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AllUrban
07-05-2007, 05:37 PM
An interesting article abour rail transit in the Klang Valley, from the Edge Daily (http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.jsp?id=com.tms.cms.article.Article_4fb4142 c-cb73c03a-18c8aea0-1a2c7cee)

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*Now, the government has decided that the new LRT line would be 40km and would run between Kota Damansara in Petaling Jaya and Cheras. The existing lines would be expanded by 15km each and end at USJ in Subang Jaya.

*Prasarana, which currently owns the assets for the Klang Valley's LRT and bus ser-vices, might soon add another feather in its cap in the form of monorail assets from distressed KL Infrastructure Group Bhd (KLIG). When the deal is finalised, it will give Prasarana the distinction of being the sole asset holder for the entire Klang Valley and Penang public transport system.

*Shaipudin says the new Cheras-Kota Damansara line will not necessarily run on the Bombardier system. The extension to the existing lines, however, will. One line will be extended from Kelana Jaya, while another will be from Sri Petaling, both ending in USJ.[/I]

*The new line will intersect the existing LRT lines at yet undetermined points.
There will also be a number of new stations built but the final tally has not yet been decided.
"The general rule of thumb is to place the [I]stations 1km apart, but it will ultimately be based on anticipated passenger behaviour," Shaipudin says.

Interesting stuff here...it appears that, if the sources and info are accurate, the LRT lines will both meet up in USJ....

I would like to know more about what they are planning...but then, wouldnt everyone.

Cheers, m

sabre23t
07-05-2007, 06:01 PM
... it appears that, if the sources and info are accurate, the LRT lines will both meet up in USJ ...
My guess would not be exactly in USJ, but somewhere around Sunway Pyramid area. That's on the basis of the possible route lengths from Ampang Line's Sri Petaling station to USJ and Kelana Jaya Line's Subang Depot to USJ.

However, if they decide to include Shah Alam in the loop, that'll skew my guesstimate though. :confused:

AllUrban
08-05-2007, 01:53 PM
My guess would not be exactly in USJ, but somewhere around Sunway Pyramid area. That's on the basis of the possible route lengths from Ampang Line's Sri Petaling station to USJ and Kelana Jaya Line's Subang Depot to USJ.

However, if they decide to include Shah Alam in the loop, that'll skew my guesstimate though. :confused:yeah, it depends on how the extension from "Sri Petaling" actually proceeds...

Option 1) cross the KESAS highway and actually go into Sri Petaling, Awan Kecil, Awan Besar then back across to Kinrara and Puchong Jaya...and then....towards that fateful meeting in USJ???

Option 2) stay along the south side of the KESAS highway and service Kinrara, Puchong Jaya, and Puchong, then across the river to USJ???

before they were saying that they would extend from Sri Petaling to Old Klang Rd, which would start the idea of looping the line, through Petaling Jaya and Kepong and back done to Sentul...then they said they would extend the line to Puchong, to service demand in Puchong...

now Im totally confused....

especially as different sources talk about different things...and the horse's mouth is pretty much closed

Looking at passenger numbers, I really think that the demand in Subang Jaya can be served with express buses in their own restricted bus lanes....and extensions will come in the future...Id rather spend the 10 billion on better LRT service in KL, before extensions go forward...in no particular order Id like to see

1) extend the monorail to Midvalley...extend to Bukit Jalil in the future
2) a new circle line following the MRRI
3) the Kota D'sara-Cheras Line...build from D'sara to Maluri as the 1st phase...extend to Kota D'sara and Cheras in the future
4) a new NE line from OUG to Wangsa Maju..extend to Puchong and Gombak in the future

Cheers, m

sabre23t
08-05-2007, 07:56 PM
Option 2) stay along the south side of the KESAS highway and service Kinrara, Puchong Jaya, and Puchong, then across the river to USJ???
Possible. ;)

However, I'm expecting from Sri Petaling - Bukit OUG - Tmn Kinrara - Puchong Jaya - IOI Mall - USJ 10 - SS16, giving about 15km extension. Assuming the comon LRT station will be near SS16. In which case the Kelana Jaya - Lembah Subang - SS16 - (then wander to Shah Alam), to make the other 15km extension. Pure guess work on my part, though. :D

My earlier assumption of common LRT station in Sunway Pyramid area, is based on shorter extensions of both Ampang line and Kelana Jaya line LRTs.

Ref the screenshot of Mapsource below ...

ng
08-05-2007, 09:30 PM
My guess would not be exactly in USJ, but somewhere around Sunway Pyramid area. That's on the basis of the possible route lengths from Ampang Line's Sri Petaling station to USJ and Kelana Jaya Line's Subang Depot to USJ.

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The most reasonable place to meet for the 2 lines would be USJ 10 to serve a larger population.

But if there is insufficient space there to build stations, most probably the 2 lines will meet at the carrefour area near KTM in SS15.

newpdg003
08-05-2007, 11:04 PM
The big hope for the new LRT route between Kota Damansara-Cheras is the new LRT should cross along many shopping centers, including Ikano/Ikea, One Utama, Mid Valley, Lot 10 or Time square(if this new LRT cross along jalan Raja Chulan) and so on. :)

sabre23t
09-05-2007, 02:14 AM
The big hope for the new LRT route between Kota Damansara-Cheras is the new LRT should cross along many shopping centers, including Ikano/Ikea, One Utama, Mid Valley, Lot 10 or Time square(if this new LRT cross along jalan Raja Chulan) and so on. :)
Same as AllUrban earlier post, I would wonder how this Kota Damansara LRT line would treat crossing the Masjid Jamek area. :confused:

And I expect the Kelana Jaya line and Ampang line extensions to be done first, since those would be easier technically, and would make better fuller use of the existing LRT assets. :cool:

newpdg003
09-05-2007, 02:55 PM
Same as AllUrban earlier post, I would wonder how this Kota Damansara LRT line would treat crossing the Masjid Jamek area. :confused:

And I expect the Kelana Jaya line and Ampang line extensions to be done first, since those would be easier technically, and would make better fuller use of the existing LRT assets. :cool:

As I know so far, this was the earlier plan from SPNB last year when the LRT start from Kota Damansara until Masjid Jamek. Then the other route start from Ampang line Cheras station(if I not mistaken) until the end of Taman Tun Hussein Onn.

However, I remembered the SPNB plan to change this route suddenly and they decide to re-plan this route by crossing a lot of shopping centers. Hence, the exact route for Kota Damansara-Cheras remains undetermined. And type of the station, i.e. overhead or underground also remains undetermined.

Ya, the extension of Ampang line and Kelana Jaya line will finish early than the new LRT line, when extension line take approximately 3 years and new LRT line take approximately 4 years to complete. Just wondering, I read from The Star newspaper about the LRT project. It is true that the Kelana Jaya not only extend to USJ, but also extend to Bandar Utama ?

AllUrban
09-05-2007, 06:18 PM
However, I remembered the SPNB plan to change this route suddenly and they decide to re-plan this route by crossing a lot of shopping centers. Hence, the exact route for Kota Damansara-Cheras remains undetermined. And type of the station, i.e. overhead or underground also remains undetermined.

Ya, the extension of Ampang line and Kelana Jaya line will finish early than the new LRT line, when extension line take approximately 3 years and new LRT line take approximately 4 years to complete. Just wondering, I read from The Star newspaper about the LRT project. It is true that the Kelana Jaya not only extend to USJ, but also extend to Bandar Utama ?Very interesting stuff all of a sudden. It's interesting, people were talking about a full north-south line from Puchong to D'sara via USJ and Subang Jaya back in 2005 when I first got here...and an interchange with the existing KJ line in Subang Valley/Lembah Subang area, basically out by the airport....and this would allow for a extension for the KJ line out to Shah Alam north....

And people called for the Sri Petaling line to be extended to USJ, and a completely new line from Puchong up to Gombak along Old Klang Rd.

Today we are hearing of Sri Petaling extended to USJ, KJ line going to Bandar Utama, i-city builder i-corp. asking that the "extension of the Kelana Jaya line going out to Klang" provide service to the i-city

If all this is actually happening...maybe some people are listening...but really, they could do a lot more community consultation :p If they are willing to listen, why not just ask, clearly, for ideas and opinions...there would be no shortage....

Sigh....No info but lots of speculation


The most reasonable place to meet for the 2 lines would be USJ 10 to serve a larger population.

But if there is insufficient space there to build stations, most probably the 2 lines will meet at the carrefour area near KTM in SS15.I think there would be less space here ... but who knows ... I think somewhere in "bandar sunway" near the Sunway Toll Plaza's might be the location...not good for development purposes and discouraging car use, but good enough in terms of space and the location is ideal as well....

maybe this "USJ Sentral" will be more than a set of condos and commercial development.

Cheers, m

newpdg003
11-05-2007, 12:35 AM
Very interesting stuff all of a sudden. It's interesting, people were talking about a full north-south line from Puchong to D'sara via USJ and Subang Jaya back in 2005 when I first got here...and an interchange with the existing KJ line in Subang Valley/Lembah Subang area, basically out by the airport....and this would allow for a extension for the KJ line out to Shah Alam north....

And people called for the Sri Petaling line to be extended to USJ, and a completely new line from Puchong up to Gombak along Old Klang Rd.

Today we are hearing of Sri Petaling extended to USJ, KJ line going to Bandar Utama, i-city builder i-corp. asking that the "extension of the Kelana Jaya line going out to Klang" provide service to the i-city

If all this is actually happening...maybe some people are listening...but really, they could do a lot more community con sultation :p If they are willing to listen, why not just ask, clearly, for ideas and opinions...there would be no shortage....

Sigh....No info but lots of speculation

I think there would be less space here ... but who knows ... I think somewhere in "bandar sunway" near the Sunway Toll Plaza's might be the location...not good for development purposes and discouraging car use, but good enough in terms of space and the location is ideal as well....

maybe this "USJ Sentral" will be more than a set of condos and commercial development.

Cheers, m

Yes, that is why we always hear the different version of the LRT route plan. First time I got, LRT extend from KJ to USJ, the other one divide from Kerinchi to Kota Damansara (via Bandar Utama). And for Star, one route extend from Sri Petaling to Puchong and the other route extend from Sentul Timur to Kepong.

Now, the new extension route does not include the extension route from Sentul Timur to Kepong, but include extension route from Sri Petaling to USJ(via Puchong) and KJ line extend from Kelana Jaya to USJ making a round route plan. In addition, released the new LRT route from Kota Damansara to Cheras. I just wondering how Kj line extend from Kelana Jaya to Bandar Utama according to the Star New paper I posted in no.#249. If possible extend from Kelana Jaya to Bandar Utama, why don't expend more to Kepong area since Bandar Utama is not so far away from Kepong?

Secondly, as I concern also how about the 4 new monorail line proposed by KLIG and Mtrans earlier? Are there 4 new monorail line unable to gain green light for the project? Or they still under planning because of new LRT route project may overlap to their monorail project? Because we can see some of the new Monorail route planned by KLIG already overlap the new LRT route planned by SPNB.

As I know Monorail may not possible to approach the high demand of the public transport user, but I think it may possible for those area never have LRT services at least they have a choice to use Monorail travel to KL or other places. And I don't mind there will have monorail in Damansara area although new LRT line release in that too, because monorail also another choice for public transport user. At least, I can use monorail directly go to Subang area in stead of take New LRT line go some interchange point with KJ line in order go to Subang area. I can also go to Kepong area without taking bus or other alternative public transport(Please don't ask me to take KTM, I really suffer and hate with KTM service).

Well, the only solution can help monorail to carry more passenger is to expend their coach more longer and increase the number of coaches.

Anyway, hope to hear any good news about LRT planning and Monorail planing.

USJ27Resident
11-05-2007, 02:38 AM
This line, that line - all lines will somehow go through some "connected" person(s) first... after he has taken his cut... then the line will get connected or built... :rolleyes: :p

It happened when the NPE was being built - but unfortunately the person (was it the ADUN/MP for Pantai?) had a heart attack... and the project was abandoned for a while - till Road Builders (was persuaded to) finish the project...

Do you really think that the people in charge, really bother about what the rakyat thinks...

sabre23t
11-05-2007, 05:42 PM
... I concern also how about the 4 new monorail line proposed by KLIG and Mtrans earlier? Are there 4 new monorail line unable to gain green light for the project? ...
I didn't notice any positive reactions from the stakeholders (other than KLIG/Mtrans as the contractors) on this. So, it doesn't look it'll get the vote.

Anyway, I understand the LRT asset owner Prasarana, http://www.prasarana.com.my , would be calling tenders for the extensions of the two LRT lines as well as the new Kota Damansara LRT line. I wonder whether the specs for the tenders would allow for Monorail technology (at least for the new line). :)

sabre23t
11-05-2007, 05:46 PM
This line, that line - all lines will somehow go through some "connected" person(s) first... after he has taken his cut...
Mmm ... Easier done in closed negotiated privatisation contracts, but harder for open tender contracts. :rolleyes:

newpdg003
11-05-2007, 11:33 PM
I didn't notice any positive reactions from the stakeholders (other than KLIG/Mtrans as the contractors) on this. So, it doesn't look it'll get the vote.

Anyway, I understand the LRT asset owner Prasarana, http://www.prasarana.com.my , would be calling tenders for the extensions of the two LRT lines as well as the new Kota Damansara LRT line. I wonder whether the specs for the tenders would allow for Monorail technology (at least for the new line). :)

It doesn't matter whether tenders would allow for monorail teachnology. But the problem they should consider, are there any extra places allow monorail company build a track and run paraller with LRT line? I think they maybe need to re-plan for their routes proposed earlier and try to seperate with new LRT line.

I don't think the new LRT line pass from Bandar Utama and turn to Persiaran Surian head on to Kota Damansara, that's why they want to plan a station in aroung IKEA or the curve and make one round from Damansara Perdana to Kota Damansara( exactly same route with the first planned by SPNB). It also doesn't matter monorail route may overlap with new LRT route, but again monorail company may faces limitation of places to build the track. The possible way is to build monorail trail in the other side of LDP, but it will also cause another problems.

Anyway, we just looking forward to hear how they approach about this plan. I
don't mind what technology SPNB implements to the new LRT line, but main purpose is to provide more convenience service to public .

AllUrban
12-05-2007, 01:25 PM
right now the monorail is not happening, and the reason is simple...monorail has not proven itself effectively for Malaysia.

Another part of the problem is KLIG and its being "connected" with other companies

When/if RapidKL takes over the KL monorail, the first task is to extend it to midvalley...

from Midvalley, a future extension can go down to Bukit Jalil, or out to Kerinchi, Pantai and Bangsar...

There is also room for a monorail along Jalan Ampang from Ampang Jaya to the golden triangle...

I see a 2-way line on Jalan Ampang, then a 1-way loop around the golden triangle and KLCC. If it is designed properly, it can follow the same route as the existing monorail through the golden triangle, then a separate track along Jalan Tun Razak/Jalan Stonor and back to Jalan Ampang....

I see monorail working as "people mover" not "mass transit" so it is a dispersal system for the city centre...kind of like an elevated, expensive, crowded minibus....

As for the proposal for the 4 lines...there is no reason why that cannot be done with LRT technology, whether it is the relatively rare linear magnetic technology used by the KJLRT, the more common 3rd rail technology used by the ASP LRT, or the simple and effective elevated wire technology used by the KTM service and trams.

One cost saving advantage of these over monorail...is that the other technologies can be used elevated, underground, or at ground level...monorail is only effective as elevated...

in fact the Putrajaya Monorail (when/if it begins operations) may be one of the only examples of a monorail travelling underground...

Cheers, m

Cheers, m

May Lee
13-05-2007, 05:08 AM
Found this article in the April 21, 2007 SunE-Paper:

"Study on LRT expansion almost done. The detailed engineering study for the expansion of the LRT network in the Klang Valley is expected to be ready next month and tender offers will be completed by the end of the year, says Finance Ministry parliamentary secretary Datuk Seri Dr Hilmi Yahaya. In his ministerial winding-up speech for the Supplementary Supply (2006) Bill 2007 at the committee stage, he said the project is expected to start early next year. “The project connecting LRT Ampang-Sri Petaling and Kelana Jaya lines are expected to be completed by 2010,” he added. Last August, the government announced that RM10 billion would be allocated to build a new LRT line and upgrade the existing LRT system in the Klang Valley."

newpdg003
13-05-2007, 01:27 PM
right now the monorail is not happening, and the reason is simple...monorail has not proven itself effectively for Malaysia.

Another part of the problem is KLIG and its being "connected" with other companies

When/if RapidKL takes over the KL monorail, the first task is to extend it to midvalley...

from Midvalley, a future extension can go down to Bukit Jalil, or out to Kerinchi, Pantai and Bangsar...

There is also room for a monorail along Jalan Ampang from Ampang Jaya to the golden triangle...

I see a 2-way line on Jalan Ampang, then a 1-way loop around the golden triangle and KLCC. If it is designed properly, it can follow the same route as the existing monorail through the golden triangle, then a separate track along Jalan Tun Razak/Jalan Stonor and back to Jalan Ampang....

I see monorail working as "people mover" not "mass transit" so it is a dispersal system for the city centre...kind of like an elevated, expensive, crowded minibus....

As for the proposal for the 4 lines...there is no reason why that cannot be done with LRT technology, whether it is the relatively rare linear magnetic technology used by the KJLRT, the more common 3rd rail technology used by the ASP LRT, or the simple and effective elevated wire technology used by the KTM service and trams.

One cost saving advantage of these over monorail...is that the other technologies can be used elevated, underground, or at ground level...monorail is only effective as elevated...

in fact the Putrajaya Monorail (when/if it begins operations) may be one of the only examples of a monorail travelling underground...

Cheers, m

Cheers, m

Hi All Urban, do you mean that the 4 new monorail proposed by KLIG/Mtrans will not longer to obtain approval from government. And does KLIG/Mtrans will taken over by RapidKL, so we have only RapidKL for every transit network?

AllUrban
14-05-2007, 01:26 PM
Hi All Urban, do you mean that the 4 new monorail proposed by KLIG/Mtrans will not longer to obtain approval from government. And does KLIG/Mtrans will taken over by RapidKL, so we have only RapidKL for every transit network?hi newpdg003

I think that the 4 line proposal did not obtain approval and the government furthermore did not accept any other proposals from KLIG/MTrans...there are two possible reasons...

first, the monorail cannot do anything outside of the city that LRT cannot do a better job. Inside the city monorail has an advantage but not outside. The LRT has a serious cost advantage because monorail has to be built elevated. In the city this is not a factor, but outside of the city the costs add up.

second, KLIG has serious management problems. Also, they seem to have operational problems. I notice that all of their sensible plans (e.g. the extension to KL Sentral, the extension to Midvalley) and less sensible (monorail city, 3 carriage trains, car parks over the klang river...seriously, car parks over the Klang River...????) have not worked out.

Even the Penang Monorail has gone to "open" tender instead of being locked up by KLIG.

I would be very happy to see Prasarana (or SPNB) take over the KL Monorail and allow RapidKL to operate it...and build extensions of the monorail service...but only in KL itself

I support that purchase because it would allow RapidKL to operate most of the rail and bus services in the Klang Valley while KTM Komuter would provide the regional rail service...

I would actually like to see a Klang Valley Transit Authority which would plan out all the Klang Valley bus routes and the various operators (rapidKL, metro, Selangor, Permata Kiara, SJ, Warisan, CityLiner, Nadi, Bas Mini) would compete to operate on these routes...

however, the fare system and the route system would be the same...so you could take (for example) a RapidKL route U63 or a Metrobus route U63 and pay the same fare....but that's off in the future

Some people would worry about the lack of competition, but I imagine things in this way...since the routes are the same, and the fare is the same, there is no reason why rapidKL and metrobus cannot service the same routes....

Also, this could allow the option of a cheaper (local) and a more expensive service (regional express)....for example, KTM express and KLIA express and express buses would represent the more expensive service, while the local service woud be provided by local buses, KTM Komuter, and LRT and monorail.

having two levels of services would allow you to choose to pay more for "express regional" service...or use the "slower local" service...and by having an authority running both services, minimum standards can be maintained...unlike the present system where low cost buses are poorly maintained, dangerous, and driven by careless drivers....and KTM is poorly maintained...

Cheers, m

Teeque
16-05-2007, 04:24 AM
Read a Star article on the Mid Valley congestion issue (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/15/central/17715304&sec=central) and this statement crops up: “There’s also plans to add a second KTM station at Abdullah Hukum and Monorail is also looking at adding a new line to pass through Mid Valley City,” said Yong, adding they are looking at ways to provide the opportunity to the people to use public transport when visiting the mall.

a new monorail line passing Mid Valley? thats news to me...

Teeque
16-05-2007, 05:03 AM
and this news abt KLIG's insolvency and suspended listing is more disturbing (http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/05/loan_default_bank_repossessed.php)... more bailouts coming?

AllUrban
16-05-2007, 11:25 AM
Read a Star article on the Mid Valley congestion issue (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/15/central/17715304&sec=central) and this statement crops up: “There’s also plans to add a second KTM station at Abdullah Hukum and Monorail is also looking at adding a new line to pass through Mid Valley City,” said Yong, adding they are looking at ways to provide the opportunity to the people to use public transport when visiting the mall.

a new monorail line passing Mid Valley? thats news to me...

The original plan was to extend the monorail from the existing Tun Sambanthan station to Kg. Pasir in the south of Midvalley. There was to be a monorail station on the west side of Midvalley, where The Gardens is currently being built. A 250m bridge would connect MidValley Monorail to Abdullah Hukum LRT across the river.

Now, some are suggesting that Midvalley have a monorail station at the north end, to come closer to the north point, Jalan Bangsar, and the bus station and hotel. Then, the monorail would cross the river and there would be a 3 station interchange at Abdullah Hukum...thanks to the construction of a new Abdullah Hukum KTM station....

Im thinking that this means an end to Angkasapuri...which is a really poorly placed station....


and this news abt KLIG's insolvency and suspended listing is more disturbing (http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/05/loan_default_bank_repossessed.php)... more bailouts coming?no doubt, no doubt...and look up at the top, at which company is above KLIG....

when a company talks a lot but does little...you know they have problems...and when they publicly suggest wacky ideas (build a car park over the Klang River????????) then you know they arent even trying hard.

Cheers, m

newpdg003
16-05-2007, 04:47 PM
The original plan was to extend the monorail from the existing Tun Sambanthan station to Kg. Pasir in the south of Midvalley. There was to be a monorail station on the west side of Midvalley, where The Gardens is currently being built. A 250m bridge would connect MidValley Monorail to Abdullah Hukum LRT across the river.

Now, some are suggesting that Midvalley have a monorail station at the north end, to come closer to the north point, Jalan Bangsar, and the bus station and hotel. Then, the monorail would cross the river and there would be a 3 station interchange at Abdullah Hukum...thanks to the construction of a new Abdullah Hukum KTM station....

Im thinking that this means an end to Angkasapuri...which is a really poorly placed station....

no doubt, no doubt...and look up at the top, at which company is above KLIG....

when a company talks a lot but does little...you know they have problems...and when they publicly suggest wacky ideas (build a car park over the Klang River????????) then you know they arent even trying hard.

Cheers, m

Hi,All Urban. Thanks for the information you gave about the KLIG proposed the 4 newlines for monorail. I think LRT maybe the best solution for high demand of public transport in Klang Valley. And I hope, the Sentul Timur station can expand more until Kepong area (especially until Metro Prima)

I heard the 3rd LRT lines(kota Damansara-Cheras) will pass along Mid Valley since there will have Mid Valley II release soon. If 3rd LRT lines really go that,
I think it can solve the serious traffic congestion in Mid Valley. Just wondering, how to build KTM line in Adullah Hukum? Isn't it the KTM line is than far away from Adullah Hukum?

Recall you suggest RapidKL open the Lembah Subang Depot station, I think it can do the further extension from this point until Bandar Utama(As I heard the KJ line not only expand its line to USJ but also do expand to Bandar Utama), this line basically serve for Damansara Indah, Tropicana, some part of Kota Damansara and back to Bandar Utama.

And I heard about SPNB plan to build a big station beside the One Utama New Wings for LRT and bus station. So if KJ line extend to BU, then the 3rd LRT line can exchange in BU and directly head on to SJ or USJ instead of go down to KL and change KJ line to SJ or USJ.

Teeque
17-05-2007, 03:20 AM
...Just wondering, how to build KTM line in Adullah Hukum? Isn't it the KTM line is than far away from Adullah Hukum?...
the double tracked rail is just beside Abd Hukum LRT station...

AllUrban
17-05-2007, 11:38 AM
And I hope, the Sentul Timur station can expand more until Kepong area (especially until Metro Prima)

I heard the 3rd LRT lines(kota Damansara-Cheras) will pass along Mid Valley since there will have Mid Valley II release soon. If 3rd LRT lines really go that,
I think it can solve the serious traffic congestion in Mid Valley. yes, there are a lot of choices for where the lines can go.

For Sentul, you know that right now there is a plan to extend KTM from Sentul Station to Batu Caves...the plan includes 5 stations, and the first new station will be Sentul Utara/Sentul North...the LRT line will also be extended to Kepong (in future) and it will interchange with KTM at Sentul North.

I would love this extension to happen asap, to create the new Sentul North, as it will definitely improve use of the LRT and KTM...and take pressure of the KTM Komuter stations along the Klang River (Kuala Lumpur, Bank Negara, and Putra)

Also interesting is that Bank Negara halt is being upgraded to a station, and expanded...

KTM service yard is being moved out from Sentul up to Serendah, which means that the land can be developed into transit - focused development....

As for K.D'sara.....Kota D'sara to Cheras line will probably follow Jalan Duta and/or Jalan Semangat from TTDI to KL.

It will have to service

K.D'sara
M.D'sara
Bdr. Utama
D'sara Utama
Pst. Bdr. D'sara
Bukit D'sara

when it gets to KL, there are two options...southern route and central route....I think southern route moves more people....as it would bring service to:

University Malaya
Pantai
Bangsar
MidValley
Taman Desa

and then on to cheras

I personally believe that it would be better to build the KL segment of any line first, before extension to the suburban areas...because these can be serviced with buses running express services....

Cheers, m

newpdg003
21-05-2007, 04:12 PM
the double tracked rail is just beside Abd Hukum LRT station...

Yup I got it. But isn't that double track is just for the KTM route from Sentul to Port Klang? And The Rawang to Seremban double track still far away from Abd Hukum LRT. I just wondering how they move from Adb Humum to Mid Valley? It couldn't be move people from Adb Hukum LRT station, and change track move up to Mid valley, or bring people to KL sentral and ask them to change Seremban route.

Expand Monorail from Tun Sembatan to Mid Valley, as well as the build a Mid Valley station for new LRT line(Kota Damanasra-cheras) are possible solution for traffic congestion in Mid valley.

AllUrban
22-05-2007, 01:12 PM
I just wondering how they move from Adb Humum to Mid Valley? The answer has already been planned...they will build....

the bridge on the river Klang

specifically, a bridge across the river from Abdullah Hukum LRT to the MidValley Development.

The length would be approximately 250 m

In the original plans, this bridge would connect Midvalley monorail station with the Abdullah Hukum LRT station...

we'll have to see what happens now...I think the bridge will still be built (especially with the new KTM halt) but I dont know about the placing of the monorail station.

I would like to see at least 2 monorail stations at midvalley....one at the Gardens and one at the North Point.


Cheers, m

On a side note...the new roof is being constructed at Subang Jaya KTM station...finally, the whole platform will be protected from the sun and rain! Hooray!!! m

ahfatt78
23-05-2007, 08:29 AM
The people of Subang Jaya are all for a plan to extend the LRT line from Kelana Jaya to Subang Jaya under the Government’s special RM10bil allocation to improve the Klang Valley’s public transportation system. The plan, announced last year, will be implemented under the Ninth Malaysia Plan. StarMetrochecks out the latest developments in the area related to the coming LRT line.

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2007/5/23/central/17790886&sec=central

Eastern Citizen
23-05-2007, 09:57 AM
The people of Subang Jaya are all for a plan to extend the LRT line from Kelana Jaya to Subang Jaya under the Government’s special RM10bil allocation to improve the Klang Valley’s public transportation system. The plan, announced last year, will be implemented under the Ninth Malaysia Plan. StarMetrochecks out the latest developments in the area related to the coming LRT line.

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2007/5/23/central/17790886&sec=central

Sounds great........... but still not holding breath. However for all our sakes, I really hope that it does happen. It will be great for Subang Jaya.

ng
23-05-2007, 04:17 PM
The star newspaper today proposed route:

Carrefour subang jaya -> SS15 colleges -> Bandar sunway -> Lagoon park -> Summit shopping center -> USJ 1 -> USJ 8 business center.


Can anybody tell me what's the difference between bandar sunway and lagoon park ? I thought they are the same and why is it built so close to each other ?

What's the difference between summit and USJ1 ? Aren't they very close together too ?

They should also extend from USJ 8 to the 'vision school' in USJ 15 instead of the other extraneous stops.

Where (which stop) will the star lrt interface to putra lrt ? :D

Eastern Citizen
23-05-2007, 04:29 PM
.........Where (which stop) will the star lrt interface to putra lrt ? :D
Ya, it's called the LDP :D

AllUrban
24-05-2007, 11:05 AM
I am more than a little worried about this route plan....because it will be high in cost and low in returns.

LRT should be the backbone of the transport system...with a simple, fast, and direct route to the destination....in this case, KL

but this suggested route...is anything but direct....

Right now we have bus services like U67 and Metro 10 and 13, that slowly wind their way through the housing estates, then travel directly on to KL...

and one reason why many people dont want to use the bus is because the service is slow, from winding through the housing estates

This LRT extension will be replicating what the buses do ... winding through USJ and Subang Jaya and Glenmarie, Petaling Jaya, then into KL...

I think that the extra time of winding, plus the time to travel up to Kelana Jaya...will not be worth the cost to most passengers....especially when you can still take a bus directly into KL....for only RM2

So Im afraid that this RM 3billion will be used to create a mega LRT project that few people will use, because it costs them too much....and that this RM3 bn is not justified because there is no passenger demand....

Im also worried that by spending the extra money on the LRT, that money cannot be used in other parts of the transport system, that are also important...

with RM3 bn we could have more lines in the inner city, more buses, better bus shelters, accessible buses, etc.

So is the LRT worth it? Not at the moment...

And this is not to say anything about the route design...which will also be costly....there will be sharp turns and high pillars, which will cost extra money. Many of these stations will be away from housing areas and main streets, so there will have to be parking structures and bus services...that will cost more money...........................

cheers, m

sabre23t
24-05-2007, 11:17 AM
This LRT extension will be replicating what the buses do ... winding through USJ and Subang Jaya and Glenmarie, Petaling Jaya, then into KL...
Mmm .... Not as windy as it looks I think. Eyeballing my GPS map I'd say both (i) the USJ8 U67 route to KLSentral versus (ii) the proposed LRT extension via Kelana Jaya to KLSentral; are about the same distance.

Lets see whether I can can easily get a screenshot and distances from that GPS map. :D

sabre23t
24-05-2007, 12:22 PM
Eyeballing my GPS map I'd say both (i) the USJ8 U67 route to KLSentral versus (ii) the proposed LRT extension via Kelana Jaya to KLSentral; are about the same distance.
My Mapsource says ...
(i) U67 - USJ8 to KLSentral - takes about 27.3km - yellow line in image below.
(ii) Proposed LRT - USJ8 to LembahSubang 10.4km & LembahSubang to KLSentral 12.9km - total about 23.3km - red line in image below.
http://www.sabre23t.com/images/SubangJayaLRT-U67.GIF
screenshot courtesy www.malsingmaps.com

AllUrban
24-05-2007, 01:21 PM
Mmm .... Not as windy as it looks I think. Eyeballing my GPS map I'd say both (i) the USJ8 U67 route to KLSentral versus (ii) the proposed LRT extension via Kelana Jaya to KLSentral; are about the same distance.yeah, the distances are not that much different...and it is more direct than U67...but then, I dont think that U67 is a well-planned bus route. I've already said as much....U67 and other bus routes wind through the housing estates unnecessarily.


My Mapsource says ...
(i) U67 - USJ8 to KLSentral - takes about 27.3km - yellow line in image below.
(ii) Proposed LRT - USJ8 to LembahSubang 10.4km & LembahSubang to KLSentral 12.9km - total about 23.3km - red line in image below.
Yeah, that makes sense...but even if they are the same distance or close enough, there are many other factors that must be considered....The cost of the LRT will be far far higher....the cost/km of construction will be 10-15x greater than a typical bus route

a quote in Canada for Vancouver's Skytrain (almost the same as PUTRA LRT) is about CAD$60-80mn per km. I dont know what the construction costs /km were for the PUTRA LRT, but the costs of this extension will be high.

Another thing is that while thinking of the route of the LRT and figuring out where it will go...is great...I think it is fun...but until you actually see the site it is hard to understand the whole picture. Existing development would force construction costs up...either way, those costs get back to the people.

High costs must be justified by high passenger use....there are ways to provide the service Subang Jaya and USJ need...at lower costs...that are more realistic given the usage patterns.

In fact, Ive said again and again that before SPNB accepts any plan for the extension, they should have rapidKL bus routes testing out the extension plan. That way, the passengers and company know what to expect....in terms of time, costs, and passenger use...also, it will stimulate the increase in demand for transportation until the LRT actually opens.

Cheers, m

USJ27Resident
24-05-2007, 01:29 PM
My two sens...

"why the hell would I wanna park my car at the LRT station... PAY for PARKING, sweating it out, taking the LRT all the way to KL... and not knowing if my car will still be there when I get back.... "

I might as well drive all the way to KL... same cost plus having the convenience of having my car in the basement/parking lot...

:o How?

Parking charges shouldn't exist at LRT stations if you want the people to stop using their cars.. FULL STOP. As far as things are... some idiot will tender for the parking lots and turn it into a milking pot for as long as the station is there... *sigh!*

AllUrban
24-05-2007, 02:38 PM
I might as well drive all the way to KL... same cost plus having the convenience of having my car in the basement/parking lot...
good point...but it doesnt always work that way.

Yesterday I took KTM from Subang Jaya to Midvalley. The last time I went it was a horrible experience, last August, I wrote about it on the forum.

This time it was a breeze. Picked up the train at 7:02, was at KL Sentral by 7:28, and was on the train to Midvalley at 7:39. There were lots of standing passengers but free seats as well.

Cost: RM2

If I had taken the U76 bus it would have cost exactly the same but I could have reused the ticket...but I was coming back with my gf so no need.

Now, on the way out of midvalley...it was 11:30 pm...gf had parked in Zone H (upper level, north side). There was no info posted there to say that if you park in the upper level, you pay in the upper level. So, we went down to the P1 level to pay for parking. The north pay area was closed, and the centre pay area was closed too. We walked all the way to the south pay area, then we are told that we cannot pay there...

after we got up to level 2, we realized that zone H was at the north end of the mall. When we finally got to Zone H and got into the car, there was a long line up of cars leaving the garage.

It took 35 minutes to get out of the Midvalley garage. I cannot imagine what the stress would have been like for gf when getting to midvalley...the jam plus finding the parking....

that, in a nutshell, is why i use public transport...because when it works, it works really, really well and is really convenient.

Of course, alot of people dont want to see public transit work....

Cheers, m

firefox
24-05-2007, 02:55 PM
Of course, alot of people dont want to see public transit work....

Cheers, m

of course i love the KTm i park my car at Carrefour and i am off on a KTM to Senteral and there i decide where i want to go...no problem and do enjoy these transit systems.

Thanks Allurban for your postings they are really useful and you contribute some good stuff to this forum

Cheers to you too.

ng
24-05-2007, 06:49 PM
How come nobody replied to my questions ? :( :confused:

sabre23t
24-05-2007, 10:34 PM
How come nobody replied to my questions ? :( :confused:
Because we (or at least I) don't know the answer?
Maybe the Kelana Jaya Line extension will join the Ampang Line extension somewhere near Puchong, or even USJ24. Just guessing.

AllUrban
25-05-2007, 10:05 AM
Because we (or at least I) don't know the answer?
Maybe the Kelana Jaya Line extension will join the Ampang Line extension somewhere near Puchong, or even USJ24. Just guessing.that's assuming it has to join, or that joining will be a good idea....Lee Hwa Beng is doing a good job in one way, campaigning for more LRT service in the MPSJ territory....to benefit Subang Jaya...

I think that it would be interesting if Seri Petaling were extended to Bandar Kinrara, Bandar Sunway, and then Subang Jaya....up to Lembah Subang, Utama, D'sara, Kepong, and complete the loop with service through Segambut and Sentul.

A line along Jalan Klang Lama and Jalan Puchong down through Puchong, would serve the Klang valley nicely too....

OUG, Puchong Jaya, PB Puchong, Bandar Puteri, then back up through USJ and finish at Subang Jaya KTM

This option....costlier and longer...would create a complete network in the south and west ends of KL....and really benefit SJ, USJ, and Puchong

try to plug that routing into your map...and see what comes out

Cheers, m

newpdg003
25-05-2007, 12:20 PM
that's assuming it has to join, or that joining will be a good idea....Lee Hwa Beng is doing a good job in one way, campaigning for more LRT service in the MPSJ territory....to benefit Subang Jaya...

I think that it would be interesting if Seri Petaling were extended to Bandar Kinrara, Bandar Sunway, and then Subang Jaya....up to Lembah Subang, Utama, D'sara, Kepong, and complete the loop with service through Segambut and Sentul.

A line along Jalan Klang Lama and Jalan Puchong down through Puchong, would serve the Klang valley nicely too....

OUG, Puchong Jaya, PB Puchong, Bandar Puteri, then back up through USJ and finish at Subang Jaya KTM

This option....costlier and longer...would create a complete network in the south and west ends of KL....and really benefit SJ, USJ, and Puchong

try to plug that routing into your map...and see what comes out

Cheers, m

Yeah, it is good to have a complete loop of LRT route for klang valley. As I mentioned earlier, it is good also if KJ line really expand to Bandar Utama according the news article or like your suggestion because Damanara citizen can use this LRT directly to Subang, Puchong without take 3rd LRT line come down to KL and change to KJ line or star line go to Subang and Puchong. But the 3rd LRT line should at least some interchange point with current Putra or Star LRT. Some people say the 3rd LRT line actually is the extension of Star line according to the earlier route planning, is that true?

In fact, I would like to suggest the LRT route should expand up to MSC even to KLIA. I just wonder why KLIA does not connect with LRT but with ERL, I don't think everybody use ERL go to KLIA because cost is expensive.

I found a lot of Airport, for example, Singapore Changi at least has one evaluated MRT station over that. London Heathrow has underground train station. Although our airport has ERL transit, but if LRT does connect to KLIA it will bring more option for people, at least who doesn't want to pay high cost for ERL can use LRT. I think LRT has enough place can keep for large luggage.

I hope also our country has at least underground transit, currently we have only 5 stations in underground for LRT still cannot consider we have underground transit at this moment. I feel surprise even Thailand also got underground train and why our country economic better than them and we do not have underground transit in our country?

Underground transit is not necessary done by government, in fact, private sector can put some investment to build an underground transit system in Klang Valley. I hope YTL not only propose the bullet train between KL-Singapore, they should propose an underground transit project. Many people maybe argue about the land structure for our country, but Thainland and Singapore has similar land structure with us, they also tropical country and raining every day. How come they can build an underground transit but we can't? Didn't we have the Smart Tunnel as a first tunnel in the world already proved Malaysia Boleh. So if Smart Tunnel can build in our country, why not Underground transit. Maybe people say the maintenance problem, water flow or flood during raining day. I think this is the RapidKL management problem, also the Work minister problem (just kidding) but nothing wrong with underground transit.

sabre23t
25-05-2007, 03:09 PM
In fact, I would like to suggest the LRT route should expand up to MSC even to KLIA. I just wonder why KLIA does not connect with LRT but with ERL, I don't think everybody use ERL go to KLIA because cost is expensive.
Two reasons ...
(1) Kelana Jaya LRT or Ampang LRT technologies would make the journey from KL to KLIA more than 1hr.
(2) Less efficient, third rail DC power system, limits the distance for efficient power distribution.
;)

pcyeoh
29-05-2007, 01:13 AM
The people of Subang Jaya are all for a plan to extend the LRT line from Kelana Jaya to Subang Jaya under the Government’s special RM10bil allocation to improve the Klang Valley’s public transportation system. The plan, announced last year, will be implemented under the Ninth Malaysia Plan. StarMetrochecks out the latest developments in the area related to the coming LRT line.

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2007/5/23/central/17790886&sec=central

Reproduce article here with permission granted by the writer

The Star
Saturday May 26, 2007

Pros and cons of Subang LRT

I REFER to the reports “Where Subang Jaya folks want their LRT line” and “Residents can’t wait for project to start” (The Star, May 23).

I am a user of bus, KTM, and LRT services and regularly advocate better public transit and public transport. I am excited by the LRT extension, and definitely pleased that many people are taking an interest in the project.

However, I have some concerns about the overall planning for the route of the LRT extensions.

LRT is usually designed as the backbone of the transport system meant to provide a simple, fast, and direct route to destinations. In this case, the destination for many people in Subang Jaya and USJ would presumably be Kuala Lumpur.

Designing the LRT extension to wind its way through Subang Jaya and Bandar Sunway and USJ is a good idea on paper, because it will service many areas with potential passengers. However, there is nothing to show that these potential passengers will use the LRT once it is built.

There are a few reasons why people might not want to use the LRT.

First, this proposed extension is anything but direct. Winding through housing estates will take time, which will make the service less appealing.

The additional distance and travel time will also lead to increased costs for RapidKL because the LRT trains will spend increased time in the suburban areas, where there are fewer passengers.

Many of the potential passengers may not wish to pay RM4-RM6 a day for LRT travel.

Another problem is that the real situation on the street may not be understood. Much of the space between the areas planned for LRT stations is already heavily developed.

To provide an LRT service that connects Subang Jaya, Bandar Sunway, and Lagoon Perdana, many tight turns will be required to avoid the residential and industrial areas.

Many of these stations will be away from the main housing areas, so the construction of parking structures at the stations and provision of feeder bus services will be necessary.

This will cost more money. All of these additional costs will have to be borne by the people. Initially, this might come through higher fares. In the future, a government subsidy might be necessary, or reduced quality of service will be the result.

We can also consider that money spent on the LRT could be used in other parts of the transport system. There is still a desperate need for more buses, better bus shelters, accessible bus service, and many other improvements throughout the Klang Valley and most cities in Malaysia.

Perhaps it would be better to concentrate on getting the basics (the bus system and the shelters) right before spending money on the LRT project.

We should consider that the money could be better spent by building additional LRT lines that are needed in Kuala Lumpur. These lines will move far more people than the extensions to the suburban areas, and recover costs faster.

Suburban extensions of an LRT line will lose money for a long time because passenger levels in the suburban areas are always lower than in the city.

That is why the city centre should have priority over the suburban areas when it comes to LRT construction. Suburban areas, which have wider and faster roads, can be better served with a fast and efficient system of express buses.

MOAZ YUSUF AHMAD,
Subang Jaya.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/5/26/focus/17843937&sec=focus

Teeque
29-05-2007, 04:23 AM
:eek: M! aiyoyo, lotsa ppl trying to lobby for LRT here and then u trying to 'torpedo' the project..??? :eek: :eek:

but seriously, when has public transit been a money churning, profit bulging venture for any cities in the world? it has always been an affordable public service for the transit using public. so, we should not be advising them on how to make money or avoid losing money in running the system but instead be proactively involved with the planning of this transit system for all. how they managed their finances would be up to them. instead, their prime responsibilities should be the provision of an efficient and affordable public transit to the transit using public. :confused:

AllUrban
29-05-2007, 10:17 AM
:eek: M! aiyoyo, lotsa ppl trying to lobby for LRT here and then u trying to 'torpedo' the project..??? :eek: :eek:

but seriously, when has public transit been a money churning, profit bulging venture for any cities in the world? it has always been an affordable public service for the transit using public. so, we should not be advising them on how to make money or avoid losing money in running the system but instead be proactively involved with the planning of this transit system for all. how they managed their finances would be up to them. instead, their prime responsibilities should be the provision of an efficient and affordable public transit to the transit using public. :confused:sorry dude, cannot agree...

Im not trying to torpedo the project :D Gomen has to commit to it as there is an election coming :D and this gives us an excuse to demand more!

Im not just thinking about LRT for the people of Subang Jaya and USJ...Im thinking of the whole Klang valley

2 LRT extensions after 10 years + 1 new line? Hardly enough for a real efficient and effective public transit network.

now, 2 LRT extensions + 3-4 new lines...that is what the Klang Valley needs for the moment....

...actually Im trying to get people to realize that LRT is not a gift from the government, it is public infrastructure and the people should demand more of it...unfortunately, gomen here still has the mentality that public transit is a gift for the voters...and it should operate like a business and make money.....they still havent got the mentality that it is a vital piece of public infrastructure....that helps the economy grow even faster....

Besides....there is no excuse to make excuses....even public transit has to be accountable for the dollars spent.

That's why I think regulated competition (as opposed to free-for-all competition or gomen monopoly) will work well for the Klang Valley....

Anyways, LHB is doing his job well...his job is political and it is to get the LRT to service SJ...and even get the 2nd LRT...why not....but he will sit back when the project is done....I cant sit back when it is done...

Besides...consider the time in between the beginning of construction and the opening of the LRT....

are you willing to wait another 5 years for things to happen? What road projects and craazy flyovers might happen in the meantime?

better bus service to prep for the LRT will get people out of their cars....between now and the opening of the LRT

Cheers, m

Teeque
30-05-2007, 06:42 AM
...actually Im trying to get people to realize that LRT is not a gift from the government, it is public infrastructure and the people should demand more of it...unfortunately, gomen here still has the mentality that public transit is a gift for the voters...and it should operate like a business and make money.....they still havent got the mentality that it is a vital piece of public infrastructure....that helps the economy grow even faster....
ahhh, that sounds better but this quote below in your earlier letter does look like diverting the message down the drain...

We should consider that the money could be better spent by building additional LRT lines that are needed in Kuala Lumpur. These lines will move far more people than the extensions to the suburban areas, and recover costs faster.
Suburban extensions of an LRT line will lose money for a long time because passenger levels in the suburban areas are always lower than in the city.
i beg to differ on your notion of suburban extensions being under-utilised and unprofitable, therefore unnecessary. look at tokyo, london, paris, NY, taipei, shanghai, even singapore. public transits (buses and rails) bring the bulk of commuters frm the suburban areas to the city and their networks consists of the most suburban lines. then they hv another dedicated line serving the city folks and form a closed network ard the city, much like our kl monorail.

yes, i agree with you, additional lines are needed in the city but so are the lines critical in the suburbs. the kl monorail (and rapidkl bus networks) needs to be expanded in the same vein as the suburban lrt so that suburban commuter traffic will not choke up city traffic and put a strain on existing transit networks when new suburban lines come online. ok, this would be the ideal scenario for everyone looking forward to better transit. but we also know that the powers that be in this country thinks and moves at a ridiculously snail's pace due to the various 'obstacle' factors involved ie. bureaucracy, corruption, vote-fishing, affirmative action-type of planning, what hv yous etc...
yes, demand for public transit as an economic mover and a public need. but also, constant expansions and monitoring must be incorporated and hopefully, the buck does not stop when the euphoria of elections dies down. this, the public has to constantly 'poke' the fatcats rear ends to remind them... ;) :D

sabre23t
30-05-2007, 01:57 PM
...actually Im trying to get people to realize that LRT is not a gift from the government, it is public infrastructure and the people should demand more of it... [...] Besides....there is no excuse to make excuses....even public transit has to be accountable for the dollars spent.
Shouldn't LRT, Buses and Road transport be look together? Shouldn't we have the promised KVUTA that would setup policies that would balance road filling fossil fuel burning personal transport against energy efficient less convenient public transport? Shouldn't the road builders dollars (some directly from toll payers, some indirectly from tax payers) be also accountable and well spent? :eek:

AllUrban
30-05-2007, 04:40 PM
Shouldn't LRT, Buses and Road transport be look together? Shouldn't we have the promised KVUTA that would setup policies that would balance road filling fossil fuel burning personal transport against energy efficient less convenient public transport? Shouldn't the road builders dollars (some directly from toll payers, some indirectly from tax payers) be also accountable and well spent? :eek:well, in an ideal world....

but in Malaysia, all transport construction is Samy Vellu's baby, and no one, not even TDM, is brave enough to step up to Samy....

When toll agreements are official secrets and only revealed through significant pushing by the people and the media....what can be expected?

I can bet that LRT planning is treated the same way...official secret...need-to-know...and you dont need to know....

Right now the government is willing to subsidize roads and airports and toll highway construction but LRT and public transit has to pay its own way....

Cheers, m

AllUrban
30-05-2007, 04:54 PM
i beg to differ on your notion of suburban extensions being under-utilised and unprofitable, therefore unnecessary. look at tokyo, london, paris, NY, taipei, shanghai, even singapore. public transits (buses and rails) bring the bulk of commuters frm the suburban areas to the city and their networks consists of the most suburban lines. then they hv another dedicated line serving the city folks and form a closed network ard the city, much like our kl monorail. You are giving examples of world class cities with closed mass-transit networks...and suburban rail networks.

In those cities you can get from anywhere to anywhere using a combination of mass-transit and buses.

KL doesnt have a closed mass-transit rail network. It has an incomplete network comprising mini-metro and monorail...and a very slow, incomplete suburban rail network.

A 6 carriage mass-transit rail train can move up to 40,000 passengers per direction during peak hours....

A mini-metro like the LRT can handle a maximum of 13-20,000 passengers per direction during peak hours.

Want to know how many passengers the LRT in KL carry during peak hours? Kelana Jaya line carries about 8,000 and you can see how packed it is...KJ LRT is over capacity during peak hours. Ampang and Seri Petaling carry about 8,000-10000 and are at about 70% of capacity

So there is a long way to go. 5 minute frequent service on the KTM lines would move alot of people and we wouldnt have to wait for the construction of LRT...just buy the trains and train the drivers....

I say, build LRT in the city...LRT lines in and around KL and connecting PJ and Taman Desa and Wangsa Maju and Sentul and Kepong and Damansara Jaya...

This would close all the gaps in the KL Transit network.

But to get from the suburbs to these points...and even into KL...there should also be a network of bus rapid transit lines...All the old rapidKL trunk buses should be upgraded to Bus Rapid Transit.

Remember, buses have the flexibility that LRT does not. Buses can come to you, but you have to go to LRT....

A bus rapid transit system can be built in a very short time, carry as many as 8,000 passengers per direction during peak hours (same as the current LRT lines) if designed properly....and it would cost about 1/5-1/6 the price of the LRT....so for that same amount of money 5 lines could be built

Cheers, m

sabre23t
30-05-2007, 05:22 PM
A bus rapid transit system can be built in a very short time, carry as many as 8,000 passengers per direction during peak hours (same as the current LRT lines) if designed properly....and it would cost about 1/5-1/6 the price of the LRT....so for that same amount of money 5 lines could be built
Does the TransJakarta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransJakarta) manage to achieve that 8,000 ppdpph? Do you know? No mention of that in that wiki article. :confused:

patrick
30-05-2007, 05:49 PM
Whatever we debate about, I just cant wait for them to develop the LRT to Subang Jaya. Really! This KTM Komuter is just no darn good! I have said it before and I say it again!

Firstly, I when I got tru the turnstile at the KTM Komuter this morning, I saw that the Sentul train would arrive in 5 minutes. As I stroll out of the building towards the overhead bridge, there was the freaking train!! It had already arrived, 5 minutes ahead (for a change!). Gosh, together with a group of school boys and girls, we all made a mad dash for the bridge to get to the train. Fortunately, none of us fell in the haste to get to the train!! (By the way, I beat all the teenagers to the train!!! Heh heh!!) So that was the first episode! Why cant KTM ever get their timing correct!! Aiyah....this is the IT age man!!!

Then when I left MidValley to come back, I gave the Komuter mode a try. This meant I had to catch the train from Seremban to get to Sentral, and then change to the Port Klang train. Know what? I got to the MidValley Halt just before 2pm. By the time I got back to Subang Jaya, it was about 3pm! Someone please tell me. Does it make any sense to take the Komuter to go to or come back from Mid Valley at all?

The Komuter is definitely NOT an option!! No more!! Now you see why we desperately need an LRT to SJ?????

AllUrban
30-05-2007, 06:11 PM
Does the TransJakarta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransJakarta) manage to achieve that 8,000 ppdpph? Do you know? No mention of that in that wiki article. :confused:Transjakarta? Probably not...they only use single buses. Curitaba and Bogata run 22-24 meter long articulated buses...they are probably going to come the closest to the 8,000. Transjakarta is a good example tho, because they started from the chaos and actually created rapid transit...5 rapid transit lines in 3 years....to build the demand...so that LRT and monorail will be the next step.


Know what? I got to the MidValley Halt just before 2pm. By the time I got back to Subang Jaya, it was about 3pm! Someone please tell me. Does it make any sense to take the Komuter to go to or come back from Mid Valley at all?

The Komuter is definitely NOT an option!! No more!! Now you see why we desperately need an LRT to SJ?????Sorry to hear you had a bad experience Patrick. I had a similarly horrible experience last year....

I tried to Komuter last week, Tuesday. Subang Jaya to Midvalley. Got to the station at 645, picked up the train at 7:02, at KL Sentral at 7:33, boarded the KTM to Midvalley at 7:39. Arrived midvalley at 7:45.

A huge improvement on last years service. Of course, ideally there should be an express train serving say, Klang, Shah Alam, Subang Jaya, Petaling, Abdullah Hukum (when they build it), KL Sentral, and Kuala Lumpur stations...and the bridge across the river from Abdullah Hukum LRT to The Gardens would be nice to have....

Either way would get you could get to MidValley alot faster....so dont stop at demanding the LRT...demand better KTM service.

And demand that the bridge to midvalley be constructed now...did you notice that they constructed new ramps directly from the highways to the parking areas of midvalley...but they havent yet constructed a simple, short 250m bridge across the Klang River to the LRT station....why?!?!

Cheers, m

Teeque
31-05-2007, 04:28 AM
i quoted world class cities and some cities who had worst public transit than KL before but had now achieved close to world class standards becos thats what our govt has been trying to do in the race to 2020 - a developed and world class public infrastructure by then. cities like taipei and shanghai, who had started out abt the same time as us, took just 10 years to better their systems close to world standards. where KL has lagged behind since and now trying to achieve half of what they had done successfully. sadly, we hv always been the tortise in that race...

AllUrban
31-05-2007, 11:09 AM
cities like taipei and shanghai, who had started out abt the same time as us, took just 10 years to better their systems close to world standards. where KL has lagged behind since and now trying to achieve half of what they had done successfully. sadly, we hv always been the tortise in that race...the key feature is that they invested serious money in building lots of rail lines that completed the network around the cities.

That's why I believe that the government has to invest in completing all the missing links in KL...suburban extensions...just dont build that network that will get more and more people to use public transit regularly....

The LRT extensions will get built...but the people have to demand more LRT lines and rapid bus lines...to complete the network...and better service if they want public transit to really work for the entire Klang Valley.

Cheers, m

firefox
31-05-2007, 11:35 AM
I really enjoy the easiness of the transit system...but sad to say even if we have the best state to art flawless network criss crossing the country Malaysians being a lazy and a spoilt lot will still drive their cars to the doorsteps.

Rocky19
31-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Whatever we debate about, I just cant wait for them to develop the LRT to Subang Jaya. Really! This KTM Komuter is just no darn good! I have said it before and I say it again!

Firstly, I when I got tru the turnstile at the KTM Komuter this morning, I saw that the Sentul train would arrive in 5 minutes. As I stroll out of the building towards the overhead bridge, there was the freaking train!! It had already arrived, 5 minutes ahead (for a change!). Gosh, together with a group of school boys and girls, we all made a mad dash for the bridge to get to the train. Fortunately, none of us fell in the haste to get to the train!! (By the way, I beat all the teenagers to the train!!! Heh heh!!) So that was the first episode! Why cant KTM ever get their timing correct!! Aiyah....this is the IT age man!!!

Then when I left MidValley to come back, I gave the Komuter mode a try. This meant I had to catch the train from Seremban to get to Sentral, and then change to the Port Klang train. Know what? I got to the MidValley Halt just before 2pm. By the time I got back to Subang Jaya, it was about 3pm! Someone please tell me. Does it make any sense to take the Komuter to go to or come back from Mid Valley at all?

The Komuter is definitely NOT an option!! No more!! Now you see why we desperately need an LRT to SJ?????
Patrick,

i feel for you. I have taken the trains many times to get to work so as to save money and time. But using it the trains is really painful, timing is out. I rush between tracks based on the timing and guess what train is not there and lucky I didn't fall. For a long while ticketing was a pain, thank god for the T&G now. off course some say the enjoy the easiness of the transit system and the rest are lazy. I'm just wondering what system they are using?

Maybe we should do test trip to Puchong, Mid Valley and Lebuh Ampang etc from S.Jaya to see if our systems are really so easy to use as claimed. It is great to object for the sake of objecting and saying others are plain lazy etc etc but lets put in flawless system and then we can talk. BTW I hope the station roof doesn't leak or fall off cos in Msian context that is all part of being flawless. Malaysia Boleh mah under BN govt that does no wrong. After all we have the best parliament and court house in the world according to some, not to mention the best billboards, best universities and AP system in the world

Can't wait for LRT to get to S.jaya.

newpdg003
31-05-2007, 10:21 PM
Two reasons ...
(1) Kelana Jaya LRT or Ampang LRT technologies would make the journey from KL to KLIA more than 1hr.
(2) Less efficient, third rail DC power system, limits the distance for efficient power distribution.
;)

Ya, true also. I didn't realize that KLIA still far away even from MSC. Anyway, the LRT from KL connect to MSC is necessary.


sadly, we hv always been the tortise in that race...

The main reason is our economic remain very weak, government has no enough money can do more improvement. Also, not many private sector want to join with LRT project again the financial support and obtained the approval from government. So I hope YTL will propose the Underground transit system in Klang Valley for their next plan, since they want to build bullet train from KL to Singapore.


Whatever we debate about, I just cant wait for them to develop the LRT to Subang Jaya. Really! This KTM Komuter is just no darn good! I have said it before and I say it again!

Firstly, I when I got tru the turnstile at the KTM Komuter this morning, I saw that the Sentul train would arrive in 5 minutes. As I stroll out of the building towards the overhead bridge, there was the freaking train!! It had already arrived, 5 minutes ahead (for a change!). Gosh, together with a group of school boys and girls, we all made a mad dash for the bridge to get to the train. Fortunately, none of us fell in the haste to get to the train!! (By the way, I beat all the teenagers to the train!!! Heh heh!!) So that was the first episode! Why cant KTM ever get their timing correct!! Aiyah....this is the IT age man!!!

Then when I left MidValley to come back, I gave the Komuter mode a try. This meant I had to catch the train from Seremban to get to Sentral, and then change to the Port Klang train. Know what? I got to the MidValley Halt just before 2pm. By the time I got back to Subang Jaya, it was about 3pm! Someone please tell me. Does it make any sense to take the Komuter to go to or come back from Mid Valley at all?

The Komuter is definitely NOT an option!! No more!! Now you see why we desperately need an LRT to SJ?????

Like your case, I can say I drive a car from Mid Valley (if no traffic jam) go back to Subang even faster than I take KTM. I had one experience took KTM from Mid Valley went back to KL sentral, the KTM suddenly stopped for longer time when it arrived quite near to KL sentral :eek: . Finally I missed the Ikano bus when I took KJ line from KL sentral to Kelana Jaya. :mad:

My comment about KTM is should not use KTM become a "LRT service". KTM is more suitable use as express train.

And it is good to see any LRT line build one station in Mid valley can actually solve the traffic problem in Mid valley.


You are giving examples of world class cities with closed mass-transit networks...and suburban rail networks.

In those cities you can get from anywhere to anywhere using a combination of mass-transit and buses.

KL doesnt have a closed mass-transit rail network. It has an incomplete network comprising mini-metro and monorail...and a very slow, incomplete suburban rail network.

A 6 carriage mass-transit rail train can move up to 40,000 passengers per direction during peak hours....

A mini-metro like the LRT can handle a maximum of 13-20,000 passengers per direction during peak hours.

Want to know how many passengers the LRT in KL carry during peak hours? Kelana Jaya line carries about 8,000 and you can see how packed it is...KJ LRT is over capacity during peak hours. Ampang and Seri Petaling carry about 8,000-10000 and are at about 70% of capacity

So there is a long way to go. 5 minute frequent service on the KTM lines would move alot of people and we wouldnt have to wait for the construction of LRT...just buy the trains and train the drivers....

I say, build LRT in the city...LRT lines in and around KL and connecting PJ and Taman Desa and Wangsa Maju and Sentul and Kepong and Damansara Jaya...

This would close all the gaps in the KL Transit network.

But to get from the suburbs to these points...and even into KL...there should also be a network of bus rapid transit lines...All the old rapidKL trunk buses should be upgraded to Bus Rapid Transit.

Remember, buses have the flexibility that LRT does not. Buses can come to you, but you have to go to LRT....

A bus rapid transit system can be built in a very short time, carry as many as 8,000 passengers per direction during peak hours (same as the current LRT lines) if designed properly....and it would cost about 1/5-1/6 the price of the LRT....so for that same amount of money 5 lines could be built

Cheers, m

I agree with AllUrban, as you see the LRT remain the high demand in Klang Valley. It is good if the LRT link those areas Kepong, Selayang, Sentul, Gombak, Cheras, Puchong,Subang, PJ and Damansara as a complete loop LRT network in Klang Valley. Currently, we have 2 extension lines and 1 new lines and in fact RM10bil is enough to build more LRT lines therefore government can actually build a complete network loop like the suggestion above. Due to our economic abilities, I estimate that the complete LRT network will take more than 10 years to complete from now. Basically, this LRT project require only 4 to 5 years.

RapidKL bus just play important role for LRT feeder bus service and Bas Rapid Transit as a substitution of LRT. Sometime the Bas Rapid Transit can prevent if the LRT break down and cannot working. This always happen in KJ line.

patrick
31-05-2007, 11:49 PM
This morning I took the KTM down to Sentral (No, not to MidValley. No more of that nonsense!!). When we were coming back, we went down to the platform to catch the supposedly 1437hr train. At 2.37pm, no train came. Suddenly, monitor was changed to read train arriving at 2.57pm. No announcement, nothing! Gosh, we thought.... delay of 20 minutes! Then, suddenly at 2.59 the train to Port Klang arrived at the platform! Now wait, the funniest bit to relate. As we were boarding the train, there came the announcement..."Train to Port Klang arriving at Platform X"! What the heck was the announcement for? Tell us who were already boarding the train? Or telling other passengers on ground floor to come down only to find the train had left?? Gosh!! Nothing can beat KTM for all the boo boos! They sure work in mysterious ways!

Teeque
01-06-2007, 05:07 AM
newpdg,

dont be fooled by govt propaganda that they hv no money for public transit system. they can spend billions of dollars on other high profile infrastructures and then spend further billions in maintenance programs when its 'bocor'. then some of these billions (statistics quoted 20-30%) were 'leaked' out to god knows where and who as wastage. IDR, second penang link, new istana, also coming up. no money indeed...

newpdg003
01-06-2007, 10:50 AM
newpdg,

dont be fooled by govt propaganda that they hv no money for public transit system. they can spend billions of dollars on other high profile infrastructures and then spend further billions in maintenance programs when its 'bocor'. then some of these billions (statistics quoted 20-30%) were 'leaked' out to god knows where and who as wastage. IDR, second penang link, new istana, also coming up. no money indeed...

Yup, our government like to spend the unnecessary money to do unnecessary thing. Highway in Klang Valley also another example because they "encourage" people driving a car instead of using public transport. The reason why they "encourage" people driving a car, because Proton lost their profit again this year.

About the "bocor" you mention, I found there are some LRT station, overhead bridge really got "bocor". Maybe one day it will become another "bocor" issue appears in the newspaper.

patrick
01-06-2007, 12:00 PM
Yup, our government like to spend the unnecessary money to do unnecessary thing. Highway in Klang Valley also another example because they "encourage" people driving a car instead of using public transport. The reason why they "encourage" people driving a car, because Proton lost their profit again this year.

About the "bocor" you mention, I found there are some LRT station, overhead bridge really got "bocor". Maybe one day it will become another "bocor" issue appears in the newspaper.

Yeah...like this Kelana Subang Flyover. IMHO, I think it's a sheer waste of money and will create a bigger traffic mess. Instead of trying to resolve the mess at the Kesas interchange and the Giant junction, they now want to hasten the incoming flow of traffic to these interchanges!! Wah lau...traffic here sure die when the flyover is completed. Where's the logic? Any dumb fool can figure that out!!

And talking of LRT and bocor, that reminds me. One day when I was driving along Bangsar and it was raining cats and dogs, the drainage pipe on a few of the columns of the LRT line was very bocor and the water was gushing out like waterfall from the bocor! Vehicles passing by got compulsory car wash!!

AllUrban
01-06-2007, 12:34 PM
Gomen "saved" RM4.4 bn when they lowered the petrol subsidy and allowed petrol prices to increase from 1.32/L to 1.62/L and then 1.92/L. They also saved a bunch of money on the subsidy as oil prices dropped during the later parts of 2006.

So they have at least rm 7-8 billion in spare change, and thats just in subsidy savings...to say nothing about petronas profits....

A hybrid car, if brought in, or greater use of biodiesel...would also save the gomen money on subsidy as the petrol prices would drop with decreased demands....though pump prices wont likely change....


Yeah...like this Kelana Subang Flyover. IMHO, I think it's a sheer waste of money and will create a bigger traffic mess. Instead of trying to resolve the mess at the Kesas interchange and the Giant junction, they now want to hasten the incoming flow of traffic to these interchanges!! Wah lau...traffic here sure die when the flyover is completed. Where's the logic? Any dumb fool can figure that out!!!!Yes but it actually a "good" project for some because it will make the flyover at Pers Murni (or even better, the elevated u-turns along the KESAS highway) necessary....

ahahaha but as my friend from sunway says...no matter what they do, there are still only 2 main roads in USJ....


And talking of LRT and bocor, that reminds me. One day when I was driving along Bangsar and it was raining cats and dogs, the drainage pipe on a few of the columns of the LRT line was very bocor and the water was gushing out like waterfall from the bocor! Vehicles passing by got compulsory car wash!!A good reason not to have an LRT station over the main road...I think that B'sar is known for leaks, there was an issue with the design...also, the water from the track guideway collects there because the LRT climbs over the Jalan Maarof flyover....

Something to consider, when the LRT is built here.

Cheers, m

firefox
01-06-2007, 04:28 PM
We need a clean government to have an effective transit system, at the moment there is too much of lobbying from so many parties poltical and cronies wanting to participate in this mammoth project all the big shots want to jump onto this gold mine ..its not an easy task even to implement this project...at the end of the day we the poor tax payers would have to cough billions of RM to enrich this guys...so is this necessary after all..Malaysian govenment has wasted biliions on projects which have no value for the ppl but just to feed these unqualified cronies. The present system is more than enough. I have seen them all, the rich gets richer

Just my views to share...

patrick
01-06-2007, 06:03 PM
We need a clean government to have an effective transit system, at the moment there is too much of lobbying from so many parties poltical and cronies wanting to participate in this mammoth project all the big shots want to jump onto this gold mine ..its not an easy task even to implement this project...at the end of the day we the poor tax payers would have to cough billions of RM to enrich this guys...so is this necessary after all..Malaysian govenment has wasted biliions on projects which have no value for the ppl but just to feed these unqualified cronies. The present system is more than enough. I have seen them all, the rich gets richer

Just my views to share...

You are probably correct. Just look at our new Rapid buses. How come we have quite a few models/brands? Doesnt it make sense to have a single model or brand? Why does Tony only want Airbus for Air Asia? You provide the answers....

sabre23t
01-06-2007, 07:06 PM
One day when I was driving along Bangsar and it was raining cats and dogs, the drainage pipe on a few of the columns of the LRT line was very bocor and the water was gushing out like waterfall from the bocor! Vehicles passing by got compulsory car wash!!
Are you sure that the KJ line LRT rainwater drainage wasn't designed to gush out in said manner? ;)

sabre23t
01-06-2007, 07:09 PM
Just look at our new Rapid buses. How come we have quite a few models/brands? Doesnt it make sense to have a single model or brand?
I believe, if you ask the RapidKL Operation & Maintenance guys they would certainly say one model. :) You'd have to ask the purchasers (SPNB) of those buses for RapidKL, for their reasons for multiple models. :(

Teeque
02-06-2007, 02:37 AM
u guys hv forgotten? scomi engineering was contracted to produce buses for rapidkl whilst they are still committed to previous contract orders frm a korean and french bus maker. of which, the parts and engine of scomi's buses were sourced frm the same korean and french makers and then assembled and rebadged as malaysian made buses. how ingenius... :rolleyes:

Teeque
02-06-2007, 02:49 AM
Taken frm the LRT poll thread: http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18472

i've used public transit all my life until my return to this country some years back. and i've had the privilege to experience some of the best and somewhat efficient public transits in some of the large metropolitan cities in the world, no matter the traffic conditions there. Cities like tokyo, taipei and L.A hv road networks choke with traffic but still, their public transit system does well to overcome these problems. the thing is, it works despite all the neagatives working against it. i may be living in the suburbs 30-40km away frm the city but most of the time, i can reach city downtown in an hour or at most an hour and a half by using a combination of the public transit available. switching modes or lines were fuss free and on time. schedule info were easily available and obtainable whether over the phone, print copies at stations and places of public interest or online. heck, even some cabbies give out very valid and good info!

we dont need to look far. just look down south for a model of one of the world's best public transit networks, imho, as i've used it extensively when i lived there in my younger years. the mrt is accessible to commuters living in the north, east and west of the city. all outskirts/suburban stations are connected to local town centres and residentials by local shuttles. then there are the city shuttles and also town to town shuttles. in recent years, lrt came online to serve populated townships in a closed network and these are connected to the main mrt station serving that town. it is currently implemented in the north but there are plans to add more to the west and east. (see graphic below)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Mrt_lrt_system_map_%28current%29.png/800px-Mrt_lrt_system_map_%28current%29.png

By 2020, this will be what singapore's rail transit system will look like below. by 2030, the system will be more extensive than London's Tube system.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Singapore_mrt_lrt_map_future_version3.png/800px-Singapore_mrt_lrt_map_future_version3.png

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Rapid_Transit_%28Singapore%29

malaysia now needs very strong political will to formulate and implement a world class public transit policy for KL for it to even try achieving half of what singapore's public transit system has, by 2020. in fact, public transit should hv been the focus for the 9MP besides the IDR project in the south. sadly, our govt's preference has always been focussed on nation-building projects which serves the interest of a select few elites rather than the whole mass public...

Teeque
02-06-2007, 04:40 AM
Read Spore LTA's 'White Paper on Singapore's World Class Land Transport System (2 January 1996) (http://www.lta.gov.sg/corp_info/index_corp_pub.htm) that sets out how the Authority intends to achieve its objectives and transport vision for Singapore.

key objectives:
- preference of rail over road as road has limitations
- rail costlier but greater efficiency and volume
- seamless integration of road and rail systems
- using technology for efficient mass transit
- demand derived expansion and improvements
- affordable to commuters
- breakeven of operations and investment costs
- stimulates economy and economic benefits

newpdg003
04-06-2007, 01:52 AM
My two sens...

"why the hell would I wanna park my car at the LRT station... PAY for PARKING, sweating it out, taking the LRT all the way to KL... and not knowing if my car will still be there when I get back.... "

I might as well drive all the way to KL... same cost plus having the convenience of having my car in the basement/parking lot...

:o How?

Parking charges shouldn't exist at LRT stations if you want the people to stop using their cars.. FULL STOP. As far as things are... some idiot will tender for the parking lots and turn it into a milking pot for as long as the station is there... *sigh!*

Recall this thread again to mention about the LRT route plan. Basically, the new LRT route plan between extension line and new line can refer to the Singapore MRT/LRT route planning. LRT route can design to the main city, high population area and business center and monorail suitable design in the suburban area or resident area. Remember many people argue about KLIG proposed the 4 new lines may not suitable serve in Klang Valley and suggest LRT as the substitution for this 4 new lines. Well, since the monorail will take over by RapidKL so that we can redesign for this 4 new lines mainly in suburban area and resident area. If inappropriate LRT route suburban area may cause them lose a profit then they should design monorail as a substitution. So I don’t think bus is more helpful to solve this problem, because monorail can carry passenger more than the bus.


Secondly, I disagree with the monorail design in Mid Valley. Again this is just another “version” of KLIG proposed the 4 new monorail lines without thinking the length of monorail coach whether it can approach the number of passenger. LRT is the solution of the traffic congestion in Mid Valley but also can carry more people to Mid Valley better than monorail. The reason is very simple, because the length of the LRT coach can approach the higher number of passenger while monorail can carry less amount of passenger. A very good example in bukit bintang, sometime we have to miss another monorail if the peoples in the train are full. Assume if Star LRT drive in bukit bintang area may carry a lot of passenger which is better than monorail. This is the reason why I suggest LRT should propose in Mid Valley instead of monorail. And monorail should design in suburban area not the business, shopping center or high population area.


In fact , KTM also another “Mass Rapid”(the length of coach is longer than LRT) which can carry more people to Mid Valley, unfortunely due to their poor efficient making people disappointed with their service. I predict if LRT come over to mid valley will cause KTM lose their profit, but I still welcome LRT come over to mid valley because KTM is useless.

Beside that, I would like to suggest to government that thet should keep more money for necessary LRT plan. Not only propose current 3 LRT line (2 extension route + 1 new route), but also expand one from Sentul Timur to Kepong Metro Prima, another one from Gombak to Selayang Mall. I don’t think an extra extension will cost a lot money because it just build a overhead station not the underground station. The reason is very simple, Kepong and Selayang have higher population and must have LRT service over that. I am very sad because this 2 area will have LRT after the 3 LRT line complete, I think it take about 10 years time even. Why don’t complete all LRT service together so that Klang Valley will have very good public transport system in 4 year later. At least every one can take LRT/monorail go to KL instead of driving car or taking bus.

sabre23t
04-06-2007, 08:57 AM
Parking charges shouldn't exist at LRT stations if you want the people to stop using their cars.
There is already a few LRT stations that have "free" car parking. One example is Ampang LRT station. I see the following problems at Ampang station ...
(i) No charge, so unmanned car park, riskier?
(ii) Overfull, non-LRT traveller usage, no incentive to take bus to the LRT station.
;)

AllUrban
04-06-2007, 09:43 AM
Why don’t complete all LRT service together so that Klang Valley will have very good public transport system in 4 year later. At least every one can take LRT/monorail go to KL instead of driving car or taking bus.I can give you one reason why...because the LRT system wouldnt be able to handle the number of passengers...

Right now many people would use the LRT and KTM, but choose not to because of delays and crowds...but also because the service doesnt take them right to their destination.

That is one reason why the Ampang Sri Petaling LRT line is under capacity.

Kelana Jaya line, on the other hand, runs through many neighbourhoods in PJ and KL and northeast...there are lots of passengers...and right now, KJ LRT is over capacity, running about 10,000 peak hour passengers using two carriage trains.

In less than two years (hopefully) they will be able to run longer trains on KJ LRT, and this will allow them to double their maximum capacity to 20,000 peak hour passengers....that will help for some time....but the extension to USJ and SJ will probably increase the passenger levels.

(Ps. can someone tell me why SPNB is purchasing a new design of 4-carriage train with a new type of inner carriage when they could also just couple two existing trains together)

Anyways....When the network is more complete...more and more people are going to start using LRT...maximum capacity for KJLRT can only be about 20,000 peak hour passengers....assuming one train every 90 seconds.

So at that point...there will have to be more expansion....which will cost alot of money again....

That's why the BRT/Tram option is a useful alternative to the LRT...you can build 10 lines for the same cost of the LRT extension, and it is easier to expand capacity when needed.

Some of the future LRT lines serving the Klang Valley can be introduced first as BRT lines...lines along Jalan Puchong and Jalan Klang Lama, Jalan Ipoh, Jalan Kuching, Jalan Tun Razak, Pers. Kewajipan, Jalan Gombak, and others.

Cheers, m

sabre23t
04-06-2007, 02:00 PM
(Ps. can someone tell me why SPNB is purchasing a new design of 4-carriage train with a new type of inner carriage when they could also just couple two existing trains together)
Most likely it is cheaper to have a single automated 4-cars trainset, compared to two automated 2-cars trainset coupled together. The former I think need less automation equipment on-board.

AllUrban
04-06-2007, 02:42 PM
Most likely it is cheaper to have a single automated 4-cars trainset, compared to two automated 2-cars trainset coupled together. The former I think need less automation equipment on-board.interesting...just mentioned it because Vancouver's Millenium line runs 2 and 4-carriage trains, and they just couple the trains together...seems that KL will be the agency testing out the new design of the intermediate carriages...just as KL was the first agency to test out the ART Mark II design.

Cheers, m

sabre23t
04-06-2007, 06:36 PM
just mentioned it because Vancouver's Millenium line runs 2 and 4-carriage trains, and they just couple the trains together...
That make sense since they were looking for 2-cars and 4-cars trainset at the same time. So instead of ordering two different models, they just have a single order 60 cars (30 no 2-cars trainsets). Better economy of scale.

Now, RapidKL Kelana Jaya line already have 35 no 2-cars trainsets. It seems they don't need anymore 2-cars trainsets, but only needed 4-cars trainsets (22 nos). ;)

* wikipedia SkyTrain_(Vancouver)#Rolling_stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyTrain_(Vancouver)#Rolling_stock)
* wikipedia Kelana_Jaya_Line#Extensions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelana_Jaya_Line#Extensions)

AllUrban
05-06-2007, 06:34 PM
-- BERNAMA

Selangor To Extend LRT Network To Klang, Kajang & Rawang (http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=265779)


The LRT line will form a loop from Wilayah Persekutuan to Klang and straight on to Puchong, Bukit Jalil, Kajang, Ampang, Ulu Klang and Rawang, Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohamad Khir Toyo said Tuesday.well well well....oh, wait...HOW?????


The state government, he told Bernama, has allocated around RM12 billion to enhance the LRT system under the Ninth Malaysia Plan by way of Private Finance Initiatives.Amazing...they have this much money to spend? And they couldnt think of better ways to spend it?


Mohamad Khir told Bernama in an interview here that his government intends to extend the line from Kelana Jaya to Klang as well and from there to link up with Puchong.how, if they are using two different LRT technologies?


So, the public needs to be given the best choice of public transport.

"It is either you take your own car or take the best public transportation. We cannot force the public to choose the worst, but we can force the public to choose the best.right...and make them pay through the nose for a service they dont really need yet!


Mohamad Khir said Malaysia as a whole cannot be compared with Singapore's steady technology advances and rapid transportation, "but for Klang Valley, we can compare with Singapore apple-to-apple within five years if we can provide more in terms of ICT and public transportation system."yes, the comparison to Singapore....

a great way to waste money!!!!

Um...ok....RM12 billion can be used in far more and far better ways than to just spend it on LRT...how many of these communities even need LRT? And what about KTM? Forgot about them?

This is just .... well, Im speechless....

Cheers, m

sabre23t
05-06-2007, 07:47 PM
how, if they are using two different LRT technologies?Northern Shah Alam use Kelana Jaya line technology, Southern Shah Alam use Ampang line technology?

And what about KTM? Forgot about them?KTM need to put in place a solution for their "congested/shared" Angkasapuri to KLSentral stretch, also their flood prone Batu Tiga stretch. Maybe KTM should ask funding from Khir Toyo. :)

Teeque
06-06-2007, 02:40 AM
interesting...just mentioned it because Vancouver's Millenium line runs 2 and 4-carriage trains, and they just couple the trains together...seems that KL will be the agency testing out the new design of the intermediate carriages...just as KL was the first agency to test out the ART Mark II design.

Cheers, m
afaik, the 2 trainsets that was designed specially for the klputra lines are not expandable and was the cheaper option for putra at that time. when they (spnb) went back to bombardier for extension carriages, they were told that the kl trainsets were not expandable. that is why they now hv to order new 4 carriage trainsets instead. well, this country is well known for not planning well for the future ahead thats why...

Teeque
06-06-2007, 03:03 AM
-- BERNAMA

Selangor To Extend LRT Network To Klang, Kajang & Rawang (http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=265779)

...Um...ok....RM12 billion can be used in far more and far better ways than to just spend it on LRT...how many of these communities even need LRT? And what about KTM? Forgot about them?

This is just .... well, Im speechless....

Cheers, m
u all do know well that this lrt talk by the state govt is a means of finding ways to 'spent' the rm12bil allocated. frm the mb's statement, most of us can see that all that talk and 'plans' do not make sense at all, as if his spindoctors are just filling in the blanks with no clear idea what they're talking abt. furthermore, in PFI, the bulk of the fundings are raised by the project constructors, not the gomen. so, what is the rm12bil actually for???

yes, we would fail in the comparison to spore becos in 5 years time, they would still be well ahead with their new expansions and upgrades coming on. to rub salt to injury, it was malaysia which actually mooted mass transit first but it was spore who got off the starting blocks earlier and are way, way ahead now.

sabre23t
06-06-2007, 08:51 AM
... in PFI, the bulk of the fundings are raised by the project constructors, not the gomen. so, what is the rm12bil actually for? ...Yep, what that rm12b PFI (Private Finance Initiatives) will get us should be scrutinized. Would it get us "white elephant" over capacity under used system? Would it get us "overloaded" under specified needed system? Would it be a "sustainable" system that can be operated in the black? Are the "projected usage" of the system attainable, with reasonable assumptions of external factors, that are actually being implemented? :rolleyes:

great
06-06-2007, 04:55 PM
when to bulid LRT,it's underconstructon now?
discuss waste lots of time

great
06-06-2007, 05:43 PM
州政府撥120億解塞
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updated:2007-06-06 15:05:01 MYT
( Admin note - I suspect this was copied from an e-newspaper. Copyright issues forbid this copy-paste process, hence it is removed. Why can't people read, then write what they read in their own words ? Didn't you people learn precis in school? )

sabre23t
06-06-2007, 06:07 PM
when to bulid LRT,it's underconstructon now?
discuss waste lots of timeMmm ... You don't have to discuss if you don't want to. :D
No, the new LRT extensions are not yet under construction. And I can't read your next post, loads of "??????" :confused:

newpdg003
07-06-2007, 12:17 AM
I can give you one reason why...because the LRT system wouldnt be able to handle the number of passengers...

Right now many people would use the LRT and KTM, but choose not to because of delays and crowds...but also because the service doesnt take them right to their destination.

That is one reason why the Ampang Sri Petaling LRT line is under capacity.

Kelana Jaya line, on the other hand, runs through many neighbourhoods in PJ and KL and northeast...there are lots of passengers...and right now, KJ LRT is over capacity, running about 10,000 peak hour passengers using two carriage trains.

In less than two years (hopefully) they will be able to run longer trains on KJ LRT, and this will allow them to double their maximum capacity to 20,000 peak hour passengers....that will help for some time....but the extension to USJ and SJ will probably increase the passenger levels.

(Ps. can someone tell me why SPNB is purchasing a new design of 4-carriage train with a new type of inner carriage when they could also just couple two existing trains together)

Anyways....When the network is more complete...more and more people are going to start using LRT...maximum capacity for KJLRT can only be about 20,000 peak hour passengers....assuming one train every 90 seconds.

So at that point...there will have to be more expansion....which will cost alot of money again....

That's why the BRT/Tram option is a useful alternative to the LRT...you can build 10 lines for the same cost of the LRT extension, and it is easier to expand capacity when needed.

Some of the future LRT lines serving the Klang Valley can be introduced first as BRT lines...lines along Jalan Puchong and Jalan Klang Lama, Jalan Ipoh, Jalan Kuching, Jalan Tun Razak, Pers. Kewajipan, Jalan Gombak, and others.

Cheers, m

In fact, I expected our transit system will more look like Singapore MRT/LRT system. LRT design for main city, business center and huge population area, monorail design for suburban area. Bus Rapid system maybe the solution but not really a good solution, again it come out another traffic congestion problem unless we have less number of the car in city center and suburban area.


-- BERNAMA

Selangor To Extend LRT Network To Klang, Kajang & Rawang (http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=265779)

well well well....oh, wait...HOW?????

Amazing...they have this much money to spend? And they couldnt think of better ways to spend it?

how, if they are using two different LRT technologies?

right...and make them pay through the nose for a service they dont really need yet!

yes, the comparison to Singapore....

a great way to waste money!!!!

Um...ok....RM12 billion can be used in far more and far better ways than to just spend it on LRT...how many of these communities even need LRT? And what about KTM? Forgot about them?

This is just .... well, Im speechless....

Cheers, m

I welcome the LRT extend to more areas in Selangor. Just wondering, do they have enough money to extend more LRT line. I estimate they maybe build more underground station if necessary for extension line and new line.

I hope we will have underground in the future. Not exactly build the underground like London, but we can follow Singapore MRT way, some part in underground and some part elevator.


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updated:2007-06-06 15:05:01 MYT...(deleted by admin)

Thanks for the information above, but can you find some English news or translate in English, I think some of forum user also interesting on this news.

AllUrban
26-06-2007, 12:47 PM
Dato Lee was kind enough to write the following letter to the Star to respond to my comments about the LRT extension and post it on his website (http://hwabeng.org.my/comment/reply/441)....

Star Metro Mail

Dear Sir,

RESPONSE TO LETTER

I refer to the letter by En Moaz Yusuf Ahmad of Subang Jaya on the question of whether “Subang LRT link a viable option?.

En Moaz mentioned that it will be better to concentrate on “the existing bus system and the shelters before spending money on the LRT project” and the technical problem of building the LRT line over the Kewajipan Roundabout.

First of all, the Federal Government has not decided on the routes for the extension of the Putra LRT from Kelana Jaya to Subang Jaya / USJ. The routes that En Moaz mentioned was only a proposal from me after my discussion with residents and MPSJ. Anyway, this proposed route does not have to flyover the existing 3-tier interchange at Kewajipan Roundabout. It will only pass beside it before going to Sunway and then cross over to USJ via Kesas Highway.

I disagree with him that spending monies on LRT is a waste of funds. We can see from proven examples in the big cities of the world that train services (LRT & MRT) is the best method of moving people. It does not use the existing roads and does not have to stop for traffic lights. Any modern city that does not have such train services will face traffic congestion. After all the introduction of Rapid KL buses have not eased the traffic congestion. I am sure En Moaz’s view does not represent the majority of residents in Subang Jaya.

The Selangor Menteri Besar had recently announced that LRT is the only way to ease traffic congestion and that the Sate Government has allocated RM 12 billion funds to extend LRT services to all major towns in Selangor.

Hence, I urge the Federal Government to continue with the Putra LRT extension to Subang Jaya.

Thank you.

Yours In Service,

Lee Hwa Beng

State Assemblyman for Subang Jaya


I have posted a response on his website and appended the response below.

For those who have access to Malaysiakini.com, further details and information can be obtained there at the following pages:

http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/68616
http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/68922

As always, comments are welcome.

Cheers, m

my response to Dato Lee

Dear Dato Lee

I would like to respond to your comments as sent to the Metro section of the Star Newspaper and posted here on this website.

First of all, with respect to what you have referred to as the "technical problem of building the LRT line over the Kewajipan Roundabout" I would like to point out that there is very little space in the vicinity of the Kewajipan roundabout that would allow the construction of the LRT. Indeed, the preferred alignment would have to be on the south side, and the LRT would have to be elevated over the 3 tier metropolitan roundabout.

This will cost significant amounts of money. It is not as easy as it looks.

With respect to the comment that I have suggested it is "a waste of funds" to build LRT, I would like to point out that these words were not used or implied in my writing.

LRT projects require significant capital investment. That is a fact. For example, the PUTRA line cost RM150 million per km and the extension to Subang Jaya and USJ, requiring very complicated engineering, will cost even more money.

There are ways to build rapid transit that will cost alot less, and move as many people as LRT.

With respect to the comment that the introduction of rapidKL buses not reducing traffic congestion, I would like to point out that this is because the attitude of Malaysians towards the use of buses and public transit has left RapidKL with little option but to have its buses battle through the same traffic congestion as all others.

You mentioned that train services (LRT and MRT) are necessary for "big cities all over the world," and certainly this is correct. However, I would point out two things. First, that Subang Jaya is not a "big city" and second, that technology such as Bus Rapid Transit and Rapid Trams have also been used in many countries all over the world.

The possiblity of increased congestion is often mentioned, usually as an excuse to avoid making low-cost improvements to public transit and encouraging people to accept large mega-projects like LRT as the only option.

In fact conflicts with other traffic can be minimized with proper effort. Flyovers are common in Malaysia and can be used easily to help BRT and Rapid trams avoid traffic congestion. Traffic signal priority is another option that is easy to implement.

Overall, level of traffic congestion are often reduced because many people switch to using public transit, thus reducing the number of vehicles on the roads.

Instead of building one elevated LRT line, we could build 5 Bus Rapid Transit lines, or 3 rapid tram lines for Subang Jaya.

LRT does not need to be the first, last and only choice for Malaysia's urban communities.

Also, what about the visual impact that the LRT guideway and elevated stations (and inevitable advertising) will have on the Subang Jaya and USJ communities?

Yours Sincerely

Teeque
27-06-2007, 02:32 AM
hey hey, very good M! u hv got LHB's attention. next step now is to lobby him to 'convince' the State to spend the bulk of the 12bil fund in Sunway, Subang and Puchong. it IS going to be spent anyway so why not spend the most of it on the areas which needs it the most... :)

AllUrban
27-06-2007, 11:44 AM
hey hey, very good M! u hv got LHB's attention. next step now is to lobby him to 'convince' the State to spend the bulk of the 12bil fund in Sunway, Subang and Puchong. it IS going to be spent anyway so why not spend the most of it on the areas which needs it the most... :)hahahha seriously, I dont mind them spending money on transit...but Id rather see more transit for the same amount of money....

LRT isnt the magic train carrying the answer to all our problems.

Cheers, m

AllUrban
27-06-2007, 12:26 PM
Here is the full letter in response

I would like to thank Dato' Lee Hwa Beng, Assemblyman for Subang Jaya and MPSJ councillor for taking the time to respond to my earlier letter, published in the Star Newspaper Metro Edition on June 7. HIs comments and feedback, as always, are appreciated.

To respond to his letter, I would like to make the following points.

First of all, with respect to the "technical problem of building the LRT line over the Kewajipan Roundabout" I would like to point out that this will be costly, challening, and time consuming. There is very little space in the vicinity of the Kewajipan roundabout that would allow the easy construction of the LRT. Indeed, the preferred alignment would have to be on the south side, but the LRT would still have to be elevated high enough to pass over the Subang Kelana Link and the Kewajipan-NPE flyover.

With respect to the comment that I have suggested it is "a waste of funds" to build LRT, I would like to point out that these words were not used or implied in my writing.

LRT projects require significant capital investment. That is a fact. For example, the PUTRA line cost RM150 million per km and the extension to Subang Jaya and USJ, requiring very complicated engineering, will cost even more money.

There are ways to build rapid transit that will cost far less, but can still move as many people as LRT. Residents of Subang Jaya are looking to Dato' Lee, as the ADUN and MPSJ councillor, to carefully evaluate all of the options and find the best choice.

In addition to his strong support for LRT, Dato' Lee could also call for improvements to the existing KTM Komuter service, including a significant increase in train frequency or limited stop express Komuter trains that would only service major stations (like Subang Jaya).

Dato' Lee commented that the introduction of rapidKL buses has not reduced traffic congestion. Sadly, the attitude of Malaysians towards the use of buses and public transit has left RapidKL with little option but to have its buses battle through the same traffic congestion as all others.

I would like to point out that traffic congestion in Subang Jaya and USJ is caused by suburban development, significant traffic volume, problems with the cycling of traffic signals, and too few main roads connecting the two townships.

Dato' Lee could also support bus lanes on the larger dual-carriageway roads in Subang Jaya, such as Persiaran Kewajipan with 3-4 lanes in each direction. These roads are wide enough to support bus lanes, at little or no cost to automobile traffic.

The possiblity of increased traffic congestion is often mentioned as an excuse to avoid making low-cost improvements to public transit and encouraging people to accept large mega-projects like LRT as the only option. Actually, I believe that better, more reliable and more comfortable public transit service on our roads will actually reduce traffic congestion as fewer people will choose to drive everywhere they need to go.

Conflicts with other traffic can be minimized with proper effort. Flyovers are common in Malaysia and can be used easily to help BRT and Rapid trams avoid traffic congestion. Traffic signal priority is another option that is easy to implement. Rapid Buses and RapidTrams should not have to stop for traffic lights.

Dato' Lee also mentioned that train services (LRT and MRT) are necessary for "big cities all over the world," and certainly this is correct. However, I would point out two things. First, that Subang Jaya is not a "big city," it is a small township with terrible peak hour traffic congestion due to poor transportation planning. Second, that technology such as Bus Rapid Transit and Rapid Trams have also been used in many countries all over the world.

Generally, people dont care about the technology of rapid transit. They just want comfortable, convenient, reliable service. It is interesting to note that it was the arrival of organized rapidKL bus service, not LRT, that finally stopped the decline in public transit use over the past decade. In the future, greater use of rapidKL rapid transit and buses will decrease traffic congestion.

LRT is not a "magic train" with the solution for all our traffic congestion problems and it does not need to be the first, last and only choice for Malaysia's urban and suburban communities. Instead of building one elevated LRT line, we could build 5 Bus Rapid Transit lines, or 3 rapid tram lines for Subang Jaya. Even bus lanes would make a huge difference and help move alot of people.

Also, should we not consider the visual impact that the LRT guideway and elevated stations (and inevitable advertising) will have on the relatively quiet, suburban communities of Subang Jaya and USJ? The relative peace of these communities has already been disturbed by the construction of flyovers and the elevated Subang-Kelana link. An elevated LRT project will mean more construction, more noise, and more frustration for residents.

Yours Sincerely

Cheers, m

great
27-06-2007, 09:10 PM
Star also post that news

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2007/6/27/central/17973305&sec=central

AllUrban
02-07-2007, 04:27 PM
Perhaps LHB could take the LRT in the morning from Kelana Jaya to KL Sentral.

He could sit and watch the train fill up until bodies were packed together...

If he waited at Asia Jaya station, he could stand and wait with other passengers for 4 trains to pass by before he would be able to find space enough to board the train.

If he did this, perhaps he would reconsider his fervent hope for the extension of the Kelana Jaya LRT line to USJ and Subang Jaya....a line that he once described as "suitable for theme parks"

Kelana Jaya LRT is 140% of capacity during peak hours. No more room for any passengers. Even with 4-carriage trains there would still be passengers forced to wait for 2 trains to pass before they get a seat....>

How about arguing for better KTM Komuter services, or better and faster bus services, or bus lanes on the wider roads...instead of putting all of your hopes into a packed LRT?

cheers, m

pucman
07-07-2007, 11:37 AM
After more than one year of approving lrt plans, we have the announcement from govt today that it has only been 'approved' ? :rolleyes:

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/7/nation/18239125&sec=nation

How efficient can our govt be ? We still don't have the stations announced and there's no date for commencement or completion of lrt. :(

Teeque
08-07-2007, 04:20 AM
oh no no, its 'approved' by Transport ministry only, still yet to get Cabinet/gomen approval. then need EPU greenlight to award contracts/acquire land, after that need Treasury/MOF approval for the budget, then need local council's greenlight, then....

ng
08-07-2007, 02:28 PM
oh no no, its 'approved' by Transport ministry only, still yet to get Cabinet/gomen approval. then need EPU greenlight to award contracts/acquire land, after that need Treasury/MOF approval for the budget, then need local council's greenlight, then....

:eek: :( :mad:

Then after all the approval is finished and the LRT finally built, will we be five feet underground ? :rolleyes:

AllUrban
09-07-2007, 10:27 AM
After more than one year of approving lrt plans, we have the announcement from govt today that it has only been 'approved' ? :rolleyes:

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/7/nation/18239125&sec=nation

How efficient can our govt be ? We still don't have the stations announced and there's no date for commencement or completion of lrt. :(SPNB makes their plans, then forward to the ministry of transportation.

There were public meetings for the Damansara-Cheras line and the Seri Petaling extension....but no public meeting with SJ and USJ residents

Perhaps LHB could explain why there was no public meeting for the USJ and SJ extension? :confused: :eek: :(

Now that the transport ministry has approved, I'm sure things will be kept quiet until the cabinet sees the plan, quick approval, announcement of route given by NTR just in time for a................................general election!

Hooray for transport politics!

Announcement: maybe in 2 months
completion: construction starting by 2008? Completion in 3-5 years
cost: astronomical :p :eek:

Cheers, m

wai4u2my
06-08-2007, 03:02 PM
Proposed is just a proposed. When and how the action is going to take is another story. Like I just complaint to Datuk Lee regarding the street light is never been off since it on in SS19, Subang Jaya, the solution from the authority is just off the light and its never been on again.

I think if you guy really want to have better live & future in your area, the best way is to use your vote wisely. Election time is coming......we must have somebody strong to speak on our behalf on certain matter during the the TOP PEOPLE meeting.

kwchang
06-08-2007, 08:53 PM
Y R U putting political comments on an LRT thread? Have you not read my warnings?

Raikonen
10-08-2007, 08:34 AM
No LRT stops at three busy spots

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2007/8/10/central/18526567&sec=central

Sunway should have the one stop....Not good :confused:

fairplay5
10-08-2007, 10:46 AM
No LRT stops at three busy spots

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2007/8/10/central/18526567&sec=central

Sunway should have the one stop....Not good :confused:

Three busy areas and no Halts.They are making the same mistakes just like the useless stns of KTM

pcyeoh
11-08-2007, 07:41 PM
Metro Star
Friday August 10, 2007

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/revisedLRTroute.jpg

No LRT stops at three busy spots

( Admin note - copied content removed)

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2007/8/10/central/18526567&sec=central


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pucman
11-08-2007, 11:54 PM
Metro Star
Friday August 10, 2007



I thought it is going to stop at USJ 8 only. How come there is a line to USJ 19 and to USJ 24 ? :confused:

Maybe they will build a sunway lrt to connect to puchong instead. Since sunway is next to LDP and the LRT line can be build along LDP from IOI mall. puchong.

;)

Rocky19
12-08-2007, 12:37 AM
the loop to Sunway would cost more and takes more time for the train.Maybe that is one reason for them to bypass Sunway. Can sunway be serviced by feeder bus based on the current route?

USJ27Resident
12-08-2007, 01:14 AM
I thought it is going to stop at USJ 8 only. How come there is a line to USJ 19 and to USJ 24 ? :confused:

Probably because

USJ 19... for Rhythm Avenue Complex and surrounding areas.... (there is also a school near USJ20)

USJ24... for the nearby Puchong, USJ23-27 and Putra Heights residents??? (note: oso got a secondary school nearby.)

pucman
12-08-2007, 01:17 AM
the loop to Sunway would cost more and takes more time for the train.Maybe that is one reason for them to bypass Sunway. Can sunway be serviced by feeder bus based on the current route?


If the bus is as efficient and comfortable as singapore, then it is not a problem. :(


Another solution would be extending the sri petaling line to puchong then to sunway and eventually to intersect at ss15 ? This solution is better than NO lrt at sunway.

What do you guys think ?

kwchang
12-08-2007, 10:55 AM
PCYeoh had questioned my interpretation of copyrights regulations. As such I have split out the specific discussions to a new thread for all to comment. Please refer to interpretation of copyright regulations (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=19358)

AllUrban
12-08-2007, 05:27 PM
If the bus is as efficient and comfortable as singapore, then it is not a problem. :(


Another solution would be extending the sri petaling line to puchong then to sunway and eventually to intersect at ss15 ? This solution is better than NO lrt at sunway.

What do you guys think ?Remember that the plan was originally to extend the Sri Petaling Line to Old Klang Rd....

then they started saying Bandar Sunway....

hmmmm...why not do the smart thing, extend the Seri Petaling line from Seri Petaling through Sunway and Subang Jaya...

Phase 2 up through Damansara Utama, Bdr. Sri Damansara, then phase 3, Sentul through Selayang to meet up with the other end of the LRT in Kepong....?

The Kelana Jaya LRT can stay exactly where it is...and bus service will take care of the needs of USJ because USJ does not have the density to justify an elevated LRT.

For service in USJ, build trams in the centre of the wide wide roads, give them priority at traffic signals...

There you go, problem solved...

now instead...we get an extension of the Kelana Jaya LRT, we get an LRT which routes through Subang and USJ...via Jalan Jengka and past the Kesas highway.

(ps. that diagram you saw in the Star is false and confusing. The LRT guideway will not go through Sunway at all....actually this diagram should be showing the two different proposed routes in different colours...)

and why? Because some genius in the EPU or wherever decided to build an elevated highway over Pers Kewajipan....and because the people of USJ and SJ have been led by the nose into demanding an LRT....whatever the consequences....

Why didnt LHB demand better KTM service? Why didnt he demand bus lanes on the major roads? Why didnt he demand a bus station at the KTM station so buses could pull in and out fast?

Why?

Cheers, m

AllUrban
12-08-2007, 06:50 PM
comment on this letter.

Yes, I know that it is very tough and hard hitting but then...tough questions need to be asked


It was quite interesting to read the comments of local ADUN and Subang Jaya Councillor Lee Hwa Beng about the SPNB proposal for the route of the LRT extension to Subang Jaya and USJ. He complains about the fact that the route proposed by SPNB only provides service to Subang Jaya and USJ, and ignores the "citizen's" proposal which includes stops at Bandar Sunway, Lagoon Perdana, and USJ1.

Actually, the "citizen's" proposal was based on a series of assumptions made about the users of public transport. He never held a public meeting to prepare the "citizen's" proposal or discuss it with USJ and Subang Jaya residents.

In addition, Lee Hwa Beng continues to ignore some major truths about public transportation and sticks with his own assumptions.

First, he perpetuates the idea that public transport is for poor and middle income people, and they will readily switch to LRT if the LRT is built in their neighbourhood. Actually, this is unlikely. The truth is that you cannot just build an LRT in any neighbourhood and guarantee that it will be used. People arent going to get on the LRT if it does not take them to where they want to go.

Second, he assumes that the the LRT is elevated, so the LRT can fly over each and every obstacle that exists. Certainly, being elevated gives the LRT lots of flexibility, but the obstacles are significant. How would SPNB build an LRT over the Metropolitan Roundabout at Pers. Kewajipan, which already has 2 levels (NPE and Kewajipan-NPE Ramp) of flyovers, with a 3rd level (Subang-Kelana Link) currently under construction?

Third, he assumes that the LRT is the only transit mode that people will want to use. The truth is, there are many more transit modes than just the LRT. In the past 10 years, Lee Hwa Beng has largely ignored them. Sure, he worked to get the 305 Triton shuttle bus from KTM Subang Jaya to USJ 14, but when that bus stopped operating in 2005, he didnt fight for it. He probably didnt even know that Metrobus route #3 stopped operating without warning in early 2006.

Since 1994 he has not done much to fight for better, faster KTM Komuter service to Subang Jaya, or to have KTM offer shuttle bus service. He has not said much about the area in front of Sunway Pyramid, which is still a public transit mess.

His proposed solutions for reducing traffic congestion in front of the Summit complex and along Jalan Tujuan would be the construction of more flyovers. He claims that he is "helpless" in the construction of the Subang-Kelana link, which will bring more traffic through USJ and disturb communities in Subang Jaya.

He proposed an LRT stop for Lagoon Perdana but has not done much to fight on their behalf to get a RapidKL bus route to serve their community. In fact, he has already written off the overhauled RapidKL bus services in letters and on his website.

No one wishes to say that Lee Hwa Beng is wrong, but looking at his record on transportation, I think he should avoid making comments like "if Prasarana continues with their proposed route it definitely won't be successful...."

Instead of focusing all of their energies on bringing LRT service to their communities, Lee Hwa Beng and other ADUN and Councillors should be working on improving all public transit services for all residents.

That means having the guts to call for restricted bus lanes on major roads, financing and encouraging the construction of bus hubs that are easy for drivers and passengers to use, and enforcing bus stop and bus hub areas so they do not turn into parking lots for taxis and other drivers.

But of course, I understand that for ADUN and Councillors, bus lanes and traffic enforcement could never be as attractive as a megaproject like a proposed single LRT line or LRT extension.

For those who believe that an LRT connection to USJ 1 and Bandar Sunway is necessary, there is still hope. The Seri Petaling LRT could easily be extended through these points. In fact, an extension to Bandar Sunway was the original proposal before the idea of an LRT to Puchong came about. If the Seri Petaling LRT is extended through USJ1 and Bandar Sunway, it could also be extended through Petaling Jaya and Damansara Utama, Bandar Sri Damansara, Kepong, and Selayang, before connecting with the LRT in Sentul to create a complete LRT ring line.

That would be an LRT line worth fighting for. It would be the foundation of a real, integrate rail transit network, not a series of independent rail lines that happen to cross each other at a few points in the city.

Finally, I would like to point out to the Star that the map produced in the May 10 Metro edition shows the original route of the "Citizen's" Proposal (with 3 deleted halts). This is not the same route as that proposed by SPNB. The Star should redesign their map to show both proposed routes, so that the people can decide which route is actually better for their needs.


Cheers, m

USJ27Resident
12-08-2007, 10:00 PM
Actually, the "citizen's" proposal was based on a series of assumptions made about the users of public transport. He never held a public meeting to prepare the "citizen's" proposal or discuss it with USJ and Subang Jaya residents.

In addition, Lee Hwa Beng continues to ignore some major truths about public transportation and sticks with his own assumptions.

Woahhh!! AllUrban... who's letter is this la... :D

Just goes to show... when someone likes to assume too much.. the ASS shows... :p

Looks like someone really RED face this time... I wonder how he's gonna prepare for the coming GE... with this issue haunting him. Mebbe he will swap places with the ADUN from Puchong instead... LOL...

newpdg003
17-09-2007, 09:21 PM
How is the LRT proposal right now? The government announced the LRT proposal for extension line and new line last year, however we still do not know the propose LRT station for extension line and new line right now. Just wondering our government really forget this proposal or they really more interesting on Iskandar project instead of improve public transport system. I agree government want to attract more foreigner to inverst in our country but first of all should provide better public transport system and facilities.

I heard the LRT project will start at the end of the year. I hope the LRT company should at least let us now the propose station in both extension line and new line.

AllUrban
19-09-2007, 02:10 PM
How is the LRT proposal right now? The government announced the LRT proposal for extension line and new line last year, however we still do not know the propose LRT station for extension line and new line right now. Just wondering our government really forget this proposal or they really more interesting on Iskandar project instead of improve public transport system. I agree government want to attract more foreigner to inverst in our country but first of all should provide better public transport system and facilities.

I heard the LRT project will start at the end of the year. I hope the LRT company should at least let us now the propose station in both extension line and new line.I believe that they are working to finalize the land aquisition so that they can start building the LRT.

A few problems exist because the extension to Subang Jaya was never planned for in the original LRT design....

also there are many government agencies involved...MPSJ, MBPJ, Finance Ministry (owner of Prasarana and Rapid), Prime Minister's Dept (Economic Planning Unit), Ministry of Transportation (Rail division and Road Transport Department), Ministry of Works...

then the private corporations...for example, the company which currently responsible for maintaining Federal Highway (PLUS, I suppose), and whichever companies get the construction tenders...and Hartasuma and Bombardier will be involved in the design....

Anyways, they are finalizing things and will probably let the route be known in time for the general election which will likely be early next year.

Cheers, m

ng
07-12-2007, 02:52 AM
Anyways, they are finalizing things and will probably let the route be known in time for the general election which will likely be early next year.

Cheers, m

They should at least tell the public where the new stations are so that we can analyse whether their designs are flawless.

We can't wait until the next general election. It has been 1.5 years since they announced the plan and it has not been finalised ? At this rate, we will have to wait another 5 years for it to be built ?

Remember, oil prices are rising fast....

AllUrban
07-12-2007, 02:49 PM
Ng it appears that plan is still not finalized and things may have been changed right under our noses....

Check out the following maps, part of the Selangor Structural plan for MPSJ, MBSA, and MBPJ:

MPSJ District Rail Transportation (http://www.jpbdselangor.gov.my/Publisiti/Poster/Poster1_rel_transit_MPSJ.pdf)

Selangor Rail Transit network (http://www.jpbdselangor.gov.my/Publisiti/Poster/Poster5_rel_transit_overall.pdf )

If you take a close look at the maps, you will see something interesting...it appears that the Kelana Jaya LRT line will not be extended to Subang Jaya.

Instead, the Kelana Jaya LRT line will be extended to Shah Alam.

Subang Jaya will be serviced by a "laluan rel" from KTM Subang Jaya station, which will run down to USJ17.

In addition, it appears that the Seri Petaling LRT line will be extended into USJ...There will also be two north-south "laluan rel" links between Kota Kemuning and the KTM line, as well as similar links from Kg. Melayu Subang and Mah Sing areas.

....It also appears that the Selangor government wants a direct rail link between KL-Sentral and Subang Jaya...

So I dont know if that LRT extension announced by the federal government will be happening. Instead we will end up with something different...

guess what tho...without a reorganized, revamped bus service, we are all dead in the water anyways....petrol prices are going up and there will be few improvements to public transportation....in place to meet the huge increase in passengers.

Cheers, m

ng
07-12-2007, 05:05 PM
Ng it appears that plan is still not finalized and things may have been changed right under our noses....

Cheers, m

Thanks for this great map.

That's what I was afraid of. They can change the plans without consulting the residents. :(

It looks like the kelana jaya line is bypassing USJ altogether and going to shah alam.

And the sri petaling line is going through most of puchong before ending in usj 17.

So puchong properties prices are going sky high after people see this. :D

All the people in USJ has to go to USJ 17 to take LRT. What will pcyeoh says ?

JoeJaffar
07-12-2007, 06:08 PM
usj 17 is the bungalow area right?

the plan looked too simplistic.

newpdg003
09-12-2007, 01:30 AM
Ng it appears that plan is still not finalized and things may have been changed right under our noses....

Check out the following maps, part of the Selangor Structural plan for MPSJ, MBSA, and MBPJ:

MPSJ District Rail Transportation (http://www.jpbdselangor.gov.my/Publisiti/Poster/Poster1_rel_transit_MPSJ.pdf)

Selangor Rail Transit network (http://www.jpbdselangor.gov.my/Publisiti/Poster/Poster5_rel_transit_overall.pdf )

If you take a close look at the maps, you will see something interesting...it appears that the Kelana Jaya LRT line will not be extended to Subang Jaya.

Instead, the Kelana Jaya LRT line will be extended to Shah Alam.

Subang Jaya will be serviced by a "laluan rel" from KTM Subang Jaya station, which will run down to USJ17.

In addition, it appears that the Seri Petaling LRT line will be extended into USJ...There will also be two north-south "laluan rel" links between Kota Kemuning and the KTM line, as well as similar links from Kg. Melayu Subang and Mah Sing areas.

....It also appears that the Selangor government wants a direct rail link between KL-Sentral and Subang Jaya...

So I dont know if that LRT extension announced by the federal government will be happening. Instead we will end up with something different...

guess what tho...without a reorganized, revamped bus service, we are all dead in the water anyways....petrol prices are going up and there will be few improvements to public transportation....in place to meet the huge increase in passengers.

Cheers, m

Sorry for that, I am very weak in BM. Are " Cadangan rel" and "Cadangan Transit" are the same meaning? If they mention about the LRT plan, just put only one word maybe easy to understand instead of confusing people. Because I am thinking "rel" and "transit" are the different meaning.

kwchang
09-12-2007, 01:42 AM
...I am thinking "rel" and "transit" are the different meaning.I believe, in the context of usage, they are different entities. Rail (rel) would refer to the rail-road as in KTM while transit would encompass mass transit where you have the LRT and the city buses.

newpdg003
09-12-2007, 05:12 PM
I believe, in the context of usage, they are different entities. Rail (rel) would refer to the rail-road as in KTM while transit would encompass mass transit where you have the LRT and the city buses.

So, do you mean the Rail(Rel) is something look like a Tram?

AllUrban
09-12-2007, 05:39 PM
So, do you mean the Rail(Rel) is something look like a Tram?It could be a tram, it could be service like KTM, or perhaps even a monorail service.

For example, the line from the KTM Subang Jaya to USJ will likely be a monorail...though it could be possible to build it as a tram and elevate it when necessary....while the "Sri Subang" line will be more like the KTM Komuter service...since there is already a 1m gauge rail line between Batu Tiga and the Subang airport...

I personally support the idea of building 3-4 rapid tram lines in USJ and Subang Jaya, elevating them at intersections or to avoid obstacles, but otherwise running them along the centre of the main roads.

One advantage of trams is that we can build them with the same 1m gauge of the KTM service...so they could even have trams run directly from SJ to KL.

In fact, if KTM had extended the komuter service into SJ and USJ using trams...who knows what things would be like today.

Cheers, m

newpdg003
11-12-2007, 09:14 PM
It could be a tram, it could be service like KTM, or perhaps even a monorail service.

For example, the line from the KTM Subang Jaya to USJ will likely be a monorail...though it could be possible to build it as a tram and elevate it when necessary....while the "Sri Subang" line will be more like the KTM Komuter service...since there is already a 1m gauge rail line between Batu Tiga and the Subang airport...

I personally support the idea of building 3-4 rapid tram lines in USJ and Subang Jaya, elevating them at intersections or to avoid obstacles, but otherwise running them along the centre of the main roads.

One advantage of trams is that we can build them with the same 1m gauge of the KTM service...so they could even have trams run directly from SJ to KL.

In fact, if KTM had extended the komuter service into SJ and USJ using trams...who knows what things would be like today.

Cheers, m

It is good to have a Tram around KL and Selangor area if the state government decide to build Tram as a rail line for certain area. But I prefer we should have underground transit in KL for Mass Rapid Transit plan in future, because it will attract more people utilize this kind of public transport. Currently, only Kelana Jaya line has a few underground station.

Carolrasiah
11-12-2007, 09:41 PM
As long as it wheelchair friendly - I AM ALL for it, otherwise gre......... I'm a wheelchair user & oh man what a 'sweat' it here in Subang!!!!!!

Carolrasiah
11-12-2007, 09:52 PM
comment on this letter.

Yes, I know that it is very tough and hard hitting but then...tough questions need to be asked




Cheers, m
U are good.

newpdg003
15-12-2007, 09:48 PM
So, what is the LRT plan right now? I heard that government plan to start the LRT project by the end of this year. But I didn't see any LRT build around Kota Damansara area, even in Puchong? In fact, we still don't know the official LRT station plan announce in newspaper but only know according to the MPSJ map plan.

USJ27Resident
15-12-2007, 10:36 PM
So, what is the LRT plan right now?.....

Depends... things will start to roll once Scomi gets the consortiums to accept their LRT and monorail trains... :p

newpdg003
15-12-2007, 11:57 PM
This is the Top 11 Underground transit in the world:
http://www.virgin-vacations.com/site_vv/11-top-underground-transit-systems-in-the-world.asp

http://www.virgin-vacations.com/site_vv/images/london_tube.jpg

Look at the London Tube station, the structure is look simple and old design (cannot compare with the modern design like Singapore, Taiwan). I cannot really understand, why Malaysia cannot build the Underground in the city. I heard many people complain about current LRT route and station. Of course, there are limited place allow to design the LRT route. Underground remains the good solution for this problem and flexible design, it really bring a lot of convenience to citizen.

So if Malaysia manage to build "SMART", sure no problem to build underground. However, it can see our government still keep on doing the stupid plan for public transport and yet the traffic jam remain happening in Kuala Lumpur city. If you thinking KL always has flood problem, well, Singapore also rain everyday, but never see Singapore has flood problem and even never see their MRT get flood also. This is due to poor maintenance between government and the Company itself.

I would like to see KL has underground in stead of more LRT line. In fact, underground is more suitable to build in KL and Selangor area.

AllUrban
17-12-2007, 10:50 AM
Depends... things will start to roll once Scomi gets the consortiums to accept their LRT and monorail trains... :phehehe there are just a few million things going on for Prasarana...buying buses for RapidKL and RapidPenang, buying new carriages, planning 3 LRT lines with interference from politicians at all levels of government...taking over the KL Monorail...it's hard enough for Prasarana to keep track...not much they can do to keep the people informed...

Im writing an article now about the Selangor 2020 plan...as proposed...the ideas are all good, but not great...look at USJ for an example...the "laluan rel" traveling through USJ1 and USJ7, the "laluan transit" traveling across the river, through USJ8 and 14, and then following Pers. Kewajipan to USJ17...both of these routes look great, but they miss a lot of USJ.

If people have to get into their cars to travel to the LRT...then the battle is lost already...

For another example, look at the "laluan rel" that will travel from Bandar Utama through Petaling Jaya down to Kinrara. Why route the line along the LDP? It makes sense to route it through Damansara Utama, which is a highly dense area. Why the strange loop around PJ state? Why does the line cross the KTM line but there is no interchange station? Why does the line finish in Kinrara? It should be extended to create an interchange at Bandar Kinrara on the proposed KL-Puchong LRT line...

As far as m is concerned, it's easy to draw lines on a map...but public transport will get nowhere if the government doesnt organize transit properly under a single local authority. That step has to be taken soon.

Cheers, m

newpdg003
30-12-2007, 02:46 PM
hehehe there are just a few million things going on for Prasarana...buying buses for RapidKL and RapidPenang, buying new carriages, planning 3 LRT lines with interference from politicians at all levels of government...taking over the KL Monorail...it's hard enough for Prasarana to keep track...not much they can do to keep the people informed...

Im writing an article now about the Selangor 2020 plan...as proposed...the ideas are all good, but not great...look at USJ for an example...the "laluan rel" traveling through USJ1 and USJ7, the "laluan transit" traveling across the river, through USJ8 and 14, and then following Pers. Kewajipan to USJ17...both of these routes look great, but they miss a lot of USJ.

If people have to get into their cars to travel to the LRT...then the battle is lost already...

For another example, look at the "laluan rel" that will travel from Bandar Utama through Petaling Jaya down to Kinrara. Why route the line along the LDP? It makes sense to route it through Damansara Utama, which is a highly dense area. Why the strange loop around PJ state? Why does the line cross the KTM line but there is no interchange station? Why does the line finish in Kinrara? It should be extended to create an interchange at Bandar Kinrara on the proposed KL-Puchong LRT line...

As far as m is concerned, it's easy to draw lines on a map...but public transport will get nowhere if the government doesnt organize transit properly under a single local authority. That step has to be taken soon.

Cheers, m

That's why our government learn nothing from Japan. Japan has a very good management skill around the world, even US organization use Toyota management as an example.

Our government always say learn from Japan, I just wonder what they learn from Japan? Why this simple Public Transport plan also cannot do properly? Why everything don't want to discuss with citizen and make this mistake again and again? Miss Communication ?

We have already good example in our current LRT, KTM system, why still government want to make this mistake again?

Also, they always lying themself that our Public Transport are better than other country:eek: , bull****!

newpdg003
30-12-2007, 02:55 PM
That's why our government learn nothing from Japan. Japan has a very good management skill around the world, even US organization use Toyota management as an example.

Our government always say learn from Japan, I just wonder what they learn from Japan? Why this simple Public Transport plan also cannot do properly? Why everything don't want to discuss with citizen and make this mistake again and again? Miss Communication ?

We have already good example in our current LRT, KTM system, why still government want to make this mistake again?

Also, they always lying themself that our Public Transport are better than other country:eek: , bull****!


I can say Japan public transport system is the best around the world. I quite appreciate their underground system and the bullet train system. As I say, you don't feel so surprise that people from Osaka everyday take bullet train go to Tokyo to work. If travel by car from Osaka to Tokyo take around one day, but travel with bullet train just 15 minutes! Imagine if bullet train exist in here, I can go to Melaka to work or even Penang everyday, not need to stay in accommodation.

Very funny thing I heard from the newspaper said KTM wish to take over the YTL bullet train. I just wondering how the poor KTM company want to take over the bullet train. I would like to say please structure well in your organization and management than only you think about take over other people business. First of all, how much $$$ you earn from KTM? YTL is the rich company, you little poor KTM cannot compare with them even don't have enough qualification to take over other ppl business. This is my first time to heard such a childish word spoke from KTM people.

AllUrban
02-01-2008, 08:07 AM
As I say, you don't feel so surprise that people from Osaka everyday take bullet train go to Tokyo to work. If travel by car from Osaka to Tokyo take around one day, but travel with bullet train just 15 minutes! I dont think that would really be possible...since the trip between Osaka and Tokyo takes well over 2 hours.

Perhaps you were thinking of Osaka and Kyoto? But then, even they are 30-40 minutes apart.

Perhaps you meant Osaka to Tokyo in 150 minutes (2.5 hours)

Cheers, m

AllUrban
02-01-2008, 08:16 AM
As long as it wheelchair friendly - I AM ALL for it, otherwise gre......... I'm a wheelchair user & oh man what a 'sweat' it here in Subang!!!!!!you must hate dealing with SJ traffic, SJ buses, SJ roads...

They just widened pers. kewajipan between metropolitan roundabout and the Mesin Niaga building...the west side already is finished...they put the streetlamp poles and the grates for the drain right in the middle of the sidewalk...no way anyone using a wheelchair can pass by...

It's also unnecessary to have the streetlamps mounted on poles...they could be have easily been mounted to the underside of the Subang-Kelana monstrosity....

Sigh.......
:(

pucman
02-01-2008, 12:07 PM
Still no news of any LRT confirmation since the last petrol increase ?

All talk and no action ?
It' been almost 2 years since the talk.

patrick
02-01-2008, 05:20 PM
Still no news of any LRT confirmation since the last petrol increase ?

All talk and no action ?
It' been almost 2 years since the talk.

We all got conned from the last petrol price increase. Now what are they going to say with the next price increase??? NATO, NATO, NATO...........

AllUrban
05-01-2008, 04:09 PM
I am so looking forward to tomorrow's "briefing" at the MPSJ hall....

You may hear me voice the following points/questions/comments/concerns that are in my mind:

Relating to the proposed transit lines
* What happened to the proposed Kelana Jaya line extension to SJ? Why are the Selangor government and Federal government giving us different proposed lines?

This point refers to the fact that the KJ line will be extended to Shah Alam and Klang...although there will be a line serving USJ and SJ, it will go to SJ KTM station only...not the LRT...
So what happened????

* Are these proposed lines in sync with what the DBKL has proposed?

I wouldnt be too surprised if the Selangor government and DBKL are not talking to each other

* Why are some of the lines not connected to each other even though there is not so much distance?

The example of the "Sunway Kinrara" and "Kinrara" stations...they are very close, they could connect both lines to build a proper transit hub

* Why are the 2 lines in the USJ area serving the USJ1 and USJ7 Industrial park rather than the residential areas?

last time I checked, very few people live and work in industrial parks...they do not have the density to justify mass transit...at the same time, there will be little or no service for USJ2-6, 8-15, etc.

* Why is there no transit-oriented development in Subang Jaya?

Transit oriented development will build a new lifestyle for Malaysians. In addition, TOD is a great way for a transit operator to make money...look at the wealth of MTR Corp in HK, which builds major property developments around MTR stations.

* What exactly does "laluan transit" and "laluan rel" actually mean?

the government has to start moving away from building LRT lines as a transit solution...rapid trams are the most cost effective form of transit to introduce

Regarding current transit service

The current committment to public transit service from the MPSJ and state government seems to be "If we build it (LRT) they will come"... Yet I have noticed that in the past 10 years since the LRT has been operating in Malaysia, public transit services and the use of public transit has actually declined!

So therefore:

* what is your committment to improving public transit and public transportation services? I have heard alot about LRT but what about improving the KTM Komuter service?

It would cost a lot less to improve the KTM service than to build new LRT lines along the east-west corridor...all that is needed is to buy more trains and hire more employees! KTM already services the KL-Klang route and can carry far more people than the LRT!

*When will you (MPSJ and State Gov) commit to bus lanes (especially for use during peak hours), improved public transit terminals, better public transit service, etc?

Without these improvements, few people will be encouraged to use public transportation. We have to reduce traffic in SJ and USJ, as well as build connections to KL and other communities...

Special mention
* Why is it that the people of Lagoon Perdana still do not have RapidKL bus service in their area?

RapidKL has been operating service in SJ since September 2006 but service to Lagoon Perdana (a large collection of apartments and condos) is nonexistent! Where is the committment from the government? It seems that the YB was focusing on an LRT station for Lagoon Perdana...and he forget about their current needs

Cheers, m

pucman
05-01-2008, 10:01 PM
I am so looking forward to tomorrow's "briefing" at the MPSJ hall....



Do update in this forum. I have also been reading conflicting reports.

In the chinese newspaper, there are different versions.
It seems that the LRT is going to be extended to USJ as originally plan.

AllUrban
07-01-2008, 02:24 PM
This is what I gathered from the presentation:

*The line is going ahead as originally planned. It appears that there will be an extension of the Kelana Jaya LRT line to Shah Alam and Klang

>I dont agree with the extension of the Kelana Jaya line to SJ and USJ, but I have a compromise. See my reasons and suggested compromise here (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=277271&postcount=4). As for the extension to Shah Alam and Klang, I believe that it could be useful, but I would rather see more money put into the KTM Komuter service.

*The Seri Petaling LRT will be extended to Puchong IOI mall and then cross the river. It will terminate at USJ 17

>I agree with this proposal with some reservations. I believe that a terminus closer to the highway would be better, allowing more space for parking and a bus terminal.

*The gap between SJ KTM and Kelana Jaya is because the map is out of date (based on 2003 info)

>This has yet to be confirmed

*There will be a line from KL to Puchong, following Jalan Klang Lama from KL, Jalan Puchong through Kinrara, and the LDP through Puchong

> I agree with this line (I have in fact called for this line for a long time)

In general, the current thinking remains focused on LRT despite its disadvantages. I believe that our elected representatives (ADUN and MP) owe it to the residents to consider alternatives that would be more effective, benefit more people, cost less, and have less of an impact on our community.

Cheers, m

pucman
07-01-2008, 05:40 PM
This is what I gathered from the presentation:

[B]*The line is going ahead as originally planned. It appears that there will be an extension of the Kelana Jaya LRT line to Shah Alam and Klang

alternatives that would be more effective, benefit more people, cost less, and have less of an impact on our community.



The original plan is to extend from kelana jaya to sj and usj. What happened to it ?

Alternatives ? We don't want another different messy LRT system again. Right now, there are 3 separate LRT system in KL - kelana jaya, monorail, sri petaling.

Everytime we have to change lrt system, we have to queue up, wait another 20 minutes (off peak hours) on the platform, walk quite a distance to the next system etc.

It is really a nightmare, time consuming and costly indeed for the consumers. In no way , is it more beneficial for the people with such a messy system.

Look at how convenient singapore MRT is. One integrated system, one payment structure and convenient to switch stations.

AllUrban
08-01-2008, 11:30 AM
The original plan is to extend from kelana jaya to sj and usj. What happened to it ?.I am still trying to get clear information about this. Currently it appears that there will be two extensions of the Kelana Jaya line...one serving Shah Alam and Klang, the other to SJ and USJ/Putra Heights.

The problem is that the Kelana Jaya line, with 4 carriage trains, has a maximum capacity of 520 people...and those trains are full in PJ...so if you are adding on passengers from USJ and Shah Alam...there will be no space for them!


Alternatives ? We don't want another different messy LRT system again. Right now, there are 3 separate LRT system in KL - kelana jaya, monorail, sri petaling.

Everytime we have to change lrt system, we have to queue up, wait another 20 minutes (off peak hours) on the platform, walk quite a distance to the next system etc.

It is really a nightmare, time consuming and costly indeed for the consumers. In no way , is it more beneficial for the people with such a messy system.

Look at how convenient singapore MRT is. One integrated system, one payment structure and convenient to switch stations.You are right and you are wrong...the system is not a mess because they use different technology...it is because the systems were not integrated...they were built by separate companies with separate interests in their own profits...

Look at this example...SPNB (which owns the other LRT lines) now owns the KL Monorail but they are still operating it as a separate system from RapidKL. In fact, they have changed the name to KL Starrail...they do not appear to have an intention to integrate the monorail with RapidKL or the LRT system....

The issue here has always been that those who make the decisions are wowed by flashy elevated trains and they think that elevated trains are the only answer...and the residents and taxpayers will never support any alternative to the use of the car...

Well, there are many other answers...many alternatives...that we need to explore

Just to start...we could easily expand the KTM Komuter service!

Currently KTM operates 3-carriage trains carrying 550 people on a frequency of about 15 minutes.

If more carriages are purchased, the frequency could be increased to as little as 6 minutes between trains.

Then there is the option of expanding trains...there is room for 6-carriage trains carrying 1100 people at the existing platforms, and these platforms can be expanded in most places to support 9-carriage trains carrying 1650 people).


Cheers, m

pucman
09-01-2008, 12:43 AM
I am still trying to get clear information about this. Currently it appears that there will be two extensions of the Kelana Jaya line...one serving Shah Alam and Klang, the other to SJ and USJ/Putra Heights.



If there are two lines extended from kelana jaya, it might be the same as the current Chan Sow Lin station which splits into ampang and sri petaling line.

I would prefer that shah alam,klang connects to KTM instead as KTM is meant for long distance travel while LRT is meant for medium and short distance.

The kelana jaya line should just be extended to Subang/USJ.

Furthermore, I read a report that there is a proposal by the state assemblyman of puchong ie. Dr Kow that the sri petaling line should join the kelana jaya line (via usj) at Puchong.

This proposal is good because it gives USJ people more choices whether to use sri petaling or kelana jaya line.

For example, If USJ people want to go to bukit jalil (which is quite near USJ), or cheras they won't have to take the kelana jaya LRT all the way to masjid jamik to change the train to sri petaling line. :rolleyes:

This will take ages as it is one big loop (via KL) instead of a straight line going to bukit jalil or puchong from USJ !!

I hope you can convey this fault to them.

AllUrban
09-01-2008, 11:25 AM
If there are two lines extended from kelana jaya, it might be the same as the current Chan Sow Lin station which splits into ampang and sri petaling line

I would prefer that shah alam,klang connects to KTM instead as KTM is meant for long distance travel while LRT is meant for medium and short distance.

The kelana jaya line should just be extended to Subang/USJ. If there are two extensions you are probably right about the layout. I suppose the station will be at the RapidKL Depoh (Lembah Subang Station)...which means that there will be a 5 minute delay

As Ive said before...there is no space on the rapidKL trains...for existing passengers, let alone passengers from USJ or Shah Alam or Klang. The LRT will NOT be useful to get you to KL during peak hours unless you are prepared to get packed in like sardines.


Furthermore, I read a report that there is a proposal by the state assemblyman of puchong ie. Dr Kow that the sri petaling line should join the kelana jaya line (via usj) at Puchong. Pucman, the Sri Petaling LRT will be extended to USJ17, according to the draft local plan. I believe that a further extension (out to the ELITE Highway) would be a better idea.

Either way, the two LRT lines will meet in USJ, probably at a site in USJ8.

Most importantly, there is a proposed LRT line along Jalan Puchong...which will meet the Seri Petaling LRT at IOI mall. So, USJ residents can have 3 options to get into KL...as well as a direct connection to Bukit Jalil, Puchong Jaya, and Bandar Kinrara.

The Seri Petaling LRT line is under capacity and has more room for more passengers than the Kelana Jaya line does.

That is why I proposed to extend the Seri Petaling LRT from Seri Petaling to Subang Jaya, Kelana Jaya, Damansara, Kepong, and loop back at Sentul, to build one large ring line...

then, the Kelana Jaya line can be extended to Shah Alam without much trouble and SJ residents will still have their LRT connection....

An alternative, the rapid tram, is also acceptable. This proposal allows for 4 lines (not 1) and will not have such a negative effect on the lifestlye of Subang Jaya.

Cheers, m

newpdg003
04-04-2008, 02:39 PM
Just wondering will the LRT extension project stop after the election 2008? Since BN lost the selangor state and I feel like they won't start this project any more?

This LRT project had been planned last two years ago. I was heard they want to start the LRT project last year December. Until today, I can hear the thunder storm but no rain at all.

pucman
04-04-2008, 06:08 PM
This LRT project had been planned last two years ago. I was heard they want to start the LRT project last year December. Until today, I can hear the thunder storm but no rain at all.

THey have been talking about this for 2 years and nothing has been done. So It could be just an election gimmick ?

CS Chua
05-04-2008, 06:37 AM
THey have been talking about this for 2 years and nothing has been done. So It could be just an election gimmick ?
Precisely and that will not be their first time. Please do not forget their old tricks so fast. If losing to the opposition does not motivate them to build it faster, nothing else will.

newpdg003
05-04-2008, 03:51 PM
Precisely and that will not be their first time. Please do not forget their old tricks so fast. If losing to the opposition does not motivate them to build it faster, nothing else will.

I though they should have more motivate to build it faster even they lost the election :eek: . If they really use as an election gimmick, as a citizen, I will like to say goodbye to them, they are not eligible to develop this country. We better let opposition become the federal government, because we don't want stingy government!

Build a LRT is not an election gimmick, this is the essential facilities should have it right now. Just a matter whether they plan this project properly. Nothing can gain but bring more benefit to us, why not?

Anyway, I would like to suggest build an underground is more better than elevator station. I say this so many time just only hope we have more underground station instead of right now we have only 5 underground station. We not necessary build like London underground, but should have 10 underground station for extension Star LRT, another 10 for new Damansara-Cheras LRT plus 6 more for extension Putra LRT.

Although build an underground station need $$, however, our land condition allow to build an underground railway.

kwchang
06-04-2008, 01:59 AM
If you take note of the LRT/MRT systems in the world, underground stations are only built within the city center. All suburban locations are served by ground level or above-ground tracks.

newpdg003
07-04-2008, 03:42 AM
If you take note of the LRT/MRT systems in the world, underground stations are only built within the city center. All suburban locations are served by ground level or above-ground tracks.

That's why KL are more suitable to have underground station, beside the Putra LRT, see all this Star LRT and monorail making KL city more messy. Hopefully the new LRT project should concern about this.

CS Chua
07-04-2008, 08:16 AM
I though they should have more motivate to build it faster even they lost the election :eek: . If they really use as an election gimmick, as a citizen, I will like to say goodbye to them, they are not eligible to develop this country. We better let opposition become the federal government, because we don't want stingy government!
Actually in spite of what they proudly proclaim, the Federal government is very stingy. Some years back, they finally built a basketball court in either SS18 or SS14 and lots of space were devoted by the Star to the opening ceremony by LHB. It was only a basketball court, for crying out loud (no pun intended) and yet, it was news worthy and residents were quoted thanking their lucky stars and the BN for building it.

I thought to myself, that they have reduced us to beggars that we should be grateful for crumbs like basketball courts, parks, clean drains, fire station, hospitals, police stations etc instead of expecting these as our rights as taxpayers, while they themselves squander billions of ringgit away.

The LRT is not a privilege that we are asking for. It is part of good infrastructure planning and modern living. If they cannot understand that and continue to patronise the people of this country, they are in for a greater shock at the next general election. Mark my word.

AllUrban
07-04-2008, 02:36 PM
If you take note of the LRT/MRT systems in the world, underground stations are only built within the city center. All suburban locations are served by ground level or above-ground tracks.this is exactly the reason why we should invest in a rail system that gives us the greatest flexibility. I believe that an extension of the Kelana Jaya LRT will be a poor choice because it lacks flexibility. The KJ LRT technology can operate above, below and at ground level but it cannot operate along the roads.

Because the KJ LRT technology is only available from one company it is proprietary and therefore, costs more money.

In contrast, 3rd trail metro technology and tram technology are produced by many companies, which gives us the flexibility and allows open and transparent tendering.

In addition, the tram technology allows operation along roadways and even in mixed traffic, which no metro or LRT can do.

As for underground in SJ...as far as I know, SJ is granite underground, which would make tunneling very costly. As for KL, there are many underground caverns which also make tunneling very costly...tunnels have to be built very very carefully.

Cheers, m

newpdg003
26-04-2008, 01:45 AM
Actually in spite of what they proudly proclaim, the Federal government is very stingy. Some years back, they finally built a basketball court in either SS18 or SS14 and lots of space were devoted by the Star to the opening ceremony by LHB. It was only a basketball court, for crying out loud (no pun intended) and yet, it was news worthy and residents were quoted thanking their lucky stars and the BN for building it.

I thought to myself, that they have reduced us to beggars that we should be grateful for crumbs like basketball courts, parks, clean drains, fire station, hospitals, police stations etc instead of expecting these as our rights as taxpayers, while they themselves squander billions of ringgit away.

The LRT is not a privilege that we are asking for. It is part of good infrastructure planning and modern living. If they cannot understand that and continue to patronise the people of this country, they are in for a greater shock at the next general election. Mark my word.

I believe my guessing is true, the bullet train project has been derailed right now. The next will be the LRT projects in Klang Valley since no any news about this project we can hear right now, and never see any LRT's construction build up recently.



this is exactly the reason why we should invest in a rail system that gives us the greatest flexibility. I believe that an extension of the Kelana Jaya LRT will be a poor choice because it lacks flexibility. The KJ LRT technology can operate above, below and at ground level but it cannot operate along the roads.

Because the KJ LRT technology is only available from one company it is proprietary and therefore, costs more money.

In contrast, 3rd trail metro technology and tram technology are produced by many companies, which gives us the flexibility and allows open and transparent tendering.

In addition, the tram technology allows operation along roadways and even in mixed traffic, which no metro or LRT can do.

As for underground in SJ...as far as I know, SJ is granite underground, which would make tunneling very costly. As for KL, there are many underground caverns which also make tunneling very costly...tunnels have to be built very very carefully.

Cheers, m

We not neccessary to have an underground look like London's underground, but Underground station is neccessary build up in KL town. I agree we have to becareful to construct an underground station in KL town, but we can use certain road of KL to constructing an underground station and it is not neccessary to build an underground station in very deep. Just like current Putra LRT underground station.

Tram maybe suitable for rural area but not in the town. Hence it is not suggest to exist in Subang area.

patrick
27-04-2008, 06:31 PM
I believe my guessing is true, the bullet train project has been derailed right now. The next will be the LRT projects in Klang Valley since no any news about this project we can hear right now, and never see any LRT's construction build up recently.......

Tram maybe suitable for rural area but not in the town. Hence it is not suggest to exist in Subang area.

If you all remember well, the extension to the LRT for the Klang Valley was mentioned by the PM after the petrol price increase. Openly said that the revenue saved would be invested into this area. How long has it been since the petrol price increase? Where is the LRT? I am fuming mad becos I too pay for the price increase of petrol. I want my LRT right here, right now!!

pucman
27-04-2008, 08:08 PM
Where is the LRT? I am fuming mad becos I too pay for the price increase of petrol. I want my LRT right here, right now!!

Perhaps gone to pay for sending space tourist ?

AllUrban
28-04-2008, 01:11 PM
Tram maybe suitable for rural area but not in the town. Hence it is not suggest to exist in Subang area.Ironic, because I have never seen a successful tram line that was not built in a town area.

The most successful tram lines in the world have trams in urban areas. Look at Melbourne as an example.

Cheers, m

NAVY
14-08-2008, 10:26 AM
Is there any update on the new LRT in USJ? I heard that they are going to start building LRT in putra height this year end.

AllUrban
14-05-2009, 07:55 PM
Is there any update on the new LRT in USJ? I heard that they are going to start building LRT in putra height this year end.SJ Echo posted the following article today about concerns regarding the LRT extension to Putra Heights.

http://www.sjecho.com.my/?page=article&id=860

See comments from TRANSIT as well.

http://transitmy.org/2009/05/14/article-all-rumours-says-minister-of-transport/

The Minister has made it clear that the plan is not complete and the 3month objection period has not started yet.

I simply want to know why it has taken 5 years?

Cheers, m

AllUrban
09-06-2010, 01:11 PM
bumping this thread up in light of the recent proposal for an MRT system in KL costing at least RM30-50 billion.

More info here including lots of articles: http://transitmy.org/2010/06/09/transit-comments-on-the-proposed-mrt-plans/

Cheers, m

pucman
09-06-2010, 01:35 PM
bumping this thread up in light of the recent proposal for an MRT system in KL costing at least RM30-50 billion.

More info here including lots of articles: http://transitmy.org/2010/06/09/transit-comments-on-the-proposed-mrt-plans/

Cheers, m


They can't even complete the LRT extension to puchong/usj after talking for so many years. And they want to talk about a new MRT ?

I can tell you the completion of the LRT extension will be delayed again for a few more years. That's how inefficient our govt is.

:rolleyes:

bslee
09-06-2010, 01:38 PM
That's how inefficient our govt is.


They've told you that they've reached their KPI's mah!..

locust
09-06-2010, 02:10 PM
bumping this thread up in light of the recent proposal for an MRT system in KL costing at least RM30-50 billion.

More info here including lots of articles: http://transitmy.org/2010/06/09/transit-comments-on-the-proposed-mrt-plans/

Cheers, m
MRT, only now? abt 20 years too late compare to Singapore.

Wouldnt it be better if these rm30billoin use to improve LRT, monorail, busses, roads or hiways?

What about taxis still refusing using meters & we still have to haggle for price when their taxi doors printed,"This is meter taxi, No haggling" etc

Cakap tak serupa bikin, Welcome to Malaysia

AllUrban
09-06-2010, 03:54 PM
They've told you that they've reached their KPI's mah!..have you actually seen the list of KPIs? Basically it contains stuff they have already done, or stuff that has such an insignificant impact that it is not even worthy of mention.

For example, the 4-carriage trains that were included in the KPI were purchased in 2009 under PM Abdullah.

Also, the 4 new RapidBET routes are carry about 1000 extra passengers between them in the AM and PM peak hours.

Well, it will be interesting to see what the PM announces on Thursday for the 10MP

Cheers, m

AllUrban
09-06-2010, 03:57 PM
MRT, only now? abt 20 years too late compare to Singapore.

Wouldnt it be better if these rm30billoin use to improve LRT, monorail, busses, roads or hiways?

What about taxis still refusing using meters & we still have to haggle for price when their taxi doors printed,"This is meter taxi, No haggling" etc

Cakap tak serupa bikin, Welcome to MalaysiaSingapore took care of all of those things starting about 35 years ago - then they started building the MRT lines.

It is all part of a carefully-planned system that leads to maximum value. We have to fix the system first, then build the MRT/LRT etc.

Cheers, m

bslee
09-06-2010, 04:13 PM
have you actually seen the list of KPIs? Basically it contains stuff they have already done, or stuff that has such an insignificant impact that it is not even worthy of mention.


What is he blabbering about here?
I really don't know to what extent is real or believable.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/5/nation/20100605135200&sec=nation

vsat
09-06-2010, 07:15 PM
Singapore took care of all of those things starting about 35 years ago - then they started building the MRT lines.

It is all part of a carefully-planned system that leads to maximum value. We have to fix the system first, then build the MRT/LRT etc.

Cheers, m

A monkey can design the transportation system in Singapore because the country is so small (700Sq km)
PLease don't compare the transportation system in Malaysia and Singapore. Have some common sense.

pucman
09-06-2010, 08:18 PM
A monkey can design the transportation system in Singapore because the country is so small (700Sq km)
PLease don't compare the transportation system in Malaysia and Singapore. Have some common sense.


Is the size of greater KL (KL, PJ, USJ) bigger or smaller than Singapore ?

We are not talking about MRT for whole of Malaysia.

fRaNkY
09-06-2010, 08:56 PM
Better forget about MRT lar... everytime raining, the MRT becomes submarine :D

Just now over the radio around 6 just heard people complaining about the monorail about an hour. It was raining awhile before that.

locust
09-06-2010, 09:39 PM
A monkey can design the transportation system in Singapore because the country is so small (700Sq km)
PLease don't compare the transportation system in Malaysia and Singapore. Have some common sense.
The comparison is not whole of Msia, just compare Singapore & KL/Selangor, city to city & tell me who has world class transportation?

I recently took a KL-SG return flight. Here, a taxi ride to & fro KLIA, each trip rm65, total rm130.
In Sg, i took mrt from Changi Airport to City Centre, SG$2. Then City Centre to Changi, SG$2. Total trip, SG$4.

rm130 & SG$4, such a vast difference!

locust
09-06-2010, 09:51 PM
Is the size of greater KL (KL, PJ, USJ) bigger or smaller than Singapore ?

We are not talking about MRT for whole of Malaysia.
Exactly my point.

Why cant KL/Selangor be well-planned like Sg? I guess all of us know why.

pucman
09-06-2010, 10:44 PM
The comparison is not whole of Msia, just compare Singapore & KL/Selangor, city to city & tell me who has world class transportation?

I recently took a KL-SG return flight. Here, a taxi ride to & fro KLIA, each trip rm65, total rm130.
In Sg, i took mrt from Changi Airport to City Centre, SG$2. Then City Centre to Changi, SG$2. Total trip, SG$4.

rm130 & SG$4, such a vast difference!

Msia also has KLIA express but the price is ridiculously high RM 35 when compared with Spore.

The KLIA taxi industry is protecting their crony company. As a democratic country, the KLIA taxi service should be open to everyone.

I remember when I was in Thailand, the budget taxi drivers there queue for customers. First come, first serve.

No such thing as a monopolised taxi company and making all other taxi drivers 'illegal' just to protect their cronies.

bslee
09-06-2010, 10:56 PM
Msia also has KLIA express but the price is ridiculously high RM 35 when compared with Spore.
..........their cronies.

Oh well, thats the kind of culture everyone have to swallow and put up with as long as you, I and most others still insist on calling this land home. We allowed them to develop such cultures thats already turned local tradition..so applies the common lingo of "biasa lah!". We have ourselves to blame for allowing them to do as they please, how they please themselves no matter lobsided and not to please you, I and 25 million others. This phenomenon will not change for the next century...believe it! The only ways are to work around it (whatever thats humanly possible) OR do without it.
Look at the tolled road issue.. who the heck is going to bring those flers who signed lobsided concessions which everyone knows is a burden to the rakyat, to justice?... NO-ONE! the damage was done and too late!
Its now quite apparent that the rakyat pays a HIGH PRICE to keep up for deficiencies or shortcomings in the infrastructure or facilities.

AllUrban
09-06-2010, 11:15 PM
A monkey can design the transportation system in Singapore because the country is so small (700Sq km)
PLease don't compare the transportation system in Malaysia and Singapore. Have some common sense.I suppose that if a monkey can design the transportation system in Singapore, it sure explains a lot. :p

It tells me that Singapore is way ahead of Malaysia because their monkeys are educated well enough to become engineers. In contrast, monkeys in Malaysia go to Parliament or show up and post random nonsense comments in usj.com.my....... :D

Cheers, m

chookyan
10-06-2010, 09:04 AM
I suppose that if a monkey can design the transportation system in Singapore, it sure explains a lot. :p

It tells me that Singapore is way ahead of Malaysia because their monkeys are educated well enough to become engineers. In contrast, monkeys in Malaysia go to Parliament or show up and post random nonsense comments in usj.com.my....... :D

Cheers, m

110% sokong with AllUrban comments. In Singapore the MRT can be extended with no problems cos there is foresight in the planning. Here no way - just look at Kelana Jaya and Ampang line uses different kind of train sets - How to integrate and extend?????????

vsat
10-06-2010, 09:39 AM
Seriously guys...new townships like Puchong, Kota Damansara, Putrajaya and Putra Heights came about recently.

The rest in Rawang, Port Klang, Gombak, etc has Komuter.

Guys, our total land area is huge.

Right now, we have the Komuter, Monorail, Star LRT, Putra LRT and ERL which I think serves every corner of the Klang Valley but seriously, you can't compare Singapore and Klang Valley. And the LRT is now extending to USJ, Cheras, Puchong, etc.

Sabar menanti can or not?

jimmyay
10-06-2010, 09:52 AM
Seriously guys...new townships like Puchong, Kota Damansara, Putrajaya and Putra Heights came about recently.

The rest in Rawang, Port Klang, Gombak, etc has Komuter.

Guys, our total land area is huge.

Right now, we have the Komuter, Monorail, Star LRT, Putra LRT and ERL which I think serves every corner of the Klang Valley but seriously, you can't compare Singapore and Klang Valley. And the LRT is now extending to USJ, Cheras, Puchong, etc.

Sabar menanti can or not?

Look at the mess... poorly built MRR, road get built and re-tar & re-tar again and again. The 'new' LKSA highway connecting Kota Kemuning to Federal Highway condition is terrible. All these 'cronies-bias' planning are not benefiting the rakyat. How to sabar-sabar?

If you said the Spore..MRT are 'monkey-planned', what are ours... bird brain? Let say we a new party took over, how long it takes to put things back into pieces? It is not a simple PC-reformat process.

jan tomaswaki
10-06-2010, 10:45 AM
If you said the Spore..MRT are 'monkey-planned', what are ours... bird brain? Let say we a new party took over, how long it takes to put things back into pieces? It is not a simple PC-reformat process.

What bird brain! :mad: mosquito brain lah :D

locust
10-06-2010, 11:46 AM
Seriously guys...new townships like Puchong, Kota Damansara, Putrajaya and Putra Heights came about recently.

The rest in Rawang, Port Klang, Gombak, etc has Komuter.

Guys, our total land area is huge.

Right now, we have the Komuter, Monorail, Star LRT, Putra LRT and ERL which I think serves every corner of the Klang Valley but seriously, you can't compare Singapore and Klang Valley. And the LRT is now extending to USJ, Cheras, Puchong, etc.

Sabar menanti can or not?
Towns like Puchong came out 10+ years ago, in 2006 we were promised LRT & better transport system but now is already 2010, i dont see any hair or tails of it, no constructions. All i can see is cars pilling up at LDP IOI mall/Tesco.

There's no buses plying Puchong-Sunway & Puchong-Subang even tho we are closeby. Other options would be taking the pathetic, hourly mini bus or taking a slaughthering rm20 taxi ride.

Talking abt Komuter, Monorail, Star LRT, Putra LRT and ERL. Take different trains, pay different fees, unless buy monthly pass which never extended to buses unless we pay more. Stations are so poorly designed(look at Singapore MRT stations) & are not strategically located in some places. KTM are never on time. Monorail is packed like sardines.

StonTemplePilot
10-06-2010, 11:58 AM
Towns like Puchong came out 10+ years ago, in 2006 we were promised LRT & better transport system but now is already 2010, i dont see any hair or tails of it, no constructions. All i can see is cars pilling up at LDP IOI mall/Tesco.

There's no buses plying Puchong-Sunway & Puchong-Subang even tho we are closeby. Other options would be taking the pathetic, hourly mini bus or taking a slaughthering rm20 taxi ride.

Talking abt Komuter, Monorail, Star LRT, Putra LRT and ERL. Take different trains, pay different fees, unless buy monthly pass which never extended to buses unless we pay more. Stations are so poorly designed(look at Singapore MRT stations) & are not strategically located in some places. KTM are never on time. Monorail is packed like sardines.

Actually, having this "efficient" LRT system may result in negative consequences for GLCs and cronies companies like your PRotons and PLUS...

Less demand for Proton tin cans and less usage of tolls..maybe less cars means less demand for Petronas "minyak"..

Oledi give up on having any improvement of public transport...

Also please stop the nonsense or fallacy of equating land size to economic or social success...Spore easier to govern? Without all the resources?? I will take Lee Kuan Yew as my PM any time

How about China subway then? Too big too?

pucman
10-06-2010, 01:04 PM
Look at the mess... poorly built MRR, road get built and re-tar & re-tar again and again. The 'new' LKSA highway connecting Kota Kemuning to Federal Highway condition is terrible. All these 'cronies-bias' planning are not benefiting the rakyat. How to sabar-sabar?

If you said the Spore..MRT are 'monkey-planned', what are ours... bird brain? Let say we a new party took over, how long it takes to put things back into pieces? It is not a simple PC-reformat process.

If it takes 10 years to build an extension (2006 until ?) so does that mean it takes 20 years to build a new line ?

That is what we called 'sabar' ? :rolleyes:

While other countries are moving forward quickly, Msia is left behind because of too many 'sabar'. What we need is a govt who can act quickly and not just talk.

Do msians like to get trapped in traffic jam every morning and every evening during peak hours ?

pucman
10-06-2010, 01:08 PM
How about China subway then? Too big too?

China is the world's second or third largest country and their train system is much faster, better and comfortable than Msia. We get headaches (from wobbling) when travelling long distance using KTM while theirs is very smooth going.

Land size has nothing to do with the success of a transport system, it is the people who is managing that is the key factor.

pucman
10-06-2010, 01:12 PM
There's no buses plying Puchong-Sunway & Puchong-Subang even tho we are closeby.

There isn't any buses bringing puchong/usj folks to the LRT at Bukit Jalil too.

I wrote a complaint letter to rapidkl many years ago and they said they will 'look into it' as they can't do it then due to 'low demand'.

As usual, all talk and no action.

StonTemplePilot
15-06-2010, 03:11 PM
Is there any govt agency website where we can get the periodic and latest updates on the progress?

Already 1st half 2010 and still no signs of any development or works? :mad:

pucman
15-06-2010, 06:55 PM
Is there any govt agency website where we can get the periodic and latest updates on the progress?

Already 1st half 2010 and still no signs of any development or works? :mad:

Allurban is the 'unofficial' spokesman. He wrote a letter to The Malay Mail recently which chronicles the history but until now, nothing seems have to materialise.
;)

cskok8
15-06-2010, 10:09 PM
Haven't you people heard that we are running out of money? Your voracious apetite for sugar, flour, rice, petrol etc that are subsidised are drying up the nation's coffers. No more money left for LRT!! :mad:

AllUrban
15-06-2010, 11:54 PM
Allurban is the 'unofficial' spokesman. He wrote a letter to The Malay Mail recently which chronicles the history but until now, nothing seems have to materialise.
;)Im just the bearer of news - occasionally good but mostly not. I honestly believe that the government should spend one good, solid year sorting out all of their structural & regulatory & bureacratic problems and then start really planning public transport and making it work.

One good thing is that the new decision makers in SPAD really care about what they are doing and want to improve public transport - but they have to deal with the legacy of 30 years of government

Cheers, m

bslee
15-06-2010, 11:59 PM
As far as I see it TODAY!... the LRT stations are not exactly well maintained to international hygiene or cleanliness standards. Its fast becoming to what KL-Klang bus terminal would look like in a few years down the road..
Goto Korea or Japan lah and see their terminals..you can see your face in the floor.
Most of the ticketing terminals and barrier system are not exactly prestine nor fully fit order, They look so run down.
The last time (last year) I saw a few TnG reload terminals at KLCC was being prepared for use. Today?.. still macam tu!..
THATS WHY I SAY THIS LAND GOT FAT HOPES FOR 1st world status!.. wanna me say balls?

locust
16-06-2010, 12:11 AM
As far as I see it TODAY!... the LRT stations are not exactly well maintained to international hygiene or cleanliness standards. Its fast becoming to what KL-Klang bus terminal would look like in a few years down the road..
Goto Korea or Japan lah and see their terminals..you can see your face in the floor.
Most of the ticketing terminals and barrier system are not exactly prestine nor fully fit order, They look so run down.
The last time (last year) I saw a few TnG reload terminals at KLCC was being prepared for use. Today?.. still macam tu!..
THATS WHY I SAY THIS LAND GOT FAT HOPES FOR 1st world status!.. wanna me say balls?
Aiya, no need to go so far to see, see Singapore MRT stations good enough.

AllUrban
16-06-2010, 11:25 AM
As far as I see it TODAY!... the LRT stations are not exactly well maintained to international hygiene or cleanliness standards. Its fast becoming to what KL-Klang bus terminal would look like in a few years down the road..
Goto Korea or Japan lah and see their terminals..you can see your face in the floor.
Most of the ticketing terminals and barrier system are not exactly prestine nor fully fit order, They look so run down.
The last time (last year) I saw a few TnG reload terminals at KLCC was being prepared for use. Today?.. still macam tu!..
THATS WHY I SAY THIS LAND GOT FAT HOPES FOR 1st world status!.. wanna me say balls?which LRT stations in particular? You should list them down and send your complaints to suggest@rapidkl.com.my

Generally Im of the opposite view - I dont think the LRT stations have ever looked nicer since they were repainted (light grey, blue & red combination). A few weeks ago I was at Plaza Rakyat and they actually have lots of lights on so it doesnt feel as scary as it used to :p

Cheers, m

StonTemplePilot
16-06-2010, 11:36 AM
Im just the bearer of news - occasionally good but mostly not. I honestly believe that the government should spend one good, solid year sorting out all of their structural & regulatory & bureacratic problems and then start really planning public transport and making it work.

One good thing is that the new decision makers in SPAD really care about what they are doing and want to improve public transport - but they have to deal with the legacy of 30 years of government

Cheers, m

U mean Syed ALbar???? Wahahaaaa..... :D

AllUrban
16-06-2010, 12:39 PM
U mean Syed ALbar???? Wahahaaaa..... :Dhahahah Syed Albar is just the chair...he gets to sit and chair meetings, while the CEO & COO do the real work.

And I know that they and their team are really dedicated people.

Cheers, m

bslee
16-06-2010, 12:46 PM
which LRT stations in particular? You should list them down and send your complaints to suggest@rapidkl.com.my
Generally Im of the opposite view - I dont think the LRT stations have ever looked nicer since they were repainted (light grey, blue & red combination). A few weeks ago I was at Plaza Rakyat and they actually have lots of lights on so it doesnt feel as scary as it used to :p
Cheers, m

WHY SHOULD I COMPLAIN or make suggestions?.. what are their own employees doing? Like we often say here.. Gaji Buta kah? Haven't they got eyes nor any brains to see, rectify or act on issues that are not fully fit, equipment NOT functioning as designed and upkeep the premises thats not really satisfactory to trained eyes? If quality housekeeping can be a norm in hotels, WHY NOT Public areas and facilities?
OR THEIR PERCEPTION OF MAINTENANCE and HOUSEKEEPING STANDARDS is JUST VERY LOW?

Or they're JUST BLIND that they can't see NUMEROUS FILTHY FINGERPRINTS, cobwebs, remnants of air pollution on walls, claddings, ceiling boards, wall removable panels or decor within the interior of the station? Lights that were repaired wasn't aligned back in the ceiling.
DO THEIR OFFICERS WALK AROUND BLIND?

AllUrban
16-06-2010, 02:13 PM
WHY SHOULD I COMPLAIN or make suggestions?.. what are their own employees doing? Like we often say here.. Gaji Buta kah? Haven't they got eyes nor any brains to see, rectify or act on issues that are not fully fit, equipment NOT functioning as designed and upkeep the premises thats not really satisfactory to trained eyes? If quality housekeeping can be a norm in hotels, WHY NOT Public areas and facilities?
OR THEIR PERCEPTION OF MAINTENANCE and HOUSEKEEPING STANDARDS is JUST VERY LOW?

Or they're JUST BLIND that they can't see NUMEROUS FILTHY FINGERPRINTS, cobwebs, remnants of air pollution on walls, claddings, ceiling boards, wall removable panels or decor within the interior of the station? Lights that were repaired wasn't aligned back in the ceiling.
DO THEIR OFFICERS WALK AROUND BLIND?Honestly :rolleyes:

Why SHOULDNT YOU formally complain or make suggestions to them? Do you honestly think that anyone will do anything if no one does anything? Sometimes you just have to be the first. Otherwise, they will think that no one really is concerned so it is not a problem.

You think the standards are low? Of course they are! Every day the message is sent that "public transport is for the lower-income group" which allows standards to creep as low as possible. Every day people notice but do not bother to complain and call for higher standards.

I agree that we should have high standards for cleanliness and quality in Malaysia - hey, we deserve the best.

But are we willing to pay more for 'the best?' and how many people are willing to put in the effort required to maintain those standards? As the saying goes, "we do not have a maintenance culture" or "1st world infrastructure, 3rd world maintenance"

honestly, RM7bn for an LRT extension or RM30-50 billion for an MRT network would buy a huge number of buses or trams and pay for a lifetime of cleanliness, upkeep & maintenance.

Cheers, m

bslee
16-06-2010, 03:05 PM
What 3rd world maintenance?.. I don't think they even know the true definition of the term. Never been, never will, never learn, but only regret and bunch of lame excuses as retorts if any. Its more of crisis management to me thats become the norm.
Why should we the public be the eyes and ears for them?. Why should we do their jobs for them?..As I said, are they BLIND?Are they all arm chair generals?, 9-5 job, clock in clock out, tomorrow is just another day?..perhaps thats already now an age old norm...work just enough for mere survival as any paid employee. No more no less?.. Yes, I'm cocksure its still widespread. Look East policy and follow the Japanese work culture (or any disiplined culture for that matter) just stayed an idea, nothing more. How did that little red dot down south achieve such heights?
Is it only when 1PM or other generals turun padang only that things start to rock?.. hammer and chisel phenomenon?
1st world infrastructure, image ada, gaya ada..tapi gaya stops just about there. SAD!..

AllUrban
17-06-2010, 03:15 PM
What 3rd world maintenance?.. I don't think they even know the true definition of the term. Never been, never will, never learn, but only regret and bunch of lame excuses as retorts if any. Its more of crisis management to me thats become the norm.
Why should we the public be the eyes and ears for them?. Why should we do their jobs for them?..As I said, are they BLIND?Are they all arm chair generals?, 9-5 job, clock in clock out, tomorrow is just another day?..perhaps thats already now an age old norm...work just enough for mere survival as any paid employee. No more no less?.. Yes, I'm cocksure its still widespread. Look East policy and follow the Japanese work culture (or any disiplined culture for that matter) just stayed an idea, nothing more. How did that little red dot down south achieve such heights?
Is it only when 1PM or other generals turun padang only that things start to rock?.. hammer and chisel phenomenon?
1st world infrastructure, image ada, gaya ada..tapi gaya stops just about there. SAD!..Ok, so things arent going to change overnight. But if you want to see the changes happen, your feedback will help.

So please, PM as many details as you can to me about your complaints and I will make sure that the people in charge at prasarana and SPAD hear these complaints again and again until they fix things just to shut me up.

Cheers, m

bslee
17-06-2010, 03:49 PM
Allurban, ok, perhaps you'd like to see these through.
1.TnG (Touch and Go) facility:.This is a major problem for years. TnG top-up facility at cashier counter often seen "OFFLINE" and only at designated hours (office hours?) Perhaps my misfortune for observing many times its offline.
2. TnG top up machines at Ampang Park terminal still not fully functioning despite machine installation last year?
3. Barrier at ticket counter (where you feed the ticket) at KLCC, Ampang Park, Pasar Seni terminals are not seen to fully function and in poor condition. You won't even know if your TnG card is beeped and beep sound may not be audible, moreover the wing barrier not working.
4. Many automated ticketing machines have been seen either shutdown or malfunctioning. I urge EVERY machine at every terminal to be fully functioning at ALL TIMES, no if's no buts.
5. 20sen at terminal toilet (Pasar Seni?). WHY do we have to pay for this facility? It should be part n parcel of for use of LRT services. The last time I used the washroom at a KL monorial terminal, its FOC.
6. Dirty fingerprints and mess on steel panel decor, ceiling panels and walls.(perhaps due to frequent maintenance jobs). Light fixtures not aligned properly after repair. Dirty fingerprints on ceiling panels and walls or fixtures are almost never tolerated in a 1st class maintained high rise building. I hope this isn't happening in their own homes.
7. They should place more rubbish bins around the terminal premise. Those bins provided for by DBKL outside the premise are all ill maintained and sometimes out of sight or overflowing with trash.
8. I suggest their facilities people need a bi-weekly tour or refresher course on building maintenance and housekeeping, walk around with EYES WIDE OPEN and see how perhaps a 5 star hotel is being well upkept and to strict international standards. Hotel, high rise or transport terminal, doesn't matter, housekeeping is still the same, unless these people don't think so.
Automated machines are to be fully functioning AS DESIGNED at all times, not in half past six condition. If a machine is found to be flawed or go faulty frequently, grill the manufacturer or supplier that this isn't to be tolerated, no if's or but's. Replacement to something more tolerable will surely be appreciated. Its all in the best interest of any customer, foreign or local.
I've frequently seen lonmg cues at the manned ticketing counter. If the automated ticketing system were so efficient, why should I see long cues at the only manned ticketing counter?..lazy or ignorant customers?..I really don't think so.

AllUrban
18-06-2010, 05:51 PM
Allurban, ok, perhaps you'd like to see these through.
1.TnG (Touch and Go) facility:.This is a major problem for years. TnG top-up facility at cashier counter often seen "OFFLINE" and only at designated hours (office hours?) Perhaps my misfortune for observing many times its offline.
2. TnG top up machines at Ampang Park terminal still not fully functioning despite machine installation last year?
3. Barrier at ticket counter (where you feed the ticket) at KLCC, Ampang Park, Pasar Seni terminals are not seen to fully function and in poor condition. You won't even know if your TnG card is beeped and beep sound may not be audible, moreover the wing barrier not working.
4. Many automated ticketing machines have been seen either shutdown or malfunctioning. I urge EVERY machine at every terminal to be fully functioning at ALL TIMES, no if's no buts.
5. 20sen at terminal toilet (Pasar Seni?). WHY do we have to pay for this facility? It should be part n parcel of for use of LRT services. The last time I used the washroom at a KL monorial terminal, its FOC.
6. Dirty fingerprints and mess on steel panel decor, ceiling panels and walls.(perhaps due to frequent maintenance jobs). Light fixtures not aligned properly after repair. Dirty fingerprints on ceiling panels and walls or fixtures are almost never tolerated in a 1st class maintained high rise building. I hope this isn't happening in their own homes.
7. They should place more rubbish bins around the terminal premise. Those bins provided for by DBKL outside the premise are all ill maintained and sometimes out of sight or overflowing with trash.
8. I suggest their facilities people need a bi-weekly tour or refresher course on building maintenance and housekeeping, walk around with EYES WIDE OPEN and see how perhaps a 5 star hotel is being well upkept and to strict international standards. Hotel, high rise or transport terminal, doesn't matter, housekeeping is still the same, unless these people don't think so.
Automated machines are to be fully functioning AS DESIGNED at all times, not in half past six condition. If a machine is found to be flawed or go faulty frequently, grill the manufacturer or supplier that this isn't to be tolerated, no if's or but's. Replacement to something more tolerable will surely be appreciated. Its all in the best interest of any customer, foreign or local.
I've frequently seen lonmg cues at the manned ticketing counter. If the automated ticketing system were so efficient, why should I see long cues at the only manned ticketing counter?..lazy or ignorant customers?..I really don't think so.
Thanks - that's a good write up of service standards and expectations. And I do agree that they should look at hotel customer service standards for an overall understanding of the level of service that people expect.

I will pass your comments on.

Cheers, m

bslee
18-06-2010, 06:12 PM
I will pass your comments on.


Hi Allurban, I frankly hope my observations are up for action soon. Those observations ARE NOT NEW! I also suggest that their top generals go with a VERY KEEN EYE for detail and inspect every terminal EVERY MONTH that its all upkept and maintained to AS DESIGNED AND INTENDED! I just hope that it'll not be another load of typical attitudes of "When the cat's away, the mice all play" or The right hand don't know what the left hand is doing".

If I'm expected to spot building flaws, unkemptness and malfunctioning equipment with proof of pictures, I should hear of many key staff being reprimanded or canned and they might as well pay me a retainer to do their job for them.
I will of course expect to be chased out of any terminal premise by their security if I'm seen to be taking numerous pics left right and center, moreover viewed as a probable terrorist.
Cheers!

fRaNkY
18-06-2010, 06:54 PM
Just came back from our neighbour country down under. Some of my observation.

9. Their toilet are 100% more cleaner than ours, brightly lit and no smell. Best of all free and its outside the barrier.

10. They are smart to use their own version of touch and go, even for a single trip fare. This can definitely reduce wear and tear and blockage, as the card goes in and out or the machine, here, all the time. I dunno how many times I kena cases like these here.

11. Their TNG come with a SGD1 deposit which will be return after the trip at the final destination. Its not fancy so no one is going to keep it for souvenir.

12. Trying to figure out how to use the single trip card menu, the Customer Service lady came within 30 seconds and try to help me... crowd built up behind me :D
Our one? Can only stare unhappily at me from their lovely aircond aquarium.

13. Try to do a site survey at around 11am to 3pm at KLCC station, there is always a long Q buying ticket manually. Why? The machine is not working or people do not have the exact change.

14. You can see actually see police on the MRT!

Raikonen
18-06-2010, 09:00 PM
Just came back from our neighbour country down under. Some of my observation.

9. Their toilet are 100% more cleaner than ours, brightly lit and no smell. Best of all free and its outside the barrier.

10. They are smart to use their own version of touch and go, even for a single trip fare. This can definitely reduce wear and tear and blockage, as the card goes in and out or the machine, here, all the time. I dunno how many times I kena cases like these here.

11. Their TNG come with a SGD1 deposit which will be return after the trip at the final destination. Its not fancy so no one is going to keep it for souvenir.

12. Trying to figure out how to use the single trip card menu, the Customer Service lady came within 30 seconds and try to help me... crowd built up behind me :D
Our one? Can only stare unhappily at me from their lovely aircond aquarium.

13. Try to do a site survey at around 11am to 3pm at KLCC station, there is always a long Q buying ticket manually. Why? The machine is not working or people do not have the exact change.

14. You can see actually see police on the MRT!

No need compare to the Chinese govt down south....we are behind them 20 years...

fRaNkY
18-06-2010, 09:56 PM
No need compare to the Chinese govt down south....we are behind them 20 years...

These are just simple things... logical things... no need to be high tech.

No compare how to improve?

AllUrban
18-06-2010, 10:36 PM
These are just simple things... logical things... no need to be high tech.

No compare how to improve?Raikonen points out that we are 20 years behind.

Guess what - we are now doing what they did 20 years ago, creating the Land Transport Authority and restructuring the whole industry. The problem is that we already have the LRT lines and people want to make money out of extending those lines - not to mention, the proposed MRT lines that were mentioned last week - and we havent even started restructuring the whole industry yet.

Frankly, I think that we can do what Singapore did 20-30 years ago in a shorter time - provided that we learn from what they did, learn how they did it, and how they dealt with everyone who tried to hold them back - and then we do things the way that they did.

Cheers, m

Raikonen
18-06-2010, 11:22 PM
The problem is that incompetent fools are appointed to do things which are beyond their grey matter. How can they complete a decent and simple task?

pucman
18-06-2010, 11:58 PM
The problem is that incompetent fools are appointed to do things which are beyond their grey matter. How can they complete a decent and simple task?

That's why they resist local election. So no competition for them. ;)

Bring back local election ! :D

cskok8
20-06-2010, 11:49 AM
Raikonen points out that we are 20 years behind.

Guess what - we are now doing what they did 20 years ago, creating the Land Transport Authority and restructuring the whole industry. The problem is that we already have the LRT lines and people want to make money out of extending those lines - not to mention, the proposed MRT lines that were mentioned last week - and we havent even started restructuring the whole industry yet.

Frankly, I think that we can do what Singapore did 20-30 years ago in a shorter time - provided that we learn from what they did, learn how they did it, and how they dealt with everyone who tried to hold them back - and then we do things the way that they did.

Cheers, m

The problem is nobody wants to go for a "Lawatan Sambil Belajar" down south. Canada, Germany, USA OK lah.

locust
20-06-2010, 01:47 PM
Just came back from our neighbour country down under. Some of my observation..

12. Trying to figure out how to use the single trip card menu, the Customer Service lady came within 30 seconds and try to help me... crowd built up behind me :D
Our one? Can only stare unhappily at me from their lovely aircond aquarium.

Thats very true, i experienced it myself, a lady Customer Service came to me & explain thoroughly how to use the machine & the $1 deposit at end of trip. She was so helpful.

Another was a middle-age lady explaining to me how to proceed to boarding gate in Changi Airport. She even quoted the time for me to reach the gate if i walk there.

In a MRT station, a Customer Service man, seeing i have some luggage with me, he suggested to me using the lift.

In KL, "Can only stare unhappily at me from their lovely aircond aquarium." U put my mind into words, fRaNkY.

Or my version would be "Animals from zoo, staring out of their aircon cage."

fRaNkY
20-06-2010, 08:58 PM
The problem is that incompetent fools are appointed to do things which are beyond their grey matter. How can they complete a decent and simple task?

I remember one time the monorail's wheel dropped on someone's head :D and the spokesman or chairman, is Dato Rejal Arbee who spoke to the press... he happens to be the former Group Editor of Berita Publishing and Berita Harian... how can such a person, with his editorial background appointed to that position :confused: ... I am not saying he is incompetent but... editorial and Service is two different thingy.

lelynx
23-06-2010, 05:03 PM
they have called for a tender briefing. i wonder if they have shared the lrt route as well

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/LRT22/Article/index_html

AllUrban
23-06-2010, 05:13 PM
they have called for a tender briefing. i wonder if they have shared the lrt route as well

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/LRT22/Article/index_htmlI believe that as far as they are concerned, the route is "approved" - or they are just pretending that it is and hoping that no one notices the truth.

Cheers, m

AllUrban
27-06-2010, 03:51 AM
Ever wondered what the rail networks in the Klang Valley could look like based on all these plans? Then check out http://bit.ly/95cHsn

TRANSIT has posted maps showing 4 out of the 5 most recent LRT & MRT proposals - and we need the public to help compare the advantages and disadvantages of each one.

Cheers, m

Mat Bruce
27-06-2010, 11:53 AM
China is the world's second or third largest country and their train system is much faster, better and comfortable than Msia. We get headaches (from wobbling) when travelling long distance using KTM while theirs is very smooth going.

Land size has nothing to do with the success of a transport system, it is the people who is managing that is the key factor.


Are you implying that these people are incompetent and should be fired? I sokong.

Mat Bruce
27-06-2010, 12:01 PM
A monkey can design the transportation system in Singapore because the country is so small (700Sq km)
PLease don't compare the transportation system in Malaysia and Singapore. Have some common sense.

Cannot agree with you there. How do you compare Japan and here? Japan is a big area and a cluster of islands. Monkey cannot design the transportation system.That monkey in Singapore imported some 'brains' who did the design. They prob took the brain from our best monyets here.

pucman
27-06-2010, 11:20 PM
Are you implying that these people are incompetent and should be fired? I sokong.


The problem is that a lot of incompetent people are working in the govt and we can't fire them as it is an 'iron bowl'.

I have my fair share of headaches dealing with govt servants. Even simple task, they will take months to complete.

pucman
28-06-2010, 01:59 AM
The newspaper report that in 3-4 years , only a few stations are completed and not the whole project.

That means kelana jaya extend until summit, usj.

Sri petaling extend until giant, bandar kinrara.

;)

AllUrban
28-06-2010, 02:26 AM
The newspaper report that in 3-4 years , only a few stations are completed and not the whole project.

That means kelana jaya extend until summit, usj.

Sri petaling extend until giant, bandar kinrara.

;)yes, they only got a conditional approval for certain sections from the Minister of Transport and Department of Railways.

MPSJ still has to decide if they will approve Prasarana's development order. There are still some controversial areas, even in the sections 'approved' by the minister of transport.

Cheers, m

locust
28-06-2010, 07:45 PM
The newspaper report that in 3-4 years , only a few stations are completed and not the whole project.

That means kelana jaya extend until summit, usj.

Sri petaling extend until giant, bandar kinrara.

;)
hmmm, not even extend to Puchong, how disappointing.

AllUrban
30-06-2010, 11:55 AM
hmmm, not even extend to Puchong, how disappointing.puchong is likely to have the BRT system introduced along Jalan Puchong & Jalan Klang Lama - direct route up to KL rather than the roundabout route that the LRT extension would bring (via Bukit Jalil, Bandar Tun Razak & Pudu.

Cheers, m

newpdg003
12-09-2010, 11:35 PM
Anyone has details on the LRT extension from Kelana Jaya to Subang? What stations it pass through.

Meanwhile, I heard the Kota Damansara to Cheras line convert to MRT line, plus another 2 additional lines. Gamuda is now bidding for this project.

In fact, those existing LRT line should also convert to MRT. The real meaning of LRT should be like monorail or short coach LRT like Singapore.



The newspaper report that in 3-4 years , only a few stations are completed and not the whole project.

That means kelana jaya extend until summit, usj.

Sri petaling extend until giant, bandar kinrara.

;)

I though they want to making a loop between sri petaling line and kelana jaya line.

pucman
13-09-2010, 12:29 AM
In fact, those existing LRT line should also convert to MRT. The real meaning of LRT should be like monorail or short coach LRT like Singapore.



They can't even integrate between the 2 lrt and monorail. How do you expect them to convert to MRT ? :rolleyes:

This is call short-sightedness, they should do more long term planning just like Singapore and go ahead with MRT first rather than build 3 separate systems that can't be integrated and can't carry enough passengers in the future.

As for the LRT extension, it is always delay, delay , delay. I would be surprise if they complete it before 2020. :D

newpdg003
15-09-2010, 01:16 AM
They can't even integrate between the 2 lrt and monorail. How do you expect them to convert to MRT ? :rolleyes:

This is call short-sightedness, they should do more long term planning just like Singapore and go ahead with MRT first rather than build 3 separate systems that can't be integrated and can't carry enough passengers in the future.

As for the LRT extension, it is always delay, delay , delay. I would be surprise if they complete it before 2020. :D

The problem is here, government doesn't has enough money to build this MRT. Now every thing just a rumors making you happy only, but still you suffer in the traffic jam in the car. And you continue spend RM90k to buy City or Vios, and spend 40k and below buy Myvi and Saga.

Why not enough money? Because the corruption

We heard Gamuda take this MRT project as soon as possible, waiting the news next month. But as I say it is just rumors making you happy only, after the 2010 national's budget, government already forget what is LRT project.

To view more detail on our MRT project, you check from this website www.waitlonglong.com

pucman
15-09-2010, 01:31 AM
To view more detail on our MRT project, you check from this website www.waitlonglong.com

Ever since the commonwealth games in 1998 to build the LRT, nothing significant has been done to improve public transport.

So it is indeed a long, long wait..... ;)

newpdg003
15-09-2010, 08:44 PM
Ever since the commonwealth games in 1998 to build the LRT, nothing significant has been done to improve public transport.

So it is indeed a long, long wait..... ;)


As I say, we have world class facilities but 3rd world country management.

Raikonen
15-09-2010, 10:12 PM
Do bolehland really have 1st class facilities? LRT macam sardines cans...More like 3rd class facilities, no class mentality

AllUrban
16-09-2010, 01:38 AM
Anyone has details on the LRT extension from Kelana Jaya to Subang? What stations it pass through.

Meanwhile, I heard the Kota Damansara to Cheras line convert to MRT line, plus another 2 additional lines. Gamuda is now bidding for this project.

In fact, those existing LRT line should also convert to MRT. The real meaning of LRT should be like monorail or short coach LRT like Singapore.

I though they want to making a loop between sri petaling line and kelana jaya line.So many questions...

Ok, here goes.

1. Details about the LRT extension and stations can be found at www.lrtextension.com or http://transitmy.org/2009/09/15/lrt-public-display/ or http://www.usj.com.my/usjXpress/details.php3?table=usjXpress&ID=426

2. The Kota Damansara - Cheras line has not been confirmed but Prasarana is leaning towards building an MRT line. They would also like to extend the line to Sg. Buloh and Kajang.

Gamuda has introduced an unsolicited MRT proposal that is different from Prasarana's LRT/MRT proposal. You can see all the different proposals at http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/

3. "LRT" as we know it in Malaysia is actually a low-capacity version of an MRT system. Basically you pay 1/2 or 2/3 the cost of an MRT system but get 1/3 of the train capacity.

The main selling point of these lines is that people want frequency more than capacity (e.g. a small train every 2-3 minutes instead of a large train every 5 minutes).

Singaporean "LRT" is actually a "people-mover" system like Airport trains - and in fact they use the same trains (Kawasaki Crystal Mover) for the Changi Airport shuttle trains and the newer LRTs.

4. Prasarana does want to extend both lines to Putra Heights to create that "loop" but there are outstanding objections at Taman Esplanad (Kinrara) and Subang Alam. This means that the LRT can only be extended as far as there are no objections.

Cheers, m

pucman
16-09-2010, 08:50 AM
So many questions...

4. Prasarana does want to extend both lines to Putra Heights to create that "loop" but there are outstanding objections at Taman Esplanad (Kinrara) and Subang Alam. This means that the LRT can only be extended as far as there are no objections.

Cheers, m

Shouldn't Taman Esplanade be in Bukit Jalil and not Kinrara ?

ksj_cool
16-09-2010, 12:01 PM
What does Type of station "Tengah mean'...does it mean the station is constructed above the road in a a elevated fashion? There is no parking available at station 6, Subang Jaya, will this cause a congestion along the road?

Mat Bruce
16-09-2010, 04:04 PM
So many questions...

Ok, here goes.


4. Prasarana does want to extend both lines to Putra Heights to create that "loop" but there are outstanding objections at Taman Esplanad (Kinrara) and Subang Alam. This means that the LRT can only be extended as far as there are no objections.

Cheers, m

I heard that the line for SS (subang Jaya) will proceed...?
Is there a timeline to achieve this? 2012? Has any work started?

patrick
16-09-2010, 10:20 PM
I heard that the line for SS (subang Jaya) will proceed...?
Is there a timeline to achieve this? 2012? Has any work started?

If everything runs without a hitch, completion is expected end 2013, so I was told.

cskok8
16-09-2010, 10:45 PM
If everything runs without a hitch.

Thats a very bigIF

pucman
17-09-2010, 08:30 AM
If everything runs without a hitch, completion is expected end 2013, so I was told.

Everytime I visit MPSJ , I hear these excuses when I want to meet the officers there. Meeting, on leave, sick leave etc.

Meeting can take 3-4 hours but the problems are still not solved even after the meeting.

'On leave' is much more frequent than the private sector.

'Sick' is usually on Mondays after a long weekend.

Don't these people have replacement officers when the approving officers are on meeting, holiday leave, sick etc ?

The LRT is supposed to start construction early this year after getting feedback from public last year, has it started ? :rolleyes:

AllUrban
17-09-2010, 11:18 AM
Shouldn't Taman Esplanade be in Bukit Jalil and not Kinrara ?yeah...but it's on the edge of Bukit Jalil, isn't it?

Cheers, m

AllUrban
17-09-2010, 11:27 AM
What does Type of station "Tengah mean'...does it mean the station is constructed above the road in a a elevated fashion? There is no parking available at station 6, Subang Jaya, will this cause a congestion along the road?tengah refers to the location of the platforms - either "Island" (with the platform in the centre and tracks on the outside - like Kelana Jaya) or "Side" (with the tracks in the centre and the platforms on the outside - like Taman Bahagia).

The following stations will be constructed above their respective roads:

Station 02 - Dana 2 complex
Station 03 - Jalan Lapangan Terbang Subang
Station 05 - Jalan Jengka b/w SS15 & SS17
Station 06 - Jalan Jengka b/w SS14 & SS18
Station 07 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ7 & USJ6
Station 08 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ8 & USJ6
Station 09 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ14 & USJ13
Station 10 - Pers. Kewajipan near Tropicana

As for Station 6, I guess that Prasarana expects that very few people will come to Station 6 because it is in the middle of SS14 & SS18 - but I can imagine lots of Sunway people driving to Station 6 or 7.

Cheers, m

AllUrban
17-09-2010, 11:35 AM
The LRT is supposed to start construction early this year after getting feedback from public last year, has it started ? :rolleyes:hahahah LRT is a Prasarana project but MPSJ has to give approvals to the work orders.

Who knows if the delay is because of the objections from the residents, the actions of the councillors, or just because MPSJ or Prasarana employees have not gotten started.

As far as I know, the construction packages have been tendered out and will be announced soon - then subcontracting and deal-making will start...construction should probably start in early 2011 - 1 year later than "promised*" which is not really a surprise.

Assuming construction starts early in 2011 it should be complete by the end of 2013 or more likely, early in 2014 - then there will be certification and testing of the line - so I think parts of the LRT extension (at least to Subang Jaya) could be running by May 2014

Cheers, m

ps. note that this "promised" only refers to the latest promise, when Najib was PM and Idrose was in charge of Prasarana :p

Mat Bruce
17-09-2010, 11:48 AM
tengah refers to the location of the platforms - either "Island" (with the platform in the centre and tracks on the outside - like Kelana Jaya) or "Side" (with the tracks in the centre and the platforms on the outside - like Taman Bahagia).

The following stations will be constructed above their respective roads:

Station 02 - Dana 2 complex
Station 03 - Jalan Lapangan Terbang Subang
Station 05 - Jalan Jengka b/w SS15 & SS17
Station 06 - Jalan Jengka b/w SS14 & SS18
Station 07 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ7 & USJ6
Station 08 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ8 & USJ6
Station 09 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ14 & USJ13
Station 10 - Pers. Kewajipan near Tropicana

As for Station 6, I guess that Prasarana expects that very few people will come to Station 6 because it is in the middle of SS14 & SS18 - but I can imagine lots of Sunway people driving to Station 6 or 7.

Cheers, m

You are a gem...thanks for the sharing...
I have been mapping these stations.. it is good news for SJ and USJ residents and investors...it is part of my retirement planning...hehe..

what happened in PJ will happen in SJ/USJ. There will be parking problems for residents around these stations..

gary yap
17-09-2010, 01:44 PM
Goodyear Courts apartment's price sky-rocketed like nobody's business. Went to look see look see and the price is like...*sigh*... :(

pucman
17-09-2010, 02:31 PM
Goodyear Courts apartment's price sky-rocketed like nobody's business. Went to look see look see and the price is like...*sigh*... :(

A lot of places in Greater KL have skyrocketted this year and not just Goodyear courts.

There is a property bubble building up. Too many people speculating.

pucman
17-09-2010, 02:34 PM
Read the frustration of a KTM user from Subang Jaya.

The state of public transport in KL is dismal. :(
No wonder the streets are jammed with cars !

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/9/17/central/6926443&sec=central

cskok8
17-09-2010, 03:00 PM
Recently I saw a KTM Komuter "electric train" being pulled by a diesel locomotive. Is this the new "hybrid" train? :o

newpdg003
19-09-2010, 04:00 PM
So many questions...

Ok, here goes.

1. Details about the LRT extension and stations can be found at www.lrtextension.com or http://transitmy.org/2009/09/15/lrt-public-display/ or http://www.usj.com.my/usjXpress/details.php3?table=usjXpress&ID=426

2. The Kota Damansara - Cheras line has not been confirmed but Prasarana is leaning towards building an MRT line. They would also like to extend the line to Sg. Buloh and Kajang.

Gamuda has introduced an unsolicited MRT proposal that is different from Prasarana's LRT/MRT proposal. You can see all the different proposals at http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/

3. "LRT" as we know it in Malaysia is actually a low-capacity version of an MRT system. Basically you pay 1/2 or 2/3 the cost of an MRT system but get 1/3 of the train capacity.

The main selling point of these lines is that people want frequency more than capacity (e.g. a small train every 2-3 minutes instead of a large train every 5 minutes).

Singaporean "LRT" is actually a "people-mover" system like Airport trains - and in fact they use the same trains (Kawasaki Crystal Mover) for the Changi Airport shuttle trains and the newer LRTs.

4. Prasarana does want to extend both lines to Putra Heights to create that "loop" but there are outstanding objections at Taman Esplanad (Kinrara) and Subang Alam. This means that the LRT can only be extended as far as there are no objections.

Cheers, m

I still prefer Gamuda proposal one as they design not so many line go through the PJ especially KD area and Bandar Utama area. The other one even bring the Sentul line cross over the kepong , then passed by Mutiara Damansara, One U and TTDI place. They should know that area mostly resident area and not allow too many LRT/MRT pass by because of the noise level.

Mat Bruce
19-09-2010, 09:20 PM
tengah refers to the location of the platforms - either "Island" (with the platform in the centre and tracks on the outside - like Kelana Jaya) or "Side" (with the tracks in the centre and the platforms on the outside - like Taman Bahagia).

The following stations will be constructed above their respective roads:

Station 02 - Dana 2 complex
Station 03 - Jalan Lapangan Terbang Subang
Station 05 - Jalan Jengka b/w SS15 & SS17
Station 06 - Jalan Jengka b/w SS14 & SS18
Station 07 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ7 & USJ6
Station 08 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ8 & USJ6
Station 09 - Pers. Kewajipan b/w USJ14 & USJ13
Station 10 - Pers. Kewajipan near Tropicana

As for Station 6, I guess that Prasarana expects that very few people will come to Station 6 because it is in the middle of SS14 & SS18 - but I can imagine lots of Sunway people driving to Station 6 or 7.

Cheers, m
Allurban,
I was walking SS15 and SS17,where is station 5? Near Pelita or Old Coffee?

Also SS14 and SS18, there is a futsal court/park and some shops opposite,is this station 6?

Also when it turns on Kesas, how far is the noise level?

pucman
22-09-2010, 04:57 PM
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/1/2/central/5382408&sec=central

Excluding a major tourist attraction and a large pool of university students who don't have money to buy a car is a real mistake. Do we tell our tourist friends that you must take an exorbitant taxi to reach sunway lagoon ?

Extending to a lower population area and non tourist area like Putra heights makes no sense at all. Having a feeder bus to service putra heights would be more sensible.

Actually, it is technically feasible if the route were to make a detour to sunway from SS15 LRT and connect to the sri petaling line at IOI mall instead.

I guess the 'feedback' exercise at the end of last year does not have any effect on the decision makers. So why hold the feedback exercise in the first place ? :rolleyes:

AllUrban
27-09-2010, 02:47 AM
Allurban,
I was walking SS15 and SS17,where is station 5? Near Pelita or Old Coffee?

Also SS14 and SS18, there is a futsal court/park and some shops opposite,is this station 6?

Also when it turns on Kesas, how far is the noise level?Mat Bruce

Station 5 should be closer to Pelita but it will stretch all the way down to Old Taste.

Station 6 is located just south of the futsal court & park, opposite the shops. One end of the station will be at the south end of the futsal court, the other end will be at the SS14 playground.

As for the noise of the turn on KESAS, it will all depend on where the support pillars will be located on the KESAS itself.

Cheers, m

AllUrban
27-09-2010, 02:50 AM
I still prefer Gamuda proposal one as they design not so many line go through the PJ especially KD area and Bandar Utama area. The other one even bring the Sentul line cross over the kepong , then passed by Mutiara Damansara, One U and TTDI place. They should know that area mostly resident area and not allow too many LRT/MRT pass by because of the noise level.The proposal is good but it still comes down to lines drawn on a map of KL. They have not provided the serious proof to justify a spending of RM35 billion (just to start, without the expected cost overruns).

Frankly, given the right insider information about future development projects, I could draw better lines on a better map to complete a better, more comprehensive network of public transport for the whole of the Klang Valley.

No matter what happens, PJ still needs an LRT line traveling in the north-south direction and no one is including that in their plans except for Fikir Runding.
http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/transit-analyses-and-compares-rail-proposals/

Cheers, m

AllUrban
27-09-2010, 03:07 AM
Recently I saw a KTM Komuter "electric train" being pulled by a diesel locomotive. Is this the new "hybrid" train? :oYes, that is the "hybrid" train which has been operating since last year.

Cheers, m

pucman
29-09-2010, 02:10 PM
I remember reading the newspaper a few years back, govt is going to pour money to improve public transport just before election but take a look at this.....

"The move to increase the waiting time from 15 minutes to 30 minutes has aggravated the situation." You can now find cockroaches there as friends.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/9/29/central/7102169&sec=central

More empty promises again. :rolleyes:

newpdg003
26-12-2010, 02:30 PM
I remember reading the newspaper a few years back, govt is going to pour money to improve public transport just before election but take a look at this.....

"The move to increase the waiting time from 15 minutes to 30 minutes has aggravated the situation." You can now find cockroaches there as friends.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/9/29/central/7102169&sec=central

More empty promises again. :rolleyes:

The problem our government faced is they want to protect the Proton or Perodua business if they want to build better public transport. Perodua still able to survive but Proton profit will drop even badly. Therefore, they expect you to buy the car instead of take public transport. But they forget RapidKL and KTM also their properties, that's why their brain have single direction only.

Look at China nowadays, especially Beijing 's traffic Jam from bad to worst today. Not only highway even the main road also become big car park, some of China citizen even say they unable come out from house because they stuck into traffic jam in front of their house. Will Malaysia face the same thing later? Please note Beijing public transport also not so good, and too many people buying the car, that's why Beijing government want to control number of new cars next year.

Malaysia traffic control become worst and worst today, you guys maybe feel the same thing. The traffic jam become worst to worst, every hour must jam one. Last time, I can came out to shopping mall, KL during christmas day. Now, I stay at home celebrate Christmas or travel oversea because I want to avoid the jam and parking pain during Christmas day.

I also travel other country, don't think those modern city like London, New york, Singapore, Melbourne, Sydney never has traffic jam. They do have traffic jam but always less than 30 minutes, not like here the car totally cannot move within 1 hour. The problem why the traffic jam here become so badly because not only the number of car flow, poor public transport, but also the poor road condition, poor traffic control.

Never think of why traffic police never do the work, because they are the one who causing traffic jam during peak hour. For example, simply check car during peak hour. And they have very poor traffic direct, sometime one queue become longer and another side the vehicle keep on moving. If traffic police cannot do better job, why we need them?

Secondly, our traffic light is ridicurous. The red light turning so fast but take longer time turn to green light. I think all KL traffic light has the same problem, no wonder a lot of people like to break the red light and never stop. I been Melbourne last week, their red light do turning very fast after green light, but a few minute traffic turn to green light. That's the reason why Melbourne has only tiny traffic jam during peak hour time. But of course their public transport so good because you can take tram go to every way, just like SIngapore MRT so convenience .

Many people may not know that Melbourne does has a train like KTM service, some time I take their train to city center. Their "KTM" so called Metrotrain, also need to share with the current diesel locomotive train however I not need to spend half an hour to wait the train. They are 3 minutes to 7 minutes interval for every train. Can our KTM do this? Answer is no. They all like RapidKL or Metrobus driver, like to wait long long, hang around, then only move.