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Lexus
15-12-2005, 06:30 PM
Hi there, I've heard some Malaysian talking about STPM as the hardest or the 2nd hardest examination. I'm not very sure about this and that's why I'm here to ask for confirmation.

If possible, I would also like to view international web site claiming that STPM is the hardest or the 2nd hardest exam.

Thanks a lot.

mlkok
15-12-2005, 06:41 PM
I'm not sure about now but when I took it around 10 years ago it sure was hard. Change in syllabus. There weren't any textbooks in BM so we had to use A-Levels text. So lots of stuff was out of sync. Wouldn't that make it tough? :p

Lexus
16-12-2005, 12:04 AM
Thanks for your feedback. Well I understand :)

How about now? :)

kwchang
16-12-2005, 12:33 AM
I don't know about now but in my days, it was not yet STPM but rather Higher School Certificate (HSC) - the original one which is also sat by 6th formers in Singapore and certified by Cambridge, UK. In our days, exams were tough. Except for the Kebangsaan schools (I guess theirs' was STP), we were all in English medium schools. You can count the straight A students (only a handful) unlike today where they produce them by the thousands.

After 6th Form, University was a breeze. Perhaps it was relative because the way courses were run in the university was not so crammed or stressful like the short 6th form span.

We have to admit, medical and engineering courses were tougher than 6th form but then they had really brilliant student back then.

hezron
16-12-2005, 09:07 AM
during my time (1996)...
STPM is quite tough and we still study 4 electives plus 1 compulsory (Pengajian Am)...
nowadays, 3 electives plus 2 compulsory (Pengajian Am and English) should be easier...

BTW... we got trick to study...
For Science and Maths Subjects...
You can study those A-Level questions (pass years)...
Normally this year's question will be more or less a combination of these A-Level questions...

gnehkgnep
16-12-2005, 09:26 AM
It is very subjective to say how hard is hard.......for ppl who expect lower grade and just cukup makan to enter Uni......they think it is easy bcoz it is less hard work compared to those aiming for 5As.......

For myself......i think it is okie lar......anyway the content of material is not as hard as my Engineering subjects........and the sylabus is damn huge.......most of the time......if your teacher at school know what are the area to target for studies....it can b a huge help.....that's why most top STPM school continuously to score plentiful of 5As students yr after yr........and if u donno what to cover......u have to go thru minimum of 5 books for each subjects with about 10 chapters in each books........which for 1.5 yrs is really insuficient to cover if u really plan to revise all the books available in the market.....

And btw....i think the current batch of STPM is relatively easier than past.........just take Further Maths which is not in the sylabus anymore and u will know what i mean.......but my fav subjects is physics and maths......so i did fare pretty okie lar compare to everyone in my school....... :D

JackRyan1975
16-12-2005, 09:39 AM
STPM was a killer and one has to be relatively matured at 18yo in the sense of acknowledging it's the toughest exam in the world and it's no walk in the park. The difficulty lies not so much in passing (though it is hard too), but in achieving good results compared to other candidates due to the quota system and limited places in the local unis. Though it was only 5 subjects, but the exam actually stretched over 3 weeks, with papers every other day. My only pride in the results was my Pengajian Am which I got 1-1. :D

Lexus
16-12-2005, 02:27 PM
STPM was a killer and one has to be relatively matured at 18yo in the sense of acknowledging it's the toughest exam in the world

Source?
:rolleyes: :)

JackRyan1975
16-12-2005, 02:46 PM
Source?
:rolleyes: :)

That's my opinion shaped by my experience and many others in the teaching fraternity. Ain't got the time to research it up for you now and it's also not in my interest to do so anymore. Happy searching and researching.

usj18leong
16-12-2005, 04:24 PM
I do not think STPM is hard as you can find thousands of students who scored straight As every year. During my HSC year, we have only 3 5As student in whole of Malaysia.

Vince
16-12-2005, 05:44 PM
Subject: FW: Getting Smarter



> > The objective of STPM is to pass people?
> > How do you explain the fact that 87% of the students passed the
> > examinations of the Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM) recently?
> > When during your grandfather's time only 10% would have passed?
> >
> > Are students getting smarter? Or are STPM questions getting easier?
> >
> > Let me put things in their proper perspective.
> >
> > During your grandfather's time, they would ask exam questions like:
> >
> > In what year did Parameswara founded the kingdomof Melaka?
> >
> > The correct answer was "1402", and they found that only 10% of the
> > students
> > managed to answer the question correctly. This didn't go down too well
> > with
> > the authorities, because the objective of the exams was to pass people.
> >
> > I mean, what's the point of having exams if people fail?
> >
> > So later, they found another way to ask the same question:
> >
> > Parameswara founded the kingdomof Melakain the year:
> > (a) 2001
> > (b) 2004
> > (c) 1986
> > (d) 1975
> > (e) 1402
> > Tick the correct answer.
> >
> > The results were better in that 20% of the students passed. But it was
> > still not good enough, so the authorities tried a different tact a few
> > years later.
> >
> > Parameswara founded the kingdomof Melakain the year1402. True or
> > false?
> >
> > Well, half of the students guessed "True" and the other half guessed
> > "False". Fully 50% passed. The results were getting pretty acceptable by
> > now.
> >
> > Most other countries would be satisfied with a 50% passing rate, but not
> > us. We are a better country, because we are a boleh country.The
> > authorities
> > then cracked their heads and then came out with this one:
> >
> > Read the following sentence carefully.
> > "Parameswara, the cousin of Proton-Iswara, founded the kingdomof Melaka
> > in
> > the year 1402."
> > Underline the name of the person who founded Melaka.
> >
> > 60% underlined "Parameswara", 30% underlined "Proton-Iswara" and 10%
> > underlined "1402". Hooiyoh......60% managed to pass! So krever!
> >
> > But for some reason, the authorities were still not contented.
> > So last year, they came out with this gem:
> >
> > One day in the year 1402, Parameswara founded the kingdomof Melaka.
> > Then
> > he went home to have dinner. What did he eat?
> >
> > 13% handed in blank answers, 57% wrote "Maggi Mee", and 10% wrote
> > "Kentucky
> > Fried Chicken", and 20% wrote "Tree bark".
> > The official answer was "Food" of course!
> > After the marking was over, it was found that 87% of the students had
> > passed.
> > 87%............now that's pretty impressive!
> >
> > So it's true. The students are indeed getting smarter.
> >
> >
>

Lexus
16-12-2005, 06:03 PM
:eek:

Oh erm I see..so that's how.. :cool:

gnehkgnep
16-12-2005, 06:14 PM
Read this pareswara jokes b4.....lol :D

BelaCHAN
11-01-2006, 10:04 PM
I'm currently waiting For my STPM results. I've also heard that it's sopposed to be the 2nd hardest test in the world (is it?) but i can't get confirmation. But if it's one thing i've got to say, it's that the STPM is the BEST! exam paper that i've ever sat for in my life =D. Contrary to what most people say, STPM is NOT THAT HARD!!! I'd recommend anyone with good brains to go for it, but not to those otherwise lah (^^)

MOYSC
12-01-2006, 09:42 PM
Hi there, I've heard some Malaysian talking about STPM as the hardest or the 2nd hardest examination. I'm not very sure about this and that's why I'm here to ask for confirmation.

If possible, I would also like to view international web site claiming that STPM is the hardest or the 2nd hardest exam.

Thanks a lot.

Yeah! it was tough for me (certainly not the hardest) not because of its syllabus, but mostly because it was conducted in BM. Books in BM were limited and translations were poor and doesn't help much in understanding. Terms & terminologies - changes now & then - very confusing! (this is with reference to Science subjects)

I personally don't think that any international website would want to make reference to our puny STPM examination. Why would they want to anyway? :confused:

eric_guy77
02-02-2006, 12:46 AM
Hi there, I've heard some Malaysian talking about STPM as the hardest or the 2nd hardest examination. I'm not very sure about this and that's why I'm here to ask for confirmation.

If possible, I would also like to view international web site claiming that STPM is the hardest or the 2nd hardest exam.

Thanks a lot.

Hi Lexus, I took STPM in 6-7 years ago and I used to teach plenty of A level students.

My opinion is STPM is far more harder than A levels. I will say maybe STPM is the top 5 hardest pre-U examination in the world....just my 2 cents.

Seiryu
07-02-2006, 01:36 PM
Among all pre u examinations: STPM, A lvls, ICPU, SAM, AUSMAT, MUFY

which is the hardest? STPM of cos... NO DOUBT even for now. stpm is still the hardest among all. (just compare the textbook, the STPM's ORGANIC chemistry textbook itself is thicker than SAM's whole chemistry textbook) just imagine how much STPM covers. i am talking bout the present time now..

and which is more recognised? that i don't know.

mimosa
10-02-2007, 10:54 PM
Subject: FW: Getting Smarter

The objective of STPM is to pass people?

How do you explain the fact that 87% of the students passed the examinations of the Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM) recently? When during your grandfather's time only 10% would have passed?

Are students getting smarter? Or are STPM questions getting easier?
Let me put things in their proper perspective.

During your grandfather's time, they would ask exam questions like:

In what year did Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka?
The correct answer was "1402", and they found that only 10% of the students managed to answer the question correctly. This didn't go down too well with the authorities, because the objective of the exams was to pass people.

I mean, what's the point of having exams if people fail?
So later, they found another way to ask the same question:

Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka in the year:
(a) 2001
(b) 2004
(c) 1986
(d) 1975
(e) 1402
Tick the correct answer.

The results were better in that 20% of the students passed. But it was still not good enough, so the authorities tried a different tactic a few years later.

Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka in the year 1402. True or false?

Well, half of the students guessed "True" and the other half guessed "False". Fully 50% passed. The results were getting pretty acceptable by now.

Most other countries would be satisfied with a 50% passing rate, but not us. We are a better country, because we are a boleh country.The authorities then cracked their heads and then came out with this one:

Read the following sentence carefully.
"Parameswara, the cousin of Proton-Iswara, founded the kingdom of Melaka in the year 1402." Underline the name of the person who founded Melaka.

60% underlined "Parameswara", 30% underlined "Proton-Iswara" and 10% underlined "1402". Hooiyoh......60% managed to pass! So krever!

But for some reason, the authorities were still not contented. So last year, they came out with this gem:

One day in the year 1402, Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka. Then he went home to have dinner. What did he eat?

13% handed in blank answers, 57% wrote "Maggi Mee", and 10% wrote "Kentucky Fried Chicken", and 20% wrote "Tree bark". The official answer was "Food" of course!

After the marking was over, it was found that 87% of the students had passed. 87%............now that's pretty impressive!

So it's true. The students are indeed getting smarter.

I'm embarrassed to say that I only today read this. Thought I would re-post for those who missed it. :D

kwchang
11-02-2007, 12:48 AM
Hey, Mimosa,
This is what is known as a parody - where one makes fun of a real situation. Of course, the story that you posted is untrue. It was fabricated to demonstrate a point.

When you read something from an email forwarded to you, you should laugh over it and chuck it into the waste basket. These are jokes with no truth. If you or any one believed it, then I am so sorry that another one was born again in our midsts. I believe you don't even understand what I meant by my last sentence. ;) :)

sulynx
14-02-2007, 01:19 AM
i took my stpm in 2004. i don't know if i'm the best judge as to the difficulty of stpm as compared to other pre-u courses because i have not seen a-level papers or such. i found it hard, but then again, i find everything i study at the moment is hard. i fooled around in my form six days, had a pretty good time, and managed to scrape through. especially economics. :mad: bloody economics.

personally, i felt stpm was hard because the syllabus is pretty thick - everybody says form six takes two years when in reality it's about less than one and a half years. i only started form six in late april, but you have to minus the two months' of year-end hols and the many weeks of hols in between. i had an equal of good and lousy teachers.

having said that, i thought my form six days weren't so bad and i would probably choose to do it again, even over a-levels with a scholarship offer.

mimosa
14-02-2007, 01:44 AM
Aiyah, of course I know its untrue, but maybe ... ;) :D

Reading it cheered me up, so thought some others could share too.

hhtee
20-02-2007, 11:17 AM
Hi there, I've heard some Malaysian talking about STPM as the hardest or the 2nd hardest examination. I'm not very sure about this and that's why I'm here to ask for confirmation.

If possible, I would also like to view international web site claiming that STPM is the hardest or the 2nd hardest exam.

Thanks a lot.
you must also see when the claim was made. for instance maybe many years ago, the stpm standard maybe very high and consequently, universities like UM was claimed by some ex-grads. to be the best in the world.

my analogy is, "rubbish in, rubbish out" n vice versa

so, perhaps you should also look at current local university status.

hhtee
20-02-2007, 11:19 AM
oh, I forgot to mention, of course there r some students who are outstanding though the university status maybe of "low standard"

Kito
28-02-2007, 11:11 PM
well, i am in upper six now taking STPM this year. >_<

dryyyap
30-03-2007, 04:40 PM
Well, good luck to you Kito. Don't be discouraged by the postings here. There will be some subjects you will do better than others. For example I aced my maths. The enormity of the syllabus is the main deterrant. During my time the syllabus was not very well outlined, hence we had to resort to 'other resources' to compliment what he have just in case, thus creating a lot of unnecessary research and waste of time. Although I did relatively well, I still felt that some amount of pointing in the right direction would have been beneficial.

Kito
31-03-2007, 03:47 PM
thx for your inspirational words...hehe

JohnMax
16-07-2007, 11:31 PM
Is kind of hard study STPM, but i didt try oversea exam. Maybe STPM is hard, but when at U is easy causestrong basic. So not hardest la i think, but same i heard before people world 2nd or 3rd hardest exam. :)

great
29-07-2007, 02:16 AM
I don't consider STPM is the hardest examination,like so many countrie got their own kolej entrance examination,their competition are not malaysian can image,very few opptunity to entrance a universiti,and their learning are so difficult,like in China NCEE(Nation College Entrance Examination)are so hard,and lots of students try their hard to get an oppunity to go to a kolej...

rklx
14-03-2010, 08:36 PM
Someone told me that stpm is the 2nd hardest exam BUT he also said Form 6 syllabus is not the best in the world, just the way of stpm questions are difficult.

currymee
14-03-2010, 09:52 PM
About 15-20 years ago, STPM is one of the most highly regarded pre-university exams in the world, but not anymore with all the tinkering by politicians ..... :(

smallkid91
14-01-2011, 12:59 AM
I did STPM not too long ago. STPM papers before year 1999 are hard. ( I did all the past years from 2009 all the way back dated on 1989 )

I would say STPM is getting easier (maybe about 30% of the toughnest level in olden days), but the government's not totally at fault. If STPM is easy, what about Alevels? Alevels is half as hard as STPM. And it wouldnt be fair for STPM students to be competing for a place in the University just by comparing grades. As students from Alevel would definitely get a better grade.

What i would suggest is that University to set their own entrance exam (like Oxford), setting Physics Aptitude Test, History Aptitute test for their prospective students, so that the real "cream" can be identified.



** The following is important for STPM students**
For those with financial restriction and did STPM, study hard. STPM is a good chance to proof yourself. Make sure you guys study hard, take note of several university application deadlines, DO NOT memorise, try to understand it although it may take time. Get good results, and find a company to sponsor you or apply for JPA. Goodluck

If you guys need any help, you can PM/email me.

Source: I'm an ex-STPM student who managed to obtain a University College London (UCL) offer, currently looking for fundings :P

akiyoshi
17-01-2011, 12:15 AM
Hi,

May I know were the teachers good in teaching form 6 at your school ?
Was the school able to prepare the students well ?

I heard at one school, they had 2 or 3 physics teachers specializing in different physics and really planned the lessons well to align to maths lessons.

I think STPM generally have teachers who are already experienced and well versed with the subjects, formally trained as teachers too. Whereas private colleges do not necessarily get teachers .. Well, I may be wrong.

Would be good to hear what others have to say.

Good luck in your undergrad studies.

smallkid91
26-01-2011, 09:11 PM
Err. I'm not going to comment about my teacher. However, I would recommend Ng Pek Har for physics. She's the best. I dare to say she can beat all the physics teachers/lecturers that i met. She's better than any physics teacher in Kasturi, Kancil, bla bla bla.

She really makes you understand physics. You can solve almost every physics problem in real life if you understand and follow her lecture, does her homework from day 1. A handful of her students ends up in Oxford.

You can do a quick search in google : ( "pek har" physics ) and see what other students say about her. Example from this site : http://totalabsurdbullshits.blogspot.com/2006/07/this-is-intriguing_30.html



( This is not an advertisement. I do not receive commision from this teacher, unlike the tuition centre at ss19. and I'm not promoting for her, just feel that she's 1 in a billion kind of teacher, and i really respect her )

wongjie90
18-10-2011, 08:14 PM
I did STPM not too long ago. STPM papers before year 1999 are hard. ( I did all the past years from 2009 all the way back dated on 1989 )

I would say STPM is getting easier (maybe about 30% of the toughnest level in olden days), but the government's not totally at fault. If STPM is easy, what about Alevels? Alevels is half as hard as STPM. And it wouldnt be fair for STPM students to be competing for a place in the University just by comparing grades. As students from Alevel would definitely get a better grade.

What i would suggest is that University to set their own entrance exam (like Oxford), setting Physics Aptitude Test, History Aptitute test for their prospective students, so that the real "cream" can be identified.



** The following is important for STPM students**
For those with financial restriction and did STPM, study hard. STPM is a good chance to proof yourself. Make sure you guys study hard, take note of several university application deadlines, DO NOT memorise, try to understand it although it may take time. Get good results, and find a company to sponsor you or apply for JPA. Goodluck

If you guys need any help, you can PM/email me.

Source: I'm an ex-STPM student who managed to obtain a University College London (UCL) offer, currently looking for fundings :P
My classmates all scored 5, 6, 7 or 8A's in SPM but only can get a so so result in STPM