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vsat
02-12-2005, 09:28 AM
Here's a situation to think about :

If I were to park my car in a legal manner, and then some unthoughtful person double parks behind me. And leaves the car.
I come back to a situation where I cannot move out from my car due to this person.
Let's say I have an emergency. A sick friend asking me to drive him/her to clinic and I'm rushing to my car to find someone double parked behind it.
After honking for more than 10 minutes, the owner of the car still has not shown up yet.

If I were to break his window glass and because of that , I'm able to access and release the hand brake and push his car out of my path, how will that turn out to be?

What can the car owner who double parked do? Lodge a police report?
But remember, I have an emergency and I have to take drastic measures because of this selfish person.

Who is right and who is wrong in terms of the law?

kevin23
02-12-2005, 09:46 AM
i would say you are wrong,because even though u have an emergency and even though the owner has not come after 10 minutes,u still cant go arnd smashing ppl's window to bits...normally the owner would come b4 10 minutes but if he still doesnt turn up,then u might have to wait till he arrives...and when he does,just give him a good sounding,and if he wants 2 fight back,just lodge a police report..take down the car make n registration number..but u just dont know nowadays especially when the police have been through so much criticism..mayb he will juz take ur report n sweep it under the carpet..hey,thatz what malaysian police is all about..malaysia BOLEH !! :(

pcyeoh
02-12-2005, 09:52 AM
What can the car owner who double parked do? Lodge a police report?
But remember, I have an emergency and I have to take drastic measures because of this selfish person.

Who is right and who is wrong in terms of the law?
Whatever situation you are in does not give you the right to take the law into your own hands. As there are many ways to skin a cat, smashing one's car just because it was double parked is not the only solution. If it is life and death, then get someone else to drive you there - by hook or by crook.

I remembered a case in Penang where Dr Ong Hean Tee, a senior Penang State Exco member slated to step into Dr Lim Chong Eu's shoe as Chief Minaister actually threw a brick thus smashing the windscreen of a van that was parked in a manner blocking his Mercedes. He said he was in an emergency to attend to a call made by one of his constituents. It became a hot topic but the general conclusion was he has no right to do so as it tantamounted to taking the law into his own hands and due to his stupidity, he lost the election. The rest is history.

mon
02-12-2005, 09:53 AM
Or perhaps you could think of the guy having an emergency too, that's why he couldn't come out in 10 minutes..? But yeah..something like this, putting me in this scenario would really fume me up too..but no..I'd rather give him a good scolding than risk ending up in the balai.. :o

orchipalar
02-12-2005, 10:01 AM
What can the car owner who double parked do? Lodge a police report?
But remember, I have an emergency and I have to take drastic measures because of this selfish person.

Who is right and who is wrong in terms of the law?Err...if Orchi is allowed to be the judge to that...Orchi would say...both are in the wrong...for each of their wrong doing...:D

GreyShadow
02-12-2005, 11:52 AM
Errr... I have witnessed and in a similiar senario a few months back
I was out to tapau lunch from a kopitiam nearby... the kopitiam was infront of a one way single lane, and an idiot park his car there... leaving just barely enough space for a normal sedan car to drive thru... then the problem starts when a rubbish truck need to pass thru... the rubbish truck cannot reverse as behind there already got a long queue of cars on that single lane, and the queue is getting longer..
So everyone was stuck in this bad situation :( Smelly rubbish and fumes from the truck can be smell in the kopitiam, and its a piping hot afternoon... even tho I'm sitting in my car with A/C full blast, I still can feel the heat... the truck honk for more than 15 minutes while the patron in the kopitiam there was "enjoying" the "aroma", and while I was BBQ roasted alive in my car.... no one show up.
So drastic action had to be done... windows was smashed, hand brake was released, and the car was pushed out of the way... Yay!! everybody happy, except the car owner of cos... :p
The truck gets to collect its rubbish, the patron gets to enjoy their meal without the additional "aroma", everybody queuing behind gets to where they are going and I got home to enjoy my chicken rice with a slight tan ;)

Ski
02-12-2005, 12:52 PM
Okay, another case while driving along a narrow road with car parks along oneside suddenly the front car stops in the middle of the road without warning he runs to the laundry shop to collect his clothes. I wait for nearly 10 mins . What would you do...unfortunately my wife and children were with me.

sundaygirl
02-12-2005, 01:50 PM
in this situation, calling a tow truck is useful too
just get the bugger's car tow away .. pay the tow truck shud u want to get ur car back, how abt it?

LMei
02-12-2005, 01:54 PM
in this situation, calling a tow truck is useful too
just get the bugger's car tow away .. pay the tow truck shud u want to get ur car back, how abt it?
How many of us keep a tow truck no in hand? Besides not all tow truck does this except those with special permit.

penangkia
02-12-2005, 01:57 PM
Unlawful it may be to smash someone's property but incidents like these only go to show that when they is a breakdown in law enforcements, the law breaking instinct in some people will just crawl out of the woodworks.

These are not isolated incidents...go to Taipan or SS15 shoplots for a first hand experience. The most annoying part is that those idiots think they have the right to break the law just because they could not find a proper convenient parking place. In fact, even when they do come out after 10 minutes of honking, they give you a stern look as if you are the one causing all the trouble. :mad:

I won't be too quick to condemn those who smash the windscreens of the otakless irresponsible pinheads. Those idiots who have total disregard for other people's welfare and inflict agony on others without a second thought, are not entitled to any norms of decency.

orchipalar
02-12-2005, 02:01 PM
So drastic action had to be done... windows was smashed, hand brake was released, and the car was pushed out of the way... Yay!! everybody happy, except the car owner of cos... :p
The truck gets to collect its rubbish, the patron gets to enjoy their meal without the additional "aroma", everybody queuing behind gets to where they are going and I got home to enjoy my chicken rice with a slight tan ;)
Err...dear GreyShadow:)...in MOST automatic transmission vehicles these days...one can smash ALL the windows or tear down the doors...n YET ya won't be able to move the vehicle...even for 1 inch...:)

Ahem...ya need to have the vehicle's ignition key...:eek:

Nic_of_Time
02-12-2005, 02:03 PM
Double parking is a traffic offence.
Damaging property of others is also an offence (criminal).

However,if there is an emergency and some life is at stake,
plus there is no other options, and the situation warrant it,
go ahead and break the glass.
Then make the police report and let the law takes
it's course.
The glass won't cost much and i am sure the majistrate would
will acquit on compassionate grounds if there is a genuine reason/need to break that glass.
The guy who did the double parking should be given the maximum fine.

GreyShadow
02-12-2005, 02:17 PM
Oh well... manual or auto, that I dunno lar... I guess it's manual since those rubbish truck operator manage to push it out of the way :D

Luckily it's manual... if it's auto and can't be push out of the way... I dunno what will the truck driver do?... just squeeze and ram thru? then the repair cost will be more than a broken window :p

Jokee
02-12-2005, 02:42 PM
Since its an emergency, my friend's health should be the priority. I will get other means of transport such as taxi. Just an additional amount spent on taxi and some inconvenience caused. Why you wanna cause big problems that results in court case hoping the majistrate to acquit you on compassionate grounds? Two wrongs never make a right. What most important is to help your friend first. Later when you have cooled down, then you can sort things out with the inconsiderate driver, if he is still there.

kwchang
02-12-2005, 03:06 PM
For those with the excuse that they have no where to park, hence the double/triple parking required, I have a short story to tell -

I was in Taipan yesterday, mid morning. No where to park and I needed to get to the bank. Drove to the multi-story carpark, right up to the 3rd level (last covered level before the roof-top parking) and guess what, there were hundreds, if not thousands of empty parking lots. Not reserved (only level 1 & 2 are reserved).

For RM2, a short walk down the stairs and we avoid all these stupididty of double parking. There is no excuse regarding the lack of parking places.

Nic_of_Time
02-12-2005, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Jokee
Why you wanna cause big problems that results in court case hoping the majistrate to acquit you on compassionate grounds?

Note in bold,

plus there is no other options, and the situation warrant it,
go ahead and break the glass. Sometimes we just have to choose between the devil or the deep blue sea.

If there are other options or better alternatives, of course, we should choose whichever is the best way, taxis, neighbour's car, passerby, etc.

drewkool
02-12-2005, 03:11 PM
Smashing car window has already been planted deeeeply as a solution or should i say a thought in the people's mind.
Do you know that how many people actually point their fingers to the one who couldnt get his car out becoz of this double parking vehicle behind him & eventually smash the car window and move out from there?

You might be surprised(but I wont), that people beside you, behind you, start talking about smashing the window as the only solution after the honking work for more than 5minutes.

- Aiya... about the talking, anyone can talk about taking taxi, friends car, this n that, but when the thing happens to one him/herself is a totally different story. Mama, Papa, all dunno already, furiosity & Violence. We are all human with gifted emotions. -

Wrongful, Rightful, let the court decides, after all, you probably will be notified after some 10 years for these cases.

Nic_of_Time
02-12-2005, 04:19 PM
- Aiya... about the talking, anyone can talk about taking taxi, friends car, this n that, but when the thing happens to one him/herself is a totally different story. Mama, Papa, all dunno already, furiosity & Violence. We are all human with gifted emotions. -

It is quite obvious that there is a vast difference between 'knowing', 'talking' and 'doing/action' on any issues. That is why the word NATO is such so common.

In such a forum, we are in the knowing-talking mode. As such we should firstly talk/discuss issues to the best we know within legally and socially accepted norms.

I understand most humans (me included) are very instinctive and can be easily blinded by emotions. We are capable of doing the opposite of what we talk or suggest to others. It is always easier said than done.

If I am in a situation as presented by Vsat, and my friend life is at stake, frankly i am not sure i would be doing at that point in time. However, i am hopeful that with discussions raised here or more discussions elsewehere, my rational brain wires are active enough, and i would be sane enough to recall and apply what is discussed.. hopefully.

isarahim
02-12-2005, 05:08 PM
Ex turpi causa non oritur actio - Of an illegal cause there can be no lawsuit

This is term in Common Law. The basic meaning is that: if one is engaged in illegal activity, one cannot sue another for damages that arose out of that illegal activity.

In other words, if someone is breaking the law by double parking, and by accident or absolute necessity, this someone's car is damaged, that someone should not have any rights in the face of the law.

tan_r
02-12-2005, 05:14 PM
In other words, if someone is breaking the law by double parking, and by accident or absolute necessity, this someone's car is damaged, that someone should not have any rights in the face of the law.
Does it mean that if I were at the third floor of the car park and I threw a brick from up there and it ACCIDENTLY smashed a car that double parked, I would be OK? Wow ... that's very tempting lah. The honest truth is this has been a consuming thought for a long, long time. :D

isarahim
02-12-2005, 05:29 PM
Does it mean that if I were at the third floor of the car park and I threw a brick from up there and it ACCIDENTLY smashed a car that double parked, I would be OK? Wow ... that's very tempting lah. The honest truth is this has been a consuming thought for a long, long time. :D

Correct.

But you'd be in deep s??t if you accidentally hit a legally parked car instead...

orchipalar
02-12-2005, 05:39 PM
Does it mean that if I were at the third floor of the car park and I threw a brick from up there and it ACCIDENTLY smashed a car that double parked, I would be OK? Wow ... that's very tempting lah. The honest truth is this has been a consuming thought for a long, long time. :DErr...Lone Ranger:)...kimosabe Orchi wants to serve you master...n join you also...in doing good deeds for the general public...but first...err...Orchi gotta find you a freaking silver horse...:D

Nic_of_Time
02-12-2005, 05:54 PM
Ex turpi causa non oritur actio - Of an illegal cause there can be no lawsuit

I am not a lawyer, but i find it a bit difficult to reconcile with my current knowledge.

Let say, if a rapist is mauled badly or killed by
victim's husband or the victim herself, then
the rapist relatives or himself do not have any legal recourse??
I would definitely like to learn more about this.

What if a prostitute is killed by her client in the course of
the business action? Murderer goes scotfree??

I am remembered, prostitution is illegal in the UK, but
the taxman have legal grounds to collect taxes from the prostitutes.

isarahim
02-12-2005, 06:36 PM
I am not a lawyer, but i find it a bit difficult to reconcile with my current knowledge.

I'm not a lawyer either, so perhaps I'm not fully conversant with how this principle is utilised in practice. These are my thoughts however:


Let say, if a rapist is mauled badly or killed by
victim's husband or the victim herself, then
the rapist relatives or himself do not have any legal recourse??
I would definitely like to learn more about this.

The murder is not an accident or a necessary result of the initial crime. Hence it falls outside of the principle.


What if a prostitute is killed by her client in the course of
the business action? Murderer goes scotfree??

In most countries these days, I think the client of the prostitute is just as much criminal as the prostitute. Hence the act of murder is a separate crime.


I am remembered, prostitution is illegal in the UK, but
the taxman have legal grounds to collect taxes from the prostitutes.

Yes. And the prostitutor is just as much a criminal as the prostitutee.

The principle is only applicable to damages or injuries being accidental or a direct result of the initial crime. For instance, if I rob the StanChart branch in Taipan and running away I accidentally step on a broken drain cover and fall onto the gutter, I have no rights to sue MPSJ.

sly
02-12-2005, 10:50 PM
I am not a lawyer, but i find it a bit difficult to reconcile with my current knowledge.

Let say, if a rapist is mauled badly or killed by
victim's husband or the victim herself, then
the rapist relatives or himself do not have any legal recourse??
I would definitely like to learn more about this.

What if a prostitute is killed by her client in the course of
the business action? Murderer goes scotfree??

I am remembered, prostitution is illegal in the UK, but
the taxman have legal grounds to collect taxes from the prostitutes.

hahaha...i'm not a lawyer either....i really wanna laugh when i read this post.... :D

kevin23
03-12-2005, 12:12 AM
For those with the excuse that they have no where to park, hence the double/triple parking required, I have a short story to tell -

I was in Taipan yesterday, mid morning. No where to park and I needed to get to the bank. Drove to the multi-story carpark, right up to the 3rd level (last covered level before the roof-top parking) and guess what, there were hundreds, if not thousands of empty parking lots. Not reserved (only level 1 & 2 are reserved).

For RM2, a short walk down the stairs and we avoid all these stupididty of double parking. There is no excuse regarding the lack of parking places.


errrr.....RM 2 juz to park for a while to go to the bank???? mannn,this is malaysia not UK and not many ppl are willing to do that..pay RM2 and still have to walk so far to the bank..imagine parking there and walking to maybank finance near victoria station.........isint that a bit silly??? most ppl would juz double park in front of the public bank or wateva bank and quickly rush in to get things done,if some1 honks juz get out n remove the vehicle lorrrr....the ones that are stupid are the ones who never come to remove their vehicles even when someone else who has legally parked their cars honk for a long2 time...thatz stupidity at its best....anyway,u were saying thousands of parking space??? i doubt it,most probably hundreds would be a better termm..the local council will never be able to provide enought parking bays for every1 so u guyz just have to be happy with what we have...anyway,malaysia boleh rite?????!!! :D

mlkok
03-12-2005, 12:15 AM
This might be a little off topic but if someone were to just park outside my house blocking my exit does it mean that I have to wait until the brainless returns even if it means having to wait for hours and not get whatever I have to do done?
Situations like these have to be adressed but seems like it's becoming a norm in our culture. Like a famouse quote by one of our minister "Bear with it"?

tupai
03-12-2005, 12:37 AM
I will back my vehicle into the idiot's car and reverse push it out of my way...my insurance company and lawyers will sort the mess out...personal matters can be sorted there and then. Then the cops can also sort out the mess after the general clean-up by the hospital or nearest clinic.

Yang Akan Back-up lato tupai

p/s methink, prostitution is not illegal in Uk. Soliciting is.

kwchang
03-12-2005, 12:59 AM
errrr.....RM 2 juz to park for a while to go to the bank????....pay RM2 and still have to walk so far to the bank.....isint that a bit silly??? most ppl would juz double park in front of the public bank or wateva bank and quickly rush in to get things done,if some1 honks juz get out n remove the vehicle lorrrr....
Thank you Kevin for that response.
That was precisely the point I was trying to make.
Which is simply that in the middle class community of Subang Jaya, one could not afford the RM2 fee, would rather contribute to the inconsiderate practices rather than to walk a bit to your shop/bank.

May I emphasis that again - too far to walk - !!! What is our community made of ? Soft kneed invalids who can't WALK to your destination? Thus being inconsiderate ?! Would it be nicer if MPSJ installed walkalators and escalators all over Taipan so that you may be encouraged to park a little bit further away?

Look, I thank the day I can WALK because I am able to live another day knowing I stil have my faculties. I thank God for giving me health to move on my own without assistance. And I pray that one day, I will have people in my community who would sacrifice a little bit with no fear of losing out to the other guy (= being NOT kiasu).

I don't mind being SILLY so long as I can contribute my part, a small part, to a better life in my own community.

kevin23
03-12-2005, 01:28 AM
Thank you Kevin for that response.
That was precisely the point I was trying to make.
Which is simply that in the middle class community of Subang Jaya, one could not afford the RM2 fee, would rather contribute to the inconsiderate practices rather than to walk a bit to your shop/bank.

May I emphasis that again - too far to walk - !!! What is our community made of ? Soft kneed invalids who can't WALK to your destination? Thus being inconsiderate ?! Would it be nicer if MPSJ installed walkalators and escalators all over Taipan so that you may be encouraged to park a little bit further away?

Look, I thank the day I can WALK because I am able to live another day knowing I stil have my faculties. I thank God for giving me health to move on my own without assistance. And I pray that one day, I will have people in my community who would sacrifice a little bit with no fear of losing out to the other guy (= being NOT kiasu).

I don't mind being SILLY so long as I can contribute my part, a small part, to a better life in my own community.

hmmm...i was juz saying we as malaysians will neva do that because its not our way of life..its not practical,its not that we are soft kneed invalids,its because we are just plain lazy...how many out there park at the multi level parking to go to mayban finance or mcdonalds or burger king just to make a quick purchase???pls put ur name down here now..... if one is going 2 public bank or somewhere near the parking,then its ok if he/she has RM 2 to spare to pop into the bank for 10 minutes and later walk all the way back to get their cars..its not because we want to park behind someone's elses car,we have no choice...if malaysia was not so hot,mayb more ppl would do that like in the UK,but u have to remember,this is Malaysia...itz not because we dont want to sacrifice,but just imagine if u had to walk arnd the whole taipan everyday because ur office is the other end of taipan ..by the time u get to office,u would have been half dead especially in malaysian weather..sometimes,we have to face the facts..this is life,sometimes we have to be inconsiderate to get on with life...well,thatz wat life is all about :cool:

kwchang
03-12-2005, 01:36 AM
sorry I diagree with you Kevin,
I do accept you have a right to your point of view.
BUT I hope to change that mindset. That was the reason for my post in this very thread that discusses the result of the difficulty in paying for parking and walking.

By the way, I did pay RM2, walked 2 flights of stairs and completed my business in less than a half hour. Did not make anyone's life difficult and was happy that I have the health and the strength to WALK !

kevin23
03-12-2005, 01:46 AM
sorry I diagree with you Kevin,
I do accept you have a right to your point of view.
BUT I hope to change that mindset. That was the reason for my post in this very thread that discusses the result of the difficulty in paying for parking and walking.

By the way, I did pay RM2, walked 2 flights of stairs and completed my business in less than a half hour. Did not make anyone's life difficult and was happy that I have the health and the strength to WALK !

its ok to disagree with me,so long as u like to continue with that,go ahead..nobody can stop u....so long as there is malaysian culture,there will be double parking,no doubt bout it!

orchipalar
03-12-2005, 01:55 AM
its ok to disagree with me,so long as u like to continue with that,go ahead..nobody can stop u....so long as there is malaysian culture,there will be double parking,no doubt bout it!Err...Kelvin:)...you are assuming that it could be a Malaysian culture for every Malaysians?....or majority?...or few?

cactuc1
03-12-2005, 02:17 AM
its ok to disagree with me,so long as u like to continue with that,go ahead..nobody can stop u....so long as there is malaysian culture,there will be double parking,no doubt bout it!

Not me, i am malaysian , and i don double park or leave the car park hazardly or cause inconvenience to others..I rather paid extra rm2 and walk rather to have my conscience that someone is cursing me or swearing me .

Shame to those people..I hope they will always step on all kinds feaces and bird will feace on their head and babies will cry whether they show their face. :mad:

mon
03-12-2005, 02:17 AM
To cut the whole story short, those who wants to double park, go ahead and double park triple park for all we care..at your own risk..Those who would pay for parking, like what I would do, good for us.

orchipalar
03-12-2005, 02:20 AM
Err...in the worst case scenario...Orchi would consider to park at NO parking zone at own risk of getting a summon stuck to the windscreen...with minimal obstruction to others...

Other than that...Orchi could go round n round until an empty parking lot is found...

Err...we are still talking about USJ 10 Taipan n USJ 9 Bizness centre right?

orchipalar
03-12-2005, 02:42 AM
hmmm...i was juz saying we as malaysians will neva do that because its not our way of life..its not practical,its not that we are soft kneed invalids,its because we are just plain lazy...how many out there park at the multi level parking to go to mayban finance or mcdonalds or burger king just to make a quick purchase???pls put ur name down here now..... if one is going 2 public bank or somewhere near the parking,then its ok if he/she has RM 2 to spare to pop into the bank for 10 minutes and later walk all the way back to get their cars..its not because we want to park behind someone's elses car,we have no choice...if malaysia was not so hot,mayb more ppl would do that like in the UK,but u have to remember,this is Malaysia...itz not because we dont want to sacrifice,but just imagine if u had to walk arnd the whole taipan everyday because ur office is the other end of taipan ..by the time u get to office,u would have been half dead especially in malaysian weather..sometimes,we have to face the facts..this is life,sometimes we have to be inconsiderate to get on with life...well,thatz wat life is all about :cool:Err...wow...now this has been something new to Orchi...should everybody be thinking like you...ahem...Taipan n Bizness centre...would have been TOTALLY impassible...

orchipalar
03-12-2005, 02:46 AM
Err...Kelvin:)...BTW...everybody knows Orchi drives an OLD piece a junk on the streets...IF Orchi has got 2 bucks to pay for carparks...ahem...them guys who could afford newer...or better vehicles...could NOT afford?...or they just don't want to pay...?

pcyeoh
03-12-2005, 11:02 AM
I had one unpleasant incident that changed my perception of double parking.

Two years ago, I double parked to run into Sin Kong to buy my favourite curry mee. Just as I was handed my curry mee, I heard repeated long blast of horning. I rushed to my car and sure enough standing there was quite a person who would have exploded if I had been a minute late. Sure enough, if anything can go wrong, it will and Murphy Law was happening to me. I have this phobia and in fact I did dream about it many times that I blocked somebody's car with my car keys locked inside my car. That day, I just did that. I was wishing that the ground would open up and swallow me whole - leg or head first didn't matter. That guy was mean and was throwing tantrum everywhere about my bad luck that had spread to him as well. In my eyes, he looked like Hulk Hogan. In that desparate situation I was even thinking of picking my lock myself. He then shouted that I should waste no time but smash my own window to bail myself out of a life and death situation. That fuming guy's van was loaded with some goods and it looked like he was going to close a million ringgit transaction. Luckily for me, a good samaritan offered to drive me home to get my spare key. So I made a deal with him. If I was not back in 20 minutes' time, he could go ahead and release his pent up anger on my car but I also specifically told him where to release his steam. Of course he would love to do that on my windscreen but I asked him to spare me the mercy and do it on any of my car window he so chose.

I was back but was 5 minutes too late and I was soooooo relieved to see my windows intact. I offered him my utmost sincere apology and guess what. He also apologised to me for the fear he has instilled in me that ran down my spine. He even said that this could happen to him as well. I didn't know that the 5 minutes that I was late must have opened up a new life philosophy in him. I too learned a bitter lesson - continue to double park but make f....k...g sure that I don't lock my keys inside!!

lilifjp
03-12-2005, 12:06 PM
Kevin23, my friends & i are also people who would rather pay RM2 & park properly when we are at Taipan. Yes, it has become a sick Malaysian culture for ppl to double park. If you have to do quick banking during lunch time, why not give a lift to your colleagues as well. At least someone sits in the car while u go to the banks & if your car is blocking someone else, your colleague can drive it out of the way. Be considerate. If you are alone, then no choice, pls pay & park properly ! BTW, we drive Proton Iswara & old Nissan Sunny cars (20 years old). We would rather pay parking than offend another person :cool:

tupai
03-12-2005, 12:57 PM
To the double Parker idiots out there, USJ9 or 10 or wherever...Simply pray and bless your god that the idiot you are blocking is not THE mad man :mad:

He is not as forgiving as PC's mistaken Hulk Hogan...He is Attila The Hun's fourth 30times removed-cousin and He gives middlefinger salute to inconsiderate road users, eat 'em for breakfast and then sue them... After collecting all the markers to have them locked up as well. He has lotsa loots and that what having lotsa money can do...so spend your rm2.00 in parking fee and sleep peacefully, in your own comfy bed, night after night.

Yang Amat Bagi warning lato tupai, who's NOT related to Attila at all :D

fedup
03-12-2005, 01:13 PM
Sometimes the situation calls for double parking as the stall holders operating from the restaurants & coffee shops will place chairs in the empty lots to deprive all others of the parking space. Two wrongs don't make one right but then again this is M'sia, we pay good money to upkeep the MPSJ but their enforcers are "NEVER" AROUND WHEN WE NEED THEM.It is all about attitude , try that in Aussie land & you can be assured that the policeman will give you a ticket eventhough you try to move out when he approaches. The fact remains that you have commited an offence & their citizens will pay the summon or "else". You can't settle by "minum" as they slap you with another summon if you try to.Sad sad sad but in Bolehland people don't take it that way & it's always the other persons fault except our own. Long live KETUANAN & long live Boleh :eek: :p :p

vsat
03-12-2005, 02:08 PM
Kevin 23,

If I can't find parking, I would park at the multi storey car park and WALK to
Soo Kee's Son Beef Noodle sometimes.
Other times, I would park at HSBC and walk to Bank Bumipitra Commerce.

Are you handicapped? Or are you just too lazy too walk?
How old are you? If you're 65 and above, it's ok but if you're younger than that and have no disabilities, I don't think you should consider yourself a man.
And you complain about hot sun ??? Who are you? Queen Elizabeth's offspring ?
Or Crown Pince Sinahouk's son?
If you're them, I'd understand but you're not. You're just like all of us.
So, don't condone double parking if you're a lazy bum.

kevin23
03-12-2005, 05:10 PM
alright,goodluck to all u law abiding citizens,may god help u!

kevin23
03-12-2005, 05:16 PM
Err...Kelvin:)...BTW...everybody knows Orchi drives an OLD piece a junk on the streets...IF Orchi has got 2 bucks to pay for carparks...ahem...them guys who could afford newer...or better vehicles...could NOT afford?...or they just don't want to pay...?

ur absolutely right!! u see all the mercedes,bmws arnd taipan??? u knoe y they double park? is it because they want to offend some one else? is it because they dont have RM 2 for parking?? its because they dont want to PAY Rm 2 just to pick up their children from tuition! anyway,no point arguing....good for the admin for bringing up this topic .good discussion..but i have to admit the majority of malaysians double park..absolutely no doubt bout it.... :D

orchipalar
03-12-2005, 07:22 PM
ur absolutely right!! u see all the mercedes,bmws arnd taipan??? u knoe y they double park? is it because they want to offend some one else? is it because they dont have RM 2 for parking?? its because they dont want to PAY Rm 2 just to pick up their children from tuition! anyway,no point arguing....good for the admin for bringing up this topic .good discussion..but i have to admit the majority of malaysians double park..absolutely no doubt bout it.... :DErr...Kelvin:)...not really...the MB n BMW owners...are by far FEWER than many other brands like PROTON etc...n most likely they got personal drivers behind the wheels stoping n waiting for their bosses...not double parking n leaving the scene of the crime...like SOME freaking owner/drivers that would leave the vehicles double parked n unattended...:rolleyes:

IF like you...say that the majority of malaysians would double park...then you would see that MANY of the parking lots would be EMPTY...n all those vehicles would be double parked n left unattended in the middle of the freaking roads liao...

So Orchi hopes you are DEFINITELY NOT blind to see...that the MAJORITY of vehicles in n around Taipan n Bizness centre...are parked at the parking lots...n only some inconsiderate ones would double park n leave their vehicles UNATTENDED...whilst some would stop outside of the parking lots...n wait...

kevin23
03-12-2005, 07:49 PM
Kevin 23,

If I can't find parking, I would park at the multi storey car park and WALK to
Soo Kee's Son Beef Noodle sometimes.
Other times, I would park at HSBC and walk to Bank Bumipitra Commerce.

Are you handicapped? Or are you just too lazy too walk?
How old are you? If you're 65 and above, it's ok but if you're younger than that and have no disabilities, I don't think you should consider yourself a man.
And you complain about hot sun ??? Who are you? Queen Elizabeth's offspring ?
Or Crown Pince Sinahouk's son?
If you're them, I'd understand but you're not. You're just like all of us.
So, don't condone double parking if you're a lazy bum.

i think u misunderstood me lah,if u wan to park at the multi storey parking to have lunch which would take more than 30 minutes....obviously that would b great!! but imagine parking at the multi storey parking just to redraw money in the atm..imagine parking there to grab some documents in ur office which is located miles away and walk all the way back,its absolutely ridiculous ...and yes,sometimes ppl have skin problems which prevents them from walking under the simmering hot sun ...we are not talking about not paying the RM2...even when u park legally right in front of ur office (i m not talking bout the multi level parking,i mean the outdoor ones) u have to pay for the parking right??i m not saying double parking is good ,but all of u have to accept it as a malaysian norm because there isnt going to be enough parking for everyone !

kevin23
03-12-2005, 07:56 PM
Err...Kelvin:)...not really...the MB n BMW owners...are by far FEWER than many other brands like PROTON etc...n most likely they got personal drivers behind the wheels stoping n waiting for their bosses...not double parking n leaving the scene of the crime...like SOME freaking owner/drivers that would leave the vehicles double parked n unattended...:rolleyes:

IF like you...say that the majority of malaysians would double park...then you would see that MANY of the parking lots would be EMPTY...n all those vehicles would be double parked n left unattended in the middle of the freaking roads liao...

So Orchi hopes you are DEFINITELY NOT blind to see...that the MAJORITY of vehicles in n around Taipan n Bizness centre...are parked at the parking lots...n only some inconsiderate ones would double park n leave their vehicles UNATTENDED...whilst some would stop outside of the parking lots...n wait...

i think u also misunderstood me,i m not talking about those who legally park at the outdoor parking,i m talking bout the ppl who park in the multi level parking,wateva the damn name is.Of course the majority are parked at the parking lots,if not,taipan will be full of empty parking lots...u think most of the BMW n merc owners got drivers??!!i dont think so ..i patronise taipan regularly and see many bmw ,merc left unattended right in front of maybank even though the multi level parking is just a metres away...common let me knock some common sense into u..do u think if there were parking space would ppl double park??!! come on think about it!!!! the majority of malaysians would definetely double park if they cant find parking spaces right?

tupai
03-12-2005, 08:03 PM
Basically my fiend codename The Madman, advised me to relay his message:

" to each his/her own. JUST DON'T U DARE PARK & BLOCK ME!"[SIZE=6]

Yang Ada Berita utk anda lato tupai

kevin23
03-12-2005, 08:58 PM
lets see how mad he goes when the police are arnd... :D

orchipalar
03-12-2005, 09:04 PM
Err...tsk tsk tsk...Kelvin:)...you are again confused n probably been misinformed...it's the other way around...

The police would NOT wanna mess with our tree dwelling n fast motoring Yang Amat Berpangkat Tinggi Tupai...hic!

sly
03-12-2005, 10:18 PM
lets see how mad he goes when the police are arnd... :D

haha...this is really a joke...ppl will only hope police to be around when they're gonna get some shiit beating from a hooligan....but will happily wish that police will not be around when they're making illegal stuff like double park and etc....this is really a joke...come'on kevin, dont make me laugh.... :D ur a real joker....

kwchang
03-12-2005, 11:36 PM
It looks like Kevin is a masochist - getting slammed and asking for more !

However, I give him credit for being truthful.
He has elaborated a very valid point - that most people would feel like a fool if they were to pay for parking when they can just hop in and out of a shop. So convenient and so quick. No need to pay sommore. Also feel on top of the world for beating the system. Look at all the silly fools paying for parking AND walking as well...tsk tsk tsk.

My hope is one day, the majority will park at the proper places, walk and queue for their turns. Then we will have the silly fools being all the lazy people who prefer to double park.

You see, in the real world, the FOOLs are the minority.
So let us make civic conciousness a majority feature in our community.

kevin23
03-12-2005, 11:44 PM
haha...this is really a joke...ppl will only hope police to be around when they're gonna get some shiit beating from a hooligan....but will happily wish that police will not be around when they're making illegal stuff like double park and etc....this is really a joke...come'on kevin, dont make me laugh.... :D ur a real joker....

haha,will see bout that

kevin23
03-12-2005, 11:47 PM
It looks like Kevin is a masochist - getting slammed and asking for more !

However, I give him credit for being truthful.
He has elaborated a very valid point - that most people would feel like a fool if they were to pay for parking when they can just hop in and out of a shop. So convenient and so quick. No need to pay sommore. Also feel on top of the world for beating the system. Look at all the silly fools paying for parking AND walking as well...tsk tsk tsk.

My hope is one day, the majority will park at the proper places, walk and queue for their turns. Then we will have the silly fools being all the lazy people who prefer to double park.

You see, in the real world, the FOOLs are the minority.
So let us make civic conciousness a majority feature in our community.

u dont have to be so sarcastic,i didnt say that paying was so difficult...i was talking bout paying in the multilevel parking which was brought up by u admin!

mlkok
03-12-2005, 11:55 PM
Just wondering if anyone thought about our Bolehland developers and those in power that approves and builds such developments where there's a real shortage of parking space. Just picture a three storey shop lot with just two parking bays. And this is fast becoming a norm everywhere.

kwchang
04-12-2005, 12:06 AM
mlkok,
not true my friend, take Taipan for example, there is this multi-story carpark right in the middle of the shoplot complex. Ample parking becoz no one wants to drive in.

When in the State cinema area in PJ, I park at the multi-story carpark near the swimming pool (and Shah's Motel) and I WALK across the pedestrian crossing to do whatever needs to be done there. If it is raining and I don't like getting wet, I'd park at the PKNS building when I have to settle Celcom problems (Celcom located in that building).

vsat
05-12-2005, 09:36 AM
Kevin23,

Yes, even just to withdraw money which takes a measly 1 minute procedure, I would park in a proper place even if I have to walk 10 minutes to got to the bank and undergo that 1 minute wihdrawing procedure.

You are pampered and spoilt and worst of all, lazy. You sound like a young person and yet, projecting such laziness at your age.
So, if after eating McDonald's, majority of the people just leave their tray on the table , you'd do it because it's a majority thing.
So, if majority of the people are not placing the trolleys back after putting their groceries in the back of their trunk, you would just leave it at the side?

Bum

girl2
05-12-2005, 09:46 AM
You see, in the real world, the FOOLs are the minority.
So let us make civic conciousness a majority feature in our community.

Only a handful of fools and Kevin is one of them. Realise this Kevin and start making the right decisions. By giving appropriate statements for a start? No generalising, that majority of us could be as foolish as you.

kevin23
05-12-2005, 10:13 PM
Kevin23,

Yes, even just to withdraw money which takes a measly 1 minute procedure, I would park in a proper place even if I have to walk 10 minutes to got to the bank and undergo that 1 minute wihdrawing procedure.

You are pampered and spoilt and worst of all, lazy. You sound like a young person and yet, projecting such laziness at your age.
So, if after eating McDonald's, majority of the people just leave their tray on the table , you'd do it because it's a majority thing.
So, if majority of the people are not placing the trolleys back after putting their groceries in the back of their trunk, you would just leave it at the side?

Bum

if i m lazy,itz non of ur business! IMHO,MYOB!!!

kevin23
05-12-2005, 10:15 PM
Only a handful of fools and Kevin is one of them. Realise this Kevin and start making the right decisions. By giving appropriate statements for a start? No generalising, that majority of us could be as foolish as you.

alright i m a fool,so what u going to do about it? dont simply call ppl fools pls...didnt ur parents teach u manners?

kevin23
05-12-2005, 10:24 PM
juz doubled park in front of mcdonalds today to get something to eat quickly! imagine parking in the multilevel parking to do dat! mann,only fools would do it! someone honked,so i just ran out n reversed my car! simple as that! for all the fools who claim to walk long distances,god bless u...mayb u can represent selangor in the next SUKMA for long distance walking if they ever have it!

mlkok
05-12-2005, 10:49 PM
My, my, seems like this discussion is gettin heated up. IMHO, all parties involved has their rights and wrongs.

1) The developer tries to build as many buildings as possible in a limited area to maximize their profit. But this comes with the cost of a lack of parking spaces and thus creating traffic congestion when we try to be lazy and park as close as possible.

2) The people prefer to park as close as possible so that they don't have to walk. It's an indifferent attitude that is being passed on to the next generation. Bravo.

3) Safety in Taipan is an issue. With rampant snatch thefts most feels that it's not safe to park so far and walk.

4) Besides, RM2 a pop when parking at the covered car park, that's a real world of pain if one has to get in and out of there several times a day. Used to be much cheaper but then inflation kicks in :D

Oh well, that's my 2 sen worth. Right or wrong, everyone involved shud take some action but that's easier said than done.

girl2
06-12-2005, 12:21 AM
alright i m a fool,so what u going to do about it? dont simply call ppl fools pls...didnt ur parents teach u manners?

A self-proclaimed fool!! What more can we ask for. Congratulations!!

And please, don't talk to me about manners. Double-parking is already damn wrong, however you try to justify yourself. Kevin, you are a confirmed fool. Go ask your mama.

kevin23
06-12-2005, 12:48 AM
A self-proclaimed fool!! What more can we ask for. Congratulations!!

And please, don't talk to me about manners. Double-parking is already damn wrong, however you try to justify yourself. Kevin, you are a confirmed fool. Go ask your mama.

see see,ur calling someone a fool again! ur parents really didnt teach u enough rite??or are ur parents still here? no wonder u keep on calling ppl fools...u just want to vent ur anger rite? go and have some anger management lahh.are u still single? go get a bf lah or a husband lahh..get a life lahhh!..dont waste my timelah! wonder where the hell are u right now girl2? btw,r u really a girl?if u are,u better not argue with me cuz u will never win! i m not trying 2 be arrogant but sometimes the time calls for it,then too bad! shame on you for posting ur views on this forum,just shows the attitude of some malaysians...typical!

girl2
06-12-2005, 01:00 AM
Foolish Kevin, I'm going to bed soon. No need for so much agitation. Yawn........

Just go do the first thing I suggested, go ask your mama!

Thereafter, we can continue our talk.

p/s: Admin, apologies for all these small talks, just talking to a small...nevermind. If I find the next reply from Kevin not satisfactory, I would not answer. Thank you.

kevin23
06-12-2005, 01:05 AM
Foolish Kevin, I'm going to bed soon. No need for so much agitation. Yawn........

Just go do the first thing I suggested, go ask your mama!

Thereafter, we can continue our talk.

STFU!! MYOB!!! GBU!! yes,go to bed!obtw,i asked my mama,she said u r a B****.....gluck to ur future husband or bf for getting a B**** like u.PERIOD!

kevin23
06-12-2005, 01:08 AM
o btw,if u are married...u betta ask ur husband whether u r a B****...thankz in advance! betta sleep...later u call more ppl fools!

sorry lah admin,but sometimes irritating ppl like HER/HIM should be answered as rudely as possible!

mlm
06-12-2005, 01:20 AM
STFU!! MYOB!!! GBU!! yes,go to bed!obtw,i asked my mama,she said u r a B****.....gluck to ur future husband or bf for getting a B**** like u.PERIOD!


:D Aisey boy, you just dug your own grave!!!!! :D :eek: I see you have potential, to become the latest banana plantation farmer!! :D

kwchang
06-12-2005, 01:51 AM
Girl2 get a banana for calling Kevin a fool
- violation of Rule 2a

Kevin gets a banana for calling girl2 names and argueing
- violation of Rule 2a, 2b, 2d

vsat is just touching the line, so avoid any violations please

If any of them continues, I will impose a ban.

adriene
06-12-2005, 08:15 PM
and so we return to our regular programming....

personally, i think its really considerate of those who will only ever park in a legit spot - rm2, long walk notwithstanding - instead of double parking.

a little anecdote. did you guys know that in bangkok, double parking is common and even accepted and tolerated? i was really surprised when i was visiting Chulalongkorn University. There were many cars double parking in their car park. Short of parking space you see. The car owners who double park leave their handbrake loose so that other people can push their car out of the way if necessary!

I saw it happening at Chula and at a few other places in Bangkok. People pushing cars. And strangers helping each other to push the cars in the right direction! I asked my Thai friend, aren't people afraid that their cars might get dented by the strangers pushing? He said, "it's ok, it's normal". I admire the tolerance of the Thais. Everything is sebai sebai... Blissful :o

I think it would be great for our neighbourhood if we too be so tolerant and find solutions to our common problems together rather than passing judgment and trying to punish/condemning each other into submission to what we think is right.

kevin23
06-12-2005, 08:20 PM
and so we return to our regular programming....

personally, i think its really considerate of those who will only ever park in a legit spot - rm2, long walk notwithstanding - instead of double parking.

a little anecdote. did you guys know that in bangkok, double parking is common and even accepted and tolerated? i was really surprised when i was visiting Chulalongkorn University. There were many cars double parking in their car park. Short of parking space you see. The car owners who double park leave their handbrake loose so that other people can push their car out of the way if necessary!

I saw it happening at Chula and at a few other places in Bangkok. People pushing cars. And strangers helping each other to push the cars in the right direction! I asked my Thai friend, aren't people afraid that their cars might get dented by the strangers pushing? He said, "it's ok, it's normal". I admire the tolerance of the Thais. Everything is sebai sebai... Blissful :o

I think it would be great for our neighbourhood if we too be so tolerant and find solutions to our common problems together rather than passing judgment and trying to punish/condemning each other into submission to what we think is right.


finally someone who can talk nicely! thankz for bringing the life back into this thread!but i think even if u release handbrake in auto car,u wont be able to push it...if manual then ok lah! btw,today got mpsj mari saman in taipan!

lvintan1
06-12-2005, 09:07 PM
Well I have done it b4 but is in a car park and i am in a rush. No way the person will come out after ten min. Next time who ever want to double park kindly write a note with you contact no and put it on the dashboard.

tupai
06-12-2005, 09:23 PM
in seoul, where 99.99% of cars are auto, they also double park and block each other, but only in parking lot.

While there, & learning from 'em, I also put the gear in neutral and that way my car can be rolled front & back and even bumper2bumper roll..no joke.

Scratched bumpers are no big deal there..unlike in bolehland, where people turn brute (Attila's the Hun's 3rd cousin) over a miniscule mozzie scratch :o

yang amat bumper2bumper lato tupai

p/s it cannot work in taipan cos we have plenty RM2.00 parking bays 50meters away from where u wanna go...U dare block the Madman, he will push yr car into the stinky drain:eek: and maybe me too for trying to stop him from pushing you into the same stinky drain :eek:

adriene
06-12-2005, 09:37 PM
i know of a super conscientious guy.

he always looks for a legit parking spot.
he never double parks.
he only does illegal parking for a few minutes if it is non-obstructive and he has no choice.

if he is in a car park, like say 1 utama or Sunway Pyramid, and there's someone in front of him about to vacate a spot and he has a few cars behind him, he will actually let go that spot because he doesn't want to have to make the cars behind him wait! even though it's just a few minutes. and even though it could be ages before he comes across another available legal spot.

personally, i don't think the last one is necessary but nevertheless i tabik the fellow.

GreenBug
06-12-2005, 09:38 PM
Tupai... perhaps we all love our cars too much and we cannot have any scratches on them thus those parking on "N" gear without the handbrake on is not practical. Especially so too, the roads are not as flat as in Seoul, the car can move - by itself and before you know it, it will roll right smack into the Char Kuey Teow stall and splash hot boiling oil onto two customers sitting side by side (but don't know each other) ie. Kevin23 (Banana) and girlz (Banana too.... :D

girl2
06-12-2005, 10:06 PM
Tupai... perhaps we all love our cars too much and we cannot have any scratches on them thus those parking on "N" gear without the handbrake on is not practical. Especially so too, the roads are not as flat as in Seoul, the car can move - by itself and before you know it, it will roll right smack into the Char Kuey Teow stall and splash hot boiling oil onto two customers sitting side by side (but don't know each other) ie. Kevin23 (Banana) and girlz (Banana too.... :D

:D Funny oh yeah? But I likey. :eek: :p

GreenBug
06-12-2005, 10:11 PM
:D Funny oh yeah? But I likey. :eek: :pGood.... because life is too short to be getting worked up over trivialities. Lets all be argumentative but end the day happy, cheerful, no stress and a long, cool, dane (hic!) to finish the night..... :D

girl2
06-12-2005, 10:45 PM
Good.... because life is too short to be getting worked up over trivialities. Lets all be argumentative but end the day happy, cheerful, no stress and a long, cool, dane (hic!) to finish the night..... :D

Thank you Greenbug (hic!)?? for making me smile :) Wow, this banana is really heavy but will carry it somehow..till dear Chang sees me fit to let me loose again.. :p

Cheers everyone..to Kevin23 too ;)

hic! hic! (so contagious)

kevin23
06-12-2005, 11:07 PM
i know of a super conscientious guy.

he always looks for a legit parking spot.
he never double parks.
he only does illegal parking for a few minutes if it is non-obstructive and he has no choice.

if he is in a car park, like say 1 utama or Sunway Pyramid, and there's someone in front of him about to vacate a spot and he has a few cars behind him, he will actually let go that spot because he doesn't want to have to make the cars behind him wait! even though it's just a few minutes. and even though it could be ages before he comes across another available legal spot.

personally, i don't think the last one is necessary but nevertheless i tabik the fellow.


haha,mayb hez being like tat cuz hez with his dear wife and kids,or mayb gf if hez not married.dont want to show that he is a inconsiderate person...just mayb! =)

LXDGRT
06-12-2005, 11:18 PM
Well I have done it b4 but is in a car park and i am in a rush. No way the person will come out after ten min. Next time who ever want to double park kindly write a note with you contact no and put it on the dashboard.

This is something that I have been practising for quite a while already.

I have a piece of paper where it is written: "This is an emergency. If you need me to move my car, please call XXX-XXXXXXX" placed inside my car. When I have a situation where I need to double park (e.g. SS15 banker's row, where parking is madness with no parking complex in sight) for reasons like because I have to take my child to her regular doctor when she is ill, out come that piece of paper. I place it on my windscreen and in I go to see the doctor.

When I am back into the car, I take the paper out, pop it back into the glove compartment to be re-used in similar situations.

Does that make more sense? Maybe Kevin might want to use this idea. Can prevent a lot of animosity.

P.S. So for nobody has called me to move my car yet anyway. Anyway, if I do get a call, it's a good sign. I can then get that person's parking lot when he/she leaves without having to look for one far, far away.

kevin23
06-12-2005, 11:27 PM
This is something that I have been practising for quite a while already.

I have a piece of paper where it is written: "This is an emergency. If you need me to move my car, please call XXX-XXXXXXX" placed inside my car. When I have a situation where I need to double park (e.g. SS15 banker's row, where parking is madness with no parking complex in sight) for reasons like because I have to take my child to her regular doctor when she is ill, out come that piece of paper. I place it on my windscreen and in I go to see the doctor.

When I am back into the car, I take the paper out, pop it back into the glove compartment to be re-used in similar situations.

Does that make more sense? Maybe Kevin might want to use this idea. Can prevent a lot of animosity.

P.S. So for nobody has called me to move my car yet anyway. Anyway, if I do get a call, it's a good sign. I can then get that person's parking lot when he/she leaves without having to look for one far, far away.

yeah,good idea..but how many ppl would actually call the number? anyway,y shud they call u...waste their credit,juz to remove the car??unless they really emergency lah...juz my 2 cents...correct me if i m wrong...thankz!

tan_r
06-12-2005, 11:30 PM
anyway,y shud they call u...waste their credit,juz to remove the car??
Sorry to butt in like this but are you on dope or what?

kevin23
06-12-2005, 11:33 PM
Sorry to butt in like this but are you on dope or what?

nope and mayb i will do like wat she said..put my number on the dashboard..
but normally ppl honk,i straight come out to remove car liao lorr

LXDGRT
06-12-2005, 11:41 PM
nope and mayb i will do like wat she said..put my number on the dashboard..
but normally ppl honk,i straight come out to remove car liao lorr

Aiyah....what if you are inside the doctor's room or meeting the bank manager in his room where you cannot hear the honking?

And then again, people will normally honk first but if no response after a while, at least they have the option of calling you. Then people won't get so angry lor.

sly
06-12-2005, 11:42 PM
i think we should remember this forum is a community forum....it's for us to voice out and look for solutions to each problems... but it seems that there's a number of ppl that use this forum like a chat forum....talk unnecessary crap...

double parking is a problem in taipan subang...we should be thinking of ways to solve this problems....but i realised there's some ppl that talk as if it's alright to break the law....it's crap to see ppl like this is so near us and living in the same neighbourhood........from what i see it strays away from the main purpose of this forum....

eg: (dont get offended, think like a rational person), what if when u had a emergency like u have someone sick and dying in the car but there's a car double park behind u?

kevin23
06-12-2005, 11:43 PM
Aiyah....what if you are inside the doctor's room or meeting the bank manager in his room where you cannot hear the honking?

And then again, people will normally honk first but if no response after a while, at least they have the option of calling you. Then people won't get so angry lor.


yeapzz,good one..thankz for the recommendation..i would certainly do it next time..!

kevin23
06-12-2005, 11:54 PM
i think we should remember this forum is a community forum....it's for us to voice out and look for solutions to each problems... but it seems that there's a number of ppl that use this forum like a chat forum....talk unnecessary crap...

double parking is a problem in taipan subang...we should be thinking of ways to solve this problems....but i realised there's some ppl that talk as if it's alright to break the law....it's crap to see ppl like this is so near us and living in the same neighbourhood........from what i see it strays away from the main purpose of this forum....

eg: (dont get offended, think like a rational person), what if when u had a emergency like u have someone sick and dying in the car but there's a car double park behind u?

I m no supporter of double parking,but therez no way to totally get rid of double parking in taipan!how many ppl go to taipan everyday?? how many parking bays do they have? the parking bays are like 1% of the ppl who go to taipan everyday...its like trying to get rid of illegal VCDs,just look how far they have gone! i still see them selling vcd everywhere...juz open ur eyes and c for urself the amount of cars double parking!o btw,dont worry u can mention my name,u wont get a banana!

adriene
07-12-2005, 12:26 AM
haha,mayb hez being like tat cuz hez with his dear wife and kids,or mayb gf if hez not married.dont want to show that he is a inconsiderate person...just mayb! =)


no, i know for certain this guy is genuine case and that it is all on his own accord. not pressured by anyone :D

vsat
07-12-2005, 10:36 AM
As for writing the contact number on the dash board, it is the dumbest thing. I've seen it before and I look away with disgust.
I have no patience for law breakers. Contact number or not. I will honk only for a minute and god knows what i'll do.

And what's this about no parking space in Taipan. If you don't want to pay the multi storey parking, then there's the space underneath the trees opposite the road from Victoria Station. And if that's full, the Shell and Petronas station further up next to Tanjong.
Yes, I have parked there and walked because it's just the right and civilized thing to do. If my parents are with me, I'd drop them off at the desgnated restaurant in Taipan and park legally even I have to walk 10 minutes again to reach them. Then when dinner's over, I walk back 10 minutes , and pick them up.

How's that? Even chimps can be rational about this. We know Taipan's parking space is limited, doesn't mean we have to break the law.
Sometimes, I feel ashamed that some of you guys think the way you do...contact number on the dashboard, upon hearing the honk then only run outside, etc.

My suggestion is PARK LEGALLY, WALK AND DON'T INCONVINIENT OTHERS if there's no parking space even to buy one loaf of bread at the bakery.
EVEN WHEN IT RAINS.
EVEN WHEN IT'S HOT
EVEN TAPAU YOUR CRUMMY WAN TAN MEE OR YOUR AYAM KAMPUNG IN REST HASSAN
EVEN WITHDRAWING RM100 AT THE ATM
EVEN BUYING MAGNUM 4D AND TOTO

BUMS

kevin23
07-12-2005, 10:48 AM
And if that's full, the Shell and Petronas station further up next to Tanjong.
Yes, I have parked there and walked because it's just the right and civilized thing to do. If my parents are with me, I'd drop them off at the desgnated restaurant in Taipan and park legally even I have to walk 10 minutes again to reach them. Then when dinner's over, I walk back 10 minutes , and pick them up.



u sure u parked at shell n petronas? sure anot? dont lie lah...

LXDGRT
07-12-2005, 10:53 AM
As for writing the contact number on the dash board, it is the dumbest thing. I've seen it before and I look away with disgust.
I have no patience for law breakers. Contact number or not. I will honk only for a minute and god knows what i'll do.

Try finding a parking place along banker's row in SS15 during peak hours and see if you can do what your preach, especially when you are banking at Public Bank or Maybank; Or when your child is running a very high fever and every second counts and you are the ONLY ONE who is around to send her to the doctor.

kevin23
07-12-2005, 11:02 AM
Try finding a parking place along banker's row in SS15 during peak hours and see if you can do what your preach, especially when you are banking at Public Bank or Maybank; Or when your child is running a very high fever and every second counts and you are the ONLY ONE who is around to send her to the doctor.

yeah,most probably he would drop his daughter at the clinic at ss15,park at SJMC which is JUST 15 minutes walk from the clinic,walk to the clinic,get his daughter to see the doc,walk with her for 15 minutes to get the car!! great idea!

orchipalar
07-12-2005, 11:18 AM
Err...the whole freaking issue here is why...some hypocrites wanna bother or inconvenient others...just because they feel they can do whatever they like...or lika others owe them a freaking favor in their forkup life...or something like that...instead of having to endure some inconvenience to find a suitable spot to park their freaking vehicles to do whatever freaking bizness that may have...:mad::rolleyes:

Ahem...these freaking people lack manners...n need to be taught lessons...that they won't always get away from shiits that they themselves expect n caused others to bear...:mad:

Err...having said that...don't be coming in here crying baby!...or cry bluddy murder!...should these idiots find their freaking windscreen cracked or doors dented...or their face bashed in...which had resulted from their own freaking wrong doings in the very first freaking place...:rolleyes:

Ahem...IF these hypocrites are persistently being stubborn n asking for it???...well...sooner or later...they gonna be getting it...period:rolleyes:

kevin23
07-12-2005, 11:22 AM
Err...the whole freaking issue here is why...some hypocrites wanna bother or inconvenient others...just because they feel they can do whatever they like...or lika others owe them a freaking favor in their forkup life...or something like that...instead of having to endure some inconvenience to find a suitable spot to part their freaking vehicles to do whatever freaking bizness that may have...:mad::rolleyes:

Ahem...these freaking people lack manners...n need to be taught lessons...that they won't always get away from shiits that they themselves expect n caused others to bear...:mad:

Err...having said that...don't be coming in here crying baby!...or cry bluddy murder!...should these idiots find their freaking windscreen cracked or doors dented...or their face bashed in...which had resulted from their own freaking wrong doings in the very first freaking place...:rolleyes:

Ahem...IF these hypocrites are persistently being stubborn n asking for it???...well...sooner or later...they gonna be getting it...period:rolleyes:


try lah,c u in court!

vsat
07-12-2005, 11:33 AM
First of all, I will anticipate when my child is sick. It won't be until the last minute that I realize that my child is so severely sick. When my child has a mild fever, I'll take her to the doctor already. With me, she won't have a high fever coz I'll take necessary precautions to ensure she doesn't ever have a fever. Sounds too good to be true? Believe it. So, I won't be in the situation that you two bums think I'll be in.

Now, just to entertain your situation. My child has a high fever and I'm the only one around. Ok.
Let's just say, no parking and people like Kevin23 and LXDGRT has double parked in front of the clinic. I'd stop in front or a few cars away from the clinic, take my child out and tell the nurse her particulars and what symptoms is he/she projecting quickly , tell the nurse to keep her company while I'll be back in 10 minutes. All this within 2 minutes.
The nurse would then accompany my child, and in a clinic already and will do whatever necessary she deems fit.

Let's just say something goes wrong while I was away parking legally,
she's in the clinic and in the hands of medical professionals. Nurses and doctors have responsibilities. They know what to do.

And when she's treated and given her medicines....you know the rest.


I'll be subjected with the "what ifs" from the both of you but I've got it all covered.

What if your child is only a couple of months old?
What if the nurses and doctors are incompetent?
etc......

I've got it all covered.....

Conclusion is , you guys don't solve problems and don't plan ahead and don't anticipate. And not mention , you guys are bums as well.

tan_r
07-12-2005, 11:39 AM
Try finding a parking place along banker's row in SS15 during peak hours and see if you can do what your preach, especially when you are banking at Public Bank or Maybank;
How about trying to look for a space at the RM2 car park and not contribute to the congestion along that road. Why must we follow the little people who think only of themselves??


Or when your child is running a very high fever and every second counts and you are the ONLY ONE who is around to send her to the doctor.
How about bring some sense to this discussion and not try to skew it? Tell me, of all the double parkers around, how many are parked in front of clinics attending to emergencies? How many are consulting the doctor in McD or Public Bank or HSBC Bank? How many? And if it has to come to such an eventuality of an emergency, there are still compasionate people around.

orchipalar
07-12-2005, 11:55 AM
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=100293&postcount=67


Originally quoted by Kelvin23: STFU!! MYOB!!! GBU!! yes,go to bed!obtw,i asked my mama,she said u r a B****.....gluck to ur future husband or bf for getting a B**** like u.PERIOD!Err...Folks:)...Orchi feels there is no need for Orchi to stoop low to further discuss this issue...as long as we got those that are obviously inconsiderate n disrespectful people in our midst...n with somebody like that(already being cautioned n sent to the freaking banana plantation for rehab by the Admin?)...still throwing tantrums all over this thread...repeatedly?

Ahem...all our efforts would end up in the sewere... :rolleyes:

LXDGRT
07-12-2005, 12:23 PM
How about trying to look for a space at the RM2 car park and not contribute to the congestion along that road. Why must we follow the little people who think only of themselves??


How about bring some sense to this discussion and not try to skew it? Tell me, of all the double parkers around, how many are parked in front of clinics attending to emergencies? How many are consulting the doctor in McD or Public Bank or HSBC Bank? How many? And if it has to come to such an eventuality of an emergency, there are still compasionate people around.

Fren, there is no RM2.00 parking in SS15 lah.

What I am trying to say is that there are possiblities that you could end up in a tight situation and there goes all your preaching about being law abiding cannot apply. I can very well bet that even the most law-abiding citizen will sometimes have to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea. Tell me who has been law-abiding all his/her life? So the next best thing is to understand the consequences and take steps to minimize the damage.

Why do these forums have to end up with lotsa heated personal remarks when people are entitled to their points of view? It is like as though 1 little infraction is not allowed.

P.S. A religious minister who is against all sins in this world once explained he has no choice but to put a "bribe" inside his passport as unofficial "processing fee" when he was leaving a country in Africa. He just have no choice. His passport will be processed last if that "bribe" is not there and he will miss his flight and maybe wait many days later for the next flight. He did pray but sometimes, God let things be. God does not always intervene just because you want him to.

Now, don't let this example become the start of another argument - I am just illustrating a point about man-made laws.

orchipalar
07-12-2005, 12:29 PM
Originally quoted by Alex: P.S. A religious minister who is against all sins in this world once explained he has no choice but to put a "bribe" inside his passport as unofficial "processing fee" when he was leaving a country in Africa. He just have no choice. His passport will be processed last if that "bribe" is not there and he will miss his flight and maybe wait many days later for the next flight. He did pray but sometimes, God let things be. God does not always intervene just because you want him to.

Now, don't let this example become the start of another argument - I am just illustrating a point about man-made laws.
Err...well Alex:)...even you failed see the difference in your own example...from the moral of the story there...???

The preacher or minister...was on a faithful mission...was your bizness with the bank also relates to one? :confused:

kevin23
07-12-2005, 12:37 PM
Err...well Alex:)...even you failed see the difference in your own example...from the moral of the story there...???

The preacher or minister...was on a faithful mission...was your bizness with the bank also relates to one? :confused:

orchi u talk as though u are some kinda good guy,u dare bet with me that u neva double park in ur entire forkedup life???!! u dare ??! dont juz talk,action counts! dont be like some minister lah pls!!! cannot tahan this attitude,talk talktalk,but when come to real thing....all cannot do!

fatslab
07-12-2005, 12:44 PM
tan r, well said.

I noticed most congestions occur in areas such as tuition centres, music schools, banks and ...........

How about looking from this perspective, double parkers, you are setting an example to your children and therefore this will pass on to the next generation to come! Ultimately, this is illegal and why should we allow our children to learn from us.

kevin23
07-12-2005, 12:44 PM
How about trying to look for a space at the RM2 car park and not contribute to the congestion along that road. Why must we follow the little people who think only of themselves??


How about bring some sense to this discussion and not try to skew it? Tell me, of all the double parkers around, how many are parked in front of clinics attending to emergencies? How many are consulting the doctor in McD or Public Bank or HSBC Bank? How many? And if it has to come to such an eventuality of an emergency, there are still compasionate people around.

hello fren! u dont go to mcd,pubbank or hsbc bank to consult ur doctor lahh!
anyway,lets not talk bout RM2 lah....if the parking was free and miles away frm the place..i oso wont park there lah!

fatslab
07-12-2005, 12:46 PM
orchi u talk as though u are some kinda good guy,u dare bet with me that u neva double park in ur entire forkedup life???!! u dare ??! dont juz talk,action counts! dont be like some minister lah pls!!! cannot tahan this attitude,talk talktalk,but when come to real thing....all cannot do!

I would dare to tell you that I would avoid double parking all cause, wanna bet? Oh....BTW, I'm always being caught for triple parking due to being sandwitched by double parkers!

CCY
07-12-2005, 01:02 PM
hello fren! u dont go to mcd,pubbank or hsbc bank to consult ur doctor lahh!
anyway,lets not talk bout RM2 lah....if the parking was free and miles away frm the place..i oso wont park there lah!

Double parking is just wrong and no amount or number of reason will right it. Maybe you'll only realised your folly of doing so until you are being stuck smack there just because of someone else attitude. If you like that then I'll have nothing more to say.

tan_r
07-12-2005, 01:11 PM
What I am trying to say is that there are possiblities that you could end up in a tight situation and there goes all your preaching about being law abiding cannot apply...
If one wishes to argue on possibilities and extreme, there will be no end. In any case, we are all reasonable people and reasonable people should act reasonably. Let's not think only of ourselves. Think about others as well.

GreenBug
07-12-2005, 01:15 PM
1. Double-parking is not just illegal, its wrong to do it ;

2. Anybody else think the RM2/= parking is too steep, voice it out to the correct person / channel ;

3. Not enough parking, voice it out to the developer / MPSJ ;

4. You have the right to double-park because you're adult and should know the consequences, its either a summon, a locked wheel or worse, a broken windshield ;

5. No need to fight over it or impose your opinions on other forumers ;

6. Want to fight a good fight, pls. join me in the thread vs Standard Chartered Bank lah, need support there to flame the thread.... :D

tan_r
07-12-2005, 01:18 PM
hello fren! u dont go to mcd,pubbank or hsbc bank to consult ur doctor lahh!
I know and many of our frens in this forum know but some don't. :rolleyes:


anyway,lets not talk bout RM2 lah....if the parking was free and miles away frm the place..i oso wont park there lah!
Miles away? Why are you trying to run away from the points of discussion? Ah ... no matter but thanks for the introduction of yourself.

GreyShadow
07-12-2005, 01:21 PM
Aiyo~ this thread is getting hotter :shock:
Anyway, I'll just share my opinion... :p

Everybody is a sinner... they are just committing the sin in different ways, that's all
For me... I'm a sinner too... breaking lot's of rules, and some laws too
Example: Driving around 4AM midnight, you saw there's a red light for a zebra crossing in front of you and there's no souls in sight, I won't stop but just drive past the red light slowly... it's silly to stop but still, I'm breaking the law, but breaking it in a way that I'm not breaking the law in the expense of other people's convenience.
Sometimes I also break the law by parking at roadside or yellowline, BUT I only do that when I'm sure I'm not obstructing any one or any vechicle. And I'm not proud of it...

For me, I'm dare and proud to say I NEVER DOUBLE PARK in my whole life.
For parking, I'll always go round and round until I found a empty parking lot, if after a few rounds still no empty parking lot, I'll just leave and look for other alternative like other branch of the bank or other restaurant. If the empty parking lot quite a distance from the place I need to visit, lets say 10 minutes walk... I won't park there as it's a bit far and I admit I'm lazy. I'll still going round & round to look for the ideal parking lot... what a lazy bum I am :D :p
If I know a particular area is always lack of parking space, I'll avoid that area at all cost.
If emergency illness case? I'll just send he/she to the nearest hospital and not clinic. Bcos infront clinic usually are lack of parking, and I don't trust clinic in handling emergency case also. For Hospital I can just drop the patient infront the emergency ward, and let the doc take care of it, then I go park the car.

Well, someone in here is saying "Everybody is double-parking, so I also double-park lar...", and "If everyone is doing the same, why can't I do it also?" Well... this is the so called monkey brain mentality, why? bcos Monkey See Monkey Do mah... :D

I believes in "Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do something". Its all start from individuals who need to change their monkey mindset, if you know it wrong and causing others inconvenient, then don't do it. It can start from you first by saying no to double park, then slowly other monkeys will change their mindset also... :D

tan_r
07-12-2005, 01:22 PM
juz doubled park in front of mcdonalds today to get something to eat quickly! imagine parking in the multilevel parking to do dat! mann,only fools would do it! ...
How many miles is McD from the car park? Stop contradicting yourself and stop trying to justify your absurdity!

penangkia
07-12-2005, 02:12 PM
[QUOTE=GreenBug]4. You have the right to double-park because you're adult and should know the consequences, its either a summon, a locked wheel or worse, a broken windshield ;


If only one of the above were to happen everytime, to every idiot who double/triple park, lock their car, and walk away,... then I bet there won't be such things anymore. But unfortunately, the lax in law enforcements made some people think that it is OK to adopt the streetwise culture.

To argue and justify that inconsiderate parking is an acceptable choice because one cannot find a proper parking lot is like saying it's OK to rob and steal because one is jobless and need to provide for the family.
It boils down to having a failure mentality and taking the easy and self-pity way out.

Please don't use emergency cases to fuel this arguement. Even police may block up the whole road if the emergency case is serious enough to warrant that. If it involves a life and death situation, we can all live with some inconveniences.

kevin23
07-12-2005, 02:30 PM
How many miles is McD from the car park? Stop contradicting yourself and stop trying to justify your absurdity!

o,,haha...not even a mile...dont they charge RM 2? o yeah! tan,use ur brain b4 u talk...dont b like noh omar pls!

kevin23
07-12-2005, 02:34 PM
oyeah,if there isint enough parking in taipan and u dont want to pay RM 2 to park at the covered parking,then u can try parking at shell or petronas near the tanjong area that side juz like some1 in this forum suggested...juz 20 minutes walk mah! betcha u can walk,anyway..malaysians are health concious...so go on and walk! happy walking!

kevin23
07-12-2005, 02:35 PM
and to all those who claim to have NEVER double parked in their whole life...good for u..because only god knows whether ur lying!

orchipalar
07-12-2005, 03:16 PM
...but breaking it in a way that I'm not breaking the law in the expense of other people's convenience.
Sometimes I also break the law by parking at roadside or yellowline, BUT I only do that when I'm sure I'm not obstructing any one or any vechicle. And I'm not proud of it...

For me, I'm dare and proud to say I NEVER DOUBLE PARK in my whole life.
For parking, I'll always go round and round until I found a empty parking lot, if after a few rounds still no empty parking lot, I'll just leave and look for other alternative like other branch of the bank or other restaurant. If the empty parking lot quite a distance from the place I need to visit, lets say 10 minutes walk... I won't park there as it's a bit far and I admit I'm lazy. I'll still going round & round to look for the ideal parking lot... what a lazy bum I am :D :p
If I know a particular area is always lack of parking space, I'll avoid that area at all cost.
If emergency illness case? I'll just send he/she to the nearest hospital and not clinic. Bcos infront clinic usually are lack of parking, and I don't trust clinic in handling emergency case also. For Hospital I can just drop the patient infront the emergency ward, and let the doc take care of it, then I go park the car.

Well, someone in here is saying "Everybody is double-parking, so I also double-park lar...", and "If everyone is doing the same, why can't I do it also?" Well... this is the so called monkey brain mentality, why? bcos Monkey See Monkey Do mah... :D

I believes in "Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do something". Its all start from individuals who need to change their monkey mindset, if you know it wrong and causing others inconvenient, then don't do it. It can start from you first by saying no to double park, then slowly other monkeys will change their mindset also... :DErr...Orchi's deep bows for you GreyShadow:)...well said indeed...

GreyShadow
07-12-2005, 03:23 PM
For those who always double parked, how do you feel when your properly parked car is block by someone who double parked?
After a few minutes of honking & cursing... still no one shows up, what will you do? Keep on honking and annoyed everybody around you?
How do you feel then? Feels like just want to reverse and bang into that car? Or smash the car windows?
So who should be responsible for the minutes wasted on honking & annoying everybody around you?
The driver who park properly or the double-parker?

Put yourself into the shoe of the victims, and tell me how you feel...

tan_r
07-12-2005, 03:44 PM
o,,haha...not even a mile...dont they charge RM 2? o yeah! tan,use ur brain b4 u talk...dont b like noh omar pls!
Ha ... you haven't finished introducing yourself ah? Carry on, we are still listening. :rolleyes:

aRwEn
07-12-2005, 03:54 PM
seriously, most ppl who double park r not in some kind of life n death emergency but just don't wish to be inconvenienced to finding a proper parking spot or just don't wanna walk too far.

even tho it iz not dat often, i too have been guilty of that when late for a client meeting in sum densely populated area with limited parkin lotz, but i alwiz leave my hp no n a short note wit apology n where 2 find me on d car dat im blockin so dat they can contact me juz in case i wuznt out by d time they come out... but everytime so far, i alwiz remove my car b4 they even come out... cuz i reali dun like 2 inconvenience otherz.

n my car has oso been blocked by double-parkerz b4 esp durin office hrz/lunch hr..... so i can understand how it feelz!!

but d worse kinda double-parkerz r those who r inconsiderate enuf 2 take their own sweet time n who dun even bother 2 com out 2 remove their carz until they absolutely hav 2, n when they do so, it iz often grudgingly, n they even hav d cheek 2 swear n curse at u juz cuz their car iz blockin urz n they havta come out n move it.... dun u think dat iz rather ironic?!

personally, it iz a waste of time 2 git angry but juz 2 share sthin dat my older brother told me abt how his former neighbourz handled double-parkerz....

they were a tad more sinister in how they dealt wit double-parkerz.... there wuz a school nearby where my bro used 2 live n a lotta parentz liked 2 double n even triple park in front of hiz former neighbourz' hse cuz it wuz d corner lot....

so hiz neighbour released d air fr all 4 tyrez as a 1st warnin.... n d car ownerz ended up wit 4 flatz... but no permanent damage... juz inconvenience..... hmm....

2nd time, same group of carz.... n d neighbour did sthin 2 their tyrez so dat they wud deflate oni after a day o two n need 2 b sent 2 d workshop 4 patchin.... hmm... still harmless but more inconvenient....

gudnez knowz wat happened d 3rd time cuz my brother shifted after dat so wuznt privvy 2 such info.... sthin more deadly perhapz...

so better beware, not everywun iz dat understandin.... wat goez round, comez round....
;)

kevin23
07-12-2005, 04:05 PM
seriously, most ppl who double park r not in some kind of life n death emergency but just don't wish to be inconvenienced to finding a proper parking spot or just don't wanna walk too far.

even tho it iz not dat often, i too have been guilty of that when late for a client meeting in sum densely populated area with limited parkin lotz, but i alwiz leave my hp no n a short note wit apology n where 2 find me on d car dat im blockin so dat they can contact me juz in case i wuznt out by d time they come out... but everytime so far, i alwiz remove my car b4 they even come out... cuz i reali dun like 2 inconvenience otherz.

n my car has oso been blocked by double-parkerz b4 esp durin office hrz/lunch hr..... so i can understand how it feelz!!

but d worse kinda double-parkerz r those who r inconsiderate enuf 2 take their own sweet time n who dun even bother 2 com out 2 remove their carz until they absolutely hav 2, n when they do so, it iz often grudgingly, n they even hav d cheek 2 swear n curse at u juz cuz their car iz blockin urz n they havta come out n move it.... dun u think dat iz rather ironic?!

personally, it iz a waste of time 2 git angry but juz 2 share sthin dat my older brother told me abt how his former neighbourz handled double-parkerz....

they were a tad more sinister in how they dealt wit double-parkerz.... there wuz a school nearby where my bro used 2 live n a lotta parentz liked 2 double n even triple park in front of hiz former neighbourz' hse cuz it wuz d corner lot....

so hiz neighbour released d air fr all 4 tyrez as a 1st warnin.... n d car ownerz ended up wit 4 flatz... but no permanent damage... juz inconvenience..... hmm....

2nd time, same group of carz.... n d guy did sthin 2 their tyrez so dat they wud deflate oni after a day o two n need 2 b sent 2 d workshop 4 patchin.... hmm...

gudnez knowz wat happened d 3rd time cuz my brother shifted after dat so wuznt privvy 2 such info....

so better beware, not everywun iz dat understandin.... wat goez round, comez round....
;)

yes indeed!as i already said,the worst double parkers are the ones who never come out to remove their vehicles or take ages to come out!

orchipalar
07-12-2005, 04:18 PM
It looks like Kevin is a masochist - getting slammed and asking for more !

However, I give him credit for being truthful.
He has elaborated a very valid point - that most people would feel like a fool if they were to pay for parking when they can just hop in and out of a shop. So convenient and so quick. No need to pay sommore. Also feel on top of the world for beating the system. Look at all the silly fools paying for parking AND walking as well...tsk tsk tsk.

My hope is one day, the majority will park at the proper places, walk and queue for their turns. Then we will have the silly fools being all the lazy people who prefer to double park.

You see, in the real world, the FOOLs are the minority.
So let us make civic conciousness a majority feature in our community.Err...dear Chang:)...Orchi thinks ya had summed it up there quite amply previously...n kudos to the many considerate folks n collegues in here...as well as many of those in real everyday life out there...whom are striving to improve n make a difference for the sakes of this good community...

Despite being faced with some hypocrites who would still insist to be stubborn until the very end...plenty more folks are standing up for what's right...n not be put up with what's nonsensical craps there is to begin with in here...

Ahem...like what the Cantonese would say..."phuk tai tou yiew lar farn cha sar"...or "sei ngaw yat pin geng"...those people might never ever learn...:rolleyes:

Err...just been notified that one of our new neightbours could make MORE than 20k a month...n yet he could be yacking until the cows come home n gone to sleep...n still be stubborn about NOT seeing the logic to paying 2 freaking bucks for proper parking space in Taipan...:rolleyes:

fatslab
07-12-2005, 04:31 PM
and to all those who claim to have NEVER double parked in their whole life...good for u..because only god knows whether ur lying!

How about taking up my challenge? Don't just talk nonsense. Action speaks louder than voice. How about I'm willingly allow you or anybody to smash my car if you ever seen my car double parked, game?

tupai
07-12-2005, 04:52 PM
How about I'm willingly allow you or anybody to smash my car if you ever seen my car double parked, game?

Bro fatslab, don't lah challenge people. Life is too short & fast. But if push comes to shove...I am game if u park behind my car but only after i have hooted 5 long ones. But such situ would be a rare case, having my car in taipan that is...i ride cubchaibike and parking is free :D

...but my fiend is pretty sure there were a few cars being badly scratched when these double parkers INTENTIONALLY blocked the small row of m/cycle park (in front of maybank and mcdonald and dunnowhere, I believe...) My fiend usually have NO PROBLEM scratching such a recalcitrant car and BY Jove! my fiend have been unlucky and was never caught... i hate to think what will happen to the owner (regardless of sex) if he/she saw that his/her shiny tin-can is been pawed,mauled & groped...

Yang Akan Berhenti di parking bay lato tupai

girl2
07-12-2005, 04:59 PM
orchi u talk as though u are some kinda good guy,u dare bet with me that u neva double park in ur entire forkedup life???!! u dare ??! dont juz talk,action counts! dont be like some minister lah pls!!! cannot tahan this attitude,talk talktalk,but when come to real thing....all cannot do!

Hello Kevin. I'm back, thanks to Mr. Chang.

Hey Kevin, why the need to send out a strong signal to everyone to agree with you? and daring others etc...?? (I'm asking in a very nice tone)

What if Orchi and the rest are truly good guys who never double-parked. You choose not to believe them? I hasten you to think unfoolishly (not calling you a fool ok!) and come round, to the facts.

You have to agree that double-parking is wrong and by doing so could cause major inconveniences or even a person's life & death Kevin.. and you shouldn't do that.

Like Chang said, let us make civic conciousness a majority feature in our good community. We don't need skill or talent to achieve that civic conciousness in us do we? We just need a functional brain and heart.

SunwayKid
07-12-2005, 05:03 PM
How about taking up my challenge? Don't just talk nonsense. Action speaks louder than voice. How about I'm willingly allow you or anybody to smash my car if you ever seen my car double parked, game?

Car Number, car number......... :) :p :D

Fatslab, instead of smashing your car window and getting some ear squats, can you just pay the cost of your replacing your windscreen as a reward? It is more forummer friendly :D

P/S: There seem to be a new flavour of the month, remember the last one Mr Stephen Chow lookalike ? And bananas also got different grades, some seem to disappear faster if they repent!

tan_r
07-12-2005, 05:07 PM
Ya ... car number. Still got time to go to 4D! :D

LXDGRT
07-12-2005, 05:15 PM
Quote:

P.S. A religious minister who is against all sins in this world once explained he has no choice but to put a "bribe" inside his passport as unofficial "processing fee" when he was leaving a country in Africa. He just have no choice. His passport will be processed last if that "bribe" is not there and he will miss his flight and maybe wait many days later for the next flight. He did pray but sometimes, God let things be. God does not always intervene just because you want him to.

Now, don't let this example become the start of another argument - I am just illustrating a point about man-made laws.

Err...well Alex:)...even you failed see the difference in your own example...from the moral of the story there...???

The preacher or minister...was on a faithful mission...was your bizness with the bank also relates to one? :confused:

Ailah.....Don't read too much into this lah. I think you see things too intellectually and miss the point. It is basically to illustrate that sometimes even the holiest man have to adjust to the ways of the world to get moving or be stuck where he is due to his self-righteousness. He just have to be prepared to deal with the consequences, if any.

fatslab
07-12-2005, 05:18 PM
Tupai Yang Terhormat,

You are a right man. Not worth talking sense to someone so stubborn.

Sunwaykid, huh...really want to make me do ear squat meh? I'm a Malaysian male la !!! hehe.... :p

Tan r, wah serious ah, you want to buy my car no? 3 digits nia, so you need to add 0 - 9 for the front and back and add up to be 20 times x 3 operators, all together 60 times and assuming 1big 1small = RM 120.00 !!!! for 1 day.

girl2
07-12-2005, 05:21 PM
Quote:


Ailah.....Don't read too much into this lah. I think you see things too intellectually and miss the point.

Aiyer, then why you p/s that to ppl if you don't want ppl to read? Hey, in case you haven't noticed, Orchi is indeed a very intellectual guy. I think you, missed that point.

tupai
07-12-2005, 05:24 PM
Quote:

Ailah.....Don't read too much into this lah. I think you see things too intellectually and miss the point. It is basically to illustrate that sometimes even the holiest man have to adjust to the ways of the world to get moving or be stuck where he is due to his self-righteousness. He just have to be prepared to deal with the consequences, if any.

When the illustration uses a religious person who is willing to bribe his way out...then the good Prophet, Jesus, Buddha, and all the teachers have failed in their missionary work & teachings...so sad:(

Better if the illustration is used that even a harmless animal like tupai must have RM50.00 to bribe the indon immigration cos tupai's passport is 5months 25days to expiry...that mean, even an animal understands the follies of human...I think i am digressing here...no? :confused:

Yang Amat Blur lato tupai

SunwayKid
07-12-2005, 05:33 PM
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Sunwaykid, huh...really want to make me do ear squat meh? I'm a Malaysian male la !!! hehe.... :p


Not you lah doing ear squats, me lah.....if I smash your car window and get caught! Also, I won't be famous because Theresa won't show my video.....like pear shape, people won't want to see. :D

Give lah number, next time, I see you main main with your car, I shoot with camera phone, you pay me windscreen money. :)

fatslab
07-12-2005, 05:39 PM
Not you lah doing ear squats, me lah.....if I smash your car window and get caught! Also, I won't be famous because Theresa won't show my video.....like pear shape, people won't want to see. :D

Give lah number, next time, I see you main main with your car, I shoot with camera phone, you pay me windscreen money. :)

if you are serious, I can PM you. I got no worries cause I trust good guy like you.

LXDGRT
07-12-2005, 06:35 PM
Aiyer, then why you p/s that to ppl if you don't want ppl to read? Hey, in case you haven't noticed, Orchi is indeed a very intellectual guy. I think you, missed that point.

Here comes miss firebrand saying something without checking the meaning of the phrase. Sigh! If you don't know what the phrase "Please don't read too much"...into something means, check it up first before commenting, please. Anyway, don't want to get into argument with you. After get a banana.

LXDGRT
07-12-2005, 06:38 PM
When the illustration uses a religious person who is willing to bribe his way out...then the good Prophet, Jesus, Buddha, and all the teachers have failed in their missionary work & teachings...so sad:(

Better if the illustration is used that even a harmless animal like tupai must have RM50.00 to bribe the indon immigration cos tupai's passport is 5months 25days to expiry...that mean, even an animal understands the follies of human...I think i am digressing here...no? :confused:

Yang Amat Blur lato tupai

Better I use real incidents told to me by the minister himself than to create stories lah.

fatslab
07-12-2005, 06:46 PM
Here comes miss firebrand saying something without checking the meaning of the phrase. Sigh! If you don't know what the phrase "Please don't read too much"...into something means, check it up first before commenting, please. Anyway, don't want to get into argument with you. After get a banana.

Then you think calling Girl2 'miss firebrand' sure won't get you into trouble? Weird la you, one time you said don't read too much into that phrase, another time you said there's meaning to that phrase. What do you actually mean??
:confused:

isarahim
07-12-2005, 07:33 PM
Wow, looks like this thread has deteriorated and derailed beautifully...reading it felt a bit like olden times...

Anyway, I'd just like to boringly jump back to the original topic.

I might have said this in another thread, but one fundamental reason that we have these parking problems in the first place is that the basic principle:

"Every urban building should be entirely self-sufficient in terms of parking space"

is very very very far from being met.

For instance, I hear that the regulatory norm is 1 parking bay per 1000 sqft retail or office space. Even this simple norm is seldom met. Moreover, lots of parking space is handed out to other functions, like VIP, food-stalls, car-wash etc. The other norm used by planners to meet the self-sufficiency criterion is 1 parking bay per 250 sqft - effectively.

This means that according to our urban planning baselines every new area is planned already at the outset with 3 vehicles without parking for every 1000 sqft retail and office space!!! So where are those 3 cars / 1000 sqft gonna go then? Mamak parking? Illegal parking? Double parking?

In many places - just take a drive around Puchong or central KL a normal day - those 3 surplus cars are scattered around the area. This leads to 3 lane roads becoming 2 lane roads, 2 lane roads becoming 1 lane roads with huge impact on traffic.

A large share of the traffic problem in urban areas is in fact due to lack of parking space and that the building are not responsible enough to cater for their own staff but rely on the surroundings!

And, to make it even worse, often this includes new housing areas as well. Some of the new termite stacks coming up around the Puching-SungaiBesi highway as well as the MRR2 have so little parking space that even the apartment owners have no choice than to park by the *highway*.

tupai
07-12-2005, 07:35 PM
Better I use real incidents told to me by the minister himself than to create stories lah.

thats made it even sadder :( that minister is the purveyor of sins...u tell him i say so... :mad: Or u PM me his contact , and I will tell him so.
Minister, my worm!

Yang Amat Berdosa lato tupai

LXDGRT
07-12-2005, 09:09 PM
Then you think calling Girl2 'miss firebrand' sure won't get you into trouble? Weird la you, one time you said don't read too much into that phrase, another time you said there's meaning to that phrase. What do you actually mean??
:confused:

Some people are just too think to take the phrases and simple statments as it is with no hidden meaning. Never mind lah. Just stay confused. Wasting my time having to clarify simple statements. These shall just fall off like water on a duck's back.

LXDGRT
07-12-2005, 09:16 PM
thats made it even sadder :( that minister is the purveyor of sins...u tell him i say so... :mad: Or u PM me his contact , and I will tell him so.
Minister, my worm!

Yang Amat Berdosa lato tupai

Just like what the Penangites told Dato' Samy Vellu: "Go stay & work in Penang for 3 months" when he offended them about the 2nd bridge, I think you should walk a mile in the minister's shoes. Hopefully, the Holier-Than-Thou attitude will tone down and tell you that you are human after all. Even many of God's people have been cornered into 'wrong' actions. Would be nice to see you as a shining example of a pure holy life. Would be nice to read your biography.

kwchang
07-12-2005, 11:19 PM
Enough with the chatting on this Forum.
Thank you Isarahim, for pointing out how this thread had deteriorated. You are absolutely right. I read all the happenings today but I try my best not to post during my working hours.

LXDGRT, you want to wear a banana as well? Please read Rule 1c. Same goes for everyone else. If you do not have something to contribute, then please don't chit-chat here. Thank you.

OK, let me say this. This could have been a sensible discussion and I accept all your views. But some of you (like Kevin for example) decide to stand on a stage and expose yourself. That is funny. Not hahaha funny, but funny how people misplace their grey matter.

Yes, like isarahim said, it is a bit of dejavu. We had this type of flame wars before. If the newbies want to trace that, you will need to search a long way back.

So let's cool it and get back down to Earth

kevin23
08-12-2005, 01:39 AM
OK, let me say this. This could have been a sensible discussion and I accept all your views. But some of you (like Kevin for example) decide to stand on a stage and expose yourself. That is funny. Not hahaha funny, but funny how people misplace their grey matter.


So let's cool it and get back down to Earth

if admin is like that,i dont know bout the others...neway,taipan has new shoplots....lookzz like we have MORE parking!

orchipalar
08-12-2005, 08:11 AM
I might have said this in another thread, but one fundamental reason that we have these parking problems in the first place is that the basic principle:

"Every urban building should be entirely self-sufficient in terms of parking space"

is very very very far from being met.

For instance, I hear that the regulatory norm is 1 parking bay per 1000 sqft retail or office space. Even this simple norm is seldom met. Moreover, lots of parking space is handed out to other functions, like VIP, food-stalls, car-wash etc. The other norm used by planners to meet the self-sufficiency criterion is 1 parking bay per 250 sqft - effectively.

This means that according to our urban planning baselines every new area is planned already at the outset with 3 vehicles without parking for every 1000 sqft retail and office space!!! So where are those 3 cars / 1000 sqft gonna go then? Mamak parking? Illegal parking? Double parking?

In many places - just take a drive around Puchong or central KL a normal day - those 3 surplus cars are scattered around the area. This leads to 3 lane roads becoming 2 lane roads, 2 lane roads becoming 1 lane roads with huge impact on traffic.

A large share of the traffic problem in urban areas is in fact due to lack of parking space and that the building are not responsible enough to cater for their own staff but rely on the surroundings!

And, to make it even worse, often this includes new housing areas as well. Some of the new termite stacks coming up around the Puching-SungaiBesi highway as well as the MRR2 have so little parking space that even the apartment owners have no choice than to park by the *highway*.Err...Saudara IsaRahim:)...as much as Orchi appreciates your points raised...it won't change the current menacing n worsening conditions faced within our community here...

Err...like you have amply brought to our attentions on previous occasions as well...public transport sucks...numbers of vehicles on the road are rising by each day...n this freaking car park problems is thus worsening MORE with inconsiderate drivers behind the wheels...

Err...what can we do?...when more n more banks...fast food chain stores...restaurants...car showrooms...etc etc flocked to the congested area such as Taipan n the Bizness centre...

Ahem...Orchi believes even if you dig 5 storeys each down to the earth...or likewise up to the sky...to make ways for adequate carpark spaces...what good would it serve...when ya got 'invalids'...refusing to use them?

Err...useless isn't it?...to think for a minute...what else would happen...should enforcement from the relevant authorities be tighter...n they resort to wheel clampings...n towing away...double parked vehicles?

EricK
08-12-2005, 11:48 AM
Two wrongs doesn make a right i think.. what give the person the right to break a window? like that everybody can justify the wrong with reasons...

LXDGRT
09-12-2005, 12:07 AM
Two wrongs doesn make a right i think.. what give the person the right to break a window? like that everybody can justify the wrong with reasons...


Let's just say, no parking and people like Kevin23 and LXDGRT has double parked in front of the clinic. I'd stop in front or a few cars away from the clinic, take my child out and tell the nurse her particulars and what symptoms is he/she projecting quickly , tell the nurse to keep her company while I'll be back in 10 minutes. All this within 2 minutes.

I do agree with you that 2 wrongs don't make a right. 2 minutes of double parking is still breaking the law, like it or not because the law supposedly says: "No double-parking".

And I am not condoning nor advocating the frequent rule breakers either. However, there may be situations that are so tight that you may have to consider the possiblity of breaking of some laws aka "choosing the lesser of 2 evils".

For example, how do you justify the situation where every Friday afternoon, cars are double, triple and even quadrupled parked in front of the USJ9 mosque such that many times, I am hard squeezed to pass through? I am sure these devotees know that they are inconveniencing others. I would love to hear a satisfying explanation to this.

I wouldn't be too sure about saying "I have got it all covered...." If anybody can say he has got it all covered, I would like to learn from him because he would be living a perfect life, no problems, no accidents, no emergency, etc. Even Jesus and his disciples went into the temple on a sabbath to eat the food offerings in the temple which is supposed to be against the law of the land at that time. I doubt anybody can claim that in everything in their life they have got it all covered. In fact, if I can find such a person, I would like employ such a person, in fact many of such people. Then I will have everything "all covered" and I would be the happiest man in the world, but I have to be realistic.

Even as I write this, I got a phone call from my staff telling me that one contractor is breaking an agreement despite having it all in writing. Summore, this contractor was selected due to a reliable recommendation. Even the referror never expected this. So how deep you want to cover some more? Like I said, if only I can get such a perfect "coveror" to work for me....

IMHO, It is at such times, you can only do your best to cause the least inconvenience possible and do your best to salvage the situation.

(I hope I have the above explanation "all covered" from all angles! :D )

orchipalar
09-12-2005, 01:17 AM
And I am not condoning nor advocating the frequent rule breakers either. However, there may be situations that are so tight that you may have to consider the possiblity of breaking of some laws aka "choosing the lesser of 2 evils".

For example, how do you justify the situation where every Friday afternoon, cars are double, triple and even quadrupled parked in front of the USJ9 mosque such that many times, I am hard squeezed to pass through? I am sure these devotees know that they are inconveniencing others. I would love to hear a satisfying explanation to this.

IMHO, It is at such times, you can only do your best to cause the least inconvenience possible and do your best to salvage the situation.
Err...here is hoping Orchi has gotten it right...Alex:)...that happens once every Fridays during Muslim prayer time...Solat Jumu`ah...n our peace loving brothers are strenghtening their faith to...Allah`Subhanahu wa Ta`ala...Orchi doesn't see that as being any hindrance...in the daily life...of Taipan...

LXDGRT
09-12-2005, 08:26 AM
Err...here is hoping Orchi has gotten it right...Alex:)...that happens once every Fridays during Muslim prayer time...Solat Jumu`ah...n our peace loving brothers are strenghtening their faith to...Allah`Subhanahu wa Ta`ala...Orchi doesn't see that as being any hindrance...in the daily life...of Taipan...

By the standards stated by our law-abiding people in the forum, is the law broken or not? Should they do it or not? What is/are the solution/s?

tan_r
09-12-2005, 09:17 AM
Isn't it a little presumptuous to assume that law has been broken in this instance? How sure are we to know that a permit from the authorities has not been obtained for that 2 hour window?

As I have said earlier, nothing good will come out if one wishes to quote extremes into the discussion. Let's not want to win for the sake of winning.

LXDGRT
09-12-2005, 10:33 AM
Isn't it a little presumptuous to assume that law has been broken in this instance? How sure are we to know that a permit from the authorities has not been obtained for that 2 hour window?

As I have said earlier, nothing good will come out if one wishes to quote extremes into the discussion. Let's not want to win for the sake of winning.

The law does not care whether you are in for a minute or for an hour. I have come across instances where one has parked on a double line for a minute due to an emergency and the next minute the car owner comes out, there is already a 'ticket' on his windscreen. To the enforcement officer, an offence is an offence.

This is not about trying to win (which is already a presumtious statement) but about using your judgement during tight situations. IMHO, I believe that if one is prepared for extreme situations, then there would be less panic and less inconveniences, hardcore offenders, notwithstanding.

Anyway, what about the double, triple and quadruple parking for 1+ hour during the Friday afternoon situation? Any answers? Is this where we use our good sense or are we going to go by the book?

tan_r
09-12-2005, 10:40 AM
You have obviously ignored or missed the points of my reply.

tupai
09-12-2005, 11:12 AM
You have obviously ignored or missed the points of my reply.

Mr tan_r, u r chit-chatting. And that can earn u a pisang goreng, maybe
:D

My pov, if my Minister from the Holy Molly Temple of Mighty Neebokanezer, told me that she broke the law and gave bride to the car park polizia, just so that she can jump Q and get out of the now-congested taipan carpark quicker than those without the $in-money to pay/corrupt, then I suppose its Ok for me (puny sin&worm infested human) to choose the lesser evil (second evil, for being late for Holly Molly choir practice).

As far as I know, places of worship would have applied for special 'no-offense committed' window period, for worshipping reasons. What man made, man can unmake...thats the law of the land, applicable even at the HM temple of Mighty N.

yang amat blur sotong lato tupai

p/s
OOOooooo, everyday I luvvvv u less & less
simply bcos u r a pest
but your parking is not the best
and u r creating a mess
my patience is put to test
cos i am in distress
therefore i digress.

LXDGRT
09-12-2005, 11:47 AM
As far as I know, places of worship would have applied for special 'no-offense committed' window period, for worshipping reasons. What man made, man can unmake...thats the law of the land,

Now, that make more sense except I wish they would not squeeze so much until 3 lanes become 1 lane.

And too bad the individuals facing emergencies have only to beg for forgiveness from the enforcement officers or the council but what to do? Sometimes, situations are such that it is better to pay a fine than to let your child's fever go beyond damage point. (Again, hardcore offenders, notwithstanding).

gnehkgnep
09-12-2005, 02:31 PM
p/s
OOOooooo, everyday I luvvvv u less & less
simply bcos u r a pest
but your parking is not the best
and u r creating a mess
my patience is put to test
cos i am in distress
therefore i digress.

This is creative.... :D
Double-parking should b punish....b a civic-minded road user....Tq to all those that multi-parked for being more road-obedient.......pls remember the road belong to everyone......not your limpeh or your ah kong........pls adhere to road regulations n be nice to others...... :D

Many thanks!!