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sirgalahad2010
04-01-2006, 08:36 AM
Yikes!

Dr Balwant Singh Bains, who runs physiotherapy clinics in KL for stroke patients, as quoted in a Bernaman report: "Unless we change our lifestyle, especially the teh tarik culture, the occurrence of stroke in the next generation is going to be very, very high indeed. Today, stroke is taking a very big toll on our society. Malaysia is the only country where condensed milk is highly used in tea-drinking and condensed milk has a very high sugar content".

To be fair, the good doctor also fingered high meat consumption as another major cause of stroke.

Sigh...looks like I have to give up my morning teh tarik/roti canai fix at Devi's Corner, Mont'Kiara when I am in KL. It used to be at Akbar Shah in Bangsar, before they closed shop.

What are the alternatives: a healthier Indian-style teh tarik, made with fresh cow's milk and no sugar, at Saravana Bhavan/Bangsar or Sri Pandi/PJ? No kick, lah! :(

Anyone for making roti canai with olive oil and grilled instead of deep-fried? Methinks I spot a goldmine here!

Harmony
04-01-2006, 09:54 AM
Come on la... don't just blame the teh tarik alone.... it's our entire lifestyle matters... my dad has been drinking teh with condensed milk (that's why I know no other brand than susu cap junjung, until they stopped producing this product a few years ago :( and have now reverted to F&N) nearly all his lifetime and he's now going on 83 years. But in his younger days he never sat still.... always doing something after work (he was a teacher) be it gardening, carpentary, community service, etc..

So forumers out there, don't despair.... go ahead and enjoy the monthly teh tarik session (though I have not joined, thus far :p ...)

alexhay
04-01-2006, 10:03 AM
yeah i agree with Harmony...Teh Tarik session is a healthy event where we meet up with friends to catch up with their situation...

We cannot blame on the milk alone itself, there is other factors that will contribute to stroke also.....

so come on, lets have teh tarik this Friday, so anyone bring some old games such as old maid, happy family, snap and etc ??

ksj_cool
04-01-2006, 10:04 AM
I think we Malaysian eat and drink too much!!! The bad part is not teh tarik or any other bewerage, it's the sugar content. Too much sugar will make you diabetic and further push up yr BP. Fresh tea is good for health, drink it with very little sugar or no sugar at all and it will make healthier because it cuts off colestrol. Nescafe/Cofee bring more problems like irregular heart beat etc, so don't take too much coffee. Only two cups of tea or coffee allowed with sugar.

If you are a sportsman, go ahead and eat normally but should you be doing a desk job with very little time for excercise please watch your diet friends! 20 mins of exercise daily will give you 10-20% health improvement.

hudson chia
04-01-2006, 10:53 AM
Since teh tarik is a threat, take chinese or japanese green tea loh. But the best is still plain water.

orchipalar
04-01-2006, 11:54 AM
Err...met up with a couple of seasoned forumers last night for the regular cuppa TT...as Orchi got there earlier...it was late n Orchi felt a tinch of sleepiness...so Orchi ordered a glass of kopi-o ice...which was rare thing to happen...n the mamak looked at Orchi one kind...

Then the first thing when the boyz came...one of them noticed that Orchi was drinking kopi-o ice instead...so they started firing Orchi what..."Orchi takut mati kar...kia si ar?"...:D

Pak Kadok
04-01-2006, 12:18 PM
What about the presence of the artificial coloring that is usually found in tea-dust (usually tea-tarik vendors use this as tea-dust is cheaper)?

silver_bird
04-01-2006, 12:47 PM
More Younger Malaysians Prone To Stroke
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news.php?id=173632

sirgalahad2010
04-01-2006, 01:16 PM
Incidentally, most mamak stalls use this awful stuff called "creamer" instead of condensed milk.

Ever look at the nutritional content of "creamer"? Most of it is hydrogenated palm oil - a major source of trans fats. And that's a big dietary no-no.

Why use "creamer"? Because its cheap, and Msians want their teh tarik cheap and sweet!

And the pharmaceutical companies selling diabetic and hypertension drugs are laughing all the way to the bank! :mad:

alexhay
04-01-2006, 01:33 PM
Some points from http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news.php?id=173632

1) Another factor is the very high meat consumption among Malaysians.

Hello ?? Westerners also a heavy meat eater and we do not hear anything about them.

2) "We are very heavy meat-eaters, no matter what meat you are talking about. Malaysians eat meat practically everyday," he said.

Yeah...I do eat everyday. Pratically I believe everyone also eat meat...Every month, I must eat Bak Kut Teh

3) Added to this is the high consumption of santan (coconut milk) which is high in cholesterol and which, said Dr Bains, would lead to a lot of other health problems.

Brother..come on lar..nothing else to blame want to talk on santan...look at those pakcik and makcik whos age is reaching century old...I believe that the eat a lot of nasi lemak and rendang when they are young.

4) "Our approach to sports in schools is not matured. Suddenly we have a season for cross-country. No stretching done for the children involved, no pre-conditioning of the children done, many who were not fit to run cross-country had to run long distance.

Come on larr....the teacher knows what to do lar..sure they will ask those who cannot take it not to run. You think all teacher stupid arr

5) "We cannot go on like this, because there'll be lots of injuries taking place here, like tearing of ankles and knees. Many children doing cross-country did not even have breakfast," he said.

Oi. where you get your PhD from ?? Want to take breakfast then go and run arr. You crazy arr. Sure it will cause problem such as vomiting and cramps. Yes, you can take breakfast but take a light one. A cup of Milo and bread will do and its have to be one hour before doing any sports.

ksj_cool
04-01-2006, 03:36 PM
You see you can drink milo or horlick kosong - tastes good without sugar! Drink teh O kurang manis. Eat white meat and less red meat. Cut out the eggs/butter/cheese/curd and chocolates. Excercise regularly and you will lose weight and will experience better health.

ksj_cool
04-01-2006, 04:46 PM
You see you can drink milo or horlick kosing - tastes goo without sugar! Drink teh O kurang manis. Eat white meat and ear less red meat. Cut out the eggs/butter/cheese/curd and choclates. Do excercise regularly and you will lose weight and will experience better health.

isarahim
04-01-2006, 04:46 PM
It's the overall sugar intake combined with lack of exercise which make us obese and stoke-prone, not specifically teh tarik etc.

And by the way, the syrup stuff that's often being served at kenduris etc is signficantly more unhealthy than teh tarikh.

mykern
04-01-2006, 04:50 PM
ay .. 1 Q ... what about teh-si ... i.e. teh with ideal milk and sugar?

joker2107
04-01-2006, 08:44 PM
d gd(?) dr is supposed 2 b a professional. his stmt s presented in printed media suggests that he attributes teh tarik s a major cause of stroke. i d say its either d press missed his pt by a mile or he is a dud. no professional shud b allowed 2 make such definitive stmts without substantive evidence, in this instance, normally in d form of comparative research studies.

problems of d cvs (cardiovascular system) are much more complex n fragile than strokes. d sugars, glucose, calories, cholesterol etc associated with sugar and condensed milk do a alot more wonders 2 d miracle of our lump of muscle called heart than a simple stroke.

by d way, stroke is d malady whereby blood supply, n there4 o2, 2 yr grey matter is occluded. there r many causes of stroke, eg blood clot in d blood stream getting stuck in d blood vessles as they narrow above d jugular, hypertension, cerebal atherosclerosis.

i cant deny that regularly regular overdoses of teh tarik biasa (not kurang manis) may b a contributory factor 2 diseases of d cvs but equate such a diet 2 increased incidence stroke is stroking a fire.

JackRyan1975
05-01-2006, 09:53 AM
d gd(?) dr is supposed 2 b a professional. his stmt s presented in printed media suggests that he attributes teh tarik s a major cause of stroke. i d say its either d press missed his pt by a mile or he is a dud. no professional shud b allowed 2 make such definitive stmts without substantive evidence, in this instance, normally in d form of comparative research studies.

That "Dr" (a physiotherapist) has no authority to comment on the causes of stroke unless he did research and published a paper on the subject matter, or quotes other researches. Even then, no academician worth his salt will focus his/her studies on just the effects of "teh tarik" on blood pressure.

His intentions are good but his credibility and delivery are to the contrary.

aRwEn
05-01-2006, 06:00 PM
eeekkk!!! :eek:

anywiz, luckily i prefer air limau ais.... hehehe.... ;)

La Vida Loca
05-01-2006, 06:42 PM
Isn't his PhD in psychology, is he really a medical doctor by profesion?

silver_bird
05-01-2006, 07:56 PM
Teh Tarik Not The Cause Of Stroke, Says Health Minister

PENANG, Jan 5 (Bernama) -- The Health Ministry Thursday clarified that the habit of drinking teh tarik is not the cause of stroke among Malaysians.

Its Minister Datuk Dr Chua Soi Lek said high blood pressure, diabetes, life stress and smoking or practising an unhealthy lifestyle as among the factors which contributed to stroke.

He said that the issue came about as teh tarik contained high level of sugar or condensed milk which could contribute to diabetes, while one of the factors for stroke pointed to this disease. (diabetes).

Chua added that the statement saying drinking teh tarik was among the contributing factors to stroke among Malaysians was not accurate as it was not proven by any research.

He was commenting on a report in the local media which quoted a physiotherapist Dr Balwant Singh Bains as saying that more younger generation in this country were exposed to stroke and one of the reasons was their passion for teh tarik.

"We welcome any views from medical or health practitioners but any views should be backed by strong evidence, such as saying that obese people are more prone to stroke, " he told reporters after officiating the Linear Accelerator machine for cancer here today.

Chua added, inaccurate statements could create worry amongst the public and hence, such claims must be supported by strong evidence.

He said that Malaysia recorded 50,000 stroke cases a year and this meant that in every hour, six Malaysians were attacked by stroke and it was thus a high rate.

Studies found that 60 per cent of those attacked by stroke had high blood pressure.

"So as to avoid any disease, people should practice a healthy lifestyle by taking care of their food intake and exercise, and do not smoke," he said.

Chua said that studies also found 20 per cent of Malaysians had excessive body weight and Malaysians had been taking 120gm of sugar on average, when it should only be 50mg.

-- BERNAMA
http://www.bernama.com/

sirgalahad2010
06-01-2006, 12:43 PM
So... Indian-style teh tarik, made with proper fresh milk, no sugar a la Saravana Bhavan-style is ok?

Don't let someone spoil the fun by saying that fresh milk has saturated fat - another dietary no-no!

Maybe the 1st Friday teh tarik sessions should be converted into red wine sessions? :D

palmdoc
06-01-2006, 10:11 PM
Confucius say don't listen to physiotherapist who talks thru his ass.... :cool:

JackRyan1975
07-01-2006, 12:44 PM
Perhaps our dear friend Qbuster can pick up from here and do a feature on this physiotherapist commenting on "pull tea".

sinleong
07-01-2006, 03:14 PM
sometimes i order teh tarik kurang manis... and still so sweet!
i dunno what i get if i dint ask for kurang manis

orchipalar
07-01-2006, 07:01 PM
Err...it depends on how other persons tolerate or prefer how sweet they want their TT to be...so it's a tough job as a penarik teh...

Why not we tell the penarik teh...that we want 1 tea spoon of sugar or sweetening milk...or 2...then chances are they would get it right for you... :)

Err...Orchi has yet to hear of anyone ordering...teh-o kosong or teh kosong... :p

isarahim
07-01-2006, 07:11 PM
Err...Orchi has yet to hear of anyone ordering...teh-o kosong or teh kosong...

Teh limau tak gula!

sinleong
08-01-2006, 02:17 AM
Teh limau tak gula!

thats "teh limau kosong!"

aurora97
08-01-2006, 08:17 AM
It's a matter of NRD (national registration dept) v IJN (national heart institute). NRD might win the mad dash by citizens rushing for renewal of their MYKad, nevertheless its just a temporary effect. We need to note however, IJN would be the overall winnner. Since heart problem is a constant nightmare among Malaysians and is ever increasing! Did i mention Nasi Lemak?

Time to get those v6 engines, twin Cam, Vtec or cam pro... checked >
Institut Jantung Negara
145, Jalan Tun Razak,
50400 Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia.

or check out http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/ .. for more info for a healthy diet and heart diseases!

orchipalar
08-01-2006, 09:50 AM
thats "teh limau kosong!"Err...used to eat 'chap farn'(so called nasi campur) in kopitiam stalls...where 'xhit char' or 'yit char' (teh china with/without ice) was given out FREE of charge...

Err...Aurora:) is right...recently it nearly gave Orchi the heart attack...when it cost 50 cents per glass of teh china KOSONG...! :eek:

VeeJay
08-01-2006, 02:38 PM
There are still some places who still offer free xhit char....

There is a place in westport, they even offer free refill! :)

aurora97
10-01-2006, 12:39 AM
I suggest that someone should table a proposal to Parliament to have Labels on the food.

Proposal one:
1. Similiar to ciggarrete which has labels such as "Smoking KILLS", a plate of nasi lemak should have a label clearly remarking "I can cause heart problem"

2. Next proposal
Inggredient content should be label as before hand:
Nasi Goreng Ayam:
Fat: Xgm
Sugar: Xgm
Oil: Xgm
Calories: Xgm
bla bla bla ...

3. Or emergency lines, like if you are having breathing difficulties, heart burns...etc. Toll free emergency health institution labels for example, IJN, or health Ministry.

4. Or labels reminding people like "Did u have [xname of foodx] in the last 24 hours, its bad for your heart?"

Another better suggestion, to have a fun enjoyable time at a mamak store and a perfect nutritional meal. Mamak stores should start serving K rations (food rations in American Army), perfect wholesome meal, eating cardboard, food n vitamin dehydrated food packets, that are sealed in Vacuum packaging and can be stored up to 50 years.

shali
11-01-2006, 11:41 PM
This morning, I went to buy some roti canai panas at Taipan. But I was shocked to find out that among the many who had breakfast there, only one was drinking Teh Tarik.

I really don't know if the negative news about teh tarik is taking taking effect in USJ. And then we have our own 'teh tarik' session led by Orchi :D

aurora97
11-01-2006, 11:50 PM
I think someone should table this issue in parliament, we should promote and rally the benefits of drinking Teh Tarik to parliament. (if there is any benefits though ;) )

It's to prevent our favourite national drink being driven to extinction, err because of heart disease! No way i wil drink Teh Tarik till i... maybe a cup a week. :p kekeke

Oklah point is "moderation" is requiredlah for any food you take in, not good if you take too much or little.

kwchang
12-01-2006, 01:23 AM
...And then we have our own 'teh tarik' session led by Orchi
Have you been to our TT sessions? It may surprise you that almost all of us DON'T drink teh tarik at all. It is either teh-limau ais kurang manis or milo kosong.

palmdoc
12-01-2006, 05:13 AM
palmdoc can be found drinking teh tarik at his favorite mamak watering hole.... ;)

JackRyan1975
12-01-2006, 10:19 AM
I think someone should table this issue in parliament, we should promote and rally the benefits of drinking Teh Tarik to parliament. (if there is any benefits though ;)

I beg to differ. Our parliament is already overfilled with trivial and unproductive banter (as expressed by forummers in the links below - not exhaustive I must add) and has no need for your suggestion to spend taxpayer's time on another "teh tarik" discussion.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10005&highlight=dewan
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10565&highlight=dewan
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10018&highlight=dewan

aurora97
12-01-2006, 05:33 PM
JackRyan1975, I do apologize for my stunt in pulling a joke in this discussion about having teh tarik tabled in Parliament. Some discretion required while reading forum discussions, some are serious and down to rubbish depends what you want to take in.

If any MP from any state should table this issue, no doubt it would be a laughing stock, total waste of Taxpayers money. We got better issues to discuss.

There is plenty of other issues, the Criminal Procedure Code needs a refining, so does the Civil Procedure. This matters hasn't been looked at, and the codes are totally outdated. For example, till date certain cases are fast tracked to the federal Court "leap frog inccident," why because of the change of terms like Supreme Court, court of Appeal, High Court, Sessions Court and so forth. Parliament sure made a blunder, when they did not take the whole lot into revision. Instead they took the easy way out by changing part of the Codes,Act,Ordianance, in which all are affected.

shali
13-01-2006, 03:21 PM
Have you been to our TT sessions? It may surprise you that almost all of us DON'T drink teh tarik at all


Rest assured I'm tired of cursing myself for failing to make it. I'll try harder. And yes, i'll tell the mamak aloud "Teh LIPTON Susu tarik please!" :D

isarahim
11-01-2007, 02:58 PM
Another blow to Teh Tarikh


If it wasn't enough with the high sugar content, it's the milk too:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6241139.stm

sirgalahad2010
12-01-2007, 03:55 PM
Just 4 words to embody everything that's wrong with teh tarek:

TRANS FATS :(

SATURATED FATS :(

Me? I prefer the Indian-style tea made with fresh cow's milk from Saravana Bhavan in Bangsar (and also at S B here in Spore).

orchipalar
15-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Err...hey Mamak! Teh O Ice Satu! Kurang Manis tau!

Ooops...probably wrong thread...ar?

kwchang
16-01-2007, 12:13 AM
If it wasn't enough with the high sugar content, it's the milk too...
Ahhhh, by the way, in Malaysia, the Teh Tarik stalls use this sugar-sweetened milk in cans. Condensed milk was actually invented by the British (correct me if I am wrong - too lazy to check Wiki) as they found that the sugar in the milk allowed milk to be kept at room temperature in the tropics without refrigeration.

However, of late, we no longer have condensed milk. If you were to read the labels on the cans, you will find that they are actually palm oil. With the magic of food technology, we now get sweetened palm oil in cans that taste like condensed milk without the milk! Do note that the words "condensed milk" are no longer on the labels. Instead, we have "sweetener" or at best "filled milk" If you were to go for "filled milk", you will find that they include milk solids. That is the closest to a dairy product that you may find in these cans nowadays - however, perhaps someone can tell me if "evaporate milk" actually contains milk? I don't drink teh-si, so I do not look at evaporated milk cans..

sirgalahad2010
16-01-2007, 09:32 AM
Look at the fat content of some typical "milk" products used to make teh tarik:

Nestle Milkmaid Sweetened Beverage Creamer - 2gm of saturated fat per serving (20gm) (there's no figures for the trans fat content!)

Marigold Full Cream Condensed Milk - 2gm of saturated fat per serving (2 tablespoons)

King Of Kings Full Cream Evaporated Milk - 1.7gm of saturated fat per serving (2 tablespoons)

Nestle Milkmaid Low Fat Sweetened Condensed Skimmed Milk - 0gm of saturated fat per serving (20gm). The catch - as far as I know, it's only available in Spore!

Me? I'd rather stick to teh-o kosong or proper Indian-style tea with fresh cow's milk, no sugar (as they do it in Saravana Bhavan). Not the dubious mamak-style teh tarik made with lashings of "creamer"!

Sugarfree
16-01-2007, 10:45 AM
I always believe in moderation. I actually like it sweet- more kick! - but then, I only drink it like once a week, sometimes once in 2 weeks. Haha. Problem solved. No worries. :D

sirgalahad2010
16-01-2007, 01:26 PM
I always believe in moderation. I actually like it sweet- more kick! - but then, I only drink it like once a week, sometimes once in 2 weeks. Haha. Problem solved. No worries. :D

Aiyoh, like that where got shiok? :D

Eat roti canai, must have teh tarik. Eat chapati, must have teh tarik. Eat dosai, must have teh tarik. Eat banana leaf curry, must have teh tarik. Our palates and tastebuds have been conditioned for this.

No teh tarik = severe withdrawal symptoms! :D

Sugarfree
16-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Sugarfree:
...but then, I only drink it like once a week, sometimes once in 2 weeks. Haha. Problem solved. No worries....

***

Aiyoh, like that where got shiok? :D Hehehe...part of the thrill (shoick) is in the anticipation, mah! :p

firefox
16-01-2007, 02:39 PM
franky i dont think the milk in any form or sorts will do too much harm, after all a little bit of exercise will burn the fat..its the adulterated, coloured and the cheapest inferior tea dust that the mamak uses might harm you in the long run.

tupai
16-01-2007, 04:17 PM
methink the expression going for Tehtarik is now a generic descriptor for "lets go a drink". Not unlike colgate for toothpaste, kodak for film etc...Yes,many of our own friday TT also ended up with a big majority drinking anything but tehtarik :D

ANyway, back to the topic. Whats proven, is not the stroke etc of consuming too much TT but the practice of mamak/operator using recycled tea dust with colouring agent (many are banned versions) as the cheaper alternative cost. Since the MOH lacks the enforcement nor will to go after such practice, we the ignoramus consumers are left to fend for ourselves...and continue to poison our liver with banned dyes :eek:

Yang Ada Boycott Tehtarik lato tupai

p/s many years ago , a leading tea manufacturer wanna embark on a 'know yr tea' campaign targetting the mamak operators as well as the consumers...it was a failure as the mamak simply weren't interested to buy the original tea dust as it was many more times expensive than the recycled tea dust with colouring :eek:

dryyyap
16-01-2007, 08:59 PM
Milo kosong also got sugar one....

isarahim
17-01-2007, 02:04 AM
However, of late, we no longer have condensed milk. If you were to read the labels on the cans, you will find that they are actually palm oil. With the magic of food technology, we now get sweetened palm oil in cans that taste like condensed milk without the milk!
Thanks, KW, for the information! Obviously I haven't had a TT for a very long time.....