 1 in a million chance turns out to be innocent!) :D , than we will really have something to talk about! Although chances are slim that the Lebanese businessman is innocent, but i am still putting my bets on him that there is still light at the end of the tunnel.

:D You still want to bet?

aurora97
13-01-2006, 01:41 PM
:D You still want to bet?
For the love of GOD, I know there is a certain degree of findings of guilt but we must also give him an opportunity to ANSWER.

I believe in the RULE OF LAW, EVEry ONE IS INNOCENT until proven guilty in the court of LAW. Which sentence of LAW don't you not understand!!!

Imagine i put you on trial, and the media slaps the front page saying your guilty from beginning. Do i just follow what the media say or do you want me to execute my orders from the press, or do you want a fair trial.

Your randomly shooting people down Jose Mourinho, please do some careful thinking !!!! your really irritating me.

idolfan
13-01-2006, 01:46 PM
your really irritating me.

lmao.....need some laxative?

aurora97
13-01-2006, 01:48 PM
lmao.....need some laxative?
i think i do, sorry i just snapped, how unprofessional of me. Well business as usual.

JackRyan1975
13-01-2006, 02:15 PM
For the love of GOD, I know there is a certain degree of findings of guilt but we must also give him an opportunity to ANSWER.

I believe in the RULE OF LAW, EVEry ONE IS INNOCENT until proven guilty in the court of LAW. Which sentence of LAW don't you not understand!!!

Imagine i put you on trial, and the media slaps the front page saying your guilty from beginning. Do i just follow what the media say or do you want me to execute my orders from the press, or do you want a fair trial.

Your randomly shooting people down Jose Mourinho, please do some careful thinking !!!! your really irritating me.

Aurora,

All he asked is if you're still game on betting on the guy's innocence. Nowhere did he say in his latest post that the Lebanese is conclusively guilty.

Can you please read carefully before spewing your textbook replies? I've had three long posts of lambasting from you in this thread, and I hope you can spare others your vitriol.

aurora97
13-01-2006, 05:04 PM
Aurora,

All he asked is if you're still game on betting on the guy's innocence. Nowhere did he say in his latest post that the Lebanese is conclusively guilty.

Can you please read carefully before spewing your textbook replies? I've had three long posts of lambasting from you in this thread, and I hope you can spare others your vitriol.

Indirectly his implying it, i am here for discussion gooshh... i explained so many times. Here is my quote from the Students allowed to carry cellphones to school:

"Please for god's sake, if you got nothing to contribute to the forum just sit down quietlylah. I just want some opinion, to correct my views only. Any opinion can lean both ways, if its wrong than i apologize and i will step down from my stance.

If i offended you in anyway, i apologize but otherwise just play along and lets be friends. If i am wrong point it out, don't imply or hint it to me, i am not as smart/intelligent.

I appreciate Sunwaykid's explanation, i think i got a bit of my examples wrong maybe somewhere along the line. Yet we have to reason and meat out the problem, so we learn from mistake."

Don't just shot me down and call me naive, food, idiot, give me reasons please, i am willing to learn from them. Please all the rebukes you made on me, i also did offer in return replies in defence and also apologize.

I can accept occassional teasing, but the level of sarcasm has reach from friendly to hostile. No single view is correct to this issue, only GOD knows the answer, we are neither intelligent beings but we are at the mercy of greater unseen powers around us. Therefore, even my text book replies could be right/wrong. A reply of an answer can be in various forms, and we need not be robotic and all think alike or worse everyone has to follow your thinking. (The word "LAME"-"Pardon the french i used" at the end of this sentence has been retracted, and an apologie to the person affected.)

I am new in this forum, if you think firmly that i have indeed written rubbish instead of any worthy opinion of your taste. Please ask the moderator to adjudicate on this matter. I am willing to accept the consequence, on top of that a personal apologie from me in which i will withdraw from this forum. I've been here only 4 days ++ any so much contraversy sigh...

JackRyan1975
13-01-2006, 05:18 PM
Don't just shot me down and call me naive, food, idiot, give me reasons please, i am willing to learn from them. Please all the rebukes you made on me, i also did offer in return replies in defence and also apologize.

I can accept occassional teasing, but the level of sarcasm has reach from friendly to hostile. No single view is correct to this issue, only GOD knows the answer, we are neither intelligent beings but we are at the mercy of greater unseen powers around us. Therefore, even my text book replies could be right/wrong. A reply of an answer can be in various forms, and we need not be robotic and all think alike or worse everyone has to follow your thinking "LAME".

Please do not defame me. I never called you the names above. But instead you called me "lame".

Well...no hard feelings for me...you're just making a spectacle of yourself here. I will disengage from you here with this post. Take care.

aurora97
13-01-2006, 05:21 PM
Please do not defame me. I never called you the names above. But instead you called me "lame".

Well...no hard feelings for me...you're just making a spectacle of yourself here. Take care.

ASK for adjudication by Moderator, i don't want to add any further comments to this mattter so as to inflame this matter further. I am extremely fustrated now, the only thing i have been doing since this morning is trying to defend my reputation(if any)! Jose and Jackryan1975, i would like to request for the moderator to Adjudicate.

kwchang
13-01-2006, 11:55 PM
OK, what is the problem?

My observations -

= in #26, aurora told jackryan off for saying Elie's wife is Farid's daughter without any concrete proof

= in #31, jackryan apologised and retracted his wrong presumption. Perhaps no one read that?

= in #53, aurora said that there is a probability that Elie is innocent. Nothing is personal yet, just general statements. OK, I can go with that, it is Aurora's point of view and is entitled to that.

= in #64, jose smiled and asked "you still want to bet?" - a simple comment in my view. Playing around with words since aurora mentioned "chance in a million" and a game of chance is to bet. Perhaps this was the trigger point that made aurora take offence...

= in #65, aurora said "Your randomly shooting people down Jose Mourinho, please do some careful thinking !!!! your really irritating me." - that I think is the start of the conflagaration. My point of view here is that aurora took offence to jose's comment in #64.

Was jose's question loaded? I tried to view it that way but I can't agree that it was offensive. Sorry, aurora, you reacted badly here. #64 IS the crucial point. After that hell's gates were opened and you people slugged it out while I was offline. No need to elaborate on the rest of the arguements.

Disclaimer - I am not siding jose here. My stand is that aurora got sensitive to one simple poke. I guess jose and jackryan started to pick on aurora after that. It happens all the time on this forum. One spark is all that was needed. I do notice that aurora apologised for snapping but it may not have been picked up by jose and jackryan.

= At #69, aurora also made a link to the henfon (hey, I like that name) thread..I am not going to read that, too much for me at one go. It appears that there were already some tension there as well and it got carried over here, am I right?

What can I say here? I hope the interested parties do read up to this point because I know a lot of people would have skipped this by now. OK, I will tell you 3 to make peace. All of you are over sensitive. At some point you all got personal, either here or in another thread. I am not going to bother with the cronology of it all. I don't care who called who names. The basic rule is NOT to get personal. Some of you or all of you did so....

My advice

aurora, please don't jump. Maybe you did not get enough sleep last night. Next time, please count to ten or go to another thread. Cool off. It is not worth it getting angry with negative comments from others. in a debate or forum there wil be commentators who don't agree with you. Accept that fact.

jose, from my observations, you have your points of view and like to stand by it. You also tend to dislike people who disagree. unfortunately, that don't work here.

jackryan, what can i say? perhpas you were still sore with aurora? or were you fed up with the way that aurora carried on with the arguements? I could sense that you couldn't take any more of aurora's "textbook replies" - that's what you said in #68.

verdict
Don't get personal. Debate your point of view but avoid getting sensitive to opposing comments. This is not an arena. There will be no prizes. So why so serious my friends? I agree that some people get irked when they see a smart alec hoarding the pulpit. Aurora and Jose, remember not to hog the stage OK? Take a break once in a while. you people do need to go make a drink or go pee don't you? Take breathers and let others comment. I think that was the crux of the matter here.

nuff said !!

aurora97
14-01-2006, 02:17 AM
Exibit AThe message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters.
Sorry! The administrator has specified that users can only post one message every 60 seconds.

Yang Arif if I may,
no doubt it has been a very well thought through decision, before Yang Arif came to a conclusion. However, Yang Arif the sentence does not equate to the offence committed. A one minute cooling of period before posting (hereinafter, Exhibit A), the sentence is abit too harsh. I suggest to Yang Arif to re-consider, and also to take into account mitigating factors i.e. i am a Newbie in a forum, and also your sentence i think got buglah. ;) Yang Arif should consider a lesser punishment, rather than having a detterance sentence, I suggest that Yang Arif give a binding over because it is defendant's first offence. Furthermore, Yang Arif failed to mention the duration of the sentence. Yang Arif, i motion to amend the sentence meated out, so that the defendant is given an opportunity to rehabilitate.

Yang Arif i rest my case. :)

Teeque
14-01-2006, 03:07 AM
Wah haha...yang arif kwchang, since when u got promoted ar? Dun pray pray man...Policeman...the Judge...and jury oso...hehe.

I think the rules of this forum applies to all whether newbie, oldbie, come back frm the dead or just born in this world. Its a sort of a Constitution for this forum. So, if you are here, then adhere to it. If you find it unfair or dont like it, then leave (macam Noh says). The sentence? You all got off lightly man. Otherwise, have you all tried your hands in banana planting?

JackRyan1975
14-01-2006, 09:57 AM
jackryan, what can i say? perhpas you were still sore with aurora? or were you fed up with the way that aurora carried on with the arguements? I could sense that you couldn't take any more of aurora's "textbook replies" - that's what you said in #68.


Thank you Chang for taking the time to trace and moderate our comments. Although I have intended to leave this thread for good, I noticed that you were giving me the benefit of the doubt by asking about my intentions, rather than laying down your judgement on me. I appreciate that and compelled me to respond out of respect.

Am I still sore with aurora? I am sure you have looked at most, if not all, of the posts in this thread. Despite being lambasted by Aurora and with the threats of lawsuits coming my way by the "newbie" (in his/her own words) just for wrongly assuming Farinnie is Farid's daughter, I have asked Aurora to cool down and hold fire. As you rightly pointed out, I apologised for the wrong assumption. You would have noticed I went on to other things without engaging Aurora. I only responded based on Aurora's increasingly irrational (in my view) postings but apparently that irked him/her and perhaps a voice in his/her head said that JackRyan called Aurora names such "food" and "idiot". Never have I resorted to namecalling at that level and it is damaging to my character for Aurora to post such lies and mislead readers.

Was I fedup with the way Aurora carried on with the arguments? Honestly, I was disturbed with the number of exclamation marks used by Aurora in response to comments in most threads, and the tendency to talk down to forummers with standard textbook materials. It is not wrong to quote textbooks, but very often it is out of context, in my opinion. However, being fedup (or not) is a choice of the reader, who chooses what to read, and the state of mind the reader is in.

The above is in response to you, Chang. I will not respond further to any counter arguments by Aurora. But to Aurora, I'm sorry if you have been made to feel unwelcome in this forum. Newbie or not, same rules apply to you and to me, so let's enjoy this forum together. Cheers.

Jose Mourinho
14-01-2006, 10:32 AM
Thank you, Kwchang. I accepted your findings and I will abide by decisions. The job of a moderator is not easy and you have done a good job. I mean it and you will always have my respect.

However, please permit me to just say something and I will leave this issue alone. The word 'dislike' is rather strong (to me anyway) because I never really dislike anybody in my life let along people online whom I have never met. I have my own views (you rightly pointed that out) and I tend to stick to them (you also rightly pointed that out) but I would like to see the whole thing as I disagree with certain posts rather than disliking or even disagreeing with the person who posts. I have been polite throughout and I do apologise if people read implications into my posts that I have been trying to flame people. As you so rightly pointed out, my comment of 'want to bet?' to Aurora was actually in good humour but perhaps this is online and since people cannot read expressions, we have to be more careful with our choice of words.

I know that many are supportive of Buster's 'good work' but I never attempt to lambast them (as Aurora has done to me!). Orchipalar is a strong advocate of Buster in the thread. I commended him for it and I respected his view. I hold the same respect for all others, including Buster. Buster started getting out of control after I posted in support of you (I wasn't supporting you but supporting your view because it was also my view) to close the thread. If people were to go back to my posts to Buster. I have been courteous. But if people chooses to read implications, then I think that is rather unfair. Every single post by every single member can be made and viewed to have implications if we choose to read them that way. It is all in the heart, you see. The pure heart reads no implication and stays true.

Aurora. I have nothing against you. Peace. And to Kwchang, thank you once again. Peace be with you.

Pak Kadok
14-01-2006, 10:37 AM
Mr KW Chang,

Would I get a Cavendish banana if I were to tell you that "argueing" should be spelt as "arguing?!" ;)

aurora97
14-01-2006, 12:51 PM
Teeque, Jackryan 1975, Jose Mourinho
I got nothing to add to all your comments, i saw "sessions court" in KWchang's post as the subject title so i decided to be more informal regarding the minta ampun part and for a lesser sentence. Today i got enough sleep, probably last few days some wires were a bit loose or got out from the wrong side of my bed (*i think only got one side- cause the otherside is a wall). No matter you dislike or like or anything, i still hold out the olive branch + in addition will throw in some white pigeons from cages. kekeke... Middle East Conflict not yet settled, but i think as for me its done. tata & cheers!

Hans Solo
14-01-2006, 04:58 PM
I understand from some associates that they are more Najems type running around in our countries. God knows how many Malaysians has been duped. While there are many genuine Middle Easterners business people in our midst but the crooked ones has been thriving, we Malaysians have to be alert that not all these people are here with billions. I am sure there are many many more local businesses and shops who are not able to collect their money from sales to these dishonest ME. I still can't believe that these contractors and smart businessmen would extend a few hundred thousand credit to these foreigners who are new to the country. Must have been tempted by high margin and profit. :confused:
My advice is, be smart, alert, Cash is King. :p