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fonzie
05-01-2006, 08:57 PM
Hi,

Anyone owns/have experiences with DVD video recorders..? I wonder if these models are good...

1. Pioneer DVD-633H-S.
2. Panasonic DVD-S77.
3. JVC MH30.

My needs are (so far) :-

1. Record from TV. May consider also from VCRs...
2. Universal or most CD formats compatibility.
3. Sufficient harddisk space - 80GB onwards.
4. Price not too exorbitant - say, below 3K ?

Any other information is most welcome...

Cheers!
FonZie

patrick
05-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Panasonic recorders used to run on the DVD-Ram format. Not popular format. No one else uses that.

Pioneer is ok. Dont know about price tho.

I use Sharp with 80 gig hard disk. Recording from TV, Astro and tape is not a problem. But you cant record from a commercially produced disk into the HD. It's lock protected. But no problem if you are recording from your handy cam or own recorded VCR.

For below 3k, you should have problem finding a recorder with 80 gig. Perhaps you may even be able to get one with 160 gig. I bought mine more than a year ago and I think the prices now would have dropped quite a bit.

Rgds.

SunwayKid
06-01-2006, 10:04 AM
Check out this site.........you will find the reviews from all sources of the units you mentioned in particular and what to look for in a recorder.

http://www.dvdrecorderworld.com/reviewlist.php

fonzie
06-01-2006, 01:38 PM
Thanks Patrick and SunwayKid for the info...

However...still requires feedback on the 3 models I listed....

On another note: Could some-one guide me through the DVD "jungle" - the dash and plus in R and RW...?

Which DVD disks brands to buy locally for compatibility with most DVD players?

Cheers!
FonZie

silver_bird
06-01-2006, 02:13 PM
For budget enthusiast, it's worth considering GC 7725 DVD Recorder

1. Built-in TV Tuner with Timer (Max 6 hrs on EP mode)
2. Dual Format : DVD + / - (latest model)
3. No Hard disk
4. RM 588 (Carrefour promo)

Verdict :
Value-for-money DVD Recorder
Clear Rec & playback
Good Tech Support & Service

SunwayKid
06-01-2006, 02:18 PM
.................
On another note: Could some-one guide me through the DVD "jungle" - the dash and plus in R and RW...?

Which DVD disks brands to buy locally for compatibility with most DVD players?


Major DVD formats are DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW and DVD-RAM. All you have to remember is that W means reWritable i.e. you can record more than once onto the same disc and that the + and - varieties are not compatible. You must ensure that your recorder can accomodate both + and - varieties. Older DVD players can only play the - variety whereas newer ones can play both. That is why at times, you can't play "ahem" DVDs in your older DVD players. :)

DVD-RAM discs are double-sided and have a greater capacity. They also allow 'time-shifting', watching the beginning of a recording while still recording the end, pausing live TV etc. DVD-RAM discs will not usually play back in a standard DVD player, or a DVD player on a PC.

Brands does not matter - just go for a grade A disk. There are various speeds.......+4x, +8x and +16x. This refers to the recording speed on the disks. The higher it is, it gets more expensive and the recording process would be faster. As a guide, 100 pieces of OEM DVD-R or DVD+R (4x speed) should cost less than RM100. I bought mine at PC Fair for RM80- 100 pieces / 4x (Mitsubishi OEM).

For the DVD recorder, don't stinch, go for one with Hard Disk.

chin_wan
06-01-2006, 05:09 PM
I don't have DVD recorders but I use PC to record my TV shows. Here's what I do.

I buy a PC with like huge HDD size around 300GB. Then buy a TV card and plug my Astro to my TV card. On that PC, I have a DVD-RW. ;-) It's ala TiVo.

leewinnie46
06-01-2006, 09:12 PM
chin wan,

I have a pc and tv with astro, how do I record some astro channel with my pc ?
any suggestion how to split the signal so I don't have to have second decoder from astro.

In fact, my kid in at the living hall watching playhouse disney, mother - in - law would like watching chinese channel and husband want international news but in law only watch 1 month and disappear 2 months whereby my husband only watch at night or weekend

Can anyone suggest other than subscribe another 2 unit of decoder.....

utellme
07-01-2006, 03:44 PM
I just bought Samsung R121 DVD recorder (no harddisk) two months ago from Singapore and the DVD recorder come with a free DVD-RAM disk.
Got it from harvey norman S'pore and paid SGD $260 for it , quite happy with the recording quality and also bought 10 pieces of TDK DVD-RW disk for SGD $26 from Simlim IT.

I mainly use for recording some favorite programme in AXN Astro and I don't see the needs to paid 2.5K just for 80GB DVD recorder, IMO. :)

Zimon
07-01-2006, 05:30 PM
Similar to Utellme's Samsung R121 dvd recorder, mine is the Sony DVDirect VRD VC-20. its a dvd recorder ( + or - ) with S-video, RCA jacks, USB and firewire.

If you plug in with S-video or RCA jacks, it acts as a dvd recorder (choice of High quality , standard or extended play up to 6 hrs) I can record from astro, or my old trusty VCR or my CCTV. If I connect direct to my DVD player I can make copies of any DVD disk/ movies. It has a record and pause/stop button, which means I can record any part of any dvd movies. And I can make multiple session (at different days) on plain dvd-r so as long as when i stop, I dont 'finalise" it until I am at the end of the 4.7gig. If I use dvd-rw or dvd+rw its cheaper..... and If I hook it on my computer using the USB , i can double up as external dvd rom or dvd burner and if I hook the firewire to my digital video cam, I can back up my video shots. It cost abt a third of most branded DVD Recorders. Google it for more info.

I would not pay a high price for a dedicated DVD recorder with dvd ram blah blah blah...when there is practically nothing much worth recording from astro.. you get all the repeats anyway until 2020.

fonzie
07-01-2006, 06:29 PM
Thanks guys for the info...

My interest in this DVD recorder matter came about when I was researching on what's next after the demise of the VCR. I was impressed when a DVD unit with hardddisk inside was demonstrated to me...

Now that you have pointed out just a DVD player (minus the HD) with recording features is also a better option...well...the mind is now in two places...!

Thanks anyway for the heads up...!

On the same note, guys: whatiis then the main difference between a recorder without a HD and one with HD?

Cheers!
FonZie

SunwayKid
07-01-2006, 09:07 PM
.......
On the same note, guys: whatiis then the main difference between a recorder without a HD and one with HD?FonZie

Recording on discs is a great thing, and canít be beat if youíre the type to archive or share your video collection, but for taking down off-air broadcasts, itís pretty limiting compared to the hard disk.

The linearity of DVD-RW means that once a disk is finalised, you canít record on a disc without recording over the original content. If it is not finalised, you will have difficulty in playing over most DVD players.

And if youíre into multiple session recordings in a single day, you have to monitor proceedings, as well as keep discs handy for changeover. And if you are away for a period of time, how much recording can you store on a disc compared against a hard disk.

You could use VR mode and max it out so you donít have to sit around, but the HD allows you all that without compromising on the pix quality. With the HD, you can record on Fine mode and get away with a continuous whole dayís recording worth 24 hours, and still have space left over. Best of all, you can choose what you want to keep, edit the necessary for storage on a DVD-R/RW and move on.

With the HD, you have the ability to copy over content to a DVD-R/RW.The facility is pretty quick and stable, and working out a one-hour Fine mode recording on to a DVD-R takes about 15 mins at a 4x writespeed (30 mins for a DVD-RW).

Final word is, if you can afford it, go for the HD, if you can't, just wait until the price drop for HD recorder. It makes all the difference.

patrick
07-01-2006, 10:47 PM
I agree with Sunway Kid. Go for HD. I never regretted it. To me, without the HD, my recorder would be quite obsolete. Imagine with one disk, I can only record 2hours on Standard Play. That's just enough for 1 football match. When I am away for a whole week, I record plenty of EPL matches to catch up when I get back. Thanks to my HD!! Go for hard disk, I strongly suggest.

kwchang
07-01-2006, 10:57 PM
Did you guys see an advert in the papers yesterday? They now have a video camera with a harddisk. No need to use other formats like tape, VCD or DVD. I think the hardisk is the way to go because of its cost effectiveness - large storage, rewriteable and of course very fast.

satish
08-01-2006, 12:03 AM
I just went and bought a GC DVD recorder from Carrefour for RM599.
It can record onto DVD +-R as well as DVDRW :)
Tried recording..quality looks good.
Sjaya Branch did not have this set..I bought it from Sri Petaling outlet.
CHeers

patrick
08-01-2006, 02:12 PM
Did you guys see an advert in the papers yesterday? They now have a video camera with a harddisk. No need to use other formats like tape, VCD or DVD. I think the hardisk is the way to go because of its cost effectiveness - large storage, rewriteable and of course very fast.

Not new what Chang. Came out a few months ago. Obviously you missed the launch. I think it was JVC who first launched theirs. But I found that after a few years of using video camera, that I dont really find it practical. Shooting video takes too much of time when you are on holiday and one tend to miss a long of the happenings. One is always screwed on the view finder. After shooting tons of video, most people got no time to really watch them. For me, I still find it more practical with still shots. I suppose video camera would be good for people who want to capture their kids growing up so that one day they get to see how cute or how silly they were as children.

Further more when on holiday, I find it burdensome carrying a few cameras, video camera, pda, mp3 etc...and the video camera is always the bulkiest. No more, thank you!

patrick
08-01-2006, 02:13 PM
I just went and bought a GC DVD recorder from Carrefour for RM599.
It can record onto DVD +-R as well as DVDRW :)
Tried recording..quality looks good.
Sjaya Branch did not have this set..I bought it from Sri Petaling outlet.
CHeers

Aiyoh...Satish..no Hard disk no shiok lah! I still strongly recommend that one buys dvd recorder WITH a HD. From my personal experience.

satish
08-01-2006, 07:49 PM
Patrick,
No diff ma..this set can be programmed to start recording at certain
times..up tp a max of 6 programmes.
just like a VHS tape recorder..so no need for hard disk..
:)
Set is imported by anak syarikat TM..Gelombang Cekal..
after sales service..s***hot!.
They repaired my other Karaoke DVD player set while I waited..
;)
Best part..RM599..also it plays disc with progressive scan mode! :cool:

utellme
09-01-2006, 11:44 AM
Patrick,
No diff ma..this set can be programmed to start recording at certain
times..up tp a max of 6 programmes.
just like a VHS tape recorder..so no need for hard disk..
:)
Set is imported by anak syarikat TM..Gelombang Cekal..
after sales service..s***hot!.
They repaired my other Karaoke DVD player set while I waited..
;)
Best part..RM599..also it plays disc with progressive scan mode! :cool:
Good buy, RM599 for basic DVD-Recorder. for those who what to have more hours recording and cheap solution, u can go for this option. very flexible & portable.

1. TV card - RM250 (new) & RM150 (2nd hard)
2. Normal IDE 80GB hardisk - RM200 (New) and RM100 (2ndhard)
3. Sarotech AIvx multimedia player - RM350 (New)

http://www.sarotech.com/english/cgi/pd.cgi?cmd=view&rno=15

I using 1 + 2 + DVD writer, before I bought my Samsung R121 Recorder.

patrick
09-01-2006, 11:29 PM
Patrick,
No diff ma..this set can be programmed to start recording at certain
times..up tp a max of 6 programmes.
just like a VHS tape recorder..so no need for hard disk..
:)
Set is imported by anak syarikat TM..Gelombang Cekal..
after sales service..s***hot!.
They repaired my other Karaoke DVD player set while I waited..
;)
Best part..RM599..also it plays disc with progressive scan mode! :cool:

Bruder! You may be able to set 6 programmes. But plse remember your disk only only record 2 hours on SP and 4 hours on LP. So if your programmes last an hour each, you need at least 6 hours. How are you going to change a new disk??????Think again!!! ;-)

silver_bird
10-01-2006, 01:15 AM
Patrick : Bruder! You may be able to set 6 programmes. But plse remember your disk only only record 2 hours on SP and 4 hours on LP. So if your programmes last an hour each, you need at least 6 hours. How are you going to change a new disk??????Think again!!! ;-)


GC 7725 DVD Recorder :-
One DVD Disk can record 6 hrs on EP+ Mode

User's Manual - Page 4 :
HQ - High Quality - 60 mins
SP - Standard Play - 120 mins
LP - Long Play - 180 mins
EP - Extended Play - 240 mins
EP+ - Super Long Play - 360 mins

patrick
10-01-2006, 02:06 AM
Yeah but on extended play recording, the quality is erghhhhh...especially if you start slowing down or speeding it up. No thank you. Maximum I record is on std. I use EP only in real desperate situation.

silver_bird
10-01-2006, 08:22 AM
Patrick : Yeah but on extended play recording, the quality is erghhhhh...especially if you start slowing down or speeding it up.

Although there difference between HQ, SP, LP etc, you'll be amaze to see playback of EP+ recording of GC 7725 which is better than VCR rec on SP mode. The important factor is digital input like DVD or Astro program. Try & get Carrefour ppl to demo for accurate assessment of EP rec/playback and a fair comment on GC 7725.

Btw, what is meant by, "slowing down & speeding it up" ?
If it's "Rewind" or "Fast-forward, what has that got to do with DVD (digital)video ? Unless we're referring to playback of analogue audio signal on different speed.

fonzie
10-01-2006, 10:55 AM
I agree with Patrick that a recorder with harddisk is a better option than one without....

I was hooked on this DVD recorder thingy mainly because of the coming World Cup and the next Olympics in Beijing. Because of the time difference (Germany is 7 hours behind), those matches would be telecast in the wee hours of the morning.

During the group matches stage, there would be 3 matches daily - at 1500hrs, 1800hrs and 2100hrs....so add 7 hours and you get an idea why it is called "gila bola"...;)- We have a day job and mouths to feed, you know...;)..!!

In the Round 16 and Quarter-final stage, there would be 2 matches daily at 1700hrs and 2100hrs. The semis and 3rd placing start at 2100hrs and the finals at 2000hrs..

Having a sufficient big HD would be nice rather than a portable disk whereby we don't know how long a match may last. Also a device with HD offers a lot more editing options. I could blank out the commercials, mark the goal scoring scenes so that one can just view the goals only, if one requires, rather than sit through a "boring" match, set the timer.....these being some of the better options of a HD recorder...

Happy "gila bola"...!!!

Cheers!
FonZie

utellme
10-01-2006, 11:36 AM
I agree with Patrick that a recorder with harddisk is a better option than one without....

I was hooked on this DVD recorder thingy mainly because of the coming World Cup and the next Olympics in Beijing. Because of the time difference (Germany is 7 hours behind), those matches would be telecast in the wee hours of the morning.

During the group matches stage, there would be 3 matches daily - at 1500hrs, 1800hrs and 2100hrs....so add 7 hours and you get an idea why it is called "gila bola"...;)- We have a day job and mouths to feed, you know...;)..!!

In the Round 16 and Quarter-final stage, there would be 2 matches daily at 1700hrs and 2100hrs. The semis and 3rd placing start at 2100hrs and the finals at 2000hrs..

Having a sufficient big HD would be nice rather than a portable disk whereby we don't know how long a match may last. Also a device with HD offers a lot more editing options. I could blank out the commercials, mark the goal scoring scenes so that one can just view the goals only, if one requires, rather than sit through a "boring" match, set the timer.....these being some of the better options of a HD recorder...

Happy "gila bola"...!!!

Cheers!
FonZie

But price different between DVD recorder with harddisk and without hardisk is a lot woh.
GC DVD recorder (without HD) - <RM600
any branded DVD recorder - > RM2000

patrick
11-01-2006, 06:55 PM
Ok DVD recorder fans. Dig this.... Was in Plaze Low Yatt yesterday. Liteon DVD Recorder Liteon LVW 5045 comes with 160 GBHDD! It's touted as "Semua Boleh" and claims to to World's 1st "All Write" Technology!! Support playback DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-R/RW. DVD-ROM! Wow....But better still. Recording media suport: DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-R/RW! Can copy from HDD to Disc and vice versa! Comes with built in TV tuner, IEEE1394/Firewire connection. The rest are about standard. But looks good so far as the specs goes. Maybe you all should take a look at this. Oh..most important...RSP RM1999. I am sure with some bargain, should be able to get it down.

chin_wan
13-01-2006, 06:07 PM
chin wan,

I have a pc and tv with astro, how do I record some astro channel with my pc ?
any suggestion how to split the signal so I don't have to have second decoder from astro.

In fact, my kid in at the living hall watching playhouse disney, mother - in - law would like watching chinese channel and husband want international news but in law only watch 1 month and disappear 2 months whereby my husband only watch at night or weekend

Can anyone suggest other than subscribe another 2 unit of decoder.....

Sorry I missed your post earlier. Did you manage to get astro to play on your PC? Like in your monitor? If so then you are half way there. The software that come with the TV card should have a recorder which you can use.

Did you know that you can hook the conventional "antenna" cable to your PC and also use the other "yellow" video out cable for your TV? That way you just need 1 decoder for 2 output.

patrick
13-01-2006, 06:31 PM
All the points made by fonzie is certainly relevant and is just about some of the things I do!! And yes...without your hard disk, your DVD cannot fulfill your desires for the coming World Cup. No way. Are you going to get up in the middle of the night to change a new disk? Otherwise after recording 1 or 2 matches, your disk is full!! What then??

I happen to be gila bola too. Sooo the hard disk is going to prevent me from going gila!! Heh..heh!! I am all ready for the coming world cup with my DVD recorder.... GOAL!!!!!!!!!!! Now only need to try and get an LCD TV if possible before the World Cup. That would be great !!!

lookman
16-01-2006, 09:48 PM
Agree with you on the need for a hard disk DVD recorder.

Am working in S'pore but travel back on weekends. Bought a no name JV Lab DMR-6020 .... with 80 GB hard disk ... for SGD 399.

Since will be in S'pore during World Cup .. plan to use it for it.

When my project is done, sometime in August , will need to figure out how to bring it back home .....

leewinnie46
17-01-2006, 09:11 PM
Sorry I missed your post earlier. Did you manage to get astro to play on your PC? Like in your monitor? If so then you are half way there. The software that come with the TV card should have a recorder which you can use.

Did you know that you can hook the conventional "antenna" cable to your PC and also use the other "yellow" video out cable for your TV? That way you just need 1 decoder for 2 output.
chin wan,

do you mean tv card ?

chin_wan
19-01-2006, 11:29 AM
Yes...TV card.

satish
20-01-2006, 02:39 PM
Carrefour having Special Offer..today nn tomm only..
the GC DVD Recorder (which I paid RM599 3 weeks ago..now being
sold for RM549!..
Grab it if you are still interested! :D

utellme
22-01-2006, 11:14 PM
just came back from HK this evening, bought 2 pieces of imation brand 9.4 GByte DVD RAM disc from Sam shui poh (Aplip street computer centre). one piece cost at HK$34 and can do 8 hrs recording at LP quality now.

All the blank DVD-RW and DVD+RW disc also very cheap, TDK brand DVD-RW 4X speed 10 pieces for HK$64 and Sony brand DVD+RW 4X speed at HK$70. each