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jc86
22-12-2005, 10:38 PM
actually i have posted this in the money matters section ..but it seems quite dry ther so i;m posting it here 2 for more suggestions ... coz things are getting a lil more hot for me now compared 2 the previous weeks ...

i am a college student .. for some reasons i owe my parents RM2500 ...and i am need to return the money to them as soon as possible .. most of u might feel this is silly and all but i will be in serious trouble if i don;t return the money to them in the next week or so ... i have checked some banks' websites and all of them will only give personal loans to working adults..

i do not really mind a slightly high interest ..as i will be able to repay up to about RM3200 during chinese new year ...

I am a new member here ...i hope u guys can give me some good suggestions or ideas ...LEGAL ones that is ...i will never do anything that is illegal ..as i have said in my thread in money matters...

after hearing that u guys might think that i spent the money wastefully n i;m some kind of spoilt kid or something ...but i am not n i did not throw the money away on nothing ..

Thanx again for the time

mon
22-12-2005, 10:51 PM
Seriously what can your parents do to you? Lock you up or skin you alive. It's better to tell them the truth ( but many would be asking what you did with money ) . Hey, what did you do with the money?

adriene
22-12-2005, 10:52 PM
You could get a job. Jobs like waitering, selling roses on streets...

mon
22-12-2005, 10:56 PM
Or you could get help from an auntie or uncle..last thing to do is to take a loan illegally.

adriene
22-12-2005, 11:06 PM
take a loan illegally????

what is that? going for tai yee loong???

jc86, whatever you do, DO NOT take any loans from loan shark. i know you said you don't intend to do any illegal stuff for the money, but when under pressure, a lot of ppl lose sight of their senses and take quick cash from tai yee loong. baddd badddd idea because the interest rates are ridiculous. they really suffer for it very soon after.

VeeJay
22-12-2005, 11:08 PM
One other of getting the money is (but not a quick way though...2 months at least)...get a part time job and them apply for personal loan from a bank like Bank Rakyat with a guarantor...

orchipalar
22-12-2005, 11:08 PM
Err...here is the build up of JC86's first posting in Money matters... (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10518)

orchipalar
22-12-2005, 11:12 PM
Err...in his/her 'situations' which he/she claims...it would be tough even for the 'yee sok kong' to lend that amount of money to him/her...

mon
22-12-2005, 11:12 PM
take a loan illegally????

what is that? going for tai yee loong???



Sorry have put it wrongly. Never ever take a loan illegally! I have heard of cases where ppl get bashed up or something. You see em' in movies too.

Family help is still the best..telling the truth even better. No, it is the best. What could your parents do to you anyway??

Come clean.

CCY
22-12-2005, 11:45 PM
I felt something fishy here. On one hand it says that he/she have to pay his parents rm2500 within 2 weeks. On the other he/she says that it would not be a problem come chinese new year with up to rm 3200.
What is another 30+ days for a definite repayment if the creditor is non other than his/her parents. Do you think the parents would be that hard on their kids if they haven't done anything wrong to vapourised that amount. If it is for the kid's education what sort of parents will force their kids to repay now and not 30+ days later. Is it a life or dead situation that will force a definite action to be taken to return? Get down to earth n who on earth would help this guy/gal without knowing what's happening before this. I may be wrong.

Who would be able to help this guy/gal ? Phew...like what orchi said 'yee sook kung' also cannot help you.

kevin23
22-12-2005, 11:50 PM
wat u did with the money lah?! gamble izzit? get a job or something.,or apply for a study loan...PTPTN?

kevin23
23-12-2005, 12:02 AM
i m willing to borrow u Rm 3000 but how i know whether u will pay back??

burntan
23-12-2005, 01:09 AM
By the way you post here and the thing you said, I am sorry to say that you don't sound mature enough to handle that amount of money. For you may be RM2500 is just a small amount, may be you can get more than that in your coming CNY ang pau too, but to earn RM2500 in 2 week out of nothing is not an easy job, atleast not as easy as you think.

The best way to solve your problem now is to talk to your parent.

Ok, if you really think that you willing to do anything to save your face, how about doing a door to door sales, make some cold calling and sell life insurance to your friend and relatives? Let people treat you like a wet dog? Will you do that?

fedup
23-12-2005, 05:48 AM
:D :D To kelvin23 I sincerely believe you are a product of "malaysia boleh" How is it possible for you to borrow money to him? I will understand if you lent him the money to him but not "borrow" to him. In English it's always borrow from & lend to.To make matters easier I will suggest that you approach "belly dancing" state rep for a loan or else just go & see "billionare" deputy chairman of MCA youth. With 2.6b interest from half a day will be more than that :D :D :D

alexhay
23-12-2005, 08:30 AM
jc86 : as mentioned just talk to your parents. parents are forgiving...tell them the truth what you did with the money. Parents being parents always wanted their kids to have the best in lives. Talk to them...I bet they will understand..

SunwayKid
23-12-2005, 09:17 AM
The people in this forum are generous but I don't think anyone here are suckers, except maybe in balithong contest.Without the facts, I don't think anyone can offer much help or sympathy.

Don't even expect to earn that sort of money in 2 weeks as you are a student and still a "virgin" in the working world. That only fetch a premium in the oldest profession in the world.

Instead of money lenders, legalised or not (you still get whacked if you don't or delay in paying), try a pawnshop by pawning some of your valuables.

kokomo
23-12-2005, 09:47 AM
I think jc86 is afraid of his 'typical' parents cos being parents ARE parents .. I believe when evryone was a kid , not doing anything wrong but still having the fear to tell evrything you did to your parents?

Maybe jc86 has a contract / agreement wif his parents already?!?! we won't know of this ..

Am not tryin' to side jc86 but then his situation in this forum here is rather rare asking for help in this public forum .. don't u think so guys?

yvonnefoong
23-12-2005, 09:47 AM
Hello fella. I just read the entire thread in the "money matters" column, where you said...


about telling my parents i;ll pay them back with interest is not good for me coz my parents will rather go berserk over this than getting more money back .. haha ...typical lar ..i mean ...if dat day they bad mood ,
they rather hentam me than about extra returns rite? coz .. as much of the extra returns i can give them ..it;ll be not a huge amount to them anyway ..

So there you go. You already have the answer. Reason for their anger is not the fact that the money is gone, but it's because of their own child losing the money like water.

Likewise, whether you return the money by this month or next month makes no difference. They won't forgive you overnight just because you return the money. Which true parents are so money minded? I assume that they scolded you. Do remember that in the heat of anger, people can be thoughtless in their words and actions. They might even have hit you, for all we know. But this is what we call tough love, brother!

Don't do silly things to repay the money. Like someone here said, do anything LEGAL but to owe others money. You would rather owe your parents than some outsiders. After all, blood is thicker than water.

The way I see it, reason why your parents gave you a tough deadline is to vent their frustration and so that you realise how big a mistake you made.

No matter how 'different' you may claim your parents to be, I assure you that all parents are the same. They love you.

Here's my suggestion. Do you parents give you an allowance? Ask them to cut from there, month by month. You need to concentrate on your studies so this is the best choice I see.

orchipalar
23-12-2005, 10:11 AM
Err...regardless of what's the outcome of this...the parents need to be aware of the truth...as soon as possible like last week infact...coz then they would have the time to find the means to get over this money issue...since they too may need the funds for Christmas or Chinese New Year...ahem...it's only the right thing anyone could do...in this scenario...

n whatever consequences which may arise from this...let it be...n let it be a lesson leant.

Orchi has read thousands n thousands of postings in this forum since day 1...this is one Orchi shall NOT forget...

mon
23-12-2005, 10:26 AM
Just received this sms from my mum!

" Life is difficult, full of trials, sorrow, pain..

but if you fall, just stand up straight, be confident & ask..

"WHICH IDIOT PUSHED ME??!!"

jc86, if that "idiot' was a mistake, learn from it. And tell the truth!



Err...regardless of what's the outcome of this...the parents need to be aware of the truth...as soon as possible ..

n whatever consequences which may arise from this...let it be...n let it be a lesson learnt.

EdRoZeN
23-12-2005, 11:34 AM
First of all, jc6, how can you spend RM2500 in such a short time? Please fully explain your situation, where did you spend it?

You could have spent it on drugs, karaoke, spirits and etc etc.

If that is the case, we should not help you, but rather, counsel you. Let you learn from your mistakes.

jc86
23-12-2005, 01:24 PM
First of all, jc6, how can you spend RM2500 in such a short time? Please fully explain your situation, where did you spend it?

You could have spent it on drugs, karaoke, spirits and etc etc.

If that is the case, we should not help you, but rather, counsel you. Let you learn from your mistakes.


woahh... so many replies in one nite ... err ...well the money wasn;t exactly spent in a very short time (over 3-4 months roughly).. and if i'm a junkie i don;t really think my parents would gimme the money in the first place .. :)

err ...actualli by posting here i was only hoping for ideas .. but i was seriously shocked when kevin23 said he is willing 2 lend me the money .. good man

actually i have already been working part-time for almost 2 weeks now .. the thing is that i keep delaying it wit my parents week after week ..and i dun think i can delay it very much more ..

also ... about telling them the truth ... to me ,, i feel that is a lil bit like just taking the easy way out of this mess ..well ..in my head its quite simple , i screwed up ..and now i clean up ... most of all i just want to save all the drama wit them .. :)

THanks for all the replies so far ..seriously appreciate all of em

kevin23
23-12-2005, 03:27 PM
:D :D To kelvin23 I sincerely believe you are a product of "malaysia boleh" How is it possible for you to borrow money to him? I will understand if you lent him the money to him but not "borrow" to him. In English it's always borrow from & lend to.To make matters easier I will suggest that you approach "belly dancing" state rep for a loan or else just go & see "billionare" deputy chairman of MCA youth. With 2.6b interest from half a day will be more than that :D :D :D

okok...i knoe ur english is very good!

Jaytea
23-12-2005, 03:34 PM
jc86,
maybe it's time to face the music with your parents. if you know you've done wrong and are willing to repent and pay for the misdeed, why not?

alternatively

start selling your stuff via www.lelong.com.my or www.ebay.com.my . i once bought an ixus aps from some college kid who had overspent.

patrick
23-12-2005, 05:33 PM
Any skill(s) or knowledge you have that you could use to convert to cash? Eg. Offer to conduct some special skill courses for your juniors in school etc. If you are a girl, better still. Try your hand at sales at those mini stall counters in KLCC and other shopping complexes. Some of them even offer commission! You may also consider hitting the streets pushing calculators etc for about RM10. You can see many of these youngsters doing the rounds in coffee shops etc. Dont laugh....they make pretty good money. Some ofthem make couple of hundreds a day!

But IF you are female, whatever you do....DONT sell your body. You'll regret it forever.

Good luck.

mon
23-12-2005, 05:40 PM
Or you could give tuition classes..that, I could maybe help you out. Hey, whatever you do, don't give up your studies thinking about making the money only. Seriously, are your parents that horrendous till you don't think you could get their sympathy at all?? Hmm..

tupai
23-12-2005, 07:29 PM
Any skill(s) or knowledge you have that you could use to convert to cash?...
But IF you are female, whatever you do....DONT sell your body. You'll regret it forever.
Good luck.

There are so many kind & honest souls here...each with good suggestion to earn money.

But I understood that this 'thickskinned-world-owes-me-a-living' person needs rm2500 like yesterday! heshe does not have the luxury of time to earn rm4.00 per hour or earn rm2-3.00 commission selling rm10 item at a 'pity-me-so-pls-buy' pitch.

My take?
1. heshe can consider 'sell' heshe body BUT do bear in mind that if heshe is as ugly as me, nobody want also leh! even for free leh!

2. heshe is very irresonsible, and is way way too young to be a college kid, therefore a coward.

3. heshe would have be the last tuition teacher in this galaxy, to whom i will send myself to be taught anything except, maybe the art to beg some suckers in usj.com...but heshe again lon't have time to save up leh.

4. heshe is taking us and me (also a young teenager studying in a private koleg in subang) for a spin and i also get a bit dizzy aledi.

good luck.

yang amat blur tupai Junior

baby
24-12-2005, 12:55 AM
Could it be this jc86 is taking us all for a ride?? Unless heshe comes with the truth about what he did with the money, I think it's just a waste of precious time giving heshe advice. It's not funny wasting people's time.

EdRoZeN
24-12-2005, 12:22 PM
1. heshe can consider 'sell' heshe body BUT do bear in mind that if heshe is as ugly as me, nobody want also leh! even for free leh!




lol, Tupai, just tape your face with Aaron Kok's or Andy Lau's face poster can liao :D:D

EdRoZeN
24-12-2005, 12:24 PM
1. heshe can consider 'sell' heshe body BUT do bear in mind that if heshe is as ugly as me, nobody want also leh! even for free leh!




lol, Tupai, just tape your face with Aaron Kok's or Andy Lau's face poster can liao :D:D



Could it be this jc86 is taking us all for a ride?? Unless heshe comes with the truth about what he did with the money, I think it's just a waste of precious time giving heshe advice. It's not funny wasting people's time.

Thats why I wanted him to tell us too. It seems meaningless if he's not explaining the whole situation. For all you know, this situation may just be the mind clot in his head and he needs someone to clear it. Just like a plumber clearing clots, to make it sound horrible.

tupai
24-12-2005, 02:47 PM
lol, Tupai, just tape your face with Aaron Kok's or Andy Lau's face poster can liao :D:D

heheheheh...this i can do...but maybe this aaron & andy got bigger&fatter.......leh? then how?
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yang Amat Besar..... hati lato tupai

EdRoZeN
24-12-2005, 03:48 PM
heheheheh...this i can do...but maybe this aaron & andy got bigger&fatter.......leh? then how?
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You know what? Use an A3 cardboard :D:D

layman
24-12-2005, 05:19 PM
18 year old student with no special skills needs 2.5K in a short time ostensibly to appease her/his parents

practical and pragmatic solutions 2 his/her seemingly intractable problem

1 legally u can work in a KTV as a GRO if u r a lady.most KTV are not seedy joints petronised by businessman

2 illicit relationship with man/woman is the fastest way to earn quick $ which most forummers discourages

3 the best way out-not uncommonly parents are magnaminious to their own children.just tell them you gamble or spend the 2.5k and promise it will never happen again.since you are only 18, most parents will go easy on you

TRUST WILL NOT JUST EVAPORATE AFTER AN ISOLATED 'MISADVENTURE'

penangkia
24-12-2005, 06:13 PM
Jc86. Why don't you come clean with fellow forumers here. Perhaps we can focus clearer to help or advice you better, if the real reasons can be made known. RM2500 is really not a lot of money and cannot be a life or death situation for your parents right? If that amount of money is so badly needed by your parents, I am quite sure that even neighbours, friends and relatives can easily loan it to them, right? Anyway, you do not sound like you are from a financially poor family.
No, I can't help but think that your parents have given you an ultimatum....return the money by ...or you are.......
A case of having disappointed them once too often.

If I am wrong about this, please forgive me. If I am somewhat right, my advice to you is to go knell in front of your parents with tears in your eyes and truth in your mouth and ask for forgiveness and promise not to mess up like this again. I am sure they will forgive you if you are genuine in mending your ways.

GreenBug
24-12-2005, 10:21 PM
Ever thought of approaching Standard Chartered Bank for a 'friendly' loan'? :D

jc86
24-12-2005, 11:00 PM
ohh man ... a few ugly replies already here ... seriously not wat i;m looking for really. ..

well, i'm soree if i disgusted some ppl here with my irresponsibility and immaturity handling the money ... dun blame u guys really .. i understand the fact that not everyone can look beyond someone's past and let the person move on .. just hope u guys understand that i'm not here to mess around with u all and i am taking responsibility by doing everything i;m doing now to earn that money back .. So , by constantly banging me by saying i am irresponsible, immature and brainless don;t hurt me really ..it just makes me wonder if u actually even understand the entire situation in the first place ..

and by coward ..i dun really get it ... here i am facing the problem everyday and doing all i can do to handle it ... am i a coward ??? if u actually think about it .. coming clean and telling my parents about me overspending and letting them blast me for only a day or two and forgive me might just be the easiest way out and just shows how hopeless of a man i will grow up 2 be .. just hoping for forgiveness and not do my best to clean my mess up .. In actual fact , i will be exploiting my parents if i do that... knowing they will forgive me and making use of it ..

I know wat i said might offend lots of ppl ....but i hope u guys actually try to understand fully wat i said above .. i'm very very very sorry if i have really offended some ppl or if i have sounded a little too strong or rude ... but i really am not looking for an argument here or sympathy .. i am just looking for ideas to help me out here ...just like the title says ...
i said wat i said above only to explain myself properly to u guys ... not in any avenging manner ... just want u 2 know why i'm doing the things i actually am doing ...
Soree again if i sounded offensive .......

Thanks for all the repliesby the way ..

Rocky19
24-12-2005, 11:08 PM
if u actually think about it .. coming clean and telling my parents about me overspending and letting them blast me for only a day or two and forgive me might just be the easiest way out and just shows how hopeless of a man i will grow up 2 be ..
this is your best option. Come clean with your parents.Hopeless not unless you don't learn from this and overspend again.Tell them you will work and repay them and do it. See that way you won't be hopeless even if you repay only 10%.Lots for you to learn, you are 18 and being craeful with money is one you need to learn especially money that you are receiving from your parents. ;)

yvonnefoong
25-12-2005, 12:58 AM
jc, you were not completely honest with us anyway. U expected us to suggest solutions to you without knowing the real situation! and now you're complaining that we don't understand. what the heck!

Do u remember saying that if you do not return the money by the end of this month, you'll be in deep trouble? And then you go on to say about responsibility. So is it you, or is it your parents who wants the money by this month? Look, you should really go and talk to your parents. Admit your fault and promise to pay back, but you obviously can't do it by the end of this month! If you refuse to reason but borrow money from others to pay your own parents, then I think you're being ridiculous. We've given you so many suggestions, did you acknowledge and discuss further on any of them? No, you did not. You only want an easy way out. Which is by borrowing from people. Right? Because other than that, I can't think of another way you can get the money right away, unless you go to the pawn shop or loan sharks.

Enough said.

EdRoZeN
25-12-2005, 02:53 AM
We don't understand the entire situation here. Really. Yvonne is right. Look back into my previous posts.

USJ27Resident
26-12-2005, 11:35 PM
ohh man ... a few ugly replies already here ... seriously not wat i;m looking for really. ..

..... .. So , by constantly banging me by saying i am irresponsible, immature and brainless don;t hurt me really ..it just makes me wonder if u actually even understand the entire situation in the first place ..

and by coward ..i dun really get it ... here i am facing the problem everyday and doing all i can do to handle it ... am i a coward ??? if u actually think about it .. coming clean and telling my parents about me overspending and letting them blast me for only a day or two and forgive me might just be the easiest way out and just shows how hopeless of a man i will grow up 2 be .. just hoping for forgiveness and not do my best to clean my mess up .. In actual fact , i will be exploiting my parents if i do that... knowing they will forgive me and making use of it .. ...Thanks for all the repliesby the way ..

Just out of curiosity, what DO you think your parents would think of you ~ if they found out, that you actually posted on a public forum, asking for...(advice? soft loan? donation? employment?) to get yourself out of this mess...

Just wondering out aloud :p

ahtal68
27-12-2005, 12:33 AM
If you have an insurance policy which is over 10 years old or depending on the type of premiums you are paying, you could take a loan out for minimal interest.
You can work out with the insurance people on how to pay off the loan.
Do not in any circurmstance, surrender the policy, it is way beneficial to take out a loan for a short term. Also find out if your riders on your policy are covered during the loan term.
Hope this helps.

SunwayKid
27-12-2005, 09:57 AM
Instead of driving for solutions, I tend to agree with most of you that this guy is taking us for a ride! One minute, he is seeking answers to his predicament, the next, in another thread, he is asking about dining in the federal hotel revolving restaurant! What the heck, I can't even afford to go there.


would like 2 know more bout the federal hotel revolving restaurant too ..
anyone been ther ? roughly how much is it ? type of food ? and is it recommended 2 go ther?
Does he really deserve our help? A definite NO! :mad:

EricK
27-12-2005, 10:34 AM
Just out of curiosity, what DO you think your parents would think of you ~ if they found out, that you actually posted on a public forum, asking for...(advice? soft loan? donation? employment?) to get yourself out of this mess...

Just wondering out aloud :p

just wondering aloud .. does your 18 year old kid tell you everything he does?

kokomo
27-12-2005, 11:16 AM
It's X'mas time and New Year coming soon ... I think we've already given enuff of advise to jc86.

Just close this thread and get on wit it ... we need to start a fresh for the coming Year 2006!!! :)

baby
27-12-2005, 06:29 PM
jc86 has vamooshed. Good for him/her. Hope the lesson has been learnt. Whatever that is :D

jc86
27-12-2005, 06:38 PM
just wondering aloud .. does your 18 year old kid tell you everything he does?


now... u sound more like an ACTUAL person of this world .. u r few of those who look at things reastically ...

1 thing i just regret is that i have made sure in every one of my posts .. i do humbly apologise if i;ve sounded rude or just plain terrible ..but it seems that none of those apologies or thank-yous got to some of you ...

to sunwaykid .... about posting in the dining section about federal hotel revolving restaurant ... if u actually read wat u copied n pasted here ...u;ll see that i;ve barely any idea how much it costs to have a meal there .. and i did not mention i will be able or will be going there anytime soon .. obviously in the mess i;m currently in ...all i can do is ask and know some options to dine in the future ... is dat wrong ??

now , i don;t mean to be rude here ... u guys said ther have been plenty of advices for me already ... but look again .. dun u think most of them are just critical posts ... and most of them actually repeat the same few points ?
which is ..to confess to my parents ...
And ..wat have i said again and again in my previous posts ? by seeing at some of the posts by the "somewhat knowledgeable and emotional" ppl .. u can easily tell that they obviously have selective reading ... its pretty obvious that many just simply look through them .... look for inconsistencies as soon as they see one and click on the reply button without finishing or fully understanding wat i have said .. its ok if i have seriously made it look like i am here just 2 waste ur time ...but the thing is dat i have NOT ...

i have not been pestering or forcing anybody to help me out or give me a quick and easy solution ...neither have i rudely criticized any of your opinions

about not being forthcoming with u ...wat else do u wan 2 know really ? how i spent the money ?? will that change the way u posted ? OK ...i overspent over the past 3 months .... lots of birthdays occured over the past few months ...so ther u go ...
and if i am not wrong ...i;m quite sure ther will be replies that will start banging me of my incompetency to handle money or treating money like water therefore should not be given any respect at all ... WHICH brings us back to some of those posts that have already happened over the past 2 weeks or so .... So ..now ......wat difference does it make ? wat if u were stuck in a situation like this ? either way ..ppl still try to kick u down lower in the crap-hole you are stuck in ... and they feel like they are righteous for doing it .... just like how most people treat ex-convicts

and when u say that i did not acknowledge any of ur opinions .... haven;t i always told reasons why they won';t work for me ?? mainly where i do not want my parents to find out about this ? by the way , haven;t i always thank you guys for ur replies ??
just coz i dun follow that particular opinion .. i'm suddenly a terrible man ..
someone suggested i could be a gro .. i didnt follow that opinion ... should he/she start to feel unappreciated ?

I am not here to bang anyone or be rude to anyone .. All i did was ask for suggestions ...and all this can actually happen ... How have i possibly annoyed some of u ?? i never forced a reply or suggestion from any of u ,,, never did any unethical things to get attention around here ... even in other posts ... have i gone around to the movies' or dining section to stir up a problem ??

Seriously ..i am just disheartened from some of the replies here ..

Soree for the extremely long reply from me ... if for some reason u still hate my guts .. then its fine .. go be the decent saint u proclaim u are and hate me .. then u'd realize that wat some of u have said aren;t exactly wat u would have done ..
Soree again if i came out rude this time .. and thank you for the replies .. if u feel i dun deserve attention then dun give me attention ...i;m not asking for dat ..i just wana fix my problem ...thanks ppl

jc86
27-12-2005, 06:49 PM
jc86 has vamooshed. Good for him/her. Hope the lesson has been learnt. Whatever that is :D

i have not vamooshed ...been typing the reply above while u wrote this ..
i might have been missing the past few days onli coz i have been working .. too tired to go online everynite ..

btw .. yvonne ... why did u say dat i 'complained' about u guys not understanding me ?? i have not complained ..i just stated out my reasons ..
it might have came out as a complain to u ..but its not the way i intended it to be .. which was exactly why i apologised if i appeared rude 2 u guys ..
i won't complain or whine or moan about anything u guys did ...

i seriously never hoped to piss anyone off around here ... nor have i wanted to get into any series of argument really ...
i;m sorry if i have made u feel bad .. just want u 2 know ... that;s really not what i thought would happen