building serviced apartment in open field in usj11/3 [Archive]

orchipalar

19-12-2005, 03:50 PM

Err...yup...saw a copy of the letter at lunch time...said to be 14 storeys high...proposed by TopSpeed Development...

A 21 days notification is now tendered to its effect by MPSJ to all residents living next to the padang...

Within 21 days...come rain or shine...christmas or new year n holidays included...you are expected to present to MPSJ individually or collectively...in writing...whether you object or not...

saml

19-12-2005, 04:35 PM

Whatever the protests I guess they will just say that they have taken all views into consideration and they will do whatever is necessary(meaning absolutely nothing) to ensure that their lives are not affected!!!

pcyeoh

19-12-2005, 05:59 PM

did anyone received letter from MPSJ concerning above i thought all green lungs have been gazetted and yet this thing happen again. :mad:
WTF also. This is under JKP Zon 3 and that is my area. The residents managed to stop the foodcourt and now this. As long as there are empty land, unscrupulous people cannot just sit quiet. According to the Local Government Ministry, all green lungs must be gazzetted before end of the year. Are they going to do it. They see money everywhere. Well, got to rally them to submit their objections first and talk later. Anyone who received such letter, please contact/pm me. Let us stand together on this matter. I have a feeling they have done their ground work during the term of the previous YDP who was not interested in the well being of the taxpayers. Like I say, during his tenure, there were so many unreasonable applications. This one must have missed the boat and now landed on the new YDP talble. I would say that it is because of a lack of a structured plan for MPSJ that people just try their luck in grabbing empty land and submitting indecent proposals. Folks, for the coming structure plan, please support us or else we are gonna have this problem and we have to be full time fighting them. Prevention is better than cure. Also we must bolt the stable doors before the horses bolted. Or else no point crying over spilt milk.

mackzulkifli

19-12-2005, 06:10 PM

WTF also. This is under JKP Zon 3 and that is my area. The residents managed to stop the foodcourt and now this. As long as there are empty land, unscrupulous people cannot just sit quiet. According to the Local Government Ministry, all green lungs must be gazzetted before end of the year. Are they going to do it. They see money everywhere. Well, got to rally them to submit their objections first and talk later. Anyone who received such letter, please contact/pm me. Let us stand together on this matter. I have a feeling they have done their ground work during the term of the previous YDP who was not interested in the well being of the taxpayers. Like I say, during his tenure, there were so many unreasonable applications. This one must have missed the boat and now landed on the new YDP talble. I would say that it is because of a lack of a structured plan for MPSJ that people just try their luck in grabbing empty land and submitting indecent proposals. Folks, for the coming structure plan, please support us or else we are gonna have this problem and we have to be full time fighting them. Prevention is better than cure. Also we must bolt the stable doors before the horses bolted. Or else no point crying over spilt milk.

Well said PC.

kevin23

19-12-2005, 06:28 PM

may i knoe which field in usj 11? izzit the one in front of sri bayu?

fedup

19-12-2005, 08:42 PM

Anyone ever bother to ask why a company involved in car servicing & repair is a BIG TIME DEVELOPER. ?????????? :p :p :p :p :p I am more inclined to think there is someone behind this Francis Guy (owner director of topspeed)

cskok8

19-12-2005, 09:05 PM

In Malaysia anybody can be a developer. You just need a piece of land, charge it to the bank for start-up capital. The rest of the working capital will come from suckers :eek: oops buyers of the said property.

kwchang

19-12-2005, 11:03 PM

may i knoe which field in usj 11? izzit the one in front of sri bayu?
The large playground infront of Sri Bayu is NOT in USJ11/3 but rather USJ11/2.
USJ11/3 playground would be the one infront of Chatters' and the Ayuhtiah (spelling?) Thai restuarant

kevin23

19-12-2005, 11:28 PM

ohhhhhh.that field ahhh....i dont normally see a lot of ppl in that field but still they dont have to build crap there...normally ppl would go to the bigger field in front of sri bayu......

CCY

20-12-2005, 08:53 AM

A field whether large or small, if designated ,for the benefit of the residents usage should be left as it is . The only development should be to improve on the facilities or amenities there so that more resident would go there to relax n some much needed exercise . The only reason that not many people is going there is that it is not made more conducive for people to go there. This does not...does not ..give any right to someone to convert and build an apartment on it.

xaviers

20-12-2005, 09:21 AM

orchipalar

20-12-2005, 09:30 AM

WTF from me too. First it was the food court .. and the trouble the residents have to go through...now it's apartments. Why do something tell me I got a strong feeling that it could be the work of the same guy?

Can't they let quiet neighbourhood stay quiet ?

TopSpeed - isn't this the same fella who built the new shoplot blocks in Taipan..the one with the gym... near McD's.Err...correct...they are fast becoming to be a popular developer in these areas...n the ones in Taipan were NEVER put up for sale to the public...they are renting n managing the lots out...impressive too.

Ahem...ya never know...they could impress MPSJ n other relevant parties that they are very capable...to take on MORE n the rest of their planned projects in these areas as well...

Err...when BIG money is in question...anything is possible!

xaviers

20-12-2005, 10:10 AM

Top Speed sure works fast..at top speed... :D

Makes me wonder ... just an evil thought...

"could this be some money laundering scheme going on here ?"

Voter

20-12-2005, 01:04 PM

Blame the whole thing to MPSJ and Sime UEP :mad: . When we protested against the foodcourt last time, we were told that Sime had sold that piece of land to the the present owner inspite that the field is reserved for residential recreation purposes. Now that the land is privately owned, the owner seems to have a right to apply for development. I remember faintly that they also mentioned that if the land were to remain recreational, then MPSJ will have to purchase the land, thus using OUR (taxpayers') money, and probably at inflated "commercial" price too! If under the town planning or whatever piece of law or bylaw that the land should be recreational, then Sime UEP should cough out the money to buy back that piece of land, and then let it be gazatted permanently as recreational. But will Sime do it? :mad: Will MPSJ pursue it? :mad: It will remain a wishful dream! :rolleyes:

FineTuned

20-12-2005, 01:14 PM

...This is under JKP Zon 3 and that is my area. The residents managed to stop the foodcourt and now this....Anyone who received such letter, please contact/pm me. Let us stand together on this matter.....
Hi everybody, I'm a newbie here from USJ11. I did receive a photcopy of this letter, but i thought it refered to the Subang Ria Recreation Park matter which was in another popular thread here. If i remember correctly, the letter was dated 7th December with a 14 day notice - that means tomorrow is the deadline for raising objections?

xaviers

20-12-2005, 04:20 PM

orchipalar

20-12-2005, 04:41 PM

Err...the old chinese says..."when a coffin is insight...then people would begin to shed tears..." :o

Some time not too long ago...there WAS a Neighbourhood Watch (http://www.nwatch.net.my/) group...initiated with the community cooperations from the residents in mind...

BUT...since a couple of years ago...the neighbourbood watch group has suffered the fate of natural death...due to the simple reason...the same group of residents didn't let it breathe to live...

Ahem...so now...sorry to say...it looks like the folks living around the padang...gotta start to take up their own initiatives for their own cause to fight this...

Err...it's still NOT too late...they should have another week to go...before MPSJ could conclude their procedures for the sake of the 21Days notification... :o

Good luck folks...:)

orchipalar

20-12-2005, 05:44 PM

FineTuned

20-12-2005, 06:57 PM

"USJ 11 Neighbourhood Watch"...had suffered the fate of natural death...from the same reason mentioned.

So what does it take to revive it or is it mission impossible already? Somebody took the trouble to circulate copies of this letter, is it someone on this forum?

orchipalar

20-12-2005, 07:08 PM

Hi everybody, I'm a newbie here from USJ11. I did receive a photcopy of this letter, but i thought it refered to the Subang Ria Recreation Park matter which was in another popular thread here. If i remember correctly, the letter was dated 7th December with a 14 day notice - that means tomorrow is the deadline for raising objections?
So what does it take to revive it or is it mission impossible already? Somebody took the trouble to circulate copies of this letter, is it someone on this forum?Err...dear FineTune:)...welcome to the forum...may Orchi ask...how did ya get your copy...was it mailed to you?...IF so...did the envelope indicate the sender? :)

Err...IF this here is happening right infront of your courtyard...first n foremost...Orchi would suggest that...ASAP...ya should initiate n get your surrounding neighbours ALL together...to get their feedbacks...n signatures down in printed forms...whether they are objecting to the proposal or NOT...

Ahem...remember to get them to pledge their willingness n commitment to cooperate n WORK collectively further n together on this issue...n then ya form your ACTION group...not those NATO ones...

Err...IF n once you have established that...there are many that would be ready to support your group...and ASSIST you also...to bring your voices up to the proper n relevant channels...

Good Luck...:)

pcyeoh

20-12-2005, 07:20 PM

OH NO... we can now only watch the construction team roll in an start digging, piling and cause cracks on our walls (taht going to be another issue).

Somebody...out there ..Lee Hwa Beng, PC Yeoh... what's going to happen, what can we do ?
In compliance with the Town and Country Planning Act, MPSJ is sending this notice to you and give you 21 days to file in your objection. What you should do is don't wait for others. Just write a simple letter and say that you strongly object to the erection of a 14 storey service apartment in your area. As far as you are concern, such structure was not shown in the local plan of USJ 11 when you purchased the house and that piece of land was not meant for the said purpose. Based on this objection, request MPSJ to provide further details. In all your dealings with MPSJ, please get them to acknowledge receiving your objection by chopping, signing and dating your copy of the document as prove of submission. You don't want a situation where MPSJ can claim that no one submitted any objection. As long as there is one, they have to conduct the hearing.

A little history. That piece of land was earlier meant for the foodcourt and due to strong objection, the owner sold off this parcel of land to the new owner who actually managed to purchase the adjacent lot which was approved to have a kindergarten. He amalgamated the two parcels and now submit to MPSJ to erect the 14 storey service apartment. These two lots do not add up to the 1.5 acres which is the minimum size that the local authority would approve a high rise building. I was told it will be most unlikely to be approved. The developer is trying his luck but we know anything can happen so just file in your objection. As long as there is one objection, MPSJ must conduct a hearing and it is at this hearing that we must be prepared to submit the grounds of our objection. At this moment with so little information, the best we can do is just object. Please do that immediately. If there is no objection, then the bulldozer will start rolling and you will start crying. No need to sight any coffin which Orchi is talking about.

patwon

20-12-2005, 08:39 PM

how to e mail to protest? what is the e mail of the relevant bodies ? i sure will e mail to protest and hope all can support by e mail to jam the project. :cool:

orchipalar

20-12-2005, 08:41 PM

how to e mail to protest? what is the e mail of the relevant bodies ? i sure will e mail to protest and hope all can support by e mail to jam the project. :cool:Err...dear Pat:)...sorry to say...there is going to be...NO amount of emails alone...that would stand any chance...to resolve this issue...ahem...ya can forget about that...

Btw...please remember...this would NOT be anything like...a walk in the park or having picnic thingy...

Yes...just when everybody thought NONE like this...would ever be happening to them...n their neighbourhood...well...it's about time folks open their eyes n minds wider...n get to WORK as quickly as possible...instead of just triggering their...ahem...vocal cords only.

Err...the various residents representatives...have been warned of another freaking similar issue...coming right up...in the very near future...

n it's supposed to take shape...right behind the Shell kiosk of USJ 6(opposite MPSJ complex)...err...on the exact spot where the current TNB reserved land is... :eek:

patwon

20-12-2005, 08:58 PM

can we use the foodcourt tactics ,it seem quite ok.May the pioneers provide some tactics to terminate this project.ALL USJ residents have to start thinking .......... :cool:

orchipalar

20-12-2005, 09:05 PM

Err...dear Pat:)...just thinking alone ya should not do...ya must get everybody around there...to GET UP n WORK...

Your Chairman of your JKP Zone 3...has spoken...n ya better listen to him n WORK with him n the other experienced representatives of the residents...good!

Yes...IF you remember the foodcourt issue correctly...NO AMOUNT of Emails or armchair critics...are going to let you stand any chance UP against this issue...

Believe in it you must...:)

orchipalar

20-12-2005, 09:17 PM

Err...for the record...as the folks around the USJ 11/3 padang may be sitting on their butts wondering...what to do(?)...a group of residents' representatives are having Teh Tariks...

YES!...at the sacrifices of their FREE time...but NOT for their own leisure n past time...

Ahem...it's for the cause towards finding ways around this here issue only...

Err...believe in it you must...n should the folks living there...are NOT willing to move their butts...to WORK IT swiftly...?...you may wanna consider to say it in here too...:)

tan_r

21-12-2005, 01:04 AM

A copy of the letter and the location map is posted here (http://mydailynuggets.blogspot.com/2005/12/genuine-mistake-or-deception.html). To the affected residents, pcyeoh has already volunteered to assist.

FineTuned

21-12-2005, 09:04 AM

Thanks guys, you have given me hope that i can do something about this issue.

First, let me confirm my mistake on the deadline - it's 21 days (from the 7th December) and not 14 days. So the last day to object is 28th December.

I do not know who dropped the copy of the letter in my mailbox, but attached to it was a photocopy of newspaper clippings refering to the Subang Ria R. Park matter - which misled me to think that it was about that issue. I guess you notice that i don't read too well, lawyers will have a field day with me.

I can see that xaviers and most probably patwon too (since you started this thread) is in USJ11, while the rest of you are regulars from other parts of USJ who have been keeping an guardian angel's eye on happenings here. Where do you ppl normally meet?

I will try to get in touch with some of the nearby residents who were active during the earlier foodcourt incident, it's highly likely that they will already be organising something again this time. If not, then at least i can link them with you ppl on this forum and get more experienced directions on what steps to take next.

tan_r

21-12-2005, 09:31 AM

... I will try to get in touch with some of the nearby residents who were active during the earlier foodcourt incident, it's highly likely that they will already be organising something again this time. If not, then at least i can link them with you ppl on this forum and get more experienced directions on what steps to take next.
Good start. Please also talk to all the residents from USJ 11/3, 11/3F,3H and 3K fast and find out how many of them received the letters. Trust me - you are in the good hands of pcyeoh. :D :)

orchipalar

21-12-2005, 10:02 AM

Err...yes...with PC's long exposure n experience...n the time tested wits n management from the other committed leaders working with considerable synergy with majority of the residents from the various neighbourhoods(NWatch)...FineTune:)...IF ya can form n get the ACTION team ready to move...the other relevant parties vested with ulterior motives...should have a tough tasks ahead IF they are still contemplating to bulldoze their plans forward...

You are right!...the dateline is on or before 28th December...depending on how they would define it...with their flimsy tactics to begin with...

You would have until this weekend...that's 3 days or so...to gather your ACTION group of neighbours...get them also to pledge their unconditional support n coooperation...to DO the necessary and proceed further...

By next Tuesday 27th December...should your ADUN YB Dato Lee Hwa Beng(yes you would need him to cover your backs)...be back from his overseas trip...you should dropby to seek his guidance n assistance as well...PC should be able to get your ACTION group(the more the merrier) thru to meet the ADUN...

In any case...your group should be present by Monday morning at MPSJ to handover ALL your objections in printed n signed forms with your covering letter addressed to the YDP of MPSJ...n when you submit the document...do remember to get the acknowledgement stamped(official receipt stamped n dated) from his office at MPSJ.

Err...better you should NOT wait until Wednesday 28th December...to do it.

Good luck.:)

pcyeoh

21-12-2005, 10:29 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/usj11apartment.jpg
The above map is extracted from My Daily Nuggets where Raymond Tan suspected could be the site of the proposed 14 storey service apartment in Jalan USJ 11/3. Never mind if they got its location address wrong. According to the Town and Country Planning Act, those residents who will be affected must be informed of the development proposal by MPSJ. It says that notices of objection must be delivered to all those living within 200 metres from the proposed development. Dropping such notices like a flyer is not deemed as proper serving of a notice. That means that all the houses at the perimeter of the big field MUST be informed. The roads involved are Jalan USJ 11/3K, 3H, 3F and 3J. Go to all these houses with a copy of the notice that you received, show it to them and ask them if they have seen this notice. Please take note of those (names and addresses) who have not received as we have to build up our case to present our objection at the time of hearing.

Anything you think is confidential to share here, please PM me. We don't want to let the cat out of our bag. We have enough of cats already roaming in our neighbourhood.

FineTuned

21-12-2005, 10:59 AM

.....Anything you think is confidential to share here, please PM me. We don't want to let the cat out of our bag.....
Ok, i think i know what to do now, thanks again, guys.
All info collected will be confidentially pmed to you, pcyeoh. Over and Out.

leetickseng

21-12-2005, 11:33 AM

I have just spoken to Encik Nordin of MPSJ (Tel:03-8026 3221) about this matter. He confirmed that the proposed service apartment will be located at the same spot as the previous proposed foodcourt. However, only those residents staying within twenty (20) meters from the site are notified. No wonder I did not receive the notice, probably because I stay at Jalan USJ 11/3K, nearer to Chatter's Cafe and Restaurant side. However, I fully support any objection to the said proposal. Count me in.

tan_r

21-12-2005, 01:03 PM

.... However, only those residents staying within twenty (20) meters from the site are notified. ...
Under Section 21(8) of the Town & Country Planning Act:

In this section, "neighbouring land" means -

(a) lands adjoining the land to which an application under this section relates;

(b) lands separated from the land to which an application made under this section relate by any road, lane, drain or reserve land width which does not exceed 20 meters and which would be adjoining the land to which the application relates had they not been separated by such road, lane, drain or reserved land;

(c) lands located within a distance of 200 metres from the boundary of the land to which an application under this section relates if the access road to the land to which the application relates is a cul-de-sac used by the owners of the lands and owners of the land to which the application relates.

Also, under Section 21(6), ... the local planning authority shall, by notice in writing served on them, inform the owners of the neighbouring lands of their right to object ...

In this context, my layman understanding of SERVED means registration post.

leetickseng

21-12-2005, 02:13 PM

Can someone please clarify whether MPSJ is acting in accordance with Section 21(8) of the Town and Country Planning Act when they notify, if any, only those owners within 20 meters from the site? TQ

pcyeoh

21-12-2005, 03:53 PM

How can MPSJ rely on the 20 metre guideline when a monster of 14 storey high is breathing in front of your house? Are the people there transparent such that they do not add to the density of the area? What about traffic from this apartment block? Are they commuting using bicycles and roller skates? If these are real people and the transportation they use are cars, definitely we should enlarge the 20 metre ruling to 200 metres. The change to the locality definitely affects the quality of life of the area. A 14 storey block there is not a 14 feet structure. In that vicinity, the houses there are double storey and suddenly you have a towering neighbour next to your doorstep. I feel like building a 14 storey monument next to all the houses of those who approve this proposed apartment block and let's see how they feel. The philosophy which is from the Bible "As you wish others do to you, do so to them" or in plain English "taste you own medicine" should be the principle those in high offices should adhere to. In that way, they feel for the taxpayers. Or are they following the slogan, "Ini saya semua mahu."

orchipalar

21-12-2005, 04:10 PM

Err...Orchi thinks...this could be how somebody in MPSJ intentionally wants to work it as a typo error...from '200m' down to '20m'...they would later say...ah!...tengok itu bantahan dari pihak penduduk hanya seramai 5 orang sahaja!

n later in the appraisal stage...they would reverse the numbers back to 200m...n present it that way to the decisions makers...ya!...betul lah...hanya 5 orang yang bantah...err...tak peduli sama mereka lah...:rolleyes:

patwon

21-12-2005, 06:44 PM

IS THERE ANY MEETING ? ANY USJ 11 RESIDENT ASSOCIATION AVAILABLE? :o

pcyeoh

22-12-2005, 12:29 AM

I spoke to one of the members of the Action Committee and he related that the committee has without any hesitation shot their bantahan in a canon ball to the feet of MPSJ. In the same breath, they tembak the same letter to the Mentri Besar, the Selangor State Planning Committee and guess what - they even sent a copy to the Anti Corruption Agency. Way to go man and you guys have just lifted my spirit. Like Orchi, they also smelt the same rotten fish over the manner the whole thing is being handled. There is some element that pointed that someone is doing a shoddy work here. From the initial findings, only a handful of residents received the notices and even those notices were shafted into their letter boxes which incidentally are full of flyers from Ah Long Bank Berhad, Hj Wahid Massage for men, Suzy Wong Slimming Salon, Ah Seng Contractor, 'Borhan Isa Semua OK Agency. Is this the way MPSJ gets their ISO certification??

Coming back to the said 14 storey apartment block. In their previous battle against the foodcourt on the same piece of land, the Mentri Besar intervened and called off the project and the State Planning Committee assured the Action Committee that that piece of land has been zoned as green lung. That is the reason why they cc their bantahan to both the Mentri Besar and the State Planning Committee to inform them that the same developer now wanted to have the second bite of the cherry and so how?

I was also being told and I may be wrong that the applicant is also the developer of the newly completed commercial complex at Taipan and also currently building two buildings at both ends of Taipan - one next to Burger King (ex Kenny Rogers) and another one next to Restauran Nelayan or next to the forever deserted Pondok Polis. This guy is just amazing. It looks like my joke "Ini saya semua mahu" is very true. Semua mahu sapu.

FineTuned

22-12-2005, 01:23 AM

I took a walk yesterday evening around the padang and wonder of wonders the first person there i talked to about this matter turned out to be the chairman of the Action Committee!

He basically told me the same thing pcyeoh mentioned. He was also curious about the photocopy of the letter I received because it was not distributed by his group - is there another working `comitttee'?

Anyway, i'm happy that there are residents already getting together to lodge the official protest, and these are the same ppl who were active on the foodcourt case.

I will try to keep you guys informed of further developments i.e. the next meeting time and place so that those who wish to may join in to show your support.

pcyeoh

22-12-2005, 09:24 AM

In their aim to be seen and heard as part of their accountability, MPSJ conducts the "Meet the Taxpayer Day" and it is held every Friday except the fourth Friday. At this event, all the heads of dept including the Yang Di Pertua will have to come out of their ivory towers and turun padang and face the music. So if the rakyat is not satisfied over any issue that have been dragging or not being handled well by the ikan bilis officers, this is the time to play your music here. The Action Committee has planned to be there TOMOROW morning over this issue. If you want to hear it from the horses and the asses mouths, be there.

Oh, I love the one held some time ago when our gung ho Mentri Besar came for the meet the people session with his entourage of ExCO members held at the Land Office. He got an earful from us that till this day he still remembers those thorny issues faced by the Subang Jaya/USJ residents and that session was the first and the last one he will attend. Two weeks ago when I met him in one of the JKP functions, he still remembers me and our issue!!!

pcyeoh

23-12-2005, 02:15 PM

Though the Meet the people session scheduled to start at 9.00am, the YDP came down at 11.00am. Nevertheless, the Action Committee handed the bantahan officially to him and an official acknowledgement was received. I can't divulge too much details here for strategic reason but shall I say in the same manner as See you in court, we have "See you at the hearing." But this YDP unlike his predecessor, was very sympathatic and listened to what the Action Committee representing the affected residents has to say. A hand scribbled note by the Mentri Besar assuring of the green lung status of the said land was shown to him and I was told that he took hard look and an extra note on that. At the hearing, the Petaling Land Office will be summoned to explain and provide the rich history of this hot property. By the way, the Director of Planning, Mohd Isa was there with the YDB. He is the key man in the approval process.

Since there is a bantahan, there will be a hearing and this hearing will be chaired either by the YDP himself or our belly dancer (ooops I am doing 'fedup' a favour) ADUN for Subang Jaya Dato Lee Hwa Beng. When a request was made to have ample notice to prepare the case, the friendly YDP took out his PDA and immediately provided two dates - 3pm Thursday 5th January or same time and day but 12th January 2006. This is a contigency date to cater for Dato Lee's schedule since the belly dancer (again another favour for 'fedup') is not around to confirm. Those with vested interest would have hope for a no contest fight.

So you guys, the war has been officially declared. Take a good rest and spend time with your family and come next year we will fight. Say NO to never ending story 14 - storey service apartment.