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sirgalahad2010
30-11-2005, 03:43 PM
The Singapore New Paper reported today, in a half page report, that an 18-year old student was slashed to death with a sickle by one of two men in Cheras on Saturday night. This was after the student scolded the men for teasing a girl he was with.

The report said that the student's name was Khairul Anuar Salim. His father is a research officer in the PM's Department.

This is the type of senseless crime that seems to be prevalent in Msia these days. And it makes me mad as h***! Its at times like these that we need a strong police force to put fear into these low-lifes, and to bring them to justice. Instead, we have the sorry semblance of a police force that is being steadily emasculated by the constant drip of scandal, and let's face it, bare-faced political manouevring.

I don't think that Teresa Kok, for example, is going to console the bereaved family of this late student! Or all the other whingers who go on and on about police corruption and brutality. There is no mileage in this for them, that's for sure. No headline-grabbing opportunities.

Makes me think of the US where the civil rights platoons and the ACLU condemn the police there for brutality, yet when their own prosperous suburbs are invaded by junkies, drug pushers and the crack gangs, are vociferous in demanding police action! And we are seeing the same sorry syndrome now in Msia!

Of course, the Singapore media have scored more brownie points by taking every opportunity to portray Msia as a wild west environment where anything apparently goes. That's par for the course.

bobkee
30-11-2005, 04:08 PM
Effective policing and respect for human rights norms and upholding the dignity of fellow human beings need not necessarily be mutually exclusive.

One of the main problems here is that "crime prevention" and other forms of "prevention" of "undesirable" activities have been used as a convenient excuse that has resulted in the gradual brutalisation and dehumanisation of the police force today.

The story you mentioned is one dead 18 year old boy. What about the 20 reported cases of suspects, who are constitutionally guaranteed of their innocence until proven guilty, who died in custody in 2002, the 10 reported cases in 2003 and the 4 reported cases last year? Do those people deserve to die too just for being suspected of a crime? Is it because that the victims are from one of the smallest ethnic minority that allows this to get pass our collective conscience?

saml
30-11-2005, 04:18 PM
Our enlightened police force should arrest whoever was responsible and prosecute them soonest possible. Our friend seems misguided that Teresa Kok should highlight it in the press what our good old police force should be doing in the first place. If for instance those who killed the poor guy were not prosecuted because they were connected to some politicians or high ranking civil servants then maybe the opposition politicians could come into the picture. If the police are doing their job then there is no need for the politicians to highlight the cases to the press. It is as simple as that.

Teeque
01-12-2005, 03:11 AM
Well, anyone still remember the case of a teen beaten to death which also involved the current Parliament Minister's son? He was Deputy Home Minister then, his son absolved of the crime and quickly hived off overseas, the accomplices (the sacrificial lambs) were charged and jailed, and the case closed and quickly swept under carpet. The dead teen's parents were told then by 'high ranking officers' that there is no point to implicate the VIP's son and everyone in the force has been 'instructed' to follow the top brass 'advise'. The killers (the accomplices) hv been produced for them and that is all the parents are going to get. And nobody is going to hear them out even if they complained to the press. Now, how does that kind of police force sounds like to you?

fedup
01-12-2005, 07:17 AM
U can go on commenting n current issues but the point is that it have becvome the govt policy to harrass & if possible chase away anyone who is not of the same faith. The govt have said it in parliament "if you don't like it in M'sia get out" now the deputy minister have repeated it out of Parliament " if you think we are cruel get out" long live Ketuanan Melayu :o

Ski
01-12-2005, 09:48 AM
This is the type of senseless crime that seems to be prevalent in Msia these days. And it makes me mad as h***! Its at times like these that we need a strong police force to put fear into these low-lifes, and to bring them to justice. Instead, we have the sorry semblance of a police force that is being steadily emasculated by the constant drip of scandal, and let's face it, bare-faced political manouevring.


Its unfortunate that the police was not informed of the imminent slaughter.!!

EricK
01-12-2005, 12:45 PM
This is the type of senseless crime that seems to be prevalent in Msia these days. And it makes me mad as h***! Its at times like these that we need a strong police force to put fear into these low-lifes, and to bring them to justice. Instead, we have the sorry semblance of a police force that is being steadily emasculated by the constant drip of scandal, and let's face it, bare-faced political manouevring.

Makes me think of the US where the civil rights platoons and the ACLU condemn the police there for brutality, yet when their own prosperous suburbs are invaded by junkies, drug pushers and the crack gangs, are vociferous in demanding police action! And we are seeing the same sorry syndrome now in Msia!



Exactly.. we want an effective police force but we dont want them to be too effective in our collective face. We want police to be harsh on those low life, but how do they know which is a low life? How does the police discriminate between a low life scum and a law abiding citizen? Can you tell by looks?

bobkee
01-12-2005, 12:52 PM
Exactly.. we want an effective police force but we dont want them to be too effective in our collective face. We want police to be harsh on those low life, but how do they know which is a low life? How does the police discriminate between a low life scum and a law abiding citizen? Can you tell by looks?Personally, I want a police force that is both effective and accountable. They are not mutually exclusive.

Sir Robert Peel, the founder of the modern police force, once said that the "police is the public and the public is the police". They should be allowed to act as law enforcers but not as a law upon themselves.

EricK
01-12-2005, 01:20 PM
Personally, I want a police force that is both effective and accountable. They are not mutually exclusive.

Sir Robert Peel, the founder of the modern police force, once said that the "police is the public and the public is the police". They should be allowed to act as law enforcers but not as a law upon themselves.

and pray tell which police force is that? Even the famed London bobbies have shot an innocent man in the aftermath of 7/7.

bslee
01-12-2005, 01:40 PM
and pray tell which police force is that? Even the famed London bobbies have shot an innocent man in the aftermath of 7/7.

Surely not the London bobbies you see on tourist pics..its their elite and highly trained squad with orders of shoot to kill!.. :rolleyes:

bobkee
01-12-2005, 01:42 PM
and pray tell which police force is that? Even the famed London bobbies have shot an innocent man in the aftermath of 7/7.
The main difference with the London incident and the various recorded Malaysian incidents of extra judicial killings is the way the Metropolitan Police responded to the event. An immediate inquiry by the Independent Police Complaints Commission of the UK was made into the incident and although the results are still pending, the level of public accountability and transparency in police procedures is very high.

As a matter of fact, this incident and it's response was used as an example by former Chief Justice, Mohamed Dzaiddin Abdullah, when responding to reservations by some quarters about the Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC) Bill 2005 during the 13th Malaysian Law Conference recently.

Police brutality exists everywhere but what makes the difference is whether or not these cases are results of individual officers who make bad decisions or a result of deliberate policy and procedure. Unfortunately in Malaysia, it is obvious that it is more of the latter.

Ski
01-12-2005, 02:33 PM
This boys life could have been saved if this private hospital had attended to him immediately instead of demanding for a deposit..isn'it medical ethics to save lives..some money concerned hospital just like many others too.. the govt should revoke its licence!!

Anyway the govt has come with a directive today that all private hospitals to admit all emergency cases immediately.

saml
01-12-2005, 02:43 PM
Yesterday when I was a a drive through payment counter with my family, there was this two motorcyclists who just cut in front of my car. I blew my horn but they just ignored and the stupid cashier served them. I wanted to get out of my car to tell them off but since my family was with me I didnt and let the thing slide. Of course we are of a different race but the fact that they think that it is ok for them to do so and the stupid cashier could see it and served them like as if riding a motorbike gives them the right to jump queue. It made me really mad. If I was alone I am very sure that I would have got out of my car but I didnt but I felt damn too larn. Anyway they looked like druggies to me.

USJ27Resident
01-12-2005, 04:40 PM
U can go on commenting n current issues but the point is that it have becvome the govt policy to harrass & if possible chase away anyone who is not of the same faith. The govt have said it in parliament "if you don't like it in M'sia get out" now the deputy minister have repeated it out of Parliament " if you think we are cruel get out" long live Ketuanan Melayu :o

Err... hallo... and your point? :confused: Are you repeating what they have said or are you emphasizing what they have said...

tupai
01-12-2005, 08:41 PM
Yesterday when I was a a drive through payment counter with my family, there was this two motorcyclists who just cut in front of my car. I blew my horn but they just ignored and the stupid cashier served them. I wanted to get out of my car to tell them off but since my family was with me I didnt and let the thing slide. Of course we are of a different race but the fact that they think that it is ok for them to do so and the stupid cashier could see it and served them like as if riding a motorbike gives them the right to jump queue. It made me really mad. If I was alone I am very sure that I would have got out of my car but I didnt but I felt damn too larn. Anyway they looked like druggies to me.

DO i understand the point/s made here?
-bikers are rude & q jumpers?
- cashier is dumb or stupid or ignorant or all 3?
- bikers cut q b'cos they are racist?
- u didn't fight for yr rights cos yr family r with u?
- u too chicken to fight for yr rights?
- u are sober & they are drug addicts?
- U want yr rights but are 'damn too larn'?

Me? I'd have got out our my morris minor, confront the q-jumpers plus the cashier and gave them all a sterophonic verbal lashing that their ears will ring for the next 3hr 49minutes!

I am never the one to back off when my rights get curtailed without my permission unless my family is with me lah...:D :D

yang amat bodoh lato tupai :p