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Ski
21-11-2005, 10:22 PM
Hi
Can you believe this? Are my eyes deceiving me?

Read here then.
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=12002

orchipalar
21-11-2005, 10:51 PM
Reserves of foreign exchange and gold: US$55.27 billion (2004 est.)
Debt - external: US$53.36 billion (2004 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/my.html

Err...can someone with a 12 digits calculator...be kinder to assist Orchi here...???

Err...can you multiply that with the current forex. rate of US$ 1 : MYR 3.75...to see how much the nation's external debt could be by year 2004 when our new PM took the office...???

Ahem...should Orchi's weak mathematical memory is still working...n assuming that Malaysia has a total population of 25 millions by 2004...err...that could mean that...EACH Malaysians...including EVERY old citizens...man...woman n childrens...sick or alive...or even infant babies...would be owing as much as MYR 8,000 EACH externally...!!??

Geez...Orchi wouldn't be a bit surprised...even should the SOON to be born Malaysians...could be owing AS MUCH...or MORE...!!???

Err...So Orchi beckons...what the GOMEN has spent SO FAR... on the PM's residences...could ONLY be deduced...as A DROP IN THE TASIK KENYIR only...

0.008 % sahaja or even less perhaps...coz unofficially WE could be owing MORE...who knows?...sap sap water niah...!!!:o

expat1609
22-11-2005, 12:31 AM
yessss...i am in maintenance and service since 15 yrs, worldwide !!!

after calculating accurate, i guess i could do the maintenance for 1/2 price :D

saya BOLEH

VeeJay
23-11-2005, 12:04 PM
For that amount of money, we could have easily extended the Putra LRT to Subang Jaya :D It would have served a better purpose! :mad:

penangkia
23-11-2005, 12:39 PM
For that amount of money, we could have easily extended the Putra LRT to Subang Jaya :D It would have served a better purpose! :mad:


For that amount of money (15.8 million), we could put laughter and hope into 2000 kids who are ophaned or struggling below the poverty line.

2000 x RM 7000/year= RM 14 million only, still 1.8 million left for toys & books.

PM and DPM, can you not live with what you already have so that these kids can have some measure of a decent living, please. ??

I am boycotting some stalls because they increase their noodle prices by 30 cents. Hopefully we can see our hard earned income tax spent on some worthwhile Malaysian needs.

GreenBug
23-11-2005, 10:20 PM
Semua mahu besar.... Semua mahu gaya.... Semua mahu canggih...

RM14,800,000 can buy about 5,000,000 bags of Quaker Oats at RM3 a bag for the poor and the hungry....And that is only the renovations part..... DPM's official residence is still in planning stage.... :eek:

Walk the talk, man, walk the talk! Jangan cakap tak serupa bikin!

uchangeng
23-11-2005, 11:05 PM
great, we now have palaces rival those of Sadams!

Ski
24-11-2005, 07:52 AM
So what was the original cost of the of PM's residence.. Rm50m?

GreyShadow
24-11-2005, 11:00 AM
Nevermind the cost lar~
Next time when you bring your friends to putrajaya to see the PM's residence, you can show off by saying: "See those X numbers of roof tile, or those bricks? It was sponsored by ME!!" :D

There goes our tax $$ again... down the drain, or should we say... up the wall? :p

ghkok747
24-11-2005, 06:31 PM
i'm currently renovating my house in USJ4 ... been banging my head against the wall to keep the cost down to RM22,000 ... then I saw this ... :mad: :mad:

orchipalar
24-11-2005, 07:00 PM
Err...for the life of Orchi...what kinda Official Residence for our Prime Minister n WHERE...would we expect Pak Lah to live in...?

Err...lets see...how about consideraing the possibility of having the Official Residence of something more 'appropriate' like a bungalow(?) or Semi-D(?) for him...in the midst of Taman Melawati...or Gombak...or Ampang...or Kg. Baru...or perhaps Taman Sri Muda in Shah Alam...or perhaps better to relocate him...to one of them bungalow house in Putrajaya...or something like that...?

Err...or how about then...finding a more 'appropriate' place to relocate our Yang DiPertuan Agong...from the official residence ~ The Istana Negara...?

Ahem...then again...on a related matter...how about possibly hearing the folks talk about...err...what sorta cars should he uses instead...for his official duties...n private usage...?

Err...lets see...he is already travelling on the roads...in a Proton Perdana(Menteri?)...ahem...how about when he is OFF Duty...err...should he be driving a Perodua Kancil....instead?

Come to think of it...with these kinda costing cutting n criticism exercises going on in this community forum...it could possibly save this nation from falling apart...or not??????? :D

15.8 millions under the justifiable circumstances...is really NOT a BIG problem...among SO MANY other BIGGER issues...that are bleeding the country to bones...:o

Err...having said that...lets hope that the roof of the Official Residence won't be leaking again...after the proposed renovation works are done!...appropriately under the 'proper' supervision of JKR(again?)... :rolleyes:

pucman
24-11-2005, 08:13 PM
For that amount of money, we could have easily extended the Putra LRT to Subang Jaya :D It would have served a better purpose! :mad:

Welcome to the world of money wasting... In fact, a lot of public money could have gone into alleviating traffic jam and improving infrastructure.

No wonder we have jam every morning even after paying toll :mad:

pcyeoh
25-11-2005, 12:49 AM
What is all the fuss here about a couple of millions spent here? I would not expect my Prime Minister to stay in a house not befitting of his status. I would be too embarrassed to show anyone that my PM is living in a cheapskate residence. We must understand that we are not living in a country stickened with poverty that the residence becomes indecent when everyone living around it are suffering. The PM residence is more than a living quarter. There are many other functionalities such as a banquet hall etc etc. So the cost is justify. What is debatable is "Is the contruction cost or maintenance cost beyond market value? Is the contractor ripping us off???"

penangkia
25-11-2005, 01:05 PM
What is all the fuss here about a couple of millions spent here? I would not expect my Prime Minister to stay in a house not befitting of his status. I would be too embarrassed to show anyone that my PM is living in a cheapskate residence. We must understand that we are not living in a country stickened with poverty that the residence becomes indecent when everyone living around it are suffering. The PM residence is more than a living quarter. There are many other functionalities such as a banquet hall etc etc. So the cost is justify. What is debatable is "Is the contruction cost or maintenance cost beyond market value? Is the contractor ripping us off???"


Beg to defer mate. If a multi-millionaire spends 100K on garden landscapping, that his business. But if a person spend 10K on landscapping and than approach his neighbour for a 10K loan to send his kid for further studies, he must be an idiot.
Bolehland is in huge debts. Borrowing money to improve infrastructure, social walfare etc. is one thing. Spending millions on grandiose living when one cannot afford it is a disgrace rather than giving a good impression. Right in the middle of the KL city, the sights of Pudu jail, dirty 30 year old low cost flats, illegal shack housing, broken 5 footways, broken telephone booths, pre-war water and sewer pipeworks, pot holes, rubbish filled backlanes etc etc etc. rear their ugly heads.
No, I don't take foreign friends to Putrajaya unless they want to go because they have heard about it. I am ashame and angry at the sheer waste of taxpayers money to build this fairyland in the first place.
Foreigners with brains will know where money is needed most by driving from Putrajaya to KL via Puchong, PJ Old town, Old Klang Road, Cheras and Ampang new village....

Oh btw, our PM is not living in a cheapskate house, what he and the DPM are living in now without any further reno. are already a dream mansions and offices for many PMs in more developed countries.

DatinLawa
25-11-2005, 04:37 PM
totally agree with penangkia. and i really dun care if he is using his "own" money to renovate the whole house for a billion but not in this case. pcyeoh, what do you mean "the cost is justify"? justify against what?

and i believe if any foreigners where to see a country with no poverty, the city is clean and well-planned with excellent infrastructure, but a modest mansion of our pm, no one would utter a word to say the pm is "cheapskate".

Lexus
25-11-2005, 05:27 PM
Beg to defer mate. If a multi-millionaire spends 100K on garden landscapping, that his business. But if a person spend 10K on landscapping and than approach his neighbour for a 10K loan to send his kid for further studies, he must be an idiot.
Bolehland is in huge debts. Borrowing money to improve infrastructure, social walfare etc. is one thing. Spending millions on grandiose living when one cannot afford it is a disgrace rather than giving a good impression. Right in the middle of the KL city, the sights of Pudu jail, dirty 30 year old low cost flats, illegal shack housing, broken 5 footways, broken telephone booths, pre-war water and sewer pipeworks, pot holes, rubbish filled backlanes etc etc etc. rear their ugly heads.
No, I don't take foreign friends to Putrajaya unless they want to go because they have heard about it. I am ashame and angry at the sheer waste of taxpayers money to build this fairyland in the first place.
Foreigners with brains will know where money is needed most by driving from Putrajaya to KL via Puchong, PJ Old town, Old Klang Road, Cheras and Ampang new village....

Oh btw, our PM is not living in a cheapskate house, what he and the DPM are living in now without any further reno. are already a dream mansions and offices for many PMs in more developed countries.

Here comes my comeback.

15 Mil is cheap... You know, a PM's house is not just meant for the PM to stay. Sometimes, foreign leaders come over too. It's just like the White House.. you think WH takes RM 1 mil to renovate? Same goes to PM's house then.

Yeah, so the government borrowed money from the taxpayers to build government projects.. so? If you realize the compononets of GDP, it's C+I+G+NX. Since we are in a contractionary policy at the moment after the PM's takeover, Investment is not a good option to further enhance the GDP therefore, we rely a lot of Consumption and Exports. However, as Malaysians keep this idea that we need to save a lot these days, consumption falls and thus dependng only on Exports. Unfortunately, there's a slowdown in world economy and *someone* need to boost up GDP. Thus there's this government projects here to save us.

If you realize, even first world country like Japan have a 21.4% GDP in Government expenditure. This means, government *need* to spend money in order for us to grow.

I understand certain areas in KL look like thrash, but really, there are other areas in Malaysia that don't always look like thrash. Partly, it's because of the mentality of people who stay there. Take Melaka for an example, it's *way* cleaner than KL because the people here seems to know how to appreciate what the local council does. Would you keep spending money on a place where everytime you clean it up, someone thrashes it?

Like I said earlier in my statement, 15 million is cheap for a PM's residence renovation. It's not like the 15 million is meant for Badawi's personal home... it's the Prime Minister's. This mean, the 15 million is meant for the current and future PM. They really deserver a luxury place to stay you know. If you even *bother* to read a PM's biography, they hardly have 2-3 hours of sleep every day because they've to go everywhere and entertain everyone. So what's 15 million to make the PM's place a better and more luxurious place for the PM, his family and the foreign diplomats that decides to stay in the PM's house?

Sometimes, Malaysians musn't just criticize.. we've to analyze too. Seems that lately no matter what the government does, everyone got a negative feedback.

pcyeoh
25-11-2005, 05:52 PM
totally agree with penangkia. and i really dun care if he is using his "own" money to renovate the whole house for a billion but not in this case. pcyeoh, what do you mean "the cost is justify"? justify against what?
Take the case of the RM 90,000 toilet at the pasar malam site in SS 13. Is the toilet necessary? The answer is YES. Is the toilet built there justified? Again the answer is YES. But does it cost us RM 90,000 to built that toilet of that modest size? The answer is NO. So the cost is not justified. Same thing applies to our PM house. It is the renovation cost that is so high that people are criticising it.

orchipalar
25-11-2005, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Lexus: Like I said earlier in my statement, 15 million is cheap for a PM's residence renovation. It's not like the 15 million is meant for Badawi's personal home... it's the Prime Minister's. This mean, the 15 million is meant for the current and future PM. They really deserver a luxury place to stay you know. If you even *bother* to read a PM's biography, they hardly have 2-3 hours of sleep every day because they've to go everywhere and entertain everyone. So what's 15 million to make the PM's place a better and more luxurious place for the PM, his family and the foreign diplomats that decides to stay in the PM's house?

Sometimes, Malaysians musn't just criticize.. we've to analyze too. Seems that lately no matter what the government does, everyone got a negative feedback.

Originally posted by PCYeoh: Take the case of the RM 90,000 toilet at the pasar malam site in SS 13. Is the toilet necessary? The answer is YES. Is the toilet built there justified? Again the answer is YES. But does it cost us RM 90,000 to built that toilet of that modest size? The answer is NO. So the cost is not justified. Same thing applies to our PM house. It is the renovation cost that is so high that people are criticising it.
Err...welcome back Lexus:)...Orchi agrees...that we shouldn't over spent...on totally unnecessary expenditures on 'concepts'...that we see the Putrajaya today...having to spent hundreds of millions...IF not Billions....for a mother of all man-made lakes n reservoirs...so as to spent those exorbitant n obscene amounts in the construction costs again...having to built something lika 9 'impressive' or 'marvellous' bridges across them freaking man-made lakes...just for peoples n vehicles traffic to get across to the...so called centralized federal government departmental offices... :rolleyes:

http://www.i-putra.com.my/aboutputrajaya.htm#

Err...IF anyone thinks...that would be the end of it?...well think again...how much more...would eventually be spent to maintain those 'luxurious' mega outfits...adequately n properly...:rolleyes:

Ahem...hundreds of millions spent...so as the Federal Court House which also houses the Syariah courts...to look like Palaces... (http://www.i-putra.com.my/sites/Site.cfm?id=21):rolleyes:

clfoo
25-11-2005, 08:32 PM
Sometimes, foreign leaders come over too. It's just like the White House.. you think WH takes RM 1 mil to renovate? Same goes to PM's house then.
if wanna gain respect from foreign leaders it is not thru showing off of their house but showing off their ppl serving record instead ... saddam did have a nice house didn't he?


Like I said earlier in my statement, 15 million is cheap for a PM's residence renovation. It's not like the 15 million is meant for Badawi's personal home... it's the Prime Minister's. This mean, the 15 million is meant for the current and future PM. They really deserver a luxury place to stay you know.
nope it's not for future PM, .. just not long ago that apa nama itu Dr.M can stayed there that means it's still in 'respected' condition, but bcos there is allocation for renovation for new PM and money to make now we r tearing down previous renovation and redo again ... so it's still a wastage ...


Unfortunately, there's a slowdown in world economy and *someone* need to boost up GDP. Thus there's this government projects here to save us.
how many/what type of persons can this renovation project saved? is it an open tender?


For a second thought, is it a must that every VIP need to stay in a posh mansion otherwise they can't serve effectively or lost face? -- just go visit Nik Aziz.

penangkia
25-11-2005, 11:34 PM
Lexus,

A wall of words ( your post) but I think you are still missing the point here? Spending by the gomen ( any gomen) is no secret formular to motivate a sluggish economic situation. The point is...spend prudently and try to stimulate economic activities. You may say 15 M is cheap, yes in the scale of things, but 15M for wasteful reno. also does nothing to spur up the economy, so why spend it at all.

You know how much each victim in Penang got when they loss almost everything in the tsunami...was told 3-5K, and really, there were not too many victims in Penang actually.

As for the PM and DPM needs to live in luxury, are they not already having that and more? You mean to tell us that TM was living in misery just a few years ago? You mean to tell us that the houses and offices need major reno. every couple of years despite the huge maintainence annual bill. You mean to tell us that the initial plans for building the "palace" did not provide for luxurious guest rooms and they need to build them only now?

You must also believe in fiction if you can believe that any PM can survive on less than 2-3 hour sleep every day and at same time endure a tight daily schedule. Even if that was the case, would'nt a top class bed and controlled air-conditioned room sufficiently provide one with a good snooze?

I would not even suggest any comparisons with the US or Japan..we are way off that league. Bush travel in a highly modified and customised 747, AirForce One. Hope you don't suggest that our PM should have that too.

Criticize the gomen? .Yes, and it will continue as long as they continue to screw up, even if it was only my opinion. They want my vote and tax my income, criticizms come along in a package deal.

Lexus
28-11-2005, 07:01 PM
The renovation is done because as a PM's official residence and a place for functions, it always need to look good and nice! It's not like your own residence where the *best* guest you have is your mother-in-law.

It's a national pride for god's sake. Even one little small hole can tarnish the image about how our country is. You don't get foreign ambassadors walking through Pudu that's why you don't see much being done there! However, official places are always full of maintainence and what is 6 years? Do you know what can happen in 6 years in a house? Maybe you don't notice it, but in 6 years, color start to fade, termites may appear and all the stuff like that.

Just put it this way...

It's a place full of pride and a place for foreign ambassadors to hangout with the PM at his crib. It's not your house because you don't always get foreign ambassadors (I don't think you'll ever anyway..) coming into your crib and hanging out aigh't?

By the way, recently I asked for a quatation for house painting for a size of 1800sq, they are charging me 8k. I also asked them how much to fix some new wall power sockets, they are charging me 4k for wiring, knocking out the wall and spreading it to my desired area.. That's 12k easily for my little crib. Go figure how big a PM's official residence is!

Ski
28-11-2005, 07:11 PM
Its a pity that Pak lah as to stay all by himself in this state of art Mansion unless his family joins him too.

penangkia
29-11-2005, 02:52 AM
Lexus,

You have the right to your opinions. But can you leave mother-in-law out of this ? Cheap shots like these sours the whole debate.

DatinLawa
29-11-2005, 09:12 AM
It's a national pride for god's sake. Even one little small hole can tarnish the image about how our country is. You don't get foreign ambassadors walking through Pudu that's why you don't see much being done there!

hahahaha... national pride?? what national pride are you talking about when you have a palace-like mansion for the PM and on the other hand the news of our "national forces" who supposed to safeguard the country instructing a woman doing ear-squating in naked, is all over the world?? you must be joking!

may be these 2 incidents are quite irrelevant in this debate, but can't help choking when i hear "national pride" lies in the house of the PM...

AhSenG
15-12-2005, 02:26 PM
Why the Heck is the squat issue here???? National pride? Attrocities are done everywhere, every god dang country in this world.. so every nation ain't got national pride? :confused:

Do not take national pride to easily, since you may have none. Have it in your conscience to consider where you're living right now. :mad:

Damn... since when did house reno. issues have anything to do with squats??? :eek:

And you guys, keep it positive will ya.. the reno.'s not any of you guys project or home.. so keep the firing to the one's you intend... i like the exchanges of ideas and info though... be cool...
:cool:
-PBB-

Lexus
15-12-2005, 06:28 PM
who supposed to safeguard the country instructing a woman doing ear-squating in naked, is all over the world?? you must be joking!

may be these 2 incidents are quite irrelevant in this debate,

You just said irrelevant, and it might eventually led to offtopic debation. I agree with what AhSeng said.

smoothead
15-12-2005, 09:34 PM
Renovations or no renovations, this is taxpayers money that has to be used wisely, not at the whims and fancies of some interested parties out to make a quick buck at the expense of all of us, in the guise of wanting foreigners to look up to us. I'd also like to renovate my house every few years or so, but, alas, I don't have the taxpayers money at my disposal! Cheeze!

DatinLawa
16-12-2005, 09:30 AM
Why the Heck is the squat issue here???? National pride? Attrocities are done everywhere, every god dang country in this world.. so every nation ain't got national pride? :confused:

Do not take national pride to easily, since you may have none. Have it in your conscience to consider where you're living right now. :mad:

Damn... since when did house reno. issues have anything to do with squats??? :eek:

And you guys, keep it positive will ya.. the reno.'s not any of you guys project or home.. so keep the firing to the one's you intend... i like the exchanges of ideas and info though... be cool...
:cool:
-PBB-

err... if ear-squat is something you dun wish to hear then drop it... and if you think using taxpayers money to renovate the pm's house SO THAT we gain national pride, then think again of what you said... if you dun contribute taxes, then it's not your problem... for those who contribute, we have the right to comment... but of coz, it only happens in developed countries for developed citizens...

my point again just in case you dun quite get, national pride DOES NOT lie in the house of the pm...


if wanna gain respect from foreign leaders it is not thru showing off of their house but showing off their ppl serving record instead ... saddam did have a nice house didn't he?

read what clfoo has to say... and give yourself a chance to think again...

do you know how much we can do with 15.8 mil?

Harmony
16-12-2005, 12:20 PM
Trust when the PM residence was built not too long time ago, it must have been carefully designed by the architechs and shouldn't need renovation so soon. If it's money from your own pockets, you'd be more prudent in your spending - I only renovated my house after staying > 10 years.......

Unfortunately, many Malaysians still accept being fooled with the term "Govt.'s money"; instead of tax-payers' money (read: our money - yours & mine!!)!!

Lexus
16-12-2005, 02:50 PM
Read my previous post. It's the official Prime Minister residence. Not only Pak Lah is going to stay there, but also our future prime minister.

As stated, if you read their biography, they only sleep 3-4 hours a day..and the decision make by our Prime Minister affect the whole Malaysians. One wrong decision may led to disastrous affect on Malaysia.

Do you see President Bush using his own money to renovate White House?

ghkok747
16-12-2005, 06:25 PM
Lexus,

I totally disagree with your views. You stated (in summary) :

1. it's the official residence of the PM, so the RM15 million renovation is justified.
2. we need to stimulate the economy, so spending RM15 million on renovating the PM's residence is one way of doing so.

In reply to (1), it is certainly NOT justified in spending that amount of money on renovating the PM's residence. In fact, the whole of Putrajaya itself was never justified, let alone renovating the PM's residence. The country is crying out for expenditure on improving transportation (more buses, more LRT lines, better roads), improving policing (more patrol cars, better trained personnel), improving health care (better public hospitals, etc), improving education (single session schools, better-paid teachers), etc. Spending RM15 million on renovating the PM's residence is definitely NOT justified.
Responding to (2), government spending is only one way of stimulating the economy. The other way is to cut taxes, both personal and corporate tax. If govt spending is preferred, the expenditure must be targetted at projects that bring multiple long-term benefits - not "one shot" benefits. Renovating the PM's house is "one shot" - the contractor benefits (plus some politicians perhaps), then once the job is done, it ends there. No residual benefits to the economy. If you spend the RM15 million on, say building 10 schools, you get the one-shot benefit during contruction, AND you get the benefit of producing thousands of schooled students every year, who become productive (hopefully) workers when they enter the workforce. If you spend the RM15 million on, say a bio-diesel plant, you get the one-shot benefit during the construction of the plant itself, then you get follow-on benefit to the economy by exporting the bio-diesel, generating jobs for the workers and all those along the value chain, through the years. Those are simple examples, but as you can see, spending RM15million on renovating the PM's residence is the stupidest way to stimulate the economy. Much like spending RM1 billion on the Commonwealth Games Village, which gave a "one shot" benefit to the construction industry but today stands empty and unused, generating absolutely no economic activity. If the govt had spent that RM1billion on, say funding the furniture industry, then perhaps the industry would expand exponentially .. building more factories, upgrading technology, providing thousands of jobs, gaining foreign exchange through exports, stimulating more demand for rubber wood which in turn stimulates the rubber plantation industry .. which in turn increases the income for hundreds of thousands of workers. AND we wouldnt be in the out-of-control situation today of so much snatch theft, car thefts, break-ins, bank robberies, murders. I'm exaggerating a bit, but life is indeed hard for the lower income in Msia today, so if money is to be spent to "stimulate the economy", you better make sure that EVERY SEN filters down to those you intend it for.

USJ27Resident
18-12-2005, 01:35 AM
.....For a second thought, is it a must that every VIP need to stay in a posh mansion otherwise they can't serve effectively or lost face? -- just go visit Nik Aziz.

I may not like his view of mixing religion with politics but I can admire the manner he lives his life as an MP... modest, humble and never never flashy... no brand new AP procured Merc in the driveway! :p If all the other MPs were to have to live the way he lives... damn! we'll have to beg, borrow and "bribe?" people to be MPs man!!

Wishful thinking... wishful thinking... :p